What's the opposite of Uxorcide?
David R. Throop
(I mean, like, the killing of one's husband, not the resurrection of
one's wife. Although if you've got a word for the latter, or a
technique for it, let's hear.)
Some words with "uxor-" as the stem have opposites with the stem
"vir-", but "viricide" means the killing of viruses, not husbands.
Over on soc.men, we were discussing the relative frequencies of
spousal poisonings. And we needed a term for this. I offered the
term "hubbycide" but it didn't seem to catch on.
Anybody?
David Throop
CyberCypher
news:asad55$srd$1...@yojo.cs.utexas.edu:
> What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
>
> (I mean, like, the killing of one's husband, not the resurrection of
> one's wife. Although if you've got a word for the latter, or a
> technique for it, let's hear.)
Murder.
--
Franke: Speaker and teacher of Standard International English (SIE)
AWILLIS957
>From: thr...@cs.utexas.edu (David R. Throop)
>What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
pesticide?
Bob Cunningham
said:
> What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
[ . . . ]
The stem "andr-" can mean "man", "male", or "husband", so "androcide"
seems to be a reasonable coinage despite its ambiguity.
--
Bob Cunningham, Southern California, USofA
For a world language that has many different pronunciations
the most equitable orthography is one that fits none of them.
World English has been blessed with such an orthography.
-- Woody Wordpecker, 1996
Gary Vellenzer
exw...@earthlink.net says...
> On 30 Nov 2002 07:06:45 -0600, thr...@cs.utexas.edu (David R. Throop)
> said:
>
> > What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
>
> [ . . . ]
>
> The stem "andr-" can mean "man", "male", or "husband", so "androcide"
> seems to be a reasonable coinage despite its ambiguity.
>
>
gynecophony.
The Latin word for husband is maritus, so it's mariticide if you choose
to stay with Latin.
Gary
Michael Snyder
Bob Cunningham wrote in message ...
>On 30 Nov 2002 07:06:45 -0600, thr...@cs.utexas.edu (David R. Throop)
>said:
>
>> What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
>
>[ . . . ]
>
>The stem "andr-" can mean "man", "male", or "husband", so "androcide"
>seems to be a reasonable coinage despite its ambiguity.
"The killing of a man" is less specific than "the killing of a husband".
tomca...@yanospamhoo.com
> If you're going to drag in Greek roots, go all the way: androphony and
> gynecophony.
> The Latin word for husband is maritus, so it's mariticide if you choose
> to stay with Latin.
I recently came across "gynnasium" as a coinage for an all-female gym.
I guess the counterpart would be "andronasium".
Don Aitken
The most obvious term from Latin is "parricide", but that refers to
the killing of the head of the family, who may be one's father (or, in
the case of a slave, one's master) as well as one's husband. My cheap
dictionary gives it, wrongly, as meaning the murder of a parent.
The corresponding term in English common law is "petty treason" - a
crime for which, up the the 18th century, people could be burned
alive.
--
Don Aitken
Michael Snyder
tomca...@yaNOSPAMhoo.com wrote in message ...
Sounds like a masculine nose.
Peter Morris
"CyberCypher" <fra...@seed.net.tw> wrote in message
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> thr...@cs.utexas.edu (David R. Throop) burbled
> news:asad55$srd$1...@yojo.cs.utexas.edu:
>
> > What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
> >
> > (I mean, like, the killing of one's husband, not the resurrection of
> > one's wife. Although if you've got a word for the latter, or a
> > technique for it, let's hear.)
>
> Murder.
so you're saying killing one's wife ISN'T murder?
mb
> Over on soc.men, we were discussing the relative frequencies of
> spousal poisonings. And we needed a term for this. I offered the
> term "hubbycide" but it didn't seem to catch on.
If there were a single-word equivalent for each separate concept we'd
all be psychiatric cases (but write less). No word was coined for the
killing of the male spouse; I fail to see why it shouldn't be said in
so many words, as you do above. Also, I know a good many women who,
once informed that virus means poison, would agree that the
hypothetical elimination of their consort fully deserves to be called
"virucide".
