What word for female "dandy" or "fop"?
Stuart Leichter
Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy" or a "fop"?
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John Bailin
In <sleichte-260...@wheat-095.nb.net>, slei...@nb.net (Stuart
Leichter) wrote:
>Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy" or a "fop"?
The closest I can come is fashion plate. Or clotheshorse. How about
coining Belle Brummelle?
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Derek Suchard
John Bailin wrote:
> "Anyone who isn't confused here doesn't
and therefore, is confused, eh, wot?
djs
Truly Donovan
Stuart Leichter wrote:
>
> Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy" or a "fop"?
Clotheshorse?
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Joe Wortham
jba...@nospam.cris.com (John Bailin) wrote:
>
> In <sleichte-260...@wheat-095.nb.net>, slei...@nb.net (Stuart
>
> >Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy" or a "fop"?
>
> coining Belle Brummelle?
>
>
> John Bailin | "Anyone who isn't confused here doesn't
At the turn of the century, the term "simpering" was used to describe
both men and women who through their dress and actions lacked, shall
we say, the social graces.
"I have seen men at the summer watering-places, through fashion the
mere wreck of what they once were. Sallow of check. Meager of limb.
Hollow at the chest. Showing no animation save in rushing across a
room to pick up a lady's fan. Simpering along corridors, the same
compliments thaey simpered twenty years ago. ... Fashion not only
destroys the body, but it makes idiotic the intellect."
From Social Dynamite (or the Wickedness of Modern Society) by T. Dewitt
Talmage, pp257. Published by Standard Publishing Company in 1887.
William Cowper Brann also used the term to describe women and their
dress during the Trilby craze which was rampant following publication
of Du Maurier's book, "Coin'sFinancial School".
joe w
Anandashankar Mazumdar
In article <sleichte-260...@wheat-095.nb.net>,
slei...@nb.net (Stuart Leichter) wrote:
>
> Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy" or a "fop"?
I've heard "fashion victim," although I believe that different people
have used it to mean different things.
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Chris Perrott
> > Leichter) wrote:
> >
> > >Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy" or a "fop"?
> >
> > coining Belle Brummelle?
> >
> >
> > John Bailin | "Anyone who isn't confused here doesn't
> > jbailin at cris dot com | really understand what is going on."
>
> At the turn of the century, the term "simpering" was used to describe
> both men and women who through their dress and actions lacked, shall
> we say, the social graces.
>
To smile in a silly or self-conscious manner.
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Chris Perrott
David Casseres
In article <33154A...@lunemere.com>, Truly Donovan
<tr...@lunemere.com> wrote:
> Stuart Leichter wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy"
or a "fop"?
>
> Clotheshorse?
Or "fashion plate"?
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In <33186F...@flash.net>, "Ronald D. Cuthbertson" <inm...@flash.net> writes:
>David Casseres wrote:
>>
>> In article <33154A...@lunemere.com>, Truly Donovan
>> <tr...@lunemere.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Stuart Leichter wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy"
>> or a "fop"?
>> >
>> > Clotheshorse?
>>
>> Or "fashion plate"?
>
>strut?
There really isn't one. Women tend to be far more concerned with
clothes and fasion than men. Men who are overly concerned with such
things are an abberation and get a term to designate them.
Edmond Dantes
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joy beeson
eda...@cts.com wrote:
>In <33186F...@flash.net>, "Ronald D. Cuthbertson" <inm...@flash.net> writes:
>>David Casseres wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <33154A...@lunemere.com>, Truly Donovan
>>> <tr...@lunemere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Stuart Leichter wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy"
>>> or a "fop"?
[snip]
>There really isn't one. Women tend to be far more concerned with
>clothes and fasion than men. Men who are overly concerned with such
>things are an abberation and get a term to designate them.
We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
at the moment. Except "dowdy", and we're wanting a noun.
Joy Beeson
Remove the "x" from my e-mall address and replace it with my first
initial.
Anandashankar Mazumdar
In article <5ffov4$q...@news.global2000.net>,
xbe...@global2000.net (joy beeson) wrote:
> We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
> dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
> at the moment. Except "dowdy", and we're wanting a noun.
Frump?
By the way, I have another synonym for "dandy" -- popinjay. And perhaps
another -- "Beau Brummel." I have to admit, though, that I'm just
guessing on the meaning of "Beau Brummel."
