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Michael Hamm

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Sep 7, 2005, 11:38:11 PM9/7/05
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What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?

Michael Hamm
TO something

Jess Askin

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Michael Hamm wrote:
> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the
> door?

Is there more than one pub called the King's Arms?


Areff

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Michael Hamm wrote:
> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?

"Men Only"?


Rich Ragan

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Hundreds....

Rich


Peter Morris

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"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?

Free House.

> Michael Hamm
> TO something


Ross Howard

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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:38:11 -0500, Michael Hamm
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>See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
>What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?

"Sky football"

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Philip Eden

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"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?
>
Pub grub

Philip Eden


Peter Morris

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"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?

Real Ale

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Roland Hutchinson

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Sep 8, 2005, 9:18:18 AM9/8/05
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Michael Hamm wrote:

I suppose "Public House" is out of the question.

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R H Draney

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Michael Hamm filted:

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>See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
>What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?

"Visa" and "Mastercard"....r

Spehro Pefhany

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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:38:11 -0500, the renowned Michael Hamm
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>See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
>What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?

"No Irish"


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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:38:11 -0500, the renowned Michael Hamm
> <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote:
>
> >See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> >What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?
>
> "No Irish"

Public Bar?
Or.. if its the other door;
Saloon Bar?

Dona...@gmail.com

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The King is a centipede?

Rich Ragan

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"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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Gents Only

I have certainly identified the location of this pub. However, the photo is
clearly of another era and the signage by the door has changed. For photos
from the present and from Victorian times check out the ones I've posted:

http://www.smwarren.com/SDC/ka1.jpg
http://www.smwarren.com/SDC/ka2.jpg

Rich


the Omrud

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Sep 8, 2005, 2:48:10 PM9/8/05
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Gosh, do centipedes have arms around your way?

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Dona...@gmail.com

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Sep 8, 2005, 3:33:29 PM9/8/05
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Whats a pentadactyl limb between friends?

Richard Maurer

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Sep 8, 2005, 3:39:14 PM9/8/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?

Case Ale.

(Not that I understand what the fuss is about.)

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Peter Moylan

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Sep 8, 2005, 11:19:30 PM9/8/05
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the Omrud wrote:

>>The King is a centipede?

> Gosh, do centipedes have arms around your way?

They're not as armless as they look.

Adrian Bailey

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"Rich Ragan" <r...@dontmailme.com> wrote in message
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Go on, Rich, do tell!

I'm not sure how much of a clue it is, but according to Google, the phrase
we're looking for does not occur anywhere on the Web.

Adrian
T.O.P.


Rich Ragan

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"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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Fine Ales


Rich Ragan

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"Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Therefore they would not qualify as a Googlewhack.
http://www.googlewhack.com/

That's why I had already turned to non-Web avenues. :-) Stay tuned.

Rich


Richard Maurer

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Sep 9, 2005, 5:56:53 PM9/9/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?


Copanello Adrian Bailey added:


I'm not sure how much of a clue it is, but according to Google,
the phrase we're looking for does not occur anywhere
on the Web.

Some Road Trip Required?

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(once we reach a relevant road)

Rich Ragan

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"Richard Maurer" <rcpb1_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been
> blanked out on the sign by the door?
>
>
> Copanello Adrian Bailey added:
> I'm not sure how much of a clue it is, but according to Google,
> the phrase we're looking for does not occur anywhere
> on the Web.
>
>
>
> Some Road Trip Required?

Perhaps, since speaking to an employee of the publican of said establishment
was not fruitful. However, other avenues remain open and are already
underway. :-)

Rich


Richard Maurer

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Sep 11, 2005, 9:40:35 AM9/11/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?

"Deiu" is one of them.

Rich Ragan

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"Richard Maurer" <rcpb1_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been
> blanked out on the sign by the door?
>
>
>
> "Deiu" is one of them.
>

Having just spoken again to the publican and learning that it was a coat of
arms, I'm going to go with "Dieu" and "Droit" as the two words. Since the
pub is named the "Kings Arms" and these are part of the royal motto "Dieu et
mon droit" it would make sense (though 4 words would be better).

