Michael Hamm
TO something
Is there more than one pub called the King's Arms?
"Men Only"?
Hundreds....
Rich
Free House.
> Michael Hamm
> TO something
>See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
>What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?
"Sky football"
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Real Ale
> Michael Hamm
> TO something
I suppose "Public House" is out of the question.
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>See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
>What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?
"No Irish"
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Public Bar?
Or.. if its the other door;
Saloon Bar?
The King is a centipede?
Gents Only
I have certainly identified the location of this pub. However, the photo is
clearly of another era and the signage by the door has changed. For photos
from the present and from Victorian times check out the ones I've posted:
http://www.smwarren.com/SDC/ka1.jpg
http://www.smwarren.com/SDC/ka2.jpg
Rich
Gosh, do centipedes have arms around your way?
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Whats a pentadactyl limb between friends?
Case Ale.
(Not that I understand what the fuss is about.)
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>>The King is a centipede?
> Gosh, do centipedes have arms around your way?
They're not as armless as they look.
Go on, Rich, do tell!
I'm not sure how much of a clue it is, but according to Google, the phrase
we're looking for does not occur anywhere on the Web.
Adrian
T.O.P.
Fine Ales
Therefore they would not qualify as a Googlewhack.
http://www.googlewhack.com/
That's why I had already turned to non-Web avenues. :-) Stay tuned.
Rich
Copanello Adrian Bailey added:
I'm not sure how much of a clue it is, but according to Google,
the phrase we're looking for does not occur anywhere
on the Web.
Some Road Trip Required?
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(once we reach a relevant road)
Perhaps, since speaking to an employee of the publican of said establishment
was not fruitful. However, other avenues remain open and are already
underway. :-)
Rich
"Deiu" is one of them.
Having just spoken again to the publican and learning that it was a coat of
arms, I'm going to go with "Dieu" and "Droit" as the two words. Since the
pub is named the "Kings Arms" and these are part of the royal motto "Dieu et
mon droit" it would make sense (though 4 words would be better).
RIch
The other possibility would be "Cinque ports" which has the right
number of words.
Rich
And the other possibility would be "Cinque Ports" which as the requisite
number of words
Rich
No. Maybe if you'd wired him $30 he would've put a bit more effort into
remembering!
> The other possibility would be "Cinque ports" which has the right
> number of words.
I wasn't kidding when I said the phrase concerned gets zero Google hits. You
will find the answer at "Guaranty propelled voyage she Bootle biopsies alee"
if you're a real Webwizz.
Adrian
T.O.P.
>I wasn't kidding when I said the phrase concerned gets zero Google hits.
Hang on - you mean there's no instance of this combination of two
words known to Google?
Blimey. Even if they are Latin.
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You'll have to explain the clues as well as the questions, you know.
I'd love to have heard Rich's conversations with the publican.
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:-) That would be tricky! Let me try and be a bit more straightforward. The
two-word sign advertised something the pub sold. Like with Q31, the phrase
in question is rather twee/pompous/affected/pretentious. I'm sure there were
already plenty of people in the early 1980s (when the photo was taken) who
wouldn't have had a clue what it meant (or how to say it).
Adrian
> :-) That would be tricky! Let me try and be a bit more straightforward.
> The
> two-word sign advertised something the pub sold. Like with Q31, the phrase
> in question is rather twee/pompous/affected/pretentious. I'm sure there
> were
> already plenty of people in the early 1980s (when the photo was taken) who
> wouldn't have had a clue what it meant (or how to say it).
>
ingesta calefacta
Philip Eden
"comestible collations"
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>> The two-word sign advertised something the pub sold. Like with Q31,
>>the phrase in question is rather twee/pompous/affected/pretentious.
>>I'm sure there were already plenty of people in the early 1980s
>>(when the photo was taken) who wouldn't have had a clue what it meant
>>(or how to say it).
>>
>ingesta calefacta
Thé dansant
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Cordon Bleue.
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WH
We've arrived in the right ballpark, though the answer isn't French. Since
the phrase is modifier+noun I've had a Google to see what other modifiers
people apply to this noun, and there's quite an array: straight-forward,
hearty, emergency, decent, vital, above par, pretty good, basic, simple,
fine, happy-hour, Gaelic, vegetarian, Caribbean, agreeable, English, finest,
strong, Loop, Mexican, soul-satisfying, valuable, traditional Irish, lavish,
top, ...
plus, of course, the word on the sign.
