pipe in

[Masa]

Let me ask a question about the following sentence from a novel.

Then he(attorney) pipes in. 'Your honor, we'd like to renew our motion.'

(S.Martini)
context: in a courtroom
question: about "pipe in". I searched for its meaning and examples in dictionaries, but found none. Context let me guess that it's similar to "butt in".
Not just speak in a calm voice, it must be "speak loudly" when he pipes, I guess.

[tony cooper]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT), Masa <aut...@infoseek.jp>
wrote:

Please...can you set your line width to about 72 characters? Some
newsreaders may adjust, but Agent - at least - doesn't and this means
scrolling to read the entire line.

"Pipe in" has nothing to do with the volume or tone of the speaker.
It just means "to interject a comment". It usually describes someone
who has not been part of the conversation, but has interjected some
comment.

It doesn't have a "butt in" connotation. Imagine that you and your
wife are having a conversation about what to have for dinner, and your
son - who is sitting nearby but has not been part of the conversation
- suggests something. You might say he "piped in" with the comment
without meaning he was loud or that he was rudely butting in.



--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Leslie Danks]

Masa wrote:

The usual phrase is "pipes up", which implies interjecting a remark more or
less unexpectedly. It might be butting in, as you suggest, or it might be
taking advantage of a pause or period of silence.

--
Les
(BrE)

[Pat Durkin]

"Masa" <aut...@infoseek.jp> wrote in message
news:cdc27bb1-6ec3-4fe0...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...

I have only heard "pipes up", which is synonymous with "speaks
up(makes oneself heard)".
A previously quiet member of a conversation or group suddenly enters
the conversation, frequently with a memorable comment, or perhaps
adding a new direction. To me, this is the sense used by the author
about the attorney.

Dictionary.com"
27.
pipe down, Slang . to stop talking; be quiet: He shouted at us to pipe
down.

28.
pipe up,
a.
to begin to play (a musical instrument) or to sing.

b.
to make oneself heard; speak up, especially as to assert oneself.

c.
to increase in velocity, as the wind.

[Masa]

"pipe up" seems to have something to do with "volume of voice".
Whey you pipe up, it must be you speak loudly.
And it has less connotation of "break into a conversation" than "pipe in".

What do you say?

[Bob Lieblich]

I say that "pipe in" is alien to me in this context. The only meaning
I attach to "pipe in" has to do with the transmission of music or
other sound (e.g., a speech) from one place to another by electronic
means. The people located where the sound arrives can say it's been
piped in.

I think "pipe in" in the context set forth by the OP is a slip of the
pen, i.e., an error.

--
Bob Lieblich
Whose pen is as slippery as the next person's

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:44:28 -0700 (PDT), Bob Lieblich
<rlie...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Sep 16, 10:30 am, Masa <aut...@infoseek.jp> wrote:
>
>> "pipe up" seems to have something to do with "volume of voice".
>> Whey you pipe up, it must be you speak loudly.
>> And it has less connotation of "break into a conversation" than "pipe in".
>>
>> What do you say?
>
>I say that "pipe in" is alien to me in this context.

To me too.

I understand "X pipes up" during a conversation to imply that X has been
silent until then. It does not imply shouting.

>The only meaning
>I attach to "pipe in" has to do with the transmission of music or
>other sound (e.g., a speech) from one place to another by electronic
>means. The people located where the sound arrives can say it's been
>piped in.
>
>I think "pipe in" in the context set forth by the OP is a slip of the
>pen, i.e., an error.

--

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[tony cooper]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:44:28 -0700 (PDT), Bob Lieblich
<rlie...@comcast.net> wrote:

And yet it doesn't seem strange to me at all. Whether "pipe in" or
"pipe up" is used, either sounds perfectly normal to describe someone
who hasn't been a regular part of a conversation interjecting a
comment into the conversation.

Yes, we "pipe in" music, but words often have more than one meaning or
usage. "Transmission", in the case of your post.

What does seem strange is a lawyer "piping in". (This part was in the
original post but not in this one) It is essential, in using "pipe
in" or "pipe up" that the person doing it is not part of the
conversation until that interjection or expected to be part of the
conversation.

A lawyer, in court, is always part of the conversation (if I can call
lawyer utterings "conversation") or is expected to be. He can't very
well "pipe in" because what he has to say is like the expected drop of
the other shoe.

