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Marius Hancu
Feb 28, 2021, 8:41:13 AM2/28/21
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Hello,
~~~
[1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
thought wise, that they may be a rod.
[2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
the crow.
[3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
[4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
~~~
Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
Does [2] mean, the eagle agreed to learn _about_ the crow, e.g. its
manner of flying, but that didn't help the eagle, for that manner was
inferior to its own.
Does [3] mean, the wrathful tigers are wiser than the learned horses?
Does [4] mean, being grateful leads to receiving more, a more generous
share of the harvest?
Thanks.
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[1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
thought wise, that they may be a rod.
[2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
the crow.
[3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
[4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
~~~
Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
Does [2] mean, the eagle agreed to learn _about_ the crow, e.g. its
manner of flying, but that didn't help the eagle, for that manner was
inferior to its own.
Does [3] mean, the wrathful tigers are wiser than the learned horses?
Does [4] mean, being grateful leads to receiving more, a more generous
share of the harvest?
Thanks.
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Marius Hancu
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Jerry Friedman
Feb 28, 2021, 9:06:58 AM2/28/21
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On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 6:41:13 AM UTC-7, Marius Hancu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> ~~~
> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
>
> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
> the crow.
>
> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
>
> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
>
> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
> ~~~
>
>
> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
A thin branch used to whip people. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son:
> Hello,
>
> ~~~
> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
>
> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
> the crow.
>
> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
>
> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
>
> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
> ~~~
>
>
> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." Prov. 13:24
> Does [2] mean, the eagle agreed to learn _about_ the crow, e.g. its
> manner of flying, but that didn't help the eagle, for that manner was
> inferior to its own.
crow be its teacher.
> Does [3] mean, the wrathful tigers are wiser than the learned horses?
decisions than what one has been taught does.
> Does [4] mean, being grateful leads to receiving more, a more generous
> share of the harvest?
the person who is grateful for God's gifts gets a lot from God?
It doesn't quite seem to come from Hell as much as the other examples.
--
Jerry Friedman
Marius Hancu
Feb 28, 2021, 9:57:54 AM2/28/21
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Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>
>> ~~~
>> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
>> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
>>
>> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
>> the crow.
>>
>> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
>>
>> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
>>
>> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
>> ~~~
>>
>>
>> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
>
> A thin branch used to whip people. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son:
> but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." Prov. 13:24
I thought about this one, but still can't make out
>>
>> ~~~
>> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
>> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
>>
>> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
>> the crow.
>>
>> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
>>
>> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
>>
>> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
>> ~~~
>>
>>
>> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
>
> A thin branch used to whip people. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son:
> but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." Prov. 13:24
"that they may be a rod" and the proverb.
>
>> Does [2] mean, the eagle agreed to learn _about_ the crow, e.g. its
>> manner of flying, but that didn't help the eagle, for that manner was
>> inferior to its own.
>
> That's the idea, I think, but in particular I think it means the eagle let the
> crow be its teacher.
>
>> Does [3] mean, the wrathful tigers are wiser than the learned horses?
>
> I'm guessing it means anger (at evil) leads to more wisdom and better
> decisions than what one has been taught does.
>
>> Does [4] mean, being grateful leads to receiving more, a more generous
>> share of the harvest?
>
> Or the farmer who is grateful for God's gifts gets a good harvest, that is,
> the person who is grateful for God's gifts gets a lot from God?
>
> It doesn't quite seem to come from Hell as much as the other examples.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=BNyEDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA186&dq=%22The+thankful+reciever+bears+a+plentiful+harvest.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDpNeK64zvAhVyTt8KHURWDsIQ6AEwAXoECAQQAg#v=onepage&q=%22The%20thankful%20reciever%20bears%20a%20plentiful%20harvest.%22&f=false
Peter T. Daniels
Feb 28, 2021, 11:27:18 AM2/28/21
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On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 9:57:54 AM UTC-5, Marius Hancu wrote:
> Jerry Friedman wrote:
[no, Marius Hancu wrote]
probably most well known poem, "The Tyger." In interpreting all the
"proverbs" it's probably a good idea to see what he said when he was
being somewhat less gnomic.
> Jerry Friedman wrote:
[no, Marius Hancu wrote]
> >> ~~~
> >> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
> >> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
> >>
> >> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
> >> the crow.
> >>
> >> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
> >>
> >> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
> >>
> >> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
> >> ~~~
> >> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
> >
> > A thin branch used to whip people. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son:
> > but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." Prov. 13:24
> I thought about this one, but still can't make out
> "that they may be a rod" and the proverb.
> >
> >> Does [2] mean, the eagle agreed to learn _about_ the crow, e.g. its
> >> manner of flying, but that didn't help the eagle, for that manner was
> >> inferior to its own.
> >
> > That's the idea, I think, but in particular I think it means the eagle let the
> > crow be its teacher.
> >
> >> Does [3] mean, the wrathful tigers are wiser than the learned horses?
You probably can't separate anything Blake says about tygers from his
> >> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
> >> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
> >>
> >> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
> >> the crow.