RIch


Rich Ragan

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Sep 11, 2005, 1:40:29 PM9/11/05
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The other possibility would be "Cinque ports" which has the right
number of words.

Rich

Rich Ragan

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"Rich Ragan" <r...@dontmailme.com> wrote in message
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And the other possibility would be "Cinque Ports" which as the requisite
number of words

Rich


Adrian Bailey

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"Rich Ragan" <Rich....@dontMailMe.com> wrote in message
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> Rich Ragan wrote:
> > "Richard Maurer" <rcpb1_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:01c5b6d6$671652e0$e0c8480c@default...
> >
> >>Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
> >> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> >> What are the two words that have been
> >> blanked out on the sign by the door?
> >>
> >>"Deiu" is one of them.
> >
> > Having just spoken again to the publican and learning that it was a coat
of
> > arms, I'm going to go with "Dieu" and "Droit" as the two words. Since
the
> > pub is named the "Kings Arms" and these are part of the royal motto
"Dieu et
> > mon droit" it would make sense (though 4 words would be better).

No. Maybe if you'd wired him $30 he would've put a bit more effort into
remembering!

> The other possibility would be "Cinque ports" which has the right
> number of words.

I wasn't kidding when I said the phrase concerned gets zero Google hits. You
will find the answer at "Guaranty propelled voyage she Bootle biopsies alee"
if you're a real Webwizz.

Adrian
T.O.P.


Wood Avens

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Sep 11, 2005, 3:42:03 PM9/11/05
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:39:01 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I wasn't kidding when I said the phrase concerned gets zero Google hits.

Hang on - you mean there's no instance of this combination of two
words known to Google?

Blimey. Even if they are Latin.

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Laura F. Spira

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Sep 11, 2005, 4:24:55 PM9/11/05
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Adrian Bailey wrote:

You'll have to explain the clues as well as the questions, you know.

I'd love to have heard Rich's conversations with the publican.


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Adrian Bailey

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"Laura F. Spira" <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Adrian Bailey wrote:
> > I wasn't kidding when I said the phrase concerned gets zero Google hits.
You
> > will find the answer at "Guaranty propelled voyage she Bootle biopsies
alee"
> > if you're a real Webwizz.
> >
>
> You'll have to explain the clues as well as the questions, you know.

:-) That would be tricky! Let me try and be a bit more straightforward. The
two-word sign advertised something the pub sold. Like with Q31, the phrase
in question is rather twee/pompous/affected/pretentious. I'm sure there were
already plenty of people in the early 1980s (when the photo was taken) who
wouldn't have had a clue what it meant (or how to say it).

Adrian


Paul Wolff

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In message <u129i1h4m75ndnk9n...@4ax.com>, Wood Avens
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>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:39:01 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I wasn't kidding when I said the phrase concerned gets zero Google hits.
>
>Hang on - you mean there's no instance of this combination of two
>words known to Google?
>
>Blimey. Even if they are Latin.
>
What a good idea. Fine ales: cervisiae bonae.
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Philip Eden

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> :-) That would be tricky! Let me try and be a bit more straightforward.
> The
> two-word sign advertised something the pub sold. Like with Q31, the phrase
> in question is rather twee/pompous/affected/pretentious. I'm sure there
> were
> already plenty of people in the early 1980s (when the photo was taken) who
> wouldn't have had a clue what it meant (or how to say it).
>

ingesta calefacta

Philip Eden


William

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Sep 12, 2005, 1:02:49 PM9/12/05
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Michael Hamm wrote:
> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?

"comestible collations"

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Mickwick

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In alt.usage.english, Philip Eden wrote:
>"Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> The two-word sign advertised something the pub sold. Like with Q31,

>>the phrase in question is rather twee/pompous/affected/pretentious.
>>I'm sure there were already plenty of people in the early 1980s
>>(when the photo was taken) who wouldn't have had a clue what it meant
>>(or how to say it).
>>
>ingesta calefacta

Thé dansant

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the Omrud

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Sep 12, 2005, 3:22:14 PM9/12/05
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Mickwick spake thusly:

Cordon Bleue.