Chris Raum
"mb" <azy...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:9cc8f152.02113...@posting.google.com...
> thr...@cs.utexas.edu (David R. Throop)
> > What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
> ...
> > Over on soc.men, we were discussing the relative frequencies of
> > spousal poisonings. And we needed a term for this. I offered the
> > term "hubbycide" but it didn't seem to catch on.
>
> If there were a single-word equivalent for each separate concept we'd
> all be psychiatric cases (but write less).
You mean like "herstory" or "womyn"? Seriously, though, do you also think
there's no need for the "single-word equivalent" to the word "misogyny" to
be added to its missing place in many dictionaries? That word is:
"misandry", by the way.
> No word was coined for the
> killing of the male spouse; I fail to see why it shouldn't be said in
> so many words, as you do above. Also, I know a good many women who,
> once informed that virus means poison, would agree that the
> hypothetical elimination of their consort fully deserves to be called
> "virucide".
I suppose there's a kind of hateful logic to that train of thought. When
wives kill their husbands, the overwhelmingly popular method *is* poison.
Since there's often no reason to conduct a full autopsy when the husband
dies "peacefully", this kind of parricide is often mistaken as death by
natural cause. For example, a wife murdering her husband with cyanide can
often go undetected as simple death from pulmonary emphysema.
-Chris Raum
"After the Feminist movement, you'd think they'd have the courtesy to
flush." -Aric
CyberCypher
news:asbo50$bq3$1...@sparta.btinternet.com:
I don't understand why you have to ask this particular question. Any
such implication exists in your mind only and not at all in my answer,
which was obviously intended as a humorous response.
Depends on where and when. Until a few decades ago, in Texas, uxoricide
was called "justifiable homicide" if you caught your wife in bed with
another man. Not surprising.
But to answer your question directly, let me say that killing one's
wife is "uxoricide". Whether any particular uxoricide is "murder" or
"involuntary manslaughter" depends upon the circumstances (viz. the
facts in the case). Same goes for "husbondacide". (Sorry, I didn't find
a Latin word for "husband", only this at MW10 online: "Etymology:
Middle English husbonde, from Old English husbonda master of a house,
from Old Norse husbOndi, from hus house + bOndi householder; akin to
Old Norse bua to inhabit; akin to Old English buan to dwell".
manslaughter:
n. the unlawful killing of another person without premeditation or so-
called "malice aforethought" (an evil intent prior to the killing). It
is distinguished from murder (which brings greater penalties) by lack
of any prior intention to kill anyone or create a deadly situation.
There are two levels of manslaughter: voluntary and involuntary.
Voluntary manslaughter includes killing in heat of passion or while
committing a felony. Involuntary manslaughter occurs when a death is
caused by a violation of a non-felony, such as reckless driving (called
"vehicular manslaughter"). http://dictionary.law.com/
Michael Snyder
mb wrote in message <9cc8f152.02113...@posting.google.com>...
Um... what exactly are you trying to say here?
howard richler
> thr...@cs.utexas.edu (David R. Throop)
> > What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
> ...
> > Over on soc.men, we were discussing the relative frequencies of
> > spousal poisonings. And we needed a term for this. I offered the
> > term "hubbycide" but it didn't seem to catch on.
>
Of course "hubbycide" didn't catch on. It rhymes with "bubbycide", the
killing of Jewish grandmothers.
Mr. F. Le Mur
->What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
->
->(I mean, like, the killing of one's husband, not the resurrection of
->one's wife. Although if you've got a word for the latter, or a
->technique for it, let's hear.)
->
->Some words with "uxor-" as the stem have opposites with the stem
->"vir-", but "viricide" means the killing of viruses, not husbands.
->
->Over on soc.men, we were discussing the relative frequencies of
->spousal poisonings. And we needed a term for this. I offered the
->term "hubbycide" but it didn't seem to catch on.
->
->Anybody?
