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Nick
you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were selling "burger
buns" and "hotdog rolls".
They were also selling "Jazz™" apples.
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William
> I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I thought
> you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were selling "burger
> buns" and "hotdog rolls".
I didn't join the "American foodstuffs" thread, since its title
suggested a regional nature to the enquiry, but the above has always
been my only possible terminology for that usage of those bread-items.
> They were also selling "Jazz™" apples.
Where they all over the shop?
--
WH
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<3-no...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I thought
>you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were selling "burger
>buns" and "hotdog rolls".
>
>They were also selling "Jazz�" apples.
http://www.orangepippin.com/apples/jazz.aspx
Jazz is a modern apple variety, developed in New Zealand in the
1980s. It is a cross between two other major apple varieties -
Braeburn and Gala. Not surprisingly it has a lot of "shelf appeal",
being a medium size, and with a very attractive appearance. It is
marketed as a "bi-coloured" apple, because the strong red/marroon
colour is broken up by areas of green / yellow / orange. It tends to
attract a premium price.
....
Jazz is grown in New Zealand, France, and Washington state in the
USA, with most commercial plantings only starting in 2000. Like a
number of modern varieties it is trade-marked, and was developed in
conjunction with a marketing agency - Enzafruit - which controls
planting and marketing internationally. "Jazz" is actually a
trademarked brand name, the variety name is Scifresh.
....
January 2008 update. Jazz has a new sibling - Kanzi! Read our
review of Kanzi apple, including comparative photo.
December 2008 update. First UK-grown Jazz apples available. We'd
like to congratulate UK grower S. Elworthy for a very creditable
first crop inspite of a worse than usual summer. The appearance and
taste are perhaps not - quite - up to the quality of French-sourced
Jazz apples - but crucially they do have "that" flavour.
May 2009 update. New Zealand-grown Jazz apples available, good
texture and strong peardrop flavour - very satisfying.
<apples and all that jazz>
Why not sign-up to our free monthly newsletter to keep up to date
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Nick
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:36:20 +0000, Nick
> <3-no...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I thought
>>you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were selling "burger
>>buns" and "hotdog rolls".
>>
>>They were also selling "Jazz™" apples.
>
> http://www.orangepippin.com/apples/jazz.aspx
>
> Jazz is a modern apple variety, developed in New Zealand in the
> 1980s. It is a cross between two other major apple varieties -
> Braeburn and Gala. Not surprisingly it has a lot of "shelf appeal",
> being a medium size, and with a very attractive appearance. It is
> marketed as a "bi-coloured" apple, because the strong red/marroon
> colour is broken up by areas of green / yellow / orange. It tends to
> attract a premium price.
Well well. I posted this because of the previous question on whether
everything new is called "Jazz". But that makes them sound really quite
attractive - I like both the parent strains.
tony cooper
<wil...@lowerknowle.com> wrote:
>On 4 Nov, 19:36, Nick <3-nos...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>> I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I thought
>> you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were selling "burger
>> buns" and "hotdog rolls".
>
>I didn't join the "American foodstuffs" thread, since its title
>suggested a regional nature to the enquiry, but the above has always
>been my only possible terminology for that usage of those bread-items.
Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
LFS
They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from vans
which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an
unusually classy-looking example:
http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121-hotdogvan.jpg
Ugh, now I shall have Stuck Smell Syndrome if I don't think about
something different.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
tsuidf
> tony cooper wrote:
> > Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>
> They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from vans
> which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an
> unusually classy-looking example:http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121-hotdogvan.jpg
>
> Ugh, now I shall have Stuck Smell Syndrome if I don't think about
> something different.
Quick, here's a cup of tea and a chocolate finger!
hope it helps,
Stephanie
LFS
How very kind. All I need now is the port. (See
http://alt-usage-english.org/boink_may05/index.html)
tsuidf
> tsuidf wrote:
> > Quick, here's a cup of tea and a chocolate finger!
>
> > hope it helps,
> > Stephanie
>
> How very kind. All I need now is the port. (Seehttp://alt-usage-english.org/boink_may05/index.html)
Gosh, most impressive. Am pretty certain I'd be much much better at
the technique for speaking on the phone.
Peter Moylan
> I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I thought
> you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were selling "burger
> buns" and "hotdog rolls".
>
> They were also selling "Jazz™" apples.
You're jazzing me.
--
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For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Prai Jei
space-time continuum:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:36:20 +0000, Nick
> <3-no...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I thought
>>you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were selling "burger
>>buns" and "hotdog rolls".
>>
>>They were also selling "Jazz™" apples.
>
> http://www.orangepippin.com/apples/jazz.aspx
>
> Jazz is a modern apple variety, developed in New Zealand in the
> 1980s.
I would prefer the more classical varieties myself.
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Evan Kirshenbaum
Having seen the things sold as "hot dogs" in London, I can't picture
them being eaten, either.
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John Varela
<la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> tony cooper wrote:
> > Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
> >
>
> They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from vans
> which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an
> unusually classy-looking example:
> http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121-hotdogvan.jpg
Is the skirt on the van typical of UK usage?
--
John Varela
Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email
Robin Bignall
<kirsh...@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
>tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:01:40 -0800 (PST), William
>> <wil...@lowerknowle.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4 Nov, 19:36, Nick <3-nos...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I
>>>> thought you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were
>>>> selling "burger buns" and "hotdog rolls".
>>>
>>>I didn't join the "American foodstuffs" thread, since its title
>>>suggested a regional nature to the enquiry, but the above has always
>>>been my only possible terminology for that usage of those
>>>bread-items.
>>
>> Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>
>Having seen the things sold as "hot dogs" in London, I can't picture
>them being eaten, either.
Friends of mine let out their field for a clay pigeon shoot every
other Sunday and run a successful burger stall. They supply fried
onions and sausages but nobody's ever asked for a hot dog.
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England
Richard Chambers
> <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> tony cooper wrote:
>
>> > Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>> >
>>
>> They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from vans
>> which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an
>> unusually classy-looking example:
>> http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121-hotdogvan.jpg
>
> Is the skirt on the van typical of UK usage?
No, the skirt is unusual, but gives the van a touch of class, don't you
agree?
Along some main roads, but not on others, every other layby seems to have a
van or a scruffy temporary hut selling "Burgers, Hot Dogs". The clientele
consists mostly of lorry drivers. The proprietors of the huts are
undoubtedly the most patriotic Britishers you will find anywhere, because
they usually instal a line of half-a-dozen-or-so Union Jack flags (often
with some flying upside down) spaced at 20m intervals along the roadside on
the approach to the layby. Of course, being quintessentially British, they
also sell cups of tea in plastic mugs. Which roads have these huts, and
which do not, is determined by the level of police activity aimed at closing
them down. Urban legend (which I have not tried to confirm by independent
research) asserts that they nearly all fail to reach the standards of public
health hygiene required by the law, and that that is the reason why the
police in some areas are actively shutting them down. The police in other
areas can't be arsed, I suppose.
I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try everything that
life has to offer (except that I draw the line at hard drugs, Morris Dancing
and jellied eels, none of which will I ever try). Be that as it may, at 67
years of age I have never yet been a customer at one of these roadside huts.