William

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Table d'hote.

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Adrian Bailey

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We've arrived in the right ballpark, though the answer isn't French. Since
the phrase is modifier+noun I've had a Google to see what other modifiers
people apply to this noun, and there's quite an array: straight-forward,
hearty, emergency, decent, vital, above par, pretty good, basic, simple,
fine, happy-hour, Gaelic, vegetarian, Caribbean, agreeable, English, finest,
strong, Loop, Mexican, soul-satisfying, valuable, traditional Irish, lavish,
top, ...

plus, of course, the word on the sign.

Adrian
T.O.P.


Mike Barnes

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Sep 14, 2005, 6:20:57 AM9/14/05
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Savoury Victuals

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Philip Eden

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Delectable nourishment, or ambrosia, even.

Philip Eden


William

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Adrian Bailey wrote:
> We've arrived in the right ballpark, though the answer isn't French. Since
> the phrase is modifier+noun I've had a Google to see what other modifiers
> people apply to this noun, and there's quite an array: straight-forward,
> hearty, emergency, decent, vital, above par, pretty good, basic, simple,
> fine, happy-hour, Gaelic, vegetarian, Caribbean, agreeable, English, finest,
> strong, Loop, Mexican, soul-satisfying, valuable, traditional Irish, lavish,
> top, ...
>
> plus, of course, the word on the sign.

Home-made victuals?

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Laura F. Spira

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Sep 14, 2005, 9:23:25 AM9/14/05
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William wrote:

Tasty victuals.

Roland Hutchinson

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Laura F. Spira wrote:

Let us not forget that the phrase on the sign does _not_ occur on Google
(That _was_ a clue, right?).

"Victuals" certainly fits the other clues (not French, archaic or twee,
people would have trouble pronouncing it).

I do record here for posterity that as of the present, "luxurious victuals"
has but a single Google hit (not a googlewhack, though, because of the
quotation marks), and "luxury victuals" has but two.

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Laura F. Spira wrote:

> William wrote:
>
>> Adrian Bailey wrote:
>>
>>>We've arrived in the right ballpark, though the answer isn't French.
>>>Since the phrase is modifier+noun

I note that our cluer did not write "adjective+noun".

So it may be something along the lines of a noun used adjectivally or a
possessive, e.g.,

"Alehouse victuals".

"Publican's victuals"

or (tweeing-up that ubiquitous but recently invented dairy dinner)

"Ploughman's victuals"

Roland Hutchinson

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Roland Hutchinson wrote:

> I do record here for posterity that as of the present, "luxurious
> victuals" has but a single Google hit (not a googlewhack, though, because
> of the quotation marks), and "luxury victuals" has but two.

Hm, "pickled victuals" seem googlewise rather thin on the ground, too (found
only in one reasonably obscure Church Father. Who knew?).

Laura F. Spira

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Sep 14, 2005, 11:36:40 AM9/14/05
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Roland Hutchinson wrote:

> Laura F. Spira wrote:
>
>
>>William wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Adrian Bailey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>We've arrived in the right ballpark, though the answer isn't French.
>>>>Since the phrase is modifier+noun I've had a Google to see what other
>>>>modifiers people apply to this noun, and there's quite an array:
>>>>straight-forward, hearty, emergency, decent, vital, above par, pretty
>>>>good, basic, simple, fine, happy-hour, Gaelic, vegetarian, Caribbean,
>>>>agreeable, English, finest, strong, Loop, Mexican, soul-satisfying,
>>>>valuable, traditional Irish, lavish, top, ...
>>>>
>>>>plus, of course, the word on the sign.
>>>
>>Tasty victuals.
>
>
> Let us not forget that the phrase on the sign does _not_ occur on Google
> (That _was_ a clue, right?).
>
> "Victuals" certainly fits the other clues (not French, archaic or twee,
> people would have trouble pronouncing it).
>
> I do record here for posterity that as of the present, "luxurious victuals"
> has but a single Google hit (not a googlewhack, though, because of the
> quotation marks), and "luxury victuals" has but two.
>

I'd forgotten that.

