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micky

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Nov 14, 2016, 6:36:53 PM11/14/16
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I'm looking for a partial list of commercial merchandise whose name ends
in sol or -sol.

So far I've thought of Lysol and Pine-sol.

I'm also curious if the sol is meant to refer to the sun or to a
solvent, perhaps one that lifts dirt up and allows it to be removed. Or
some 3rd meaning?


Words like parasol are interesting but they arose "naturally" and
weren't coined by a businessman. (In fact parasol wasn't even
coined. It's just the Spanish words para and sol smushed together.
Okay, maybe I'm wrong: The dictionary says 1610-20; < French, Middle
French < Italian parasole. See para-2, Sol

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Peter Moylan

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Nov 14, 2016, 8:30:12 PM11/14/16
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On 2016-Nov-15 10:36, micky wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a partial list of commercial merchandise whose name ends
> in sol or -sol.
>
> So far I've thought of Lysol and Pine-sol.

Arsol.

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Tony Cooper

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Nov 14, 2016, 8:49:30 PM11/14/16
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:30:09 +1100, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 2016-Nov-15 10:36, micky wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for a partial list of commercial merchandise whose name ends
>> in sol or -sol.
>>
>> So far I've thought of Lysol and Pine-sol.
>
>Arsol

Is that an aerosol spray product?


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RH Draney

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Nov 14, 2016, 11:18:24 PM11/14/16
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There's Anusol for hemorrhoids, and Anbesol for toothache (which can
also be used, sparingly!, for really nasty cases of the former)....r

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

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Nov 15, 2016, 5:46:45 AM11/15/16
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:36:51 -0500, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>
>I'm looking for a partial list of commercial merchandise whose name ends
>in sol or -sol.
>
>So far I've thought of Lysol and Pine-sol.
>
>I'm also curious if the sol is meant to refer to the sun or to a
>solvent, perhaps one that lifts dirt up and allows it to be removed. Or
>some 3rd meaning?
>
My impression is that the -sol suffix is short for "solution"; the
product is liquid.

The scientific word "sol" is in the OED:

sol, n.6
Etymology: Originally a suffix < the first syllable of solution n.
(as in alcosol n., hydrosol n.).

Physical Chem.
A liquid solution or suspension of a colloid. Cf. gel n.2

1899 W. B. Hardy in Jrnl. Physiol. XXIV. 164 Graham's
nomenclature is as follows: The fluid state, colloidal solution,
is the ‘sol’, the solid state the ‘gel’. The fluid constituent is
indicated by a prefix. Thus an aqueous solution of gelatine is a
‘hydrosol’, and on setting it becomes a ‘hydrogel’.

That quotation refers to "sol" (and "gel") as a "prefix" when in the
example given it is a suffix.

It seems, from the OED, that the word "prefix" was in use before the
word "suffix" came into use.

>
>Words like parasol are interesting but they arose "naturally" and
>weren't coined by a businessman. (In fact parasol wasn't even
>coined. It's just the Spanish words para and sol smushed together.
>Okay, maybe I'm wrong: The dictionary says 1610-20; < French, Middle
>French < Italian parasole. See para-2, Sol

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bert

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Nov 15, 2016, 6:49:22 AM11/15/16
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On Monday, 14 November 2016 23:36:53 UTC, micky wrote:
> I'm looking for a partial list of commercial
> merchandise whose name ends> in sol or -sol.

Here in the UK, garages sell 'Autosol', a large
tube of white paste to clean tarnishing and
light rusting from chromium plating or from
other bright metal surfaces. It stinks, but it
works much better than cheaper metal polishes.
--


CDB

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Nov 15, 2016, 7:47:57 AM11/15/16
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On 11/14/2016 8:30 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> micky wrote:

>> I'm looking for a partial list of commercial merchandise whose
>> name ends in sol or -sol.

>> So far I've thought of Lysol and Pine-sol.

The "suffix" in "Lysol" is "-ol". Maybe it was sold as an oil that
dissolves dirt or germs, or maybe they wanted you to think of "lye soap".

The makers of the other product wanted you to think of Lysol with a
fresh piney scent.

> Arsol.

Is that, like, a local brand (o sole nostra), or were you feeling impatient?