Susan and I were discussing this serious deficiency in both our lives a
couple of weeks ago, as we were driving along the A65 Leeds - Kendal road on
our way back home from a weekend in the Lake District. This stretch of road
has an unusually large number of burger huts along its length. We have
agreed that we will stop and buy a cup of tea (and if we feel really brave,
a burger) at one of these huts the next time we go to the Lake District.
When we eventually do so, I shall write a full report on our experiences and
post it on aue.
Richard Chambers Leeds UK.
William
> Having seen the things sold as "hot dogs" in London, I can't picture
> them being eaten, either.
If I wanted a hotdog in Central London, this is where I'd go:
http://www.thegourmethotdogcompany.co.uk/menu_ours.aspx
--
WH
Steve Hayes
<richard.cham...@ntlworld.net> wrote:
>Along some main roads, but not on others, every other layby seems to have a
>van or a scruffy temporary hut selling "Burgers, Hot Dogs". The clientele
>consists mostly of lorry drivers. The proprietors of the huts are
>undoubtedly the most patriotic Britishers you will find anywhere, because
>they usually instal a line of half-a-dozen-or-so Union Jack flags (often
>with some flying upside down) spaced at 20m intervals along the roadside on
>the approach to the layby. Of course, being quintessentially British, they
>also sell cups of tea in plastic mugs. Which roads have these huts, and
>which do not, is determined by the level of police activity aimed at closing
>them down. Urban legend (which I have not tried to confirm by independent
>research) asserts that they nearly all fail to reach the standards of public
>health hygiene required by the law, and that that is the reason why the
>police in some areas are actively shutting them down. The police in other
>areas can't be arsed, I suppose.
We stopped at one early on a Sunday morning in Wales, and were interested to
discovere that the sole proprietor and cook was a South Africa. We were
chatting about things back home when another customer (BrE=punter) came along
and ordered "Best and mushrooms". Blank looks all round. Then he explained:
Bacon, Eggs, Sausage and Tomato. We've called it "best" ever since.
--
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E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Mark Brader
> > Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
> Having seen the things sold as "hot dogs" in London, I can't picture
> them being eaten, either.
(rimshot)
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LFS
[..]
> I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try everything that
> life has to offer (except that I draw the line at hard drugs, Morris Dancing
> and jellied eels, none of which will I ever try). Be that as it may, at 67
> years of age I have never yet been a customer at one of these roadside huts.
> Susan and I were discussing this serious deficiency in both our lives a
> couple of weeks ago, as we were driving along the A65 Leeds - Kendal road on
> our way back home from a weekend in the Lake District. This stretch of road
> has an unusually large number of burger huts along its length. We have
> agreed that we will stop and buy a cup of tea (and if we feel really brave,
> a burger) at one of these huts the next time we go to the Lake District.
> When we eventually do so, I shall write a full report on our experiences and
> post it on aue.
>
My goodness, that's brave. There is an aue award for that sort of
courage - see GG for "Battered Creme Eggs" from 1999, a classic thread
worth reading in its entirety.
R H Draney
>
>Tony Cooper:
>> > Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>
>Evan Kirshenbaum:
>> Having seen the things sold as "hot dogs" in London, I can't picture
>> them being eaten, either.
>
>(rimshot)
This may add a layer of resonance to a scene in the movie "The Magic
Christian"...Guy Grand (Peter Sellers) leans out a train window to ask a vendor
on the platform for "a hot doggie", and the vendor makes fun of him....r
--
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty.
An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?...or like this?
the Omrud
> I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try everything that
> life has to offer (except that I draw the line at hard drugs, Morris Dancing
> and jellied eels, none of which will I ever try). Be that as it may, at 67
> years of age I have never yet been a customer at one of these roadside huts.
> Susan and I were discussing this serious deficiency in both our lives a
> couple of weeks ago, as we were driving along the A65 Leeds - Kendal road on
> our way back home from a weekend in the Lake District. This stretch of road
> has an unusually large number of burger huts along its length. We have
> agreed that we will stop and buy a cup of tea (and if we feel really brave,
> a burger) at one of these huts the next time we go to the Lake District.
> When we eventually do so, I shall write a full report on our experiences and
> post it on aue.
I would eschew (and do not chew) the burger, which is pre-made and could
contain anything. A bacon sandwich, OTOH, is often simply prepared in
your sight and is often delicious from one of these place.
The van in the lay-by at the end of our main road, where it meets the
motorway, is a favourite stopping place for our local police - there's
usually one or two cars there in the morning when I pass by.
--
David
James Hogg
And we expect this report to be poetically inspired by your visit to
Wordsworth Country, along the following lines:
Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle in the galaxy,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the B6253:
Ten thousand saw I, more perhaps,
Selling their tea and meat in baps.
Let's hope you can do better than that.
--
James
Mike Lyle
> tony cooper wrote:
[...]
>>
>> Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>>
>
> They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from vans
> which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an
> unusually classy-looking example:
> http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121-hotdogvan.jpg
>
> Ugh, now I shall have Stuck Smell Syndrome if I don't think about
> something different.
It's important to warn the innocent traveller that the only sane reason
for trying to eat a British hot dog is imminent death from starvation.
They are ineffable, but I'll have a go at effing them, as follows.
The cheapest imaginable imitation frankfurter*, concocted out of
animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food trade,
gently boiled until slimy, then allowed to cool somewhat, is placed
reverently in a squashy roll made a couple of days previously out of a
substance that makes Mother's Pride seem like bread; they do something I
can't quite work out, but unpleasant, to some sliced onions out of a
tin, and put those on top of the sausage-like thing; the diner is then
offered red, brown, and yellow sauces out of plastic squirters, and
relieved of an absurdly large amount of money. There is, of course, no
plate: instead, there is a square of tracing-paper rather shorter than
the completed delicacy. Salad, you say? What on earth for?
There is an Icelandic variant, which is pretty well the same, but costs
even more, and is served with sugar.
*In Australia, where breath is expensive, these are known as
"Frankfurts".
--
Mike.
James Hogg
Hey, they're the best in town, and were even selected by the Grauniad as
the best in Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A6jarins_Beztu_Pylsur
--
James
Peter Moylan
What do you mean, a large amount of money? At this price I'm cutting me
own throat.
Mike Lyle
> Mike Lyle wrote:
[...]
>>
>> It's important to warn the innocent traveller that the only sane
>> reason for trying to eat a British hot dog is imminent death from
>> starvation. They are ineffable, but I'll have a go at effing them, as
>> follows.
>>
>> The cheapest imaginable imitation frankfurter*, concocted out of
>> animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food trade,
>> gently boiled until slimy, then allowed to cool somewhat, is placed
>> reverently in a squashy roll made a couple of days previously out of
>> a substance that makes Mother's Pride seem like bread; they do
>> something I can't quite work out, but unpleasant, to some sliced
>> onions out of a tin, and put those on top of the sausage-like thing;
>> the diner is then offered red, brown, and yellow sauces out of
>> plastic squirters, and relieved of an absurdly large amount of money.
>> There is, of course, no plate: instead, there is a square of
>> tracing-paper rather shorter than the completed delicacy. Salad, you
>> say? What on earth for?
>>
>> There is an Icelandic variant, which is pretty well the same, but
>> costs even more, and is served with sugar.
