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Harrison Hill
Aug 19, 2012, 4:39:46 PM8/19/12
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"riband" with one "b" and "ribbon" with two b's?
Exact synonyms or the same word?
Exact synonyms or the same word?
Skitt
Aug 19, 2012, 5:05:35 PM8/19/12
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Harrison Hill wrote:
> "riband" with one "b" and "ribbon" with two b's?
>
> Exact synonyms or the same word?
No, and then there's a ribband -- a whole nother thing.
> "riband" with one "b" and "ribbon" with two b's?
>
> Exact synonyms or the same word?
--
Skitt (SF Bay Area)
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Ian Noble
Aug 20, 2012, 3:51:56 AM8/20/12
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:05:35 -0700, Skitt <ski...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Harrison Hill wrote:
>
>> "riband" with one "b" and "ribbon" with two b's?
>>
>> Exact synonyms or the same word?
>
>No, and then there's a ribband -- a whole nother thing.
There's an element of "depends on what you mena by exact synonym", but
>Harrison Hill wrote:
>
>> "riband" with one "b" and "ribbon" with two b's?
>>
>> Exact synonyms or the same word?
>
>No, and then there's a ribband -- a whole nother thing.
I think you need to expand on that answer somewhat. Chambers, at
least, disagrees (and I was only looking there in the first place
because, in my own usage, they're interchangeable):
"Riband, ribband. Spellings of ribbon, used in derivatives and
compounds, now rare except in heraldry and sporting use."
"Ribband. Same as riband, ribbon"
Cheers - Ian
(BrE: Yorks., Hants.)
Whiskers
Aug 20, 2012, 9:02:48 AM8/20/12
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"riband, n.". OED Online. June 2012. Oxford University Press. 20 August
2012 <http://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/165460>.
'Riband' seems to have the same ultimate origin as 'ribbon', but the
definitions for the variant with "an excrescent final dental consonant"
indicate special meanings that are still current in my experience,
despite the note that this variant is "Now chiefly arch. or regional."
It is notable that OED gives 'Riband' an entry of its own, rather than
bury it under the more frequently used 'ribbon'.
Definition 1c is the usage of 'riband' I'm most familiar with:-
c. = ribbon n. 2a. Also in later use: a prize awarded to the winner of
a competition; a symbol of distinction, performance, quality, etc.; =
ribbon n. 2b. Esp. in blue riband (see blue ribbon n.).
See also red riband at red ribbon n. 1a.
Nestlé make a "Blue Riband" wafer biscuit, and Wikipedia's
disambiguation page offers several examples of the 'reward' usage
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband_(disambiguation)>.
I would hesitate to use 'riband' in any other context, or as a
technical term in heraldry (OED's definition 2) or to describe a
striped arrow (as loosed from a bow; OED's definition 3b). 'Ribbon' is
better in all other situations - although 'riband' is not 'wrong'.
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-- Whiskers
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Skitt
Aug 20, 2012, 2:09:43 PM8/20/12
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Ian Noble wrote:
Definition of RIBBAND
: a long narrow strip or bar used in shipbuilding; especially : one bent
and bolted longitudinally to the frames to hold them in position during
construction
Origin of RIBBAND
1rib + 1band
First Known Use: 1711
> Skitt wrote:
>> Harrison Hill wrote:
>>> "riband" with one "b" and "ribbon" with two b's?
>>>
>>> Exact synonyms or the same word?
>>
>> No, and then there's a ribband -- a whole nother thing.
>
> There's an element of "depends on what you mena by exact synonym", but
> I think you need to expand on that answer somewhat. Chambers, at
> least, disagrees (and I was only looking there in the first place
> because, in my own usage, they're interchangeable):
>
> "Riband, ribband. Spellings of ribbon, used in derivatives and
> compounds, now rare except in heraldry and sporting use."
>
> "Ribband. Same as riband, ribbon"
From M-W Online:
>> Harrison Hill wrote:
>>> "riband" with one "b" and "ribbon" with two b's?
>>>
>>> Exact synonyms or the same word?
>>
>> No, and then there's a ribband -- a whole nother thing.