Adrian
T.O.P.
Savoury Victuals
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Cheshire, England
Philip Eden
Home-made victuals?
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WH
Tasty victuals.
Let us not forget that the phrase on the sign does _not_ occur on Google
(That _was_ a clue, right?).
"Victuals" certainly fits the other clues (not French, archaic or twee,
people would have trouble pronouncing it).
I do record here for posterity that as of the present, "luxurious victuals"
has but a single Google hit (not a googlewhack, though, because of the
quotation marks), and "luxury victuals" has but two.
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> William wrote:
>
>> Adrian Bailey wrote:
>>
>>>We've arrived in the right ballpark, though the answer isn't French.
>>>Since the phrase is modifier+noun
I note that our cluer did not write "adjective+noun".
So it may be something along the lines of a noun used adjectivally or a
possessive, e.g.,
"Alehouse victuals".
"Publican's victuals"
or (tweeing-up that ubiquitous but recently invented dairy dinner)
"Ploughman's victuals"
> I do record here for posterity that as of the present, "luxurious
> victuals" has but a single Google hit (not a googlewhack, though, because
> of the quotation marks), and "luxury victuals" has but two.
Hm, "pickled victuals" seem googlewise rather thin on the ground, too (found
only in one reasonably obscure Church Father. Who knew?).
> Laura F. Spira wrote:
>
>
>>William wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Adrian Bailey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>We've arrived in the right ballpark, though the answer isn't French.
>>>>Since the phrase is modifier+noun I've had a Google to see what other
>>>>modifiers people apply to this noun, and there's quite an array:
>>>>straight-forward, hearty, emergency, decent, vital, above par, pretty
>>>>good, basic, simple, fine, happy-hour, Gaelic, vegetarian, Caribbean,
>>>>agreeable, English, finest, strong, Loop, Mexican, soul-satisfying,
>>>>valuable, traditional Irish, lavish, top, ...
>>>>
>>>>plus, of course, the word on the sign.
>>>
>>Tasty victuals.
>
>
> Let us not forget that the phrase on the sign does _not_ occur on Google
> (That _was_ a clue, right?).
>
> "Victuals" certainly fits the other clues (not French, archaic or twee,
> people would have trouble pronouncing it).
>
> I do record here for posterity that as of the present, "luxurious victuals"
> has but a single Google hit (not a googlewhack, though, because of the
> quotation marks), and "luxury victuals" has but two.
>
I'd forgotten that.
I can't remember if Rich told us where the pub was but I'll try Kentish
Or Sussex victuals.
Since the town council members and the town historian are being dilatory in
responding to my emails, I'll toss out the pub location for all. It is the
King's Arms in the town of Sandwich, Kent.
Rich
> Since the town council members and the town historian are being dilatory in
> responding to my emails, I'll toss out the pub location for all. It is the
> King's Arms in the town of Sandwich, Kent.
Sandwiches Vended.
> Rich Ragan spake thusly:
>
>
>>Since the town council members and the town historian are being dilatory in
>>responding to my emails, I'll toss out the pub location for all. It is the
>>King's Arms in the town of Sandwich, Kent.
>
>
> Sandwiches Vended.
>
And which of those words would people not know how to pronounce?
> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by
> the door?
>
> Michael Hamm
> TO something
>
Sandwyche fare
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rzed
"travellers victuals"
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WH
Philip Eden
Sandwich victuals.
Philip Eden
Well if we are going to have a cutesy phrase perhaps "Kentish vittles" is
even more twee. It certainly has no Google hits but then neither does
Kentish victuals.
Rich
Yes, but vittles is not difficult to pronounce, is it? (I'm hearing
Magwitch, now. Stuck Dickens Syndrome.)
> the Omrud wrote:
>
> > Rich Ragan spake thusly:
> >
> >>Since the town council members and the town historian are being dilatory in
> >>responding to my emails, I'll toss out the pub location for all. It is the
> >>King's Arms in the town of Sandwich, Kent.
> >
> > Sandwiches Vended.
>
> And which of those words would people not know how to pronounce?
Oh, bother, I forgot that part. My brain overfloweth with clues.
You are not alone - I had to be reminded that the two words combined
were not Googleable. At this stage, searching back through the threads
becomes as much of a challenge as researching the obscurities in the
questions.
Must be worth an ovine bonus, being the first answer to fit the information.
Well done. :)
Adrian
T.O.P.
You mean "fayre", shirley.