RH Draney

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Nov 15, 2016, 8:22:01 AM11/15/16
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Just realized I had another in my bathroom until about two days
ago...Barbasol, a brand of shaving foam....r

Horace LaBadie

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Nov 15, 2016, 8:49:11 AM11/15/16
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In article <o0f24...@news4.newsguy.com>, RH Draney <dado...@cox.net>
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Which came in an aerosol can.

Peter Moylan

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Nov 15, 2016, 4:22:38 PM11/15/16
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It depends on what you've been eating.

micky

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Nov 15, 2016, 6:00:32 PM11/15/16
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In alt.usage.english, on Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:49:10 -0500, Horace LaBadie
Oh, yeah. I had a can of Barbasol for 10 years after I grew a beard.

I think I still have a can of Edge Shaving Gel that they gave me for
free when I took a tour of the Johnson Wax HQ or factory in Racine
Wisconsin in 1970. I haven't tried it for 20 years but it was still
good in 1996. Darn, they're both gone.

I'ts an interesting place. The office building is designed to look like
a bottle of wax.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._C._Johnson_%26_Son

Of course it's not as interesting as the office building near Columbus
Ohio, for a company that made picnic baskets, that looks like a picnic
basket, including the woven wood slats and the bent-slat handles. IIRC
the building cost more to build than they got for it when they sold it.

>Which came in an aerosol can.

I think you're right, that's where the -sol came from.

micky

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Nov 15, 2016, 6:02:01 PM11/15/16
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In alt.usage.english, on Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:47:54 -0500, CDB
<belle...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/14/2016 8:30 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> micky wrote:
>
>>> I'm looking for a partial list of commercial merchandise whose
>>> name ends in sol or -sol.
>
>>> So far I've thought of Lysol and Pine-sol.
>
>The "suffix" in "Lysol" is "-ol". Maybe it was sold as an oil that
>dissolves dirt or germs, or maybe they wanted you to think of "lye soap".

Oh, I get it!
>
>The makers of the other product wanted you to think of Lysol with a
>fresh piney scent.

Just read last night that pine oil became too expensive and they took it
out a couple years ago, and it doesn't smell like pine anymore.

I would have thought they could use "natural and artificial pine
smell."

>> Arsol.
>
>Is that, like, a local brand (o sole nostra), or were you feeling impatient?
>


micky

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Nov 15, 2016, 6:04:41 PM11/15/16
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In alt.usage.english, on Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:46:42 +0000, "Peter
Duncanson [BrE]" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:36:51 -0500, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm looking for a partial list of commercial merchandise whose name ends
>>in sol or -sol.
>>
>>So far I've thought of Lysol and Pine-sol.
>>
>>I'm also curious if the sol is meant to refer to the sun or to a
>>solvent, perhaps one that lifts dirt up and allows it to be removed. Or
>>some 3rd meaning?
>>
>My impression is that the -sol suffix is short for "solution"; the
>product is liquid.
>
>The scientific word "sol" is in the OED:
>
> sol, n.6
> Etymology: Originally a suffix < the first syllable of solution n.
> (as in alcosol n., hydrosol n.).
>
> Physical Chem.
> A liquid solution or suspension of a colloid. Cf. gel n.2
>
> 1899 W. B. Hardy in Jrnl. Physiol. XXIV. 164 Graham's
> nomenclature is as follows: The fluid state, colloidal solution,
> is the ‘sol’, the solid state the ‘gel’. The fluid constituent is
> indicated by a prefix. Thus an aqueous solution of gelatine is a
> ‘hydrosol’, and on setting it becomes a ‘hydrogel’.
>
>That quotation refers to "sol" (and "gel") as a "prefix" when in the
>example given it is a suffix.

I reed it as saying that the fluid constituent, water, for example, is
indicated by a prefix, hydro- in the case at hand. So it is a prefix.
>
>It seems, from the OED, that the word "prefix" was in use before the
>word "suffix" came into use.

Maybe so, but another topic.

>>
>>Words like parasol are interesting but they arose "naturally" and
>>weren't coined by a businessman. (In fact parasol wasn't even
>>coined. It's just the Spanish words para and sol smushed together.
>>Okay, maybe I'm wrong: The dictionary says 1610-20; < French, Middle
>>French < Italian parasole. See para-2, Sol


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Peter T. Daniels

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Nov 15, 2016, 11:39:51 PM11/15/16
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On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 6:00:32 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:

> I think I still have a can of Edge Shaving Gel that they gave me for
> free when I took a tour of the Johnson Wax HQ or factory in Racine
> Wisconsin in 1970. I haven't tried it for 20 years but it was still
> good in 1996. Darn, they're both gone.
>
> I'ts an interesting place. The office building is designed to look like
> a bottle of wax.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._C._Johnson_%26_Son

You think Wright's Johnson Wax building looks like a bottle of wax???