[Marius Hancu]

On Sep 16, 11:08 am, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:44:28 -0700 (PDT), Bob Lieblich
>
>
>
> <rliebl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >On Sep 16, 10:30 am, Masa <aut...@infoseek.jp> wrote:
>
> >> "pipe up" seems to have something to do with "volume of voice".
> >> Whey you pipe up, it must be you speak loudly.
> >> And it has less connotation of "break into a conversation" than "pipe in".
>
> >> What do you say?
>
> >I say that "pipe in" is alien to me in this context. The only meaning
> >I attach to "pipe in" has to do with the transmission of music or
> >other sound (e.g., a speech) from one place to another by electronic
> >means. The people located where the sound arrives can say it's been
> >piped in.
>
> >I think "pipe in" in the context set forth by the OP is a slip of the
> >pen, i.e., an error.
>
> And yet it doesn't seem strange to me at all. Whether "pipe in" or
> "pipe up" is used, either sounds perfectly normal to describe someone
> who hasn't been a regular part of a conversation interjecting a
> comment into the conversation.

Indeed, it's quite common in published books:
"he piped in * voice"
http://tinyurl.com/3fds57k

>
> Yes, we "pipe in" music, but words often have more than one meaning or
> usage. "Transmission", in the case of your post.
>
> What does seem strange is a lawyer "piping in". (This part was in the
> original post but not in this one) It is essential, in using "pipe
> in" or "pipe up" that the person doing it is not part of the
> conversation until that interjection or expected to be part of the
> conversation.
>
> A lawyer, in court, is always part of the conversation (if I can call
> lawyer utterings "conversation") or is expected to be. He can't very
> well "pipe in" because what he has to say is like the expected drop of
> the other shoe.

Marius Hancu

[Leslie Danks]

Marius Hancu wrote:

> On Sep 16, 11:08 am, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:44:28 -0700 (PDT), Bob Lieblich
>>
>>
>>
>> <rliebl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >On Sep 16, 10:30 am, Masa <aut...@infoseek.jp> wrote:
>>
>> >> "pipe up" seems to have something to do with "volume of voice".
>> >> Whey you pipe up, it must be you speak loudly.
>> >> And it has less connotation of "break into a conversation" than "pipe
>> >> in".
>>
>> >> What do you say?
>>
>> >I say that "pipe in" is alien to me in this context. The only meaning
>> >I attach to "pipe in" has to do with the transmission of music or
>> >other sound (e.g., a speech) from one place to another by electronic
>> >means. The people located where the sound arrives can say it's been
>> >piped in.
>>
>> >I think "pipe in" in the context set forth by the OP is a slip of the
>> >pen, i.e., an error.
>>
>> And yet it doesn't seem strange to me at all. Whether "pipe in" or
>> "pipe up" is used, either sounds perfectly normal to describe someone
>> who hasn't been a regular part of a conversation interjecting a
>> comment into the conversation.
>
> Indeed, it's quite common in published books:
> "he piped in * voice"
> http://tinyurl.com/3fds57k

I've looked at only some of these examples and none of them use "piped in"
as a verbal phrase. "Piped" is the verb and "in a * voice" is an adverbial
modifier. I agree with Bob Lieblich. Is Tony Cooper an alien?

[...]

--
Les
(BrE)

[Horace LaBadie]

In article
<cdc27bb1-6ec3-4fe0...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com
>,

Assuming that some discussion is going on with two or more persons,
possibly another lawyer and the judge, this lawyer is trying to remind
the judge that he has a motion pending on which the judge has yet to
make a ruling. Therefore, he speaks up, perhaps interrupting. If he were
agreeing with something beings aid, he might "chime in," indicating that
he was speaking in agreement. "Piping in" seems to indicate that his
comment is not pertinent to whatever was being discussed, that the topic
had wandered, perhaps, and he was trying to get the discussion back to
his own motion.

[JimboCat]

Though I am located a thousand miles north of him, I agree with Tony:
"pipe in" is a perfectly natural way of describing speech from a
previously-silent participant. It carries the implication of
communication from a distance, but the distance is purely figurative.
"Pipe up" is very similar, but connotes an interruption, and possibly
a loud or shrill tone of voice.

A folk etymology of the two would connect "pipe in" with transmission
of a message (as mentioned abovethread) and "pipe up" with musical
pipes of some kind (perhaps a shrill stop on an organ).

Just posting in support of Tony Cooper's humanity. Don't really know
anything about this phrase except that it sounds fine to me and I
could swear I've heard it before.

Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
--
"Speak to be spoken -- language composes you." [unk]

[tony cooper]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:52:23 +0200, Leslie Danks <leslie...@aon.at>
wrote:

If so, I have company. Googling "he piped in" finds several examples.

From a blog about someone's child: "The other day he was getting on
the table to grab Josh's itouch and I said, "Logan, don't..." and he
piped in "Don't touch ANYTHING!"

And from another site: "He was in a café when he overheard some of
the locals talk about a hunting trip they came back from. He was
intrigued by their talk, so he piped in and intended to ask the group
about the shooting.

There are other uses, but this isn't a point worth belaboring.

[Prai Jei]

Masa set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:

"Pipe up" is more usual in the UK, never heard of "pipe in". However, I'm
equally kerfuzzled by having to "renew" one's motion. That suggests
preventive maintenance on a steam locomotive rather than something to see
the doctor about.
--
ξ:) Proud to be curly

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply

[Leslie Danks]

Prai Jei wrote:

Perhaps there should be a comma after "he(attorney)" instead of a full stop
after "in".

--
Les
(BrE)

[Mark Brader]

>> Let me ask a question about the following sentence from a novel.
>>
>> Then he(attorney) pipes in. 'Your honor, we'd like to renew our motion.'
>> (S.Martini)

> ...However, I'm equally kerfuzzled by having to "renew" one's motion
> That suggests preventive maintenance on a steam locomotive$...

"Renew" here means more or less "repeat". He made a motion in the
past (for example, a motion to have certain evidence accepted as
admissible, or excluded as inadmissible) and the judge denied it.
Now circumstances have changed and he wants the judge to consider the
same motion again -- treating it as newly submitted, hence "renewed".

I do appreciate the attempt to bring steam locomotives into the
courtroom, though. We don't see enough of that these days.

> ...rather than something to see the doctor about.

!
--
Mark Brader | "What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out
Toronto | of locomotives travelling twice as fast as stagecoaches?"
m...@vex.net | -- The Quarterly Review (England), March 1825

My text in this article is in the public domain.

[Mark Brader]

"Masa" asked about:

>>> Then he(attorney) pipes in. 'Your honor, we'd like to renew our motion.'

Les Danks suggests:

> Perhaps there should be a comma after "he(attorney)" instead of a full stop
> after "in".

I think it works either way. You can view "pipes in" as transitive,
with the dialogue as object, or as intransitive, with the dialogue
in a new sentence. But now that you mention it, I personally do
prefer the comma version.
--
Mark Brader | "Basically, what I *really* want is the USENET of the 1980s
Toronto | without the high long-distance telephone bills."
m...@vex.net | --Wayne Brown

[Leslie Danks]

Mark Brader wrote:

> "Masa" asked about:
>>>> Then he(attorney) pipes in. 'Your honor, we'd like to renew our
>>>> motion.'
>
> Les Danks suggests:
>> Perhaps there should be a comma after "he(attorney)" instead of a full
>> stop after "in".
>
> I think it works either way. You can view "pipes in" as transitive,
> with the dialogue as object, or as intransitive, with the dialogue
> in a new sentence. But now that you mention it, I personally do
> prefer the comma version.

I am accustomed to using only one punctuation mark to set off reported
speech - inverted commas alone. For those of a different persuasion, how
about a colon after "in".

--
Les
(BrE)

[Snidely]

tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> scribbled something like ...

> Please...can you set your line width to about 72 characters? Some
> newsreaders may adjust, but Agent - at least - doesn't and this means
> scrolling to read the entire line.

Masa probably cannot. The post is apparently from GG, and I've found by
experimentation that the "new" interface, which has some nice features,
also has the feature of expecting the reader to wrap.

Masa may be able to use the "classic" interface, which does do line length
better, but the way to get there may have moved around ... it was in the
right column last I spotted it.

/dps "piping in myself"

[Glenn Knickerbocker]

On 09/16/2011 10:30 AM, Masa wrote:
> "pipe up" seems to have something to do with "volume of voice".
> Whey you pipe up, it must be you speak loudly.

Not so much loudly as clearly and quickly. The metaphor is of a
high-pitched flute cutting through a din. "Pipe in" strikes me as an
accidental mixture of this with "chime in."

ŹR

[Masa]

Let me ask differently, or from an another angle.

What picture is drawn of "pipe" in this case, or for an analogy?

Does he speak to the pipe which carries his voice through, like in a submarine where
people speak to pipe for communication?