>
> Hey, they're the best in town, and were even selected by the Grauniad
> as the best in Europe:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A6jarins_Beztu_Pylsur
Yep, that's the stand I tried. I was also bought one in H�fn which
didn't seem any different, but I really was weak with hunger and very
cold, so I finished that one. The Grauniad must have sent their football
correspondent to do the review.
--
Mike.
Steve Hayes
<mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>The cheapest imaginable imitation frankfurter*, concocted out of
>animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food trade,
I'm rather partial to animal-bottom (aka rump) steak.
James Hogg
Maybe they served you the deep-fried Mars bar by mistake.
--
James
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
Among famous people who have eaten at B�jarins beztu are Bill
Clinton, former president of the United States...
The woman who served Clinton still regularly works at the stand,
with a photo and caricature of Clinton being served on the back
wall.
Sorry folks - the words "caricature", "Clinton" and "served" conjured up
an image of Clinton, his hotdog and Monica Lewinsky.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
James Hogg
It depends what you mean by "hotdog".
--
James
Tyngewick
--
TG
Django Cat
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:01:40 -0800 (PST), William
> <wil...@lowerknowle.com> wrote:
>
> >On 4 Nov, 19:36, Nick <3-nos...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
> >> I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I
> thought >> you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were
> selling "burger >> buns" and "hotdog rolls".
> >
> > I didn't join the "American foodstuffs" thread, since its title
> > suggested a regional nature to the enquiry, but the above has always
> > been my only possible terminology for that usage of those
> > bread-items.
>
> Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
That may be because many Americans would associate ball game
iconigraphy with hot dogs. Or not, what do I know?
However, for many of us hot dogs are the high point of a visit to IKEA.
DC
--
tony cooper
wrote:
For you, maybe. I look forward to IKEA's cinnamon rolls. Sticky
buns. It's one of the few shopping destinations with my wife that I
agree to because of them.
http://www.ikeafans.com/home/tag/ikea-cinnamon-rolls.html
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Jerry Friedman
> On 4 Nov, 19:36, Nick <3-nos...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I thought
> > you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were selling "burger
> > buns" and "hotdog rolls".
>
> I didn't join the "American foodstuffs" thread, since its title
> suggested a regional nature to the enquiry, but the above has always
> been my only possible terminology for that usage of those bread-items.
This is what it was about. Though I was particularly interested in
American terms for these bread-items, I thank you and Nick for your
contributions. It may not be a coincidence that people on our East
Coast used the same terms as you do.
--
Jerry Friedman
CDB
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:59:07 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The cheapest imaginable imitation frankfurter*, concocted out of
>> animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food
>> trade,
>
> I'm rather partial to animal-bottom (aka rump) steak.
>
stayed with me features Greg Malone staring into the camera and
intoning "Any food can cause Bad Breath, even the rectal tissue of
cows, or 'bologna', as you know it."
Django Cat
> Along some main roads, but not on others, every other layby seems to
> have a van or a scruffy temporary hut selling "Burgers, Hot Dogs".
> The clientele consists mostly of lorry drivers. The proprietors of
> the huts are undoubtedly the most patriotic Britishers you will find
> anywhere, because they usually instal a line of half-a-dozen-or-so
> Union Jack flags (often with some flying upside down) spaced at 20m
> intervals along the roadside on the approach to the layby.
All along the A55 North Wales expressway it's Welsh Dragon flags. It's
a lot harder to fly those upside down...
> Of course,
> being quintessentially British, they also sell cups of tea in plastic
> mugs.
Often they serve tea in china mugs, good for keeping hands warm on a
chilly morning. Patrons return the mugs to the counter when they've
finished.
>Which roads have these huts, and which do not, is determined by
> the level of police activity aimed at closing them down.
I'm pretty certain chuck wagons are regulated by the local council and
have to pass the usual public health rules. The ones near here are a
very useful amenity and many have been around for as long as I've been
driving.
>Urban
> legend (which I have not tried to confirm by independent research)
> asserts that they nearly all fail to reach the standards of public
> health hygiene required by the law, and that that is the reason why
> the police in some areas are actively shutting them down.
I've not seen evidence of any of that, maybe it happens in other parts
of the country, but I do travel a lot.
> The police
> in other areas can't be arsed, I suppose.
I think if there's any issue of public health or health and safety the
local authority (rather than the Police) generally move like greased
lightening (as it were).
>
> I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try everything
> that life has to offer (except that I draw the line at hard drugs,
> Morris Dancing and jellied eels, none of which will I ever try).
Well, I thought it was Oscar Wilde that said 'try everything once
except incest and country dancing', but now I've Googled it I'm not so
sure.
>Be
> that as it may, at 67 years of age I have never yet been a customer
> at one of these roadside huts. Susan and I were discussing this
> serious deficiency in both our lives a couple of weeks ago, as we
> were driving along the A65 Leeds - Kendal road on our way back home
> from a weekend in the Lake District. This stretch of road has an
> unusually large number of burger huts along its length. We have
> agreed that we will stop and buy a cup of tea (and if we feel really
> brave, a burger) at one of these huts the next time we go to the Lake
> District. When we eventually do so, I shall write a full report on
> our experiences and post it on aue.
>
Richard, with enormous respect I think you're being over cautious and a
little unfair. I'd way rather stop at an independent, family-run chuck
wagon or truck stop than pay through the nose in one of the awful
Little Chef chain restaurants or, God forbid, a motorway services, both
places I loath. I've never once been to a roadside place that's dirty,
and the food is usually plain and simple, and can often be very good,
with home cooked pies and cakes. There's also usually a lot of
good-natured banter going on with regulars (yes, lots of lorry drivers
and all sorts of other travellers too). Setting out on a long journey
early in the day on a cold morning I take a real pleasure in stopping
off for breakfast after the first hour - a bacon barm and a mug of tea
maybe - and then going on with the journey. There's a couple of
especially good stops as you come down the A57 Woodhead Pass and and
then onto the Stocksbridge bypass - all last bastions of free
independent enterprise before hours of being the target of corporate
greed in M1 service stations on my drive to London. Embrace the day
and give a chuck wagon a try, Richard, a whole new world awaits you.
DC
--
Django Cat
They sound great, but I wonder if IKEA is the same in the US as here?
There's always a counter after the checkout that just sells Hot Dogs
(veggie or carniverous), coffee and soft drinks and chips/fries, and
possibly ice cream. Cinnamon rolls may be around in the restaurant or
the Swedish food shop, but I've not encountered them
DC
--
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
>I think if there's any issue of public health or health and safety the
>local authority (rather than the Police) generally move like greased
>lightening (as it were).
That would be "greased lightening" as opposed to the alternative food
additive "gritty darkening".
James Hogg
They're in aisle 37 in the Warrington branch. You have to assemble them
yourself.
--
James
Roland Hutchinson
> for many of us hot dogs are the high point of a visit to IKEA.
Wot no meatballs?
--
Roland Hutchinson
He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )
Paul Wolff
>On Nov 4, 10:51�pm, LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>> tsuidf wrote:
>
>> > Quick, here's a cup of tea and a chocolate finger!
>>
>> > hope it helps,
>> > Stephanie
>>
>> How very kind. All I need now is the port.