>
> There's an element of "depends on what you mena by exact synonym", but
> I think you need to expand on that answer somewhat. Chambers, at
> least, disagrees (and I was only looking there in the first place
> because, in my own usage, they're interchangeable):
>
> "Riband, ribband. Spellings of ribbon, used in derivatives and
> compounds, now rare except in heraldry and sporting use."
>
> "Ribband. Same as riband, ribbon"
Definition of RIBBAND
: a long narrow strip or bar used in shipbuilding; especially : one bent
and bolted longitudinally to the frames to hold them in position during
construction
Origin of RIBBAND
1rib + 1band
First Known Use: 1711
Ian Noble
Aug 22, 2012, 2:33:35 AM8/22/12
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On 20 Aug 2012 13:02:48 GMT, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com>
wrote:
>Nestl� make a "Blue Riband" wafer biscuit, and Wikipedia's
Blue Riband featured a length of what I would then have called blue
ribbon, tied into a bow. I can say with conifdence that the product
was partly responsible for my equating the two spellings.
Not that I ever ate the things much; small, disappointing lumps of
nothing very special. Rowntree's products were head and shoulders
better. Nestl� bought up Rowntree Mackintosh in 1988, which I always
felt somewhat justified my opinion..
wrote:
>disambiguation page offers several examples of the 'reward' usage
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband_(disambiguation)>.
>
When I was growing up, mind (mid 60s), the UK packaging of the Nestl�
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband_(disambiguation)>.
>
Blue Riband featured a length of what I would then have called blue
ribbon, tied into a bow. I can say with conifdence that the product
was partly responsible for my equating the two spellings.
Not that I ever ate the things much; small, disappointing lumps of
nothing very special. Rowntree's products were head and shoulders
better. Nestl� bought up Rowntree Mackintosh in 1988, which I always
felt somewhat justified my opinion..
Robert Bannister
Aug 22, 2012, 9:07:31 PM8/22/12
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>> disambiguation page offers several examples of the 'reward' usage
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband_(disambiguation)>.
>>
>
> When I was growing up, mind (mid 60s), the UK packaging of the Nestlé
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband_(disambiguation)>.
>>
>
> Blue Riband featured a length of what I would then have called blue
> ribbon, tied into a bow. I can say with conifdence that the product
> was partly responsible for my equating the two spellings.
Surely the original prize that gave rise to the blue riband usage must
> ribbon, tied into a bow. I can say with conifdence that the product
> was partly responsible for my equating the two spellings.
have included an actual blue ribbon, otherwise the "blue" part makes no
sense whatsoever.
--
Robert Bannister
Whiskers
Aug 23, 2012, 2:34:46 PM8/23/12
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a prize in a horse race (along with lots of money, probably). Blue
used to be an expensive colour.
Mike L
Aug 23, 2012, 6:18:46 PM8/23/12
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On 23 Aug 2012 18:34:46 GMT, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com>
>>>> Nestl� make a "Blue Riband" wafer biscuit, and Wikipedia's
of first prize in livestock shows. Maybe horse-racing, too: I don't
know. With that idea firmly planted in people's heads, I don't think
the one for the fastest Atlantic crossing need ever have been more
than metaphorical.
--
Mike.
>>>> disambiguation page offers several examples of the 'reward' usage
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband_(disambiguation)>.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When I was growing up, mind (mid 60s), the UK packaging of the Nestl�
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband_(disambiguation)>.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Blue Riband featured a length of what I would then have called blue
>>> ribbon, tied into a bow. I can say with conifdence that the product
>>> was partly responsible for my equating the two spellings.
>>
>> Surely the original prize that gave rise to the blue riband usage must
>> have included an actual blue ribbon, otherwise the "blue" part makes no
>> sense whatsoever.
>
>I dimly remember reading somewhere that the original 'blue riband' was
>a prize in a horse race (along with lots of money, probably). Blue
>used to be an expensive colour.
A blue rosette, made, of course, out of ribbon, was the usual symbol
>>> ribbon, tied into a bow. I can say with conifdence that the product
>>> was partly responsible for my equating the two spellings.
>>
>> Surely the original prize that gave rise to the blue riband usage must
>> have included an actual blue ribbon, otherwise the "blue" part makes no
>> sense whatsoever.