Maybe you mean the tower. In fact he finally got to build that tower
that he had been proposing for various sites for decades.

Mark Brader

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Nov 16, 2016, 2:56:32 AM11/16/16
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"Micky":
> Of course it's not as interesting as the office building near Columbus
> Ohio, for a company that made picnic baskets, that looks like a picnic
> basket...

The company still makes baskets, although they're no longer headquartered
in that building. See:

http://www.longaberger.com
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36797849

> IIRC the building cost more to build than they got for it when they sold it.

If they even did sell it. See:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-07/selling-a-5-million-seven-story-basket-is-no-picnic
http://www.curbed.com/2016/9/13/12903914/longaberger-basket-company-building-headquarters-sale

Sad.
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:04:38 -0500, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
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Ah yes. You are right.

micky

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Nov 16, 2016, 3:10:24 PM11/16/16
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In alt.usage.english, on Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:39:49 -0800 (PST), "Peter
The tower near the top of the url above, and in the center below,
"Johnson Wax Headquarters, ... the world headquarters and administration
building" has been there since 1970 when I was there. I see it was
finished in 1939, designed by Frank Lloyd Wright.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/SC+Johnson+Golden+Rondelle/@42.7150465,-87.7916116,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbIzu9cYEwBBTlZOAEP1Egw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DbIzu9cYEwBBTlZOAEP1Egw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D114.377014%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8805436e05be9fc5:0x98f2e62ba88b33c9!8m2!3d42.71522!4d-87.7907288?hl=en

micky

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Nov 16, 2016, 3:33:58 PM11/16/16
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In alt.usage.english, on Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:56:25 -0600, m...@vex.net
(Mark Brader) wrote:

>"Micky":
>> Of course it's not as interesting as the office building near Columbus
>> Ohio, for a company that made picnic baskets, that looks like a picnic
>> basket...
>
>The company still makes baskets, although they're no longer headquartered
>in that building. See:
>
>http://www.longaberger.com

Wow. This picture shows it full of apples and parts of apples. I didn't
see that in the other views. Maybe it's seasonal.
Yeah, I saw one or both of these two before, and no fruit on top of the
building!

>Sad.

Peter T. Daniels

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Nov 16, 2016, 5:07:55 PM11/16/16
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On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 3:10:24 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
> In alt.usage.english, on Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:39:49 -0800 (PST), "Peter
> T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 6:00:32 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
> >
> >> I think I still have a can of Edge Shaving Gel that they gave me for
> >> free when I took a tour of the Johnson Wax HQ or factory in Racine
> >> Wisconsin in 1970. I haven't tried it for 20 years but it was still
> >> good in 1996. Darn, they're both gone.
> >>
> >> I'ts an interesting place. The office building is designed to look like
> >> a bottle of wax.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._C._Johnson_%26_Son
> >
> >You think Wright's Johnson Wax building looks like a bottle of wax???
> >
> >Maybe you mean the tower. In fact he finally got to build that tower
> >that he had been proposing for various sites for decades.
>
> The tower near the top of the url above, and in the center below,
> "Johnson Wax Headquarters, ... the world headquarters and administration
> building" has been there since 1970 when I was there. I see it was
> finished in 1939, designed by Frank Lloyd Wright.

And any imagined resemblance to a bottle of wax is strictly imaginary.

BTW the tower is essentially deserted. Like many of Wright's most
innovative designs, it proved rather impractical in use. Or rather,
the research chemists who were supposed to use the laboratories chose
not to alter their procedures in order to fit Wright's view of how
research chemistry ought to be done.

In the low office building, which is far more celebrated and far more
justly so, the biggest problem was the three-legged secretaries' chairs,
which tended to tip over when people sat on them. A whole desk suite,
with chair and storage, is on permanent display at the Museum of Modern
Art design galleries, and I think I also saw a set at the modern art
museum in Munich.