Truly Donovan
joy beeson wrote:
>
> eda...@cts.com wrote:
>
> >In <33186F...@flash.net>, "Ronald D. Cuthbertson" <inm...@flash.net> writes:
> >>David Casseres wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In article <33154A...@lunemere.com>, Truly Donovan
> >>> <tr...@lunemere.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Stuart Leichter wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Anyone know if there's a word for the female equivalent of a "dandy"
> >>> or a "fop"?
>
> [snip]
>
> >There really isn't one.
Now here's an interesting approach. My name is cited, but my content,
which contained an answer to the question, was snipped and then followed
with the statement that there is no answer to the question.
If you are disagreeing that "clotheshorse" is an answer to the question,
why don't you simply say so.
Geoff Butler
In article <5ffov4$q...@news.global2000.net>, joy beeson
<xbe...@global2000.net> writes
>
>We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
>dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
>at the moment. Except "dowdy", and we're wanting a noun.
>
At the risk of seeming blatant, what about 'dowd'?
-ler
John Bailin
In <5ffov4$q...@news.global2000.net>, xbe...@global2000.net (joy beeson)
wrote:
>We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
>dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
>at the moment. Except "dowdy", and we're wanting a noun.
In fact, we're well equipped with just such a noun: Dowdy. Yep. You can
look it up! Ain't that dandy?
Byrnesp
"Trophy wife" has connotations and specific meaning other than "fop," but
probably has enough overlap to merit some comment within this thread.
Pat
(byr...@aol.com)
JUDITH FRANCE
How about frump for a female who is not a "dandy" or "fop"?
~True, I talk of dreams.~ Judy
Dave Moorman
"Clothes horse"?
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J. Edward Sanchez
Geoff Butler <ge...@gbutler.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <5ffov4$q...@news.global2000.net>, joy beeson
><xbe...@global2000.net> writes
>>
>>We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
>>dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
>>at the moment. Except "dowdy", and we're wanting a noun.
>>
>
>At the risk of seeming blatant, what about 'dowd'?
Stop being such a blat.
Edward
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Mike Moya
How about JAP (jewish american princess) or some variant?
Lee Rudolph
dm...@mail.hq.nasa.gov (Mike Moya) writes:
>
>
>
>
>How about JAP (jewish american princess) or some variant?
Like SAP (stupid American piglet)?
Lee Rudolph
Arbaonwsas
je...@lightlink.com (J. Edward Sanchez) said:
>Geoff Butler <ge...@gbutler.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <5ffov4$q...@news.global2000.net>, joy beeson
>><xbe...@global2000.net> writes
>>>
>>>We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
>>>dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
>>>at the moment. Except "dowdy", and we're wanting a noun.
Frump.
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J. Edward Sanchez
bitb...@oblivion.xxx (Arbaonwsas) wrote:
>je...@lightlink.com (J. Edward Sanchez) said:
>
>>Geoff Butler <ge...@gbutler.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <5ffov4$q...@news.global2000.net>, joy beeson
>>><xbe...@global2000.net> writes
>>>>
>>>>We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
>>>>dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
>>>>at the moment. Except "dowdy", and we're wanting a noun.
>
>Frump.
Please be more careful with your attributions. I didn't write any of
the above text.
arbaonwsas
je...@lightlink.com (J. Edward Sanchez) said:
>bitb...@oblivion.xxx (Arbaonwsas) wrote:
>
>>je...@lightlink.com (J. Edward Sanchez) said:
>>
>>>Geoff Butler <ge...@gbutler.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <5ffov4$q...@news.global2000.net>, joy beeson
>>>><xbe...@global2000.net> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
>>>>>dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
>>>>>at the moment. Except "dowdy", and we're wanting a noun.
>>
>>Frump.
>
>Please be more careful with your attributions. I didn't write any of
>the above text.
>
>Edward
>
Ah, but you did. You were the one who said that Geoff Butler said what
you said he said, which was only that Joy Beeson said what you said
Geoff Butler said she said.
I had no firsthand knowledge that Geoff Butler or Joy Beeson said those
things (although I hardly doubt that they did). The only knowledge I
had was that you reported that those things were said. It would have
been remiss of me to fail to give your name as a source for that report.
I realize that I didn't quote any contribution you made to the
discussion per se, interesting though it was. That was only because I
wanted to respond only to Joy Beeson's remark, and I was too lazy to go
back and dig up her posting from my archives.
My attribution was faultless, and if a similar occasion arises again I
will handle it the same way.
Joe Wortham
Nothing in Webster's Dictionary of Synonyms suggest that fop could not
be used to describe a female as well as male.