> >>
> >> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
> >>
> >> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
> >>
> >> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
> >> ~~~
> >> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
> >
> > A thin branch used to whip people. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son:
> > but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." Prov. 13:24
> I thought about this one, but still can't make out
> "that they may be a rod" and the proverb.
> >
> >> Does [2] mean, the eagle agreed to learn _about_ the crow, e.g. its
> >> manner of flying, but that didn't help the eagle, for that manner was
> >> inferior to its own.
> >
> > That's the idea, I think, but in particular I think it means the eagle let the
> > crow be its teacher.
> >
> >> Does [3] mean, the wrathful tigers are wiser than the learned horses?
probably most well known poem, "The Tyger." In interpreting all the
"proverbs" it's probably a good idea to see what he said when he was
being somewhat less gnomic.
CDB
Feb 28, 2021, 11:40:28 AM2/28/21
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On 2/28/2021 8:41 AM, Marius Hancu wrote:
> Hello,
> ~~~ [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall
> be both thought wise, that they may be a rod.
>
> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn
> of the crow.
>
> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
>
> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
>
> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and
> Hell" ~~~
> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
I agree with Jerry that "rod" here is an instrument of punishment. They
> Hello,
> ~~~ [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall
> be both thought wise, that they may be a rod.
>
> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn
> of the crow.
>
> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
>
> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
>
> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and
> Hell" ~~~
> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
have made a rod for their backs.
>
> Does [2] mean, the eagle agreed to learn _about_ the crow, e.g. its
> manner of flying, but that didn't help the eagle, for that manner was
> inferior to its own.
I think we would say "learn from" these days. In one of the arias in
> Does [2] mean, the eagle agreed to learn _about_ the crow, e.g. its
> manner of flying, but that didn't help the eagle, for that manner was
> inferior to its own.
_Messiah_, there is the line "Take His yoke upon you and learn of Him".
No doubt that is often understood as "learn about him", but I think it
means "take him as your teacher".
> Does [3] mean, the wrathful tigers are wiser than the learned
> horses?
obedience, Hell is energy. Those proverbs are the proverbs of energy,
and favour it over obedience. Consider "Tyger, Tyger, burning bright*"
and "A horse misused upon the road**"
https://www.bartleby.com/235/253.html
> Does [4] mean, being grateful leads to receiving more, a more
> generous share of the harvest?
words, so God rewards prayers".
__________________________________________________________________
* Did He who made the Lamb make thee? (Songs of Experience)
** Calls to Heaven for human blood. (Auguries of Innocence)
Ken Blake
Feb 28, 2021, 1:32:13 PM2/28/21
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On 2/28/2021 6:41 AM, Marius Hancu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> ~~~
> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
>
> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
> the crow.
>
> [3] The tygers of wrath
Are those the ones that burn bright?
> Hello,
>
> ~~~
> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
>
> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
> the crow.
>
> [3] The tygers of wrath
> are wiser than the horses of instruction.
Ken
Jerry Friedman
Feb 28, 2021, 1:46:40 PM2/28/21
to
On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 7:57:54 AM UTC-7, Marius Hancu wrote:
> Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
> >>
> >> ~~~
> >> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
> >> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
> >>
> >> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
> >> the crow.
> >>
> >> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
> >>
> >> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
> >>
> >> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
> >> ~~~
> >>
> >>
> >> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
> >
> > A thin branch used to whip people. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son:
> > but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." Prov. 13:24
> I thought about this one, but still can't make out
> "that they may be a rod" and the proverb.
In order for them to be an instrument of punishment and correction. God (or
> Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
> >>
> >> ~~~
> >> [1] The selfish smiling fool, & the sullen frowning fool, shall be both
> >> thought wise, that they may be a rod.
> >>
> >> [2] The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of
> >> the crow.
> >>
> >> [3] The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
> >>
> >> [4]The thankful reciever bears a plentiful harvest.
> >>
> >> William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, from "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
> >> ~~~
> >>
> >>
> >> Which is the meaning of "rod" in [1]?
> >
> > A thin branch used to whip people. "He that spareth his rod hateth his son:
> > but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." Prov. 13:24
> I thought about this one, but still can't make out
> "that they may be a rod" and the proverb.
somebody) with cause those men to considered wise in order to chastise the
people.
...
> >> Does [4] mean, being grateful leads to receiving more, a more generous
> >> share of the harvest?
> >
> > Or the farmer who is grateful for God's gifts gets a good harvest, that is,
> > the person who is grateful for God's gifts gets a lot from God?
> >
>
> > It doesn't quite seem to come from Hell as much as the other examples.
> It's there:
>
> https://books.google.ca/books?id=BNyEDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA186&dq=%22The+thankful+reciever+bears+a+plentiful+harvest.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDpNeK64zvAhVyTt8KHURWDsIQ6AEwAXoECAQQAg#v=onepage&q=%22The%20thankful%20reciever%20bears%20a%20plentiful%20harvest.%22&f=false
Maybe the thankful receiver rewards the giver? Because gratitude is enough
of a reward?
--
Jerry Friedman
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