>>(Seehttp://alt-usage-english.org/boink_may05/index.html)
>
>
>Gosh, most impressive. Am pretty certain I'd be much much better at
>the technique for speaking on the phone.
It's a knack, You've either got it, or you haven't.
--
Paul
Just back from a seminar at which harsh words were spoken of Neelie and DG
Comp.
Chuck Riggs
Outside the country's borders, I suspect it is nigh impossible to
enjoy the flavour of a typical American bacon, lettuce and tomato
sandwich (a BLT, as they are called there), unless you have access to
American whole wheat bread, American mayonnaise, preferably Hellman's,
which is possible, and, most especially and with the greatest
difficulty of all, American bacon, fat and all. After many years of
trying, I have not even come close to duplicating them, using Irish
ingredients, which I find a little surprising.
--
Regards,
Chuck Riggs,
An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
Chuck Riggs
<kirsh...@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
>tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:01:40 -0800 (PST), William
>> <wil...@lowerknowle.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4 Nov, 19:36, Nick <3-nos...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> I can't find the relevant place in the appropriate thread, but I
>>>> thought you'd appreciate knowing that Sainsbury's today were
>>>> selling "burger buns" and "hotdog rolls".
>>>
>>>I didn't join the "American foodstuffs" thread, since its title
>>>suggested a regional nature to the enquiry, but the above has always
>>>been my only possible terminology for that usage of those
>>>bread-items.
>>
>> Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>
>Having seen the things sold as "hot dogs" in London, I can't picture
>them being eaten, either.
The best I've eaten are found in Munich.
tony cooper
wrote:
While I am willing to go to IKEA because of the lure of the cinnamon
rolls, I've only been there twice. Its clear on the other side of
town, and my wife combines trips to IKEA with shopping forays to the
big Millenia Mall* in the same area. That's a deal breaker for me.
IKEA, here, has a food court that my wife says offers some tasty
dishes. Near the check-out lanes, there are booths that sell the
cinnamon rolls, Swedish meatballs (for some reason, a featured item at
IKEA), coffee, and some other goodies. By the time we check out, I'm
ready to bolt so I haven't paid attention to what the other goodies
are.
I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice on
what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice. However,
I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you, buy it" school.
She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be something better around
the next corner" school. She simply does not understand buying the
first thing seen that works, but she will often circle back and buy
that very thing.
* The name and spelling, as they do it, is "The Mall at Millenia".
the Omrud
> IKEA, here, has a food court that my wife says offers some tasty
> dishes. Near the check-out lanes, there are booths that sell the
> cinnamon rolls, Swedish meatballs (for some reason, a featured item at
> IKEA),
Quite right. Swedish meatballs are well worth the trip. They're closer
to a sausage than an Italian meatball, and they are very good.
--
David
William
> However, for many of us hot dogs are the high point of a visit to IKEA.
For me, Punschrulle are the high-point of a visit to IKEA.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tifty/114802890/
--
WH
JimboCat
> The van in the lay-by at the end of our main road, where it meets the
> motorway, is a favourite stopping place for our local police - there's
> usually one or two cars there in the morning when I pass by.
Last June in Rio, spouse and I wandered for some time trying to find
the right little local dining spot for some real Brazilian food. Found
a place filled with what appeared to be locals and sat down. Our
choice was validated a few minutes later when a police car drove up,
and without their having to order anything, food was brought out to
them by the staff. Didn't see whether they paid for it <g>.
Further validation ensued once our food arrived at the table.
General observations about Brazilian food: they have real cheese
(local pizza place was an eye-opener), exotic fruit, and the best meat
anywhere (I'm 90% vegetarian, but ate more meat during two weeks than
I usually have in a year).
Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
--
Karma Repair Kit: Items 1-4
1. Get enough food to eat,
and eat it.
2. Find a place to sleep where it is quiet,
and sleep there.
3. Reduce intellectual and emotional noise
until you arrive at the silence of yourself,
and listen to it.
4.
- Richard Brautigan
Nick Spalding
on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:04:51 GMT:
> > I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try everything
> > that life has to offer (except that I draw the line at hard drugs,
> > Morris Dancing and jellied eels, none of which will I ever try).
>
> Well, I thought it was Oscar Wilde that said 'try everything once
> except incest and country dancing', but now I've Googled it I'm not so
> sure.
Sir Thomas Beecham is what I remember from Timothy West's version of
him, except I think it was folk dancing.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Nick
> They [cinnamon rolls]'re in aisle 37 in the Warrington branch. You
> have to assemble them yourself.
They're presumably called "bonko" or "fartish" or something rather than
"cinnamon rolls".
--
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Django Cat
Ah, time was we had the choice of an hours drive to Warrington IKEA
(West) or an hours drive to Leeds IKEA (North East). Now we have our
very own IKEA in Ashton-under-Lyne (of Bill Sowerbutts fame).
DC
--
Django Cat
> James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>
> > They [cinnamon rolls]'re in aisle 37 in the Warrington branch. You
> > have to assemble them yourself.
>
> They're presumably called "bonko" or "fartish" or something rather
> than "cinnamon rolls".
You can eat them while reclining on a Boylz armchair and putting your
feet up on the Bollicks table. After you've hung your coat on the
Bummerang coat hanger - that one I didn't make up.
DC
--
Django Cat
> I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice on
> what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice. However,
> I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you, buy it" school.
> She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be something better around
> the next corner" school. She simply does not understand buying the
> first thing seen that works, but she will often circle back and buy
> that very thing.
Word is they enjoy that kind of thing.
DC
--
R H Draney
>
>LFS wrote:
>> tony cooper wrote:
>[...]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an
>> unusually classy-looking example:
>> http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121-hotdogvan.jpg
>>
>> Ugh, now I shall have Stuck Smell Syndrome if I don't think about
>> something different.
>
>It's important to warn the innocent traveller that the only sane reason
>for trying to eat a British hot dog is imminent death from starvation.
>They are ineffable, but I'll have a go at effing them, as follows.
>
>animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food trade,
>reverently in a squashy roll made a couple of days previously out of a
>substance that makes Mother's Pride seem like bread; they do something I
>can't quite work out, but unpleasant, to some sliced onions out of a
>tin, and put those on top of the sausage-like thing; the diner is then
>offered red, brown, and yellow sauces out of plastic squirters, and
>relieved of an absurdly large amount of money. There is, of course, no
>plate: instead, there is a square of tracing-paper rather shorter than
>the completed delicacy. Salad, you say? What on earth for?
Did you happen to catch "Britain's Really Disgusting Food" earlier this
week?...it's being offered as a free download on a bit torrent I use; doesn't
count against my "down" quota but will boost my upload ratio if I grab it and
then seed it back...the description of the first episode, entitled "Meat",
sounded vaguely entertaining but I wonder if it's too Pondial to be of real
interest here....r
--
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty.
An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?...or like this?
Richard Chambers
>
> Ah, time was we had the choice of an hours drive to Warrington IKEA
> (West) or an hours drive to Leeds IKEA (North East). Now we have our
> very own IKEA in Ashton-under-Lyne (of Bill Sowerbutts fame).