I can't remember if Rich told us where the pub was but I'll try Kentish

Laura F. Spira

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Sep 14, 2005, 11:42:59 AM9/14/05
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Laura F. Spira wrote:

Or Sussex victuals.

Rich Ragan

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Since the town council members and the town historian are being dilatory in
responding to my emails, I'll toss out the pub location for all. It is the
King's Arms in the town of Sandwich, Kent.

Rich


the Omrud

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Rich Ragan spake thusly:

> Since the town council members and the town historian are being dilatory in
> responding to my emails, I'll toss out the pub location for all. It is the
> King's Arms in the town of Sandwich, Kent.

Sandwiches Vended.

Laura F. Spira

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the Omrud wrote:

> Rich Ragan spake thusly:
>
>
>>Since the town council members and the town historian are being dilatory in
>>responding to my emails, I'll toss out the pub location for all. It is the
>>King's Arms in the town of Sandwich, Kent.
>
>
> Sandwiches Vended.
>

And which of those words would people not know how to pronounce?

Rick Wotnaz

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Michael Hamm <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in
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> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by
> the door?
>

> Michael Hamm
> TO something
>

Sandwyche fare

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rzed

William

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Adrian Bailey wrote:
> We've arrived in the right ballpark, though the answer isn't French. Since
> the phrase is modifier+noun I've had a Google to see what other modifiers
> people apply to this noun, and there's quite an array: straight-forward,
> hearty, emergency, decent, vital, above par, pretty good, basic, simple,
> fine, happy-hour, Gaelic, vegetarian, Caribbean, agreeable, English, finest,
> strong, Loop, Mexican, soul-satisfying, valuable, traditional Irish, lavish,
> top, ...
> plus, of course, the word on the sign.

"travellers victuals"

--
WH

Philip Eden

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"Laura F. Spira" <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
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> the Omrud wrote:
>
>> Sandwiches Vended.
>>
> And which of those words would people not know how to pronounce?
>
Sandwegian Victuals

Philip Eden


Paul Wolff

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I haven't seen anyone try Sandwich victuals yet.

Sandwich victuals.

Philip Eden

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Better still, Raphinusian Victuals, or whatever the Latin is ...
something like Victualis Raphinensis perhaps (apologies, but
I don't have any).

Philip Eden


Rich Ragan

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"Laura F. Spira" <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
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Well if we are going to have a cutesy phrase perhaps "Kentish vittles" is
even more twee. It certainly has no Google hits but then neither does
Kentish victuals.

Rich


Laura F. Spira

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Sep 14, 2005, 1:30:20 PM9/14/05
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Rich Ragan wrote:

Yes, but vittles is not difficult to pronounce, is it? (I'm hearing
Magwitch, now. Stuck Dickens Syndrome.)

the Omrud

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Sep 14, 2005, 1:46:08 PM9/14/05
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Laura F. Spira spake thusly:

> the Omrud wrote:
>
> > Rich Ragan spake thusly:
> >
> >>Since the town council members and the town historian are being dilatory in
> >>responding to my emails, I'll toss out the pub location for all. It is the
> >>King's Arms in the town of Sandwich, Kent.
> >
> > Sandwiches Vended.
>
> And which of those words would people not know how to pronounce?

Oh, bother, I forgot that part. My brain overfloweth with clues.

Laura F. Spira

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Sep 14, 2005, 1:55:03 PM9/14/05
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the Omrud wrote:

You are not alone - I had to be reminded that the two words combined
were not Googleable. At this stage, searching back through the threads
becomes as much of a challenge as researching the obscurities in the
questions.