"Fop (etymologically , a fool) was early applied to a person who made
a foolish pretense of wit, learning, skill, or the like, but this
sense yielded to one still earlier in its origin, with the result that
fop is now applied to a person who is preposterously concerned with
fashionableness, elegance, and refinement, not only in respect to
dress and manners but in respect to anything, such as literary or
artistic taste, that marks the cortier or gentleman of a polite age
such as prevailed in England between 1688 and 1750 ..."
I suppose today, in the United States, we could substitute FOB for fop.
joe w
Laurel Swartz
Joe Wortham <jwor...@sunflowr.usd.edu> wrote in article
<5gh8sg$f...@sunbird.usd.edu>...
> Nothing in Webster's Dictionary of Synonyms suggest that fop could not
> be used to describe a female as well as male.
>
> "Fop (etymologically , a fool) was early applied to a person who made
> a foolish pretense of wit, learning, skill, or the like... <snip>
Nowadays such a person is called a bof.
Laurel
Mary F. Heath
Arbaonwsas wrote:
>
> je...@lightlink.com (J. Edward Sanchez) said:
>
> >Geoff Butler <ge...@gbutler.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <5ffov4$q...@news.global2000.net>, joy beeson
> >><xbe...@global2000.net> writes
> >>>
> >>>We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
> >>>dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
> >>>at the moment.
It seems to me that setting the task of finding pejoratives for women is
about as challenging as being in a meadow and trying to find
blades of grass.
m.h.
Geoff Butler
>>
>>>je...@lightlink.com (J. Edward Sanchez) said:
>>>
>>>>Geoff Butler <ge...@gbutler.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <5ffov4$q...@news.global2000.net>, joy beeson
>>>>><xbe...@global2000.net> writes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We do, however, have a great many nasty words for women who aren't
>>>>>>dandies and fops. Perhaps for freudian reasons, I can't think of any
>>>
>>>Frump.
>>
>>Please be more careful with your attributions. I didn't write any of
>>the above text.
>>
>>Edward
>>
>Ah, but you did. You were the one who said that Geoff Butler said what
>you said he said, which was only that Joy Beeson said what you said
>Geoff Butler said she said.
>
>I had no firsthand knowledge that Geoff Butler or Joy Beeson said those
>things (although I hardly doubt that they did). The only knowledge I
>had was that you reported that those things were said. It would have
>been remiss of me to fail to give your name as a source for that report.
>
>I realize that I didn't quote any contribution you made to the
>discussion per se, interesting though it was. That was only because I
>wanted to respond only to Joy Beeson's remark, and I was too lazy to go
>back and dig up her posting from my archives.
>
>My attribution was faultless, and if a similar occasion arises again I
>will handle it the same way.
I normally snip what I cite, because two screens of red text is usually
enough to put anyone off bothering to read the reply. But.
What I and others actually said has been snup, as can be seen from the
discontinuity as the >> level decreases. Somebody wanted to reply to Joy
Beeson but replied to a post with two further levels of reply, and
snipped those two levels without snipping the names os the snippees.
Pure laziness. In this case it only causes confusion, but it has been
know to offend people who appear to have words with which they strongly
disagree put into their fingertips. It's happened to me and it's
infuriating.
For the record, what I said, in one less straightforward line, was "The
noun from dowdy is 'dowd'.".
[Four trailing punctuation marks to beat. Ellipses don't count.]
-ler
Aaron J. Dinkin
In article <h9LeQDA$NbLz...@gbutler.demon.co.uk>, Geoff Butler
<Ge...@gbutler.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>For the record, what I said, in one less straightforward line, was "The
>noun from dowdy is 'dowd'.".
>
>[Four trailing punctuation marks to beat. Ellipses don't count.]
I can't believe you're inviting this kind of petty one-upmanship. Really,
"[Four trailing punctuation marks to beat....]"? How bored do you think we
are?
(The three-dot ellipsis counts as a _single_ mark and is followed by a
period. And is it legitimate to double periods as you did, thus:
"'"dowd".'."?)
And what did you bring that book that I don't want to be read to from out
of about Down Under up for?
-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom
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Quoting GeoffButler<geoff from a message in alt.usage.english
>For the record, what I said, in one less straightforward line, was "The
>noun from dowdy is 'dowd'.".
>[Four trailing punctuation marks to beat. Ellipses don't count.]
Are you the one who said "he asked 'Who was it who said
"Let there be light."?'."?
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> dandyess / dandizette is a female Dandy