Five or six years ago, I had to go to Nykoping, Sweden on business. The
conversation lightened up a bit during our lunch break, and the subject came
round to the Swedish sense of humour. Contrary to widespread and uninformed
opinion in Great Britain, they assured me, Swedes do have a strong sense of
humour. At that time, most of the jokes in circulation were about innocents
visiting IKEA on a shopping expedition expecting to buy some furniture, or
about what happened when they took their goods home and tried to follow the
assembly instructions. They also had a good range of jokes covering the life
and work of Sven Goran Ericsson[1]. The Swedish tabloid newspapers followed
his progress in Britain with undying interest, my colleagues informed me,
and regaled their readers with a new Sven story almost every other day.
[1] For the benefit of any reader who is not either British or Swedish:
Sven Goran Ericsson is a Swede who was appointed Manager of the England
Football Team in the late 1990s. There were also quite a few stories
(including at least one really juicy scandal) about him in the British
tabloid press during his tenure of the post, which lasted about five years.
My spellchecker informs me that his middle name should have been spelled
"Groan" and that his surname should have been "Rescission". I had to look
this latter word up in the dictionary, but then concluded that the
spellchecker was being a little harsh. He wasn't really all that bad, just a
touch unlucky in his last big game.
Richard Chambers Leeds UK.
Frank ess
> There is an Icelandic variant, which is pretty well the same, but
> costs even more, and is served with sugar.
>
> *In Australia, where breath is expensive, these are known as
> "Frankfurts".
I believe that in 1949-50 the hot dogs at Carrell Speedway in Gardena,
south of Los Angeles, may have been filled with the same stuffings,
but the exterior and presentation were different: they were actual
sausages, pig intestine casing, and cooked (HOT!) in coconut oil. Buns
were steamed but not soggy, and I have no memory of condiments other
than yellow mustard. That may be because I had no taste for nor
interest in catsup or onions or sweet pickle relish for these
creations. They smelled good, nut-like, and tasted wonderful. That
first bite, when the casing burst and the mouth was treated to such a
sensual flood made it was difficult not to pause and enjoy its full
effect. Continued consumption, as the mouth's chemicals transformed
the bun into sweetness, a delightful contrast with the mustard and
nuttiness, was reward enough to invite more bites. Never had such a
treat anywhere else. And they cost a quarter of a dollar.
The only more recent thing that has come close, and also currently not
available in any local store I've seen, were the Oscar Meyer Smokie
Links. Same physical sensations, smokey flavor, sinfully greasy. I
suppose that's why they have fallen off the supermarket list. When
they were on the shelves, boiled or grilled Smokie Links became "hot
dogs" in our vocabulary, and we treated them in the classic manner.
And I'm preparing marinated chicken thighs for lunch. Sigh.
--
Frank ess
James Hogg
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:28:55 UTC, LFS
> <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> tony cooper wrote:
>
>>> Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>>>
>> They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from
>> vans which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is
>> an unusually classy-looking example:
>> http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121-hotdogvan.jpg
>>
>
Here's my favourite example of a chip van, photographed in Northern Ireland:
http://sites.google.com/site/jashogg/home/Izies.jpg
Note the slogan at the top.
--
James
the Omrud
Morris Dancing and incest, Shirley. Beecham, though, yes.
--
David
Default User
> The only more recent thing that has come close, and also currently
> not available in any local store I've seen, were the Oscar Meyer
> Smokie Links. Same physical sensations, smokey flavor, sinfully
> greasy. I suppose that's why they have fallen off the supermarket
> list. When they were on the shelves, boiled or grilled Smokie Links
> became "hot dogs" in our vocabulary, and we treated them in the
> classic manner.
I enjoyed those in the past. It seems as though they are still made:
<http://brands.kraftfoods.com/oscarmayer/omm_hotdogs.htm>
Unfortunately, the product finder indicates that the nearest retailer
to me is a Wal Mart in Wood River Il.
There are other similar products available from other manufacturers.
<http://www.johnsonville.com/home/products/smoked>
Brian
--
Day 276 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project
tony cooper
wrote:
Reminds me of a movie based on a book by Roddy Doyle: "The Van".
Frank ess
There are a few stores near here on the list of providers of
"Smokies"; around this time of year Costco begins stocking "Little
Smokies", presumably for the standup party-snacks crowd. If the
Smokies recipe is like the Little Smokies', they are tasty, but not
the same as "Smokie Links" from the past, which were like beef for
chili: chunky within, a little chewy, in contrast to the "creamy"
consistency of the Little Smokies. I'll bet the casing doesn't "pop"
when you bite it.
I see Johnsonville offers a "classic casing" on some weiners, and
declines to supply technical specifications. I wonder why ...
--
Frank ess
R H Draney
>
>There are a few stores near here on the list of providers of
>"Smokies"; around this time of year Costco begins stocking "Little
>Smokies", presumably for the standup party-snacks crowd. If the
>Smokies recipe is like the Little Smokies', they are tasty, but not
>the same as "Smokie Links" from the past, which were like beef for
>chili: chunky within, a little chewy, in contrast to the "creamy"
>consistency of the Little Smokies. I'll bet the casing doesn't "pop"
>when you bite it.
>
>I see Johnsonville offers a "classic casing" on some weiners, and
>declines to supply technical specifications. I wonder why ...
I had part of this discussion last week with someone handing out samples of
"chicken and apple sausage" at one of the warehouse clubs...she mentioned the
"wrapper" on the sausages and I had to ask if she meant "casing"....
Johnsonville makes good product, by the way...so does Hillshire....r
Roland Hutchinson
And the one at the bottom, that answers the question "Where's Izzy?"
Evan Kirshenbaum
The _Wordsworth Book of Humorous Quotations_ attributes it to Sir
Arnold Bax and gives it as "You should make a point of trying every
experience once, excepting incest and folk-dancing". Nat Shapiro's
1981 _An Encyclopedia of Music_ actually cites it to Bax's 1943
_Farewell My Youth_, giving it as "One should try everything once,
except incest and folk-dancing", and Lewis Foreman's biography of Bax
attributes it to him, as well.
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Roland Hutchinson
> the Omrud <usenet...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> writes:
>
>> Nick Spalding wrote:
>>> Django Cat wrote, in <DICIm.43144$%%3.2...@newsfe23.ams2>
>>> on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:04:51 GMT:
>>>
>>>>> I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try everything
>>>>> that life has to offer (except that I draw the line at hard drugs,
>>>>> Morris Dancing and jellied eels, none of which will I ever try).
>>>> Well, I thought it was Oscar Wilde that said 'try everything once
>>>> except incest and country dancing', but now I've Googled it I'm not
>>>> so sure.
>>> Sir Thomas Beecham is what I remember from Timothy West's version of
>>> him, except I think it was folk dancing.
>>
>> Morris Dancing and incest, Shirley. Beecham, though, yes.
>
> The _Wordsworth Book of Humorous Quotations_ attributes it to Sir Arnold
> Bax and gives it as "You should make a point of trying every experience
> once, excepting incest and folk-dancing". Nat Shapiro's 1981 _An
> Encyclopedia of Music_ actually cites it to Bax's 1943 _Farewell My
> Youth_, giving it as "One should try everything once, except incest and
> folk-dancing", and Lewis Foreman's biography of Bax attributes it to
> him, as well.
Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much the
same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies once had a
way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course _everything_ has a way
of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or Mark Twain, so that hardly
counts.)