Though it's missing from most dictionaries: "mariticide."
->
->David Throop
mb
> You mean like "herstory" or "womyn"? Seriously, though, do you also think
> there's no need for the "single-word equivalent" to the word "misogyny" to
> be added to its missing place in many dictionaries? That word is:
> "misandry", by the way.
The last two words have been available for a long time. Fashion
recently produced the first two, and they might remain in the
language. There is no ground, though, for saying that the concepts
could not be expressed in the absence of these specific words.
> > No word was coined for the
> > killing of the male spouse; I fail to see why it shouldn't be said in
> > so many words, as you do above. Also, I know a good many women who,
> > once informed that virus means poison, would agree that the
> > hypothetical elimination of their consort fully deserves to be called
> > "virucide".
>
> I suppose there's a kind of hateful logic to that train of thought. When
> wives kill their husbands, the overwhelmingly popular method *is* poison.
> Since there's often no reason to conduct a full autopsy when the husband
> dies "peacefully", this kind of parricide is often mistaken as death by
> natural cause. For example, a wife murdering her husband with cyanide can
> often go undetected as simple death from pulmonary emphysema.
All this is non-linguistic anyway, coining new words remains optional.
As for the virucide joke, it refers of course to killing the poison,
not necessarily with poison.
Michael Snyder
mb wrote in message <9cc8f152.02120...@posting.google.com>...
>"Chris Raum" <cr...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>
>> You mean like "herstory" or "womyn"? Seriously, though, do you also think
>> there's no need for the "single-word equivalent" to the word "misogyny" to
>> be added to its missing place in many dictionaries? That word is:
>> "misandry", by the way.
>
>The last two words have been available for a long time. Fashion
>recently produced the first two, and they might remain in the
>language. There is no ground, though, for saying that the concepts
>could not be expressed in the absence of these specific words.
But that's not the argument. The concepts of uxorcide and
misogyny could equally well be expressed without these words.
The question is, why do we need the word uxorcide, but not
need the analogous word for husband-murder? Why do we
need the word misogyny but not the word misandry?
>All this is non-linguistic anyway, coining new words remains optional.
>As for the virucide joke, it refers of course to killing the poison,
>not necessarily with poison.
Yeah -- that's why he called it "hateful". It presumes that
the male spouse is 'poison'.
Peter Morris
> "Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> burbled
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>
> >
> > "CyberCypher" <fra...@seed.net.tw> wrote in message
> > news:Xns92D6E2BF4...@130.133.1.4...
> >> thr...@cs.utexas.edu (David R. Throop) burbled
> >> news:asad55$srd$1...@yojo.cs.utexas.edu:
> >>
> >> > What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
> >> >
> >> > (I mean, like, the killing of one's husband, not the
> >> > resurrection of one's wife. Although if you've got a word for
> >> > the latter, or a technique for it, let's hear.)
> >>
> >> Murder.
> >
> > so you're saying killing one's wife ISN'T murder?
>
> I don't understand why you have to ask this particular question. Any
> such implication exists in your mind only and not at all in my answer,
> which was obviously intended as a humorous response.
You were asked for the opposite of uxorcide. You said murder.
That is exactly the same thing as saying that killing one's wife is
the opposite of murder.
And my remark was intended as a humerous response too.
Javi
news:3deb7d43$1...@nopics.sjc,
:
> mb wrote in message
> <9cc8f152.02120...@posting.google.com>...
>> "Chris Raum" <cr...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>>
>>> You mean like "herstory" or "womyn"? Seriously, though, do you also
>>> think there's no need for the "single-word equivalent" to the word
>>> "misogyny" to be added to its missing place in many dictionaries?
>>> That word is: "misandry", by the way.
>>
>> The last two words have been available for a long time. Fashion
>> recently produced the first two, and they might remain in the
>> language. There is no ground, though, for saying that the concepts
>> could not be expressed in the absence of these specific words.
>
> But that's not the argument. The concepts of uxorcide and
> misogyny could equally well be expressed without these words.
