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Marc

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Sep 28, 2001, 11:39:28 AM9/28/01
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Which is correct and why?

A may act independently of B.
Or
A may act independent of B.


Jamie Webb

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Sep 28, 2001, 12:59:16 PM9/28/01
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"Marc" <marc...@obongo.com> wrote in message
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> Which is correct and why?

As usual, both are correct.

> A may act independently of B.

`Independently' is an adverb. It describes how A may act: in this case it is
without dependence on B.
Compare to: `A may act foolishly', i.e. `A's behaviour may be foolish'

> A may act independent of B.

`Independent' is an adjective. It describes A, however in this case A may
only act that way, and may not be independent in truth.
Compare to: `A may act foolish', i.e. `A may pretend to be foolish'.

A related phrase is: `A may act, independent of B'. Here, the noun described
by `independent' is not A, but `the fact that A may act'. The phrase is
therefore equivalent to 'A may act, whether or not B
agrees/happens/whatever'.

-- Jamie Webb


Steve Hayes

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Sep 29, 2001, 5:52:14 AM9/29/01
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A is correct, because "independently" is an adverb modifying "act", which here
is a verb.

B is incorrect because independent is an adjective, and there is no noun that
it qualifies.

You could, however, say "A's act was independent of B's."

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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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Mark Brader

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Sep 29, 2001, 1:02:10 PM9/29/01
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"Marc" asked about:

>> A may act independently of B.
>> A may act independent of B.

Steve Hayes writes:
> [The second one] is incorrect because independent is an adjective,

> and there is no noun that it qualifies.

No, there is "A". Both are correct.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "...and if sooner or later your revels must be ended,
m...@vex.net | well, at least you reveled." --Roger Ebert

Steve Hayes

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Sep 30, 2001, 2:04:26 AM9/30/01
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:02:10 +0000 (UTC), m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

>"Marc" asked about:
>>> A may act independently of B.
>>> A may act independent of B.
>
>Steve Hayes writes:
>> [The second one] is incorrect because independent is an adjective,
>> and there is no noun that it qualifies.
>
>No, there is "A". Both are correct.

Then I don't understand the sentence at all.

If "independent" is an adjective qualifying A, then it means "Independent A
may act of B".

What's that supposed to mean?

John Holmes

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Oct 1, 2001, 3:57:04 AM10/1/01
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"Steve Hayes" <haye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:02:10 +0000 (UTC), m...@vex.net (Mark Brader)
wrote:
>
> >"Marc" asked about:
> >>> A may act independently of B.
> >>> A may act independent of B.
> >
> >Steve Hayes writes:
> >> [The second one] is incorrect because independent is an adjective,
> >> and there is no noun that it qualifies.
> >
> >No, there is "A". Both are correct.
>
> Then I don't understand the sentence at all.
>
> If "independent" is an adjective qualifying A, then it means
"Independent A
> may act of B".
>
> What's that supposed to mean?

The only sense I can make of the second sentence is that A is dependent
on B, but is feigning independence. It does not mean the same as the
first sentence.

--
Regards
John

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