Ironically (AmE!), the "folk process" seems to be at work here -- it's
_funnier_ if it's Beecham and morris dancing than if it's Bax and folk
dancing.
James Hogg
Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All music
is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
--
James
R H Draney
>
>Roland Hutchinson wrote:
>>
>> Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much
>> the same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies
>> once had a way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course
>> _everything_ has a way of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or
>> Mark Twain, so that hardly counts.)
>>
>> Ironically (AmE!), the "folk process" seems to be at work here --
>> it's _funnier_ if it's Beecham and morris dancing than if it's Bax
>> and folk dancing.
>
>Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All music
>is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
I would have guessed Will Rogers....r
Django Cat
> Django Cat wrote
> >
> > Ah, time was we had the choice of an hours drive to Warrington IKEA
> > (West) or an hours drive to Leeds IKEA (North East). Now we have
> > our very own IKEA in Ashton-under-Lyne (of Bill Sowerbutts fame).
>
> Five or six years ago, I had to go to Nykoping, Sweden on business.
> The conversation lightened up a bit during our lunch break, and the
> subject came round to the Swedish sense of humour. Contrary to
> widespread and uninformed opinion in Great Britain, they assured me,
> Swedes do have a strong sense of humour. At that time, most of the
> jokes in circulation were about innocents visiting IKEA on a shopping
> expedition expecting to buy some furniture, or about what happened
> when they took their goods home and tried to follow the assembly
> instructions. They also had a good range of jokes covering the life
> and work of Sven Goran Ericsson[1]. The Swedish tabloid newspapers
> followed his progress in Britain with undying interest, my colleagues
> informed me, and regaled their readers with a new Sven story almost
> every other day.
>
> [1] For the benefit of any reader who is not either British or
> Swedish: Sven Goran Ericsson is a Swede who was appointed Manager of
> the England Football Team in the late 1990s. There were also quite a
> few stories (including at least one really juicy scandal) about him
> in the British tabloid press during his tenure of the post, which
> lasted about five years.
>
I think Sven was OK, intelligent and stylish, and the antithesis of
foul-mouthed Graham Taylor, probably the worst England manager ever.
It's the lot of managers to carry the can when the team fails to
perform well - and these days that just means getting knocked out of a
competition. No doubt the knives will be out for Fabio in due course.
DC
--
James Hogg
A cartoon about Sven:
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cgo/lowres/cgon139l.jpg
--
James
Richard Chambers
> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
>> The _Wordsworth Book of Humorous Quotations_ attributes it to Sir Arnold
>> Bax and gives it as "You should make a point of trying every experience
>> once, excepting incest and folk-dancing". Nat Shapiro's 1981 _An
>> Encyclopedia of Music_ actually cites it to Bax's 1943 _Farewell My
>> Youth_, giving it as "One should try everything once, except incest and
>> folk-dancing", and Lewis Foreman's biography of Bax attributes it to
>> him, as well.
>
> Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much the
> same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies once had a
> way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course _everything_ has a way
> of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or Mark Twain, so that hardly
> counts.)
>
> Ironically (AmE!), the "folk process" seems to be at work here -- it's
> _funnier_ if it's Beecham and morris dancing than if it's Bax and folk
> dancing.
We should also mention that many quotations have been attrbuted to Einstein,
often on subjects where he had offered no opinion whatsoever. The suspicion
here is that a promoter with an axe to grind attributes his own words to
Einstein, hoping that if he can persuade the public that Einstein said it,
then the proposition must be both very clever and very true.
Who said something to the effect that nobody could claim to have led a full
life if he had not spent at least a few months in prison? It sounds as if it
might have been Oscar Wilde, who did actually do porridge for a short while.
What is the full quotation?
Richard Chambers Leeds UK.
James Hogg
Does a sentence of two years' hard labour count as a short while?
--
James
Nick
> Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much the
> same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies once had a
> way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course _everything_ has a way
> of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or Mark Twain, so that hardly
> counts.)
When with the literary, I am
compelled to try an epigram.
I never seek to take the credit
We all assume that Oscar said it.
It's tempted to attribute that to one of the above, but I'm pretty sure
it's Dorothy Parker.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<my.sp...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:07:25 +0100, James Hogg wrote:
>
>> John Varela wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:28:55 UTC, LFS
>>> <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>>>>>
>>>> They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from vans
>>>> which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an
>>>> unusually classy-looking example:
>>>> http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121-
>hotdogvan.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Is the skirt on the van typical of UK usage?
>>
>> Here's my favourite example of a chip van, photographed in Northern
>> Ireland: http://sites.google.com/site/jashogg/home/Izies.jpg
>>
>> Note the slogan at the top.
>
>And the one at the bottom, that answers the question "Where's Izzy?"
The small sign on the lamppost at the right is a standard "No Parking"
sign that appears to indicate "no parking at any time".
The van is on the footpath/pavement/sidewalk so is not transgressing
that rule.
The left wing of the van lists some items available: Fish & Chips,
Pasties, Sausage & Chips, Curry & Gravy,...
"Would you like gravy on your curry, missus?"
I assume, in fact hope, that the curry and gravy are alternative sauces
for pouring on your Fish&C, Sausage&C, Hot Dog, etc.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All
> music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
Seems to be attributed in print mostly to Louis Armstrong. The _Yale
Book of Quotations_ cites it to the _NY Times_, 6/6/1971, when he
died. (The _Times_ archives concurs, but I can't find it in the
longish article.)
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James Hogg
> James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>
>> Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All
>> music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
>
> Seems to be attributed in print mostly to Louis Armstrong. The _Yale
> Book of Quotations_ cites it to the _NY Times_, 6/6/1971, when he
> died. (The _Times_ archives concurs, but I can't find it in the
> longish article.)
It has also been attributed to Big Bill Broonzy and others, but most
frequently to Armstrong.
Another quotation attributed to Satchmo was reportedly cited in a university
examination paper on philosophy, as follows:
When asked "What is jazz?" Louis Armstrong replied, "Man, if you gotta
ask, you'll never know." Discuss the epistemological implications of this
statement.
--
James
R H Draney
>
>The left wing of the van lists some items available: Fish & Chips,
>Pasties, Sausage & Chips, Curry & Gravy,...
>
>"Would you like gravy on your curry, missus?"
>
>I assume, in fact hope, that the curry and gravy are alternative sauces
>for pouring on your Fish&C, Sausage&C, Hot Dog, etc.
Perhaps one or both of the words is being used in a sense other than the
conventional:
http://suzuya.ca/onlineshop/images/2008100504Szy.jpg
cf. "chocolate bourbon pickle", which contains none of the three ingredients
mentioned in its name:
http://internettrash.com/users/fupobu/picklelemon.jpe
Chuck Riggs
<10313...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>On Nov 5, 3:31�am, the Omrud <usenet.om...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The van in the lay-by at the end of our main road, where it meets the
>> motorway, is a favourite stopping place for our local police - there's
>> usually one or two cars there in the morning when I pass by.
>
>Last June in Rio, spouse and I wandered for some time trying to find
>the right little local dining spot for some real Brazilian food. Found
>a place filled with what appeared to be locals and sat down. Our
>choice was validated a few minutes later when a police car drove up,
>and without their having to order anything, food was brought out to
>them by the staff. Didn't see whether they paid for it <g>.