[Marius Hancu]

As a matter of fact this is how I'm reading it, say in:
---
Stepping Out of the Dark - Page 147
J. Nielsen - 2007 - 280 pages - Preview

“You're probably right, but in spite of that, I have such an eerie
feeling now that won't go away that I...,” but before she could say
the rest he piped in and told her after he tied up some loose ends, he
would be over. ...
---

Marius Hancu

[Snidely]

Masa <aut...@infoseek.jp> scribbled something like ...

No. As Glenn says, "The metaphor is of a

high-pitched flute cutting through a din."

If flute seems far from a pipe to you, envisage a Pan Pipe (or Pipes of
Pan), or organ pipes in the higher registers.

/dps

[R H Draney]

Snidely filted:

Or picture a high-ranking naval officer being "piped aboard" a ship....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[Peter Moylan]

tony cooper wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:52:23 +0200, Leslie Danks <leslie...@aon.at>
> wrote:
>
>> I've looked at only some of these examples and none of them use "piped in"
>> as a verbal phrase. "Piped" is the verb and "in a * voice" is an adverbial
>> modifier. I agree with Bob Lieblich. Is Tony Cooper an alien?
>>
> If so, I have company. Googling "he piped in" finds several examples.
>
> From a blog about someone's child: "The other day he was getting on
> the table to grab Josh's itouch and I said, "Logan, don't..." and he
> piped in "Don't touch ANYTHING!"
>

> And from another site: "He was in a caf� when he overheard some of

> the locals talk about a hunting trip they came back from. He was
> intrigued by their talk, so he piped in and intended to ask the group
> about the shooting.
>
> There are other uses, but this isn't a point worth belaboring.

Still, it's interesting that only two people here (so far) have heard of
it. I don't suppose your googling gave any clues about region.

--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.

[Peter Moylan]

When people speak of a "piping voice", they mean one that's high-pitched
but without much sound energy. (Technically, not much harmonic content.)
I'm not sure whether that's related to "pipes up", though.

[tony cooper]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:22:08 +1000, Peter Moylan
<inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>tony cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:52:23 +0200, Leslie Danks <leslie...@aon.at>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've looked at only some of these examples and none of them use "piped in"
>>> as a verbal phrase. "Piped" is the verb and "in a * voice" is an adverbial
>>> modifier. I agree with Bob Lieblich. Is Tony Cooper an alien?
>>>
>> If so, I have company. Googling "he piped in" finds several examples.
>>
>> From a blog about someone's child: "The other day he was getting on
>> the table to grab Josh's itouch and I said, "Logan, don't..." and he
>> piped in "Don't touch ANYTHING!"
>>

>> And from another site: "He was in a café when he overheard some of

>> the locals talk about a hunting trip they came back from. He was
>> intrigued by their talk, so he piped in and intended to ask the group
>> about the shooting.
>>
>> There are other uses, but this isn't a point worth belaboring.
>
>Still, it's interesting that only two people here (so far) have heard of
>it. I don't suppose your googling gave any clues about region.

Bob Lieblich and I have been the only two Americans who have commented
(to date), and we split the vote 50/50. The author is American and
the book is about Americans.

[tony cooper]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:54:57 -0700 (PDT), Masa <aut...@infoseek.jp>
wrote:

The origin of "pipe down", meaning to be quiet, goes back to sailing
ship days according to the Word Detective:

PIPE DOWN: "Pipe down," meaning "to be quiet" or "settle down," is so
often used by parents or teachers confronted with a room full of
unruly children that most folks would never guess that the phrase was
born in the days of sailing ships. The pipe in question was the
boatswain's pipe, a small whistle-like device used by the boatswain
(also known as the "bosun," the petty officer in charge of the deck)
to communicate orders to the crew via different arrangements of notes.
When the bosun "piped down" aboard ship, he blew the signal for the
crew to retire from their tasks or formation and return to their
quarters belowdecks. Since the deck would become suddenly quiet when
the crew retired, "pipe down" came to be used as nautical slang for
"be quiet" or "shut up," and by the end of the 19th century it had
percolated out into its modern non-seafaring usage.

To "pipe up", or to "pipe in", meaning the opposite of "pipe down", is
assumably from that usage.

Rather than an analogy, think of "spoke up" as a replacement term.