> https://www.google.com/maps/place/SC+Johnson+Golden+Rondelle/@42.7150465,-87.7916116,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbIzu9cYEwBBTlZOAEP1Egw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DbIzu9cYEwBBTlZOAEP1Egw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D114.377014%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8805436e05be9fc5:0x98f2e62ba88b33c9!8m2!3d42.71522!4d-87.7907288?hl=en

bill van

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Nov 16, 2016, 7:39:14 PM11/16/16
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In article <mefp2c57ialf2kvv1...@4ax.com>,
micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> In alt.usage.english, on Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:56:25 -0600, m...@vex.net
> (Mark Brader) wrote:
>
> >"Micky":
> >> Of course it's not as interesting as the office building near Columbus
> >> Ohio, for a company that made picnic baskets, that looks like a picnic
> >> basket...
> >
> >The company still makes baskets, although they're no longer headquartered
> >in that building. See:
> >
> >http://www.longaberger.com
>
> Wow. This picture shows it full of apples and parts of apples. I didn't
> see that in the other views. Maybe it's seasonal.
>
> >http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36797849
> >
> >> IIRC the building cost more to build than they got for it when they sold
> >> it.
> >
> >If they even did sell it. See:
> >
> >http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-07/selling-a-5-million-seven-s
> >tory-basket-is-no-picnic
> >http://www.curbed.com/2016/9/13/12903914/longaberger-basket-company-building-
> >headquarters-sale
>
> Yeah, I saw one or both of these two before, and no fruit on top of the
> building!
>
> >Sad.

Sad indeed. Not even the Carmen Miranda Museum building has fruit on the
roof.
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bill

Mark Brader

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"Micky":
>>> Of course it's not as interesting as the office building near Columbus
>>> Ohio, for a company that made picnic baskets, that looks like a picnic
>>> basket...

Mark Brader:
>> The company still makes baskets, although they're no longer headquartered
>> in that building. See:
>>
>> http://www.longaberger.com

"Micky":
> Wow. This picture shows it full of apples and parts of apples. I didn't
> see that in the other views. Maybe it's seasonal.

Huh? Oh, you mean the "Longaberger Homestead" photo down at the bottom
of the page. Look at the hedges for scale -- that thing's not a full-size
office building like their old headquarters. It might be the size of a
cottage, but no larger. Here's another photo of *that* structure, giving
a better idea of the scale:

http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/30/1a/b9/301ab991bd96c0a88c2fedf7a62c1fcc.jpg

>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36797849

See, the old headquarters building is a different shape.
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J. J. Lodder

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Nov 17, 2016, 8:06:25 AM11/17/16
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micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for a partial list of commercial merchandise whose name ends
> in sol or -sol.
>
> So far I've thought of Lysol and Pine-sol.
>
> I'm also curious if the sol is meant to refer to the sun or to a
> solvent, perhaps one that lifts dirt up and allows it to be removed. Or
> some 3rd meaning?

Etymology: from German,
Lysol (aus dem Griechischen 'Lyo' für Auflösen und Latein 'Oleum' für
Öl)
The 'sol' part has nothing to do with solvent,

Jan

micky

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Nov 17, 2016, 4:33:53 PM11/17/16
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In alt.usage.english, on Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:21:57 -0600, m...@vex.net
(Mark Brader) wrote:

>"Micky":
>>>> Of course it's not as interesting as the office building near Columbus
>>>> Ohio, for a company that made picnic baskets, that looks like a picnic
>>>> basket...
>
>Mark Brader:
>>> The company still makes baskets, although they're no longer headquartered
>>> in that building. See:
>>>
>>> http://www.longaberger.com
>
>"Micky":
>> Wow. This picture shows it full of apples and parts of apples. I didn't
>> see that in the other views. Maybe it's seasonal.
>
>Huh? Oh, you mean the "Longaberger Homestead" photo down at the bottom
>of the page. Look at the hedges for scale -- that thing's not a full-size

I saw them. I figured they were 8' hedges. My own hedge keeps growing
that tall and I don't know how to shorten it without making it look
raggedy . The 4' fence in the background looked far away

But your picture below convinces me.

>office building like their old headquarters. It might be the size of a
>cottage, but no larger. Here's another photo of *that* structure, giving
>a better idea of the scale:
>
> http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/30/1a/b9/301ab991bd96c0a88c2fedf7a62c1fcc.jpg

Yeah, this one has people in front of it, and they're probably not 30'
people or 10' tulips.

>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36797849
>
>See, the old headquarters building is a different shape.

If I go to indianapolis, I hav to go through Columbus. Maybe I'll stop
and take a picture.
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