>
>Further validation ensued once our food arrived at the table.
>
>General observations about Brazilian food: they have real cheese
>(local pizza place was an eye-opener), exotic fruit, and the best meat
>anywhere (I'm 90% vegetarian, but ate more meat during two weeks than
>I usually have in a year).
I was under the impression, although I've never been in South America,
that Argentinean beef is generally considered to be the best in the
world.
--
Regards,
Chuck Riggs,
An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
Chuck Riggs
wrote:
>Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:59:07 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> The cheapest imaginable imitation frankfurter*, concocted out of
>>> animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food
>>> trade,
>>
>> I'm rather partial to animal-bottom (aka rump) steak.
>>
>A faux commercial from the Newfoundland comedy troupe Codco that has
>stayed with me features Greg Malone staring into the camera and
>intoning "Any food can cause Bad Breath, even the rectal tissue of
>cows, or 'bologna', as you know it."
My best laugh of the day. Thank you.
Chuck Riggs
wrote:
>tony cooper wrote:
>
>> I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice on
>> what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice. However,
>> I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you, buy it" school.
>> She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be something better around
>> the next corner" school. She simply does not understand buying the
>> first thing seen that works, but she will often circle back and buy
>> that very thing.
>
>Word is they enjoy that kind of thing.
They wouldn't be women if they didn't.
Default User
> I see Johnsonville offers a "classic casing" on some weiners, and
> declines to supply technical specifications. I wonder why ...
I have purchased the Johnsonville natural casing wieners. Nothing
untoward about them. I grew up on pork-based hotdogs, and don't really
like beef ones. Unfortunately, most of the "meat" wieners these days,
like Oscar Mayer, include mechanically-separated poultry of some sort.
This has, in my opinion, ruined them. The Johnsonville wieners are all
pork (plus some flavorings and preservatives).
<http://www.johnsonville.com/home/products/smoked/natural-casing-wieners
.html>
They even have a "butchershop" style, where the wieners are all
connected like in old cartoons.
<http://www.johnsonville.com/home/products/smoked/butcher-shop-style-wie
ners.html>
Brian
--
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R H Draney
I'm under a similarly untested impression that Kobe beef is the greatest....
(Had heard good things about the Canadian stuff too, but when I got a chance to
try it I was disappointed...corn-fed tastes funny when you're used to
grass-fed)....r
R H Draney
>
>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:41:10 GMT, "Django Cat" <nota...@address.com>
>wrote:
>
>>tony cooper wrote:
>>
>>> I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice on
>>> what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice. However,
>>> I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you, buy it" school.
>>> She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be something better around
>>> the next corner" school. She simply does not understand buying the
>>> first thing seen that works, but she will often circle back and buy
>>> that very thing.
>>
>>Word is they enjoy that kind of thing.
>
>They wouldn't be women if they didn't.
Problems arise if both men and women apply the same principles to choosing a
mate....r
Jerry Friedman
> Roland Hutchinson wrote:
> > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
>
>
> >>> Nick Spalding wrote:
Settling that argument would be like dancing about architecture.
--
Jerry Friedman
JimboCat
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:09:37 -0800 (PST), JimboCat
> >General observations about Brazilian food: they have real cheese
> >(local pizza place was an eye-opener), exotic fruit, and the best meat
> >anywhere (I'm 90% vegetarian, but ate more meat during two weeks than
> >I usually have in a year).
>
> I was under the impression, although I've never been in South America,
> that Argentinean beef is generally considered to be the best in the
> world.
Well, I haven't BEEN all over the world, have I? It is normal usage to
say something is "the best" when you mean "the best I know".
I'm reminded, for some reason, of Tolkien's /Lord of the Rings/ where
at least two different entities are described as "the oldest". Gandalf
(who is quite an Authority) calls Treebeard "the oldest living thing
in Middle Earth", while Elrond (or maybe it's Glorfindel? in any case,
another big Authority) calls Bombadil "oldest and fatherless".
Bombadil himself claims to have been there since before anything or
anyone else. And I have a nagging feeling there is a third "oldest"
entity, but I'm blanking on who it might be.
So I don't see why I can't call beef from both countries "the best",
if I want to. If it's good enough for Tolkien, it's good enough for
me.
Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
--
"The King James Bible was good enough for Moses, and it's good enough
for me." - anon
the Omrud
> We should also mention that many quotations have been attrbuted to Einstein,
> often on subjects where he had offered no opinion whatsoever. The suspicion
> here is that a promoter with an axe to grind attributes his own words to
> Einstein, hoping that if he can persuade the public that Einstein said it,
> then the proposition must be both very clever and very true.
Which reminds me that Disney has been forced to offer refunds for a DVD
product aimed at toddlers, entitled "Baby Einstein". It was marketed as
a way of turning your sprog into a genius but it's been thoroughly
disproved, and indeed shown to be counter productive. The less TV/video
small children watch, the better.
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article6894458.ece
http://tinyurl.com/ylngbdf
--
David
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Richard Chambers wrote:
>
>> We should also mention that many quotations have been attrbuted to
>> Einstein, often on subjects where he had offered no opinion
>> whatsoever. The suspicion here is that a promoter with an axe to
>> grind attributes his own words to Einstein, hoping that if he can
>> persuade the public that Einstein said it, then the proposition
>> must be both very clever and very true.
>
> Which reminds me that Disney has been forced to offer refunds for a
> DVD product aimed at toddlers, entitled "Baby Einstein". It was
> marketed as a way of turning your sprog into a genius but it's been
> thoroughly disproved, and indeed shown to be counter productive.
> The less TV/video small children watch, the better.
I buy the first claim, but I have grave doubts about the second, and
the synopses of the studies in the article didn't do much to ausage
them. I suspect that more of the effects they saw have to do with
other things that correlate with kids who get put in front of TV
sets.
>
> http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article6894458.ece
> http://tinyurl.com/ylngbdf
--
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1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |should be turned often or they start
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |to smell bad.
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(650)857-7572
the Omrud
> the Omrud <usenet...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> writes:
>
>> Richard Chambers wrote:
>>
>>> We should also mention that many quotations have been attrbuted to
>>> Einstein, often on subjects where he had offered no opinion
>>> whatsoever. The suspicion here is that a promoter with an axe to
>>> grind attributes his own words to Einstein, hoping that if he can
>>> persuade the public that Einstein said it, then the proposition
>>> must be both very clever and very true.
>> Which reminds me that Disney has been forced to offer refunds for a
>> DVD product aimed at toddlers, entitled "Baby Einstein". It was
>> marketed as a way of turning your sprog into a genius but it's been
>> thoroughly disproved, and indeed shown to be counter productive.
>> The less TV/video small children watch, the better.
>
> I buy the first claim, but I have grave doubts about the second, and
> the synopses of the studies in the article didn't do much to ausage
> them. I suspect that more of the effects they saw have to do with
> other things that correlate with kids who get put in front of TV
> sets.
I wondered about that, of course, but I haven't had any time to check
whether the researchers standardised for those other factors.
--
David
Evan Kirshenbaum
I suspect that they did for demographic features, but not for things
like amount of face-to-face interaction time. There's a big
difference between plopping a kid in front of a screen and counting on
it to keep him quiet and sitting there with your kid and *watching*
the videos and shows with him, interacting with him while you do.