Adrian Bailey

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Sep 14, 2005, 4:23:52 PM9/14/05
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"Laura F. Spira" <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
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Must be worth an ovine bonus, being the first answer to fit the information.
Well done. :)

Adrian
T.O.P.


Wood Avens

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Sep 14, 2005, 5:07:38 PM9/14/05
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:17:12 -0400, Rick Wotnaz <des...@wtf.com>
wrote:

You mean "fayre", shirley.

--

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Laura F. Spira

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Sep 14, 2005, 5:13:54 PM9/14/05
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Adrian Bailey wrote:

Ooh, goody!

Rich Ragan

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Sep 14, 2005, 5:41:47 PM9/14/05
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"Rich Ragan" <Rich...@dontmailme.com> wrote in message
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Well, here is a twee, hard to pronounce sort of phrase one might expect to
see in ye olde merrye England, "Aulden victuals" though why I would want old
victuals is unclear.

Rich


Richard Maurer

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Sep 14, 2005, 7:06:33 PM9/14/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?

Early Victuals

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Rick Wotnaz

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Sep 14, 2005, 7:22:48 PM9/14/05
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> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg


> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by
> the door?
>

> Michael Hamm
> TO something
>

A local tourist trap used to have a sign advertising "Foods of
yesterday" which were "Served in the Ordinary". Ordinary leftovers,
I suppose. But who knows:

Ordinary victuals

?

--
rzed

Richard Maurer

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Sep 14, 2005, 10:50:19 PM9/14/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?

Viscous Victuals

Richard Maurer

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Sep 14, 2005, 10:58:02 PM9/14/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?

Historic Victuals

Roland Hutchinson

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Sep 14, 2005, 11:56:36 PM9/14/05
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Rich Ragan wrote:

There's a considerable market for old _fiddles_, though.

Which rhymes, even, at least in AmE.

Rich Ragan

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Sep 15, 2005, 1:14:05 PM9/15/05
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"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.58.05...@ascc.artsci.wustl.edu...

> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?
>
> Michael Hamm
> TO something

Hang in there. I've got the big guns out now:
From an email I got this morning:
" Thank you for your enquiry re. Kings Arms. I have passed it on to staff
at the Sandwich Guildhall Museum, who are looking into it. If they find out
any useful information we willl pass it on to you., Yours Pam @ Sandwich
TIC"

I also spoke with the town historian who is going to search the archives
which have lots of old photos.

This is so much fun. LOL

Rich


Jitze Couperus

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Sep 15, 2005, 2:06:01 PM9/15/05
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I'm still amazed that you managed to locate the actual pub from
the paucity of info in the image. I know it tells you it is on Church
Street / St Mary's, but on checking the googleproofness
of this Q when it was first suggested, I didn't find anything
that allowed me to pin down its location midst all the 1000's
of "does not apply" hits. It's only once you've pinned it down
to Sandwich that you get to see an image that allows you
to compare it with the one in the question. and then pin it down
due to its distinctive architectural features.

Jitze

Adrian Bailey

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Sep 15, 2005, 2:07:32 PM9/15/05
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"Jitze Couperus" <couperus-e...@znet.com> wrote in message
news:4329b60c.2485116890@news.znet.com...

Being interested in such things, I know that there aren't that many towns in
England divided between parishes... That would narrow it down quite a bit.
But how Rich did it, I don't know. Just ploughed through dozens of Google
image-search pages?