>
>I dimly remember reading somewhere that the original 'blue riband' was
>a prize in a horse race (along with lots of money, probably). Blue
>used to be an expensive colour.
of first prize in livestock shows. Maybe horse-racing, too: I don't
know. With that idea firmly planted in people's heads, I don't think
the one for the fastest Atlantic crossing need ever have been more
than metaphorical.
--
Mike.
Snidely
Aug 24, 2012, 2:06:57 AM8/24/12
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On Thursday, Mike L queried:
>>>>> Nestlￜ make a "Blue Riband" wafer biscuit, and Wikipedia's
been to, the rosette portion is generally 4"-6" in diameter, and the
draped ribbons 12"-16" long. There may be printing in the center of
the rosette, or on the draped ribbons, or both.
(Horse racing tends to use the flower collar, presented in the Winner's
Circle.)
/dps
--
Who, me? And what lacuna?
>>>>> disambiguation page offers several examples of the 'reward' usage
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband_(disambiguation)>.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I was growing up, mind (mid 60s), the UK packaging of the Nestlￜ
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband_(disambiguation)>.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blue Riband featured a length of what I would then have called blue
>>>> ribbon, tied into a bow. I can say with conifdence that the product
>>>> was partly responsible for my equating the two spellings.
>>>
>>> Surely the original prize that gave rise to the blue riband usage must
>>> have included an actual blue ribbon, otherwise the "blue" part makes no
>>> sense whatsoever.
>>
>> I dimly remember reading somewhere that the original 'blue riband' was
>> a prize in a horse race (along with lots of money, probably). Blue
>> used to be an expensive colour.
>
> A blue rosette, made, of course, out of ribbon, was the usual symbol
> of first prize in livestock shows. Maybe horse-racing, too: I don't
> know. With that idea firmly planted in people's heads, I don't think
> the one for the fastest Atlantic crossing need ever have been more
> than metaphorical.
Stateside, those all get called "blue ribbons". At horse events I've
>>>> ribbon, tied into a bow. I can say with conifdence that the product
>>>> was partly responsible for my equating the two spellings.
>>>
>>> Surely the original prize that gave rise to the blue riband usage must
>>> have included an actual blue ribbon, otherwise the "blue" part makes no
>>> sense whatsoever.
>>
>> I dimly remember reading somewhere that the original 'blue riband' was
>> a prize in a horse race (along with lots of money, probably). Blue
>> used to be an expensive colour.
>
> A blue rosette, made, of course, out of ribbon, was the usual symbol
> of first prize in livestock shows. Maybe horse-racing, too: I don't
> know. With that idea firmly planted in people's heads, I don't think
> the one for the fastest Atlantic crossing need ever have been more
> than metaphorical.
been to, the rosette portion is generally 4"-6" in diameter, and the
draped ribbons 12"-16" long. There may be printing in the center of
the rosette, or on the draped ribbons, or both.
(Horse racing tends to use the flower collar, presented in the Winner's
Circle.)
/dps
--
Who, me? And what lacuna?
Whiskers
Aug 24, 2012, 8:23:46 AM8/24/12
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On 2012-08-23, Mike L <n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2012 18:34:46 GMT, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2012-08-23, Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>> On 22/08/12 2:33 PM, Ian Noble wrote:
>>>> On 20 Aug 2012 13:02:48 GMT, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-08-20, Ian Noble <ipn...@killspam.o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:05:35 -0700, Skitt <ski...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harrison Hill wrote:
[...]
> On 23 Aug 2012 18:34:46 GMT, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2012-08-23, Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>> On 22/08/12 2:33 PM, Ian Noble wrote:
>>>> On 20 Aug 2012 13:02:48 GMT, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-08-20, Ian Noble <ipn...@killspam.o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:05:35 -0700, Skitt <ski...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harrison Hill wrote:
> A blue rosette, made, of course, out of ribbon, was the usual symbol
> of first prize in livestock shows. Maybe horse-racing, too: I don't
> know. With that idea firmly planted in people's heads, I don't think
> the one for the fastest Atlantic crossing need ever have been more
> than metaphorical.
the current record-holder.
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