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Ooh, goody!
Well, here is a twee, hard to pronounce sort of phrase one might expect to
see in ye olde merrye England, "Aulden victuals" though why I would want old
victuals is unclear.
Rich
Early Victuals
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> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by
> the door?
>
> Michael Hamm
> TO something
>
A local tourist trap used to have a sign advertising "Foods of
yesterday" which were "Served in the Ordinary". Ordinary leftovers,
I suppose. But who knows:
Ordinary victuals
?
--
rzed
Viscous Victuals
Historic Victuals
There's a considerable market for old _fiddles_, though.
Which rhymes, even, at least in AmE.
Hang in there. I've got the big guns out now:
From an email I got this morning:
" Thank you for your enquiry re. Kings Arms. I have passed it on to staff
at the Sandwich Guildhall Museum, who are looking into it. If they find out
any useful information we willl pass it on to you., Yours Pam @ Sandwich
TIC"
I also spoke with the town historian who is going to search the archives
which have lots of old photos.
This is so much fun. LOL
Rich
I'm still amazed that you managed to locate the actual pub from
the paucity of info in the image. I know it tells you it is on Church
Street / St Mary's, but on checking the googleproofness
of this Q when it was first suggested, I didn't find anything
that allowed me to pin down its location midst all the 1000's
of "does not apply" hits. It's only once you've pinned it down
to Sandwich that you get to see an image that allows you
to compare it with the one in the question. and then pin it down
due to its distinctive architectural features.
Jitze
Being interested in such things, I know that there aren't that many towns in
England divided between parishes... That would narrow it down quite a bit.
But how Rich did it, I don't know. Just ploughed through dozens of Google
image-search pages?
Adrian
Ah, there is 1 Google hit: Pubs in and around Sandwich Kent The King's
Arms - Strand St - 1592 (formerly The Queen's Arms) ... Church Street, St.
Mary's 1458. (Became the King's Head in 1675) ...
www.open-sandwich.co.uk/old_inns_pubs/past.htm - 26k - Cached -
Similar pages
Adrian
luverly grubb
or
Pubb Grubb
or
Pubbe Grubbe
As I recall that was the one that did the trick. From there it was a matter
of looking at the windows and other architectural features.
It probably was non-Googlable but open-sandwich completely reworked their
website recently and this probably broke your non-Googalibility.
I was frustrated by that rework because lots of potentially useful links to
old pub images just go to the 404 page of the new site.
rich
Philip Eden
> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by
> the door?
>
> Michael Hamm
> TO something
gustatory comestibles
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rzed
>Michael Hamm <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in
Would you recognize an adults vice not normaly
associared with sandwichean comestibles? Given
the location of this pub, it might be worth looking into.
Jitze
Skittle Victuals
Philip Eden
whist playing
whist gambling
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which declared that their Legislature should 'make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
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- Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, 1802
n.b. the second word *is* victuals.
Adrian
T.O.P.
So ...
whist victuals
gaming victuals
JemmyTwitcher's(c) victuals
gambling victuals
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rzed
pe
smoking victuals
Ante Victuals
Marine Victuals
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WH
>smoking victuals
Eponymous victuals.
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Mickwick
Societal Victuals
Whew - I snuck an anagram in there which I thought looked rather
obvious, but as of closing time it appears that nobody spotted it...
So consider the above clue repeated, but with the word
"scrambled" or "re-arranged" somewhere in the first sentence.
That's what the boys at the Times or the Telegraph would have
done I think. But it's been a while
Jitze
Jitze
manorly victuals
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Lunatics Saved. No, that can't be it.
Dean Victuals, Valued Antics, Dane Victuals
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Noted Victuals
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WH
Thank you! Did you like my subtler clue?
Adrian
T.O.P.
Matrimonal Victuals
>noted victuals
Sheepmeister! Even though it is past the witching hour in Greenwich,
and only when I opened the kimono to a positively indecent extent,
did we get us three horses neck and neck...
According to what I see here - Rich Ragan at 2.55, Paul Wollf at
2.56 and William at 3.01
So whether this qualifies for sheep or not I will leave to the
Solomonic judgement of l'orkeur des moutons.
But at least folks can see the long-sought-for answer now.
Jitze
Local time in Greenwich wasn't the relevant criterion -- the specified
deadline was 24:00 Greenwich *Mean* Time, or about 13 minutes ago as
I post, and 27 minutes *after* Jitze's posting.
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