Adrian


Adrian Bailey

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Sep 15, 2005, 2:47:04 PM9/15/05
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"Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ah, there is 1 Google hit: Pubs in and around Sandwich Kent The King's
Arms - Strand St - 1592 (formerly The Queen's Arms) ... Church Street, St.
Mary's 1458. (Became the King's Head in 1675) ...
www.open-sandwich.co.uk/old_inns_pubs/past.htm - 26k - Cached -
Similar pages


Adrian


Peter Morris

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Sep 15, 2005, 3:59:28 PM9/15/05
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"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?

luverly grubb

or

Pubb Grubb


or

Pubbe Grubbe


Rich Ragan

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Sep 15, 2005, 2:56:57 PM9/15/05
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"Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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As I recall that was the one that did the trick. From there it was a matter
of looking at the windows and other architectural features.
It probably was non-Googlable but open-sandwich completely reworked their
website recently and this probably broke your non-Googalibility.
I was frustrated by that rework because lots of potentially useful links to
old pub images just go to the 404 page of the new site.

rich


Philip Eden

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Sep 16, 2005, 10:31:10 PM9/16/05
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"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?
>
gustable nosh

Philip Eden


Rick Wotnaz

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Sep 17, 2005, 10:28:45 PM9/17/05
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Michael Hamm <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in
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> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by
> the door?
>

> Michael Hamm
> TO something

gustatory comestibles

--
rzed

Jitze Couperus

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Sep 18, 2005, 3:09:34 AM9/18/05
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:28:45 -0400, Rick Wotnaz <des...@wtf.com>
wrote:

>Michael Hamm <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in

Would you recognize an adults vice not normaly
associared with sandwichean comestibles? Given
the location of this pub, it might be worth looking into.

Jitze

Richard Maurer

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Sep 18, 2005, 5:02:09 AM9/18/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?

Skittle Victuals

Philip Eden

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Sep 18, 2005, 7:14:57 AM9/18/05
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"Jitze Couperus" <couperus-e...@znet.com> wrote in message
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Sandwegian masticables ... or dare I resurrect
Raphinusial masticables

Philip Eden


Jeffrey Turner

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Sep 18, 2005, 8:41:28 AM9/18/05
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Jitze Couperus wrote:

whist playing

whist gambling

--Jeff

--
"Believing... that religion is a matter which lies solely
between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for
his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of
government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate
with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people
which declared that their Legislature should 'make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between
Church and State."

- Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, 1802

Adrian Bailey

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Sep 18, 2005, 10:52:50 AM9/18/05
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"Jeffrey Turner" <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:11iqo3s...@corp.supernews.com...

> Jitze Couperus wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:28:45 -0400, Rick Wotnaz <des...@wtf.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Michael Hamm <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in
> >>news:Pine.GSO.4.58.05...@ascc.artsci.wustl.edu:
> >>
> >>
> >>>See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> >>>What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by
> >>>the door?
> >>>
> >>>Michael Hamm
> >>>TO something
> >>
> >>gustatory comestibles
> >>
> >
> >
> > Would you recognize an adults vice not normaly
> > associared with sandwichean comestibles? Given
> > the location of this pub, it might be worth looking into.
>
> whist playing
>
> whist gambling

n.b. the second word *is* victuals.

Adrian
T.O.P.


Rick Wotnaz

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Sep 18, 2005, 11:17:54 AM9/18/05
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"Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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So ...

whist victuals
gaming victuals
JemmyTwitcher's(c) victuals
gambling victuals


--
rzed

Paul Wolff

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Sep 18, 2005, 11:11:25 AM9/18/05
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In message <6bfXe.1751$Rv1...@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Adrian Bailey
<da...@hotmail.com> writes
Gourmet victuals.
--
Paul
In bocca al Lupo!

Philip Eden

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Sep 18, 2005, 12:28:21 PM9/18/05
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"Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Montagu's victuals

pe


CDB

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Sep 18, 2005, 1:27:05 PM9/18/05
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"Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote in message
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smoking victuals


Richard Maurer

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Sep 18, 2005, 2:13:12 PM9/18/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?

Ante Victuals

William

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Sep 18, 2005, 2:30:58 PM9/18/05
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Richard Maurer wrote:
> Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been
> blanked out on the sign by the door?

Marine Victuals

--
WH

Mickwick

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Sep 18, 2005, 1:29:13 PM9/18/05
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In alt.usage.english, CDB wrote:

>smoking victuals

Eponymous victuals.