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |Giving money and power to government
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |is like giving whiskey and car keys
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |to teenage boys.
| P.J. O'Rourke
kirsh...@hpl.hp.com
(650)857-7572
tsuidf
> tsuidf <stephanie.mitch...@telenet.be> wrote
>
> >On Nov 4, 10:51 pm, LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> >> tsuidf wrote:
>
> >> > Quick, here's a cup of tea and a chocolate finger!
>
> >> > hope it helps,
> >> > Stephanie
>
> >> How very kind. All I need now is the port.
> >>(Seehttp://alt-usage-english.org/boink_may05/index.html)
>
> >Gosh, most impressive. Am pretty certain I'd be much much better at
> >the technique for speaking on the phone.
>
> It's a knack, You've either got it, or you haven't.
> --
> Paul
> Just back from a seminar at which harsh words were spoken of Neelie and DG
> Comp.
Think learning the port knack would be more fun. Not surprised at
all, such words get spoken in many neighbourhoods -- even around
here....
More, affiant sayeth not.
cheers,
S.
tsuidf
<richard.chambers7_NoSp...@ntlworld.net> wrote:
> [1] For the benefit of any reader who is not either British or Swedish:
> Sven Goran Ericsson is a Swede who was appointed Manager of the England
> Football Team in the late 1990s. There were also quite a few stories
> (including at least one really juicy scandal) about him in the British
> tabloid press during his tenure of the post, which lasted about five years.
>
> My spellchecker informs me that his middle name should have been spelled
> "Groan" and that his surname should have been "Rescission". I had to look
> this latter word up in the dictionary, but then concluded that the
> spellchecker was being a little harsh. He wasn't really all that bad, just a
> touch unlucky in his last big game.
Spell-checking names came up in a previous job I held for some
completely irrelevant reason. My favourite result was 'Dent Zapping'
for 'Deng Xiaoping'. Made him sound like either an obscure superhero
or a worker in a chop shop.
And let's not forget the time one of the major grocery chains labelled
their Swedes (the veg) 'Sven Gorans' for a while....
cheers,
Stephanie
tsuidf
> Quite right. Swedish meatballs are well worth the trip. They're closer
> to a sausage than an Italian meatball, and they are very good.
You think that, I think that, many people think that. But then there
was this conversation overheard in the queue in the Beijing IKEA
shortly after it opened:
Very Tiny Elderly Chinese Lady (in loud voice): What's in these
meatballs? Beef or pork?
Very Polite Very Young Swedish Staff Member Serving Food: Both, it's a
traditional Swedish recipe.
VTECL (even more loudly): You can't DO that! You can't put two kinds
of meat in one meatball, that's ridiculous!!
<harumphs off...>
VPVYSSMSF: <piteous look as wonders why Basic Mandarin book didn't
explain any of this>
Didn't go back on my BJ visit last week as wouldn't have wanted to
have to pack the 200 euros or so of stuff I wouldn't have known I
needed if I hadn't gone, so don't know if the populace have warmed up
to the fare.
cheers,
Stephanie
back in Brussels
tsuidf
> tony cooper wrote:
> > I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice on
> > what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice. However,
> > I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you, buy it" school.
> > She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be something better around
> > the next corner" school. She simply does not understand buying the
> > first thing seen that works, but she will often circle back and buy
> > that very thing.
>
> Word is they enjoy that kind of thing.
>
> --
The first description is not 'shopping', it is 'foraging'. True
shopping involves decent comparative research. Sheesh!
Peter Moylan
> Didn't go back on my BJ visit last week as wouldn't have wanted to
> have to pack the 200 euros or so of stuff I wouldn't have known I
> needed if I hadn't gone,
I've finally decided to wait until after lunch before trying once more
to parse that.
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Peter Moylan
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:41:10 GMT, "Django Cat" <nota...@address.com>
> wrote:
>
>> tony cooper wrote:
>>
>>> I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice on
>>> what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice. However,
>>> I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you, buy it" school.
>>> She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be something better around
>>> the next corner" school. She simply does not understand buying the
>>> first thing seen that works, but she will often circle back and buy
>>> that very thing.
>> Word is they enjoy that kind of thing.
>
> They wouldn't be women if they didn't.
>
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:41:10 GMT, "Django Cat" <nota...@address.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice
>>>> on what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice.
>>>> However, I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you,
>>>> buy it" school. She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be
>>>> something better around the next corner" school. She simply does
>>>> not understand buying the first thing seen that works, but she
>>>> will often circle back and buy that very thing.
>>> Word is they enjoy that kind of thing.
>> They wouldn't be women if they didn't.
>>
> They certainly wouldn't be men if they did.
Yeah, when buying cars, electronics, computers, gadgets, etc., men
universally just buy the first thing they like that works. Right.
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |"Revolution" has many definitions.
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |From the looks of this, I'd say
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |"going around in circles" comes
|closest to applying...
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(650)857-7572
tony cooper
<stephanie...@telenet.be> wrote:
>Didn't go back on my BJ visit last week as wouldn't have wanted to
>have to pack the 200 euros
Either a different meaning than I'm used to or too much information.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Skitt
> Peter Moylan writes:
>> Chuck Riggs wrote:
>>> "Django Cat" wrote:
>>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>>> I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice
>>>>> on what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice.
>>>>> However, I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you,
>>>>> buy it" school. She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be
>>>>> something better around the next corner" school. She simply does
>>>>> not understand buying the first thing seen that works, but she
>>>>> will often circle back and buy that very thing.
>>>>
>>>> Word is they enjoy that kind of thing.
>>>
>>> They wouldn't be women if they didn't.
>>
>> They certainly wouldn't be men if they did.
>
> Yeah, when buying cars, electronics, computers, gadgets, etc., men
> universally just buy the first thing they like that works. Right.
For those items I like to do my research on line. When I have figured out
what I want, I go to the best source and buy it (or order it).
--
Skitt (AmE)
tony cooper
Yes, I'm of the hunter/gatherer school of shopping.
Garrett Wollman
tsuidf <stephanie...@telenet.be> wrote:
>Very Tiny Elderly Chinese Lady (in loud voice): What's in these
>meatballs? Beef or pork?
>Very Polite Very Young Swedish Staff Member Serving Food: Both, it's a
>traditional Swedish recipe.
>VTECL (even more loudly): You can't DO that! You can't put two kinds
>of meat in one meatball, that's ridiculous!!
><harumphs off...>
Presumably VTECL was the sort who wouldn't *dream* of ever drinking
uncooked water, either....
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Jerry Friedman
wrote:
> LFS wrote:
> > tony cooper wrote:
> [...]
>
> >> Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>
> > They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from vans
> > which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an
> > unusually classy-looking example:
> >http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121-hotdogvan.jpg
>
> > Ugh, now I shall have Stuck Smell Syndrome if I don't think about
> > something different.
>
> It's important to warn the innocent traveller that the only sane reason
> for trying to eat a British hot dog is imminent death from starvation.
> They areineffable, but I'll have a go at effing them, as follows.
>
> The cheapest imaginable imitation frankfurter*, concocted out of
> animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food trade,
Most efficaciously effed, too.
--
Jerry Friedman