[Skitt]

tony cooper wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>> tony cooper wrote:

>>> Leslie Danks wrote:

>>>> I've looked at only some of these examples and none of them use "piped in"
>>>> as a verbal phrase. "Piped" is the verb and "in a * voice" is an adverbial
>>>> modifier. I agree with Bob Lieblich. Is Tony Cooper an alien?
>>>>
>>> If so, I have company. Googling "he piped in" finds several examples.
>>>
>>> From a blog about someone's child: "The other day he was getting on
>>> the table to grab Josh's itouch and I said, "Logan, don't..." and he
>>> piped in "Don't touch ANYTHING!"
>>>
>>> And from another site: "He was in a café when he overheard some of
>>> the locals talk about a hunting trip they came back from. He was
>>> intrigued by their talk, so he piped in and intended to ask the group
>>> about the shooting.
>>>
>>> There are other uses, but this isn't a point worth belaboring.
>>
>> Still, it's interesting that only two people here (so far) have heard of
>> it. I don't suppose your googling gave any clues about region.
>
> Bob Lieblich and I have been the only two Americans who have commented
> (to date), and we split the vote 50/50. The author is American and
> the book is about Americans.

Until now, I had not heard of "piped in". "Piped up" is standard in my
vocabulary.

--
Skitt (SF Bay Area)
http://come.to/skitt

[John Holmes]

Bob Lieblich wrote:

> On Sep 16, 10:30 am, Masa <aut...@infoseek.jp> wrote:
>
>> "pipe up" seems to have something to do with "volume of voice".
>> Whey you pipe up, it must be you speak loudly.

>> And it has less connotation of "break into a conversation" than
>> "pipe in".
>>
>> What do you say?
>
> I say that "pipe in" is alien to me in this context. The only meaning
> I attach to "pipe in" has to do with the transmission of music or
> other sound (e.g., a speech) from one place to another by electronic
> means. The people located where the sound arrives can say it's been
> piped in.
>
> I think "pipe in" in the context set forth by the OP is a slip of the
> pen, i.e., an error.

"Piped in" sounds like the haggis appearing on Burns night.

--
Regards
John
for mail: my initials plus a u e
at tpg dot com dot au

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:22:08 +1000, Peter Moylan
<inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>tony cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:52:23 +0200, Leslie Danks <leslie...@aon.at>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've looked at only some of these examples and none of them use "piped in"
>>> as a verbal phrase. "Piped" is the verb and "in a * voice" is an adverbial
>>> modifier. I agree with Bob Lieblich. Is Tony Cooper an alien?
>>>
>> If so, I have company. Googling "he piped in" finds several examples.
>>
>> From a blog about someone's child: "The other day he was getting on
>> the table to grab Josh's itouch and I said, "Logan, don't..." and he
>> piped in "Don't touch ANYTHING!"
>>

>> And from another site: "He was in a café when he overheard some of

>> the locals talk about a hunting trip they came back from. He was
>> intrigued by their talk, so he piped in and intended to ask the group
>> about the shooting.
>>
>> There are other uses, but this isn't a point worth belaboring.
>
>Still, it's interesting that only two people here (so far) have heard of
>it. I don't suppose your googling gave any clues about region.

I've not met "pipe in". It seems, particularly in the example above
(locals in a cafe), to combine "butt in" and "pipe up".

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[CDB]

AOL. Or "chime in".

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2011-09-17 05:10:18 +0200, Lewis said:

> In message <d0aa76c3-5bc3-457f...@w28g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>

> And while I am far to the west of either of you, I agree as well.

On reading this thread I'm coming to think that this is pondial. I find
"pipe in" (other than for, saying, piping in water, etc.) quite
unnatural. Has any speaker of BrE found it to be natural, so far?


--
athel

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

Not me/I.

"chip in" would be natural.

OED:

8. chip in (colloq.):

a. to interpose smartly, 'cut in'; to 'butt' in. Cf. chop n.1 in.
Also trans.
c1870 B. Harte In the Tunnel, Just you chip in, Say you knew
Flynn.
1888 Star 12 Dec. 3/3 Justice Smith here chipped in with the
remark that counsel..had not curtailed their cross-examination.
1903 A. H. Lewis Boss 271 Madam, let me chip in a word.
1906 E. Dyson Fact'ry 'Ands iii. 36 She's been goin' to marry
me, more 'r less for a year, an' now you've chipped-in.

b. {gambling chips}

c. {money} To contribute ; to make a contribution. Also absol. orig.
U.S.