--
Mickwick

Pat Durkin

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Sep 18, 2005, 3:53:10 PM9/18/05
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"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.58.05...@ascc.artsci.wustl.edu...

> See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
> What are the two words that have been blanked out on the sign by the door?
>
> Michael Hamm
> TO something
>
Lodgings, Victuals


Richard Maurer

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Sep 18, 2005, 5:09:07 PM9/18/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?

Societal Victuals

Jitze Couperus

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Sep 18, 2005, 5:47:13 PM9/18/05
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Whew - I snuck an anagram in there which I thought looked rather
obvious, but as of closing time it appears that nobody spotted it...

So consider the above clue repeated, but with the word
"scrambled" or "re-arranged" somewhere in the first sentence.
That's what the boys at the Times or the Telegraph would have
done I think. But it's been a while

Jitze

Jitze

Rich Ragan

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Sep 18, 2005, 5:55:21 PM9/18/05
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noted victuals

Anne McGuire

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Sep 18, 2005, 5:59:59 PM9/18/05
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In article <dnlXe.723$Ba2...@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
Rich Ragan <Rich....@dontMailMe.com> wrote:

manorly victuals

--
Anne McGuire

Paul Wolff

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Sep 18, 2005, 5:56:32 PM9/18/05
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In message <432ddf8a....@news.znet.com>, Jitze Couperus
<couperus-e...@znet.com> writes
Noted Victuals.

the Omrud

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Sep 18, 2005, 6:00:01 PM9/18/05
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Jitze Couperus spake thusly:

Lunatics Saved. No, that can't be it.
Dean Victuals, Valued Antics, Dane Victuals

--
David
=====
replace usenet with the

William

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Sep 18, 2005, 6:01:01 PM9/18/05
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Jitze Couperus wrote:
> Whew - I snuck an anagram in there which I thought looked rather
> obvious, but as of closing time it appears that nobody spotted it...
>
> So consider the above clue repeated, but with the word
> "scrambled" or "re-arranged" somewhere in the first sentence.
> That's what the boys at the Times or the Telegraph would have
> done I think. But it's been a while

Noted Victuals

--
WH

Dadge

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Sep 18, 2005, 6:38:46 PM9/18/05
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Rich Ragan wrote:

> Jitze Couperus wrote:
> > Whew - I snuck an anagram in there which I thought looked rather
> > obvious, but as of closing time it appears that nobody spotted it...
> >
> > So consider the above clue repeated, but with the word
> > "scrambled" or "re-arranged" somewhere in the first sentence.
> > That's what the boys at the Times or the Telegraph would have
> > done I think. But it's been a while
> >
> > Jitze
>
> noted victuals

Thank you! Did you like my subtler clue?

Adrian
T.O.P.

Richard Maurer

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Sep 18, 2005, 6:54:37 PM9/18/05
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Panello Michael Hamm wrote:
See http://dax.wustl.edu/~msh210/sdc_ab3.jpg
What are the two words that have been
blanked out on the sign by the door?

Matrimonal Victuals

Jitze Couperus

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Sep 18, 2005, 7:33:33 PM9/18/05
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>noted victuals

Sheepmeister! Even though it is past the witching hour in Greenwich,
and only when I opened the kimono to a positively indecent extent,
did we get us three horses neck and neck...

According to what I see here - Rich Ragan at 2.55, Paul Wollf at
2.56 and William at 3.01

So whether this qualifies for sheep or not I will leave to the
Solomonic judgement of l'orkeur des moutons.

But at least folks can see the long-sought-for answer now.

Jitze

Mark Brader

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Sep 18, 2005, 8:12:50 PM9/18/05
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Jitze Couperus writes:
> Sheepmeister! Even though it is past the witching hour in Greenwich...

Local time in Greenwich wasn't the relevant criterion -- the specified
deadline was 24:00 Greenwich *Mean* Time, or about 13 minutes ago as
I post, and 27 minutes *after* Jitze's posting.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "One thing that surprises you about this business
m...@vex.net | is the surprises." -- Tim Baker

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