> The question is, why do we need the word uxorcide, but not
> need the analogous word for husband-murder? Why do we
> need the word misogyny but not the word misandry?
Maybe because there is a trend. We live in a culture where victimization is
trendy. It is fashionable to be a victim.
--
Javi
Michael Snyder
>"CyberCypher" <fra...@seed.net.tw> wrote in message
>news:Xns92D83F324...@130.133.1.4...
>> Depends on where and when. Until a few decades ago, in Texas, uxoricide
>> was called "justifiable homicide" if you caught your wife in bed with
>> another man. Not surprising.
So was killing the other man (not to put too much of a "woman as victim"
spin on it)
Michael Snyder
Javi wrote in message ...
Bingo. But why is it trendy to regard women as victims,
but disregard men as victims?
Chris Raum
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message
news:3deb7d43$1...@nopics.sjc...
Bingo bango - sugar in the gas tank!
mb
> Yeah -- that's why he called it "hateful". It presumes that
> the male spouse is 'poison'.
Well, I don't know about you, but some bloody well are (and no, I'm
not paid by the enemy, am somewhat male myself and have been spouse).
Michael Snyder
Hope Munro Smith
This site has every type of homicide you'd want:
Chris Raum
Somehow I don't think she/he holds women to the same high standard of
spousal conduct that she/he holds men to.
mb
> >> Yeah -- that's why he called it "hateful". It presumes that
> >> the male spouse is 'poison'.
> >
> >Well, I don't know about you, but some bloody well are (and no, I'm
> >not paid by the enemy, am somewhat male myself and have been spouse).
>
> So are some female spouses.
Absotively. That's why that "hateful" doesn't make sense, statistically speaking.
Michael Snyder
Well -- no. In fact, it does not have the specific type
we are looking for... killing one's husband.
Arcadian Rises
The relatives killed carry latin names: mater (mother in matricide) pater,
frater etc. But there is no name for husband.
I can think of only one explanation: under the Roman, to kill one's husband was
not a crime, that's why they don't have a name for it.
Skitt
> Hope Munro Smith wrote:
>>> (David R. Throop) wrote:
>>> ->What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
>>> ->
>>> ->(I mean, like, the killing of one's husband, not the resurrection
>>> of
>>> ->one's wife. Although if you've got a word for the latter, or a
>>> ->technique for it, let's hear.)
>>> ->
>>> ->Some words with "uxor-" as the stem have opposites with the stem
>>> ->"vir-", but "viricide" means the killing of viruses, not husbands.
>>> ->
>>> ->Over on soc.men, we were discussing the relative frequencies of
>>> ->spousal poisonings. And we needed a term for this. I offered the
>>> ->term "hubbycide" but it didn't seem to catch on.
>>> ->
>>> ->Anybody?
>>>
>>> Though it's missing from most dictionaries: "mariticide."
>>
>>
>> http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=homicide
>
> Well -- no. In fact, it does not have the specific type
> we are looking for... killing one's husband.
Oh, you mean "justified"? (Sometimes.)
--
Skitt (in SF Bay Area) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/
I speak English well -- I learn it from a book!
-- Manuel (Fawlty Towers)
Mr. F. Le Mur
->Hope Munro Smith wrote:
->>
->> Mr. F. Le Mur <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message
news:<30amuuo269p7rr6tj...@4ax.com>...
->> > On 30 Nov 2002 07:06:45 -0600, thr...@cs.utexas.edu (David R. Throop)
wrote:
->> >
->> > ->What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
->> > ->
->> > ->(I mean, like, the killing of one's husband, not the resurrection of
->> > ->one's wife. Although if you've got a word for the latter, or a
->> > ->technique for it, let's hear.)
->> > ->
->> > ->Some words with "uxor-" as the stem have opposites with the stem
->> > ->"vir-", but "viricide" means the killing of viruses, not husbands.
->> > ->
->> > ->Over on soc.men, we were discussing the relative frequencies of
->> > ->spousal poisonings. And we needed a