[Katy Jennison]

On 17/09/2011 18:07, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:17:19 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden

>> On reading this thread I'm coming to think that this is pondial. I find
>> "pipe in" (other than for, saying, piping in water, etc.) quite
>> unnatural. Has any speaker of BrE found it to be natural, so far?
>
> Not me/I.
>
> "chip in" would be natural.

AOL. Water, muzak, haggis, that's all. Yes, "chip in" seems to catch
the sense.


--
Katy Jennison

[Mike Lyle]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:11:50 -0400, "CDB" <belle...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

One can "pipe down", too; but the opposite of "chime in" isn't "chime
out".

--
Mike.

[Mike Lyle]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:06:52 +1000, "John Holmes" <s...@sig.instead>
wrote:

Christmas puddings, too, now you mention it. I'd forgotten that one of
our childhood rituals was my father putting on a record of a pipe band
to accompany the progress of the pudding from the kitchen stove to the
dining room table - a majestic journey of about eight feet. I still
have the sgian dubh we used to dismember the victim.

--
Mike.

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:06:51 +0100, Mike Lyle <mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

Was the pudding piping hot?

[tony cooper]

In the US, to "chip in" only has the meaning of sharing expenses. You
chip in when there's a whip-round to collect money.

[Pat Durkin]

"tony cooper" <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:nks777910t3civcsh...@4ax.com...

I agree with your note about the bosun's pipe. Never was in the Navy,
but I always thought it was an attention-getting device so the crew of
the ship could pay attention to important events, mainly,
announcements by the commander or XO--and, of course, the piping
aboard of important visitors.
Still, a number of people, more than just the 50% you mentioned, have
indicated a greater familiarity with "piped up" than with "piped in"
(and that was US participants) and before midnight of last night.

Perhaps you have blocked a number of us over the years.

I am sure I have also heard "piped in", but it doesn't sound natural
to me, and I cannot allocate its usage to a particular age group or
region.

[Donna Richoux]

tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> In the US, to "chip in" only has the meaning of sharing expenses. You
> chip in when there's a whip-round to collect money.

About 80% of the time, anyway. At the American Corpus (COCA), about 10
of the first 100 hits for "chipped in" have the meaning "said."

About another 10% are about golf.

And two were about an object that was chipped.

I would paste some examples but it seems I can't copy the text.

Oh I also looked for early examples of the intransitive "piped in". So
far, this is the earliest I've found:

Modern drummer: MD.: Volume 10, Issues 7-12 1986
"If I may interrupt," he piped in, "I can testify for Weckl's
case.
--
Best -- Donna Richoux

[tony cooper]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 01:31:35 +0200, tr...@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrote:

>tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> In the US, to "chip in" only has the meaning of sharing expenses. You
>> chip in when there's a whip-round to collect money.
>
>About 80% of the time, anyway. At the American Corpus (COCA), about 10
>of the first 100 hits for "chipped in" have the meaning "said."
>
>About another 10% are about golf.

I forgot about chipping in when playing gold. I've done it so rarely
that it doesn't come to mind.

[tony cooper]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:07:57 -0500, "Pat Durkin" <durk...@msn.com>
wrote:

What, we are up to three or four Americans? That's not much of a
sample.

>Perhaps you have blocked a number of us over the years.
>
> I am sure I have also heard "piped in",

If you've heard it, then someone is saying it, and if someone is
saying it, it sounds natural to them.

> but it doesn't sound natural
>to me, and I cannot allocate its usage to a particular age group or
>region.
>
>
>

[tony cooper]

Just a typo.

[CDB]

What with the ambiguity of "out" in that context. "Chime out,
dumbbell, nobody asked you." No, wait, *don't* chime out. No, wait.

[Jeffrey Turner]

Another idiom similar to "pipe in" is "chime in."

--Jeff

[Snidely]

tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> scribbled something like ...

> What, we are up to three or four Americans? That's not much of a
> sample.
>
>>Perhaps you have blocked a number of us over the years.
>>
>> I am sure I have also heard "piped in",
>
> If you've heard it, then someone is saying it, and if someone is
> saying it, it sounds natural to them.

Now I am feeling uncertain ... it sounded familiar and natural when I
started reading this thread, and I still think so, but as to whether I've
previously heard it in the wild? Confusion reigns.

(Plenty of familiarity with "pipe up", "speak up", and "chime in", of
course ... even on the Left Coast.)

>
>
>> but it doesn't sound natural
>>to me, and I cannot allocate its usage to a particular age group or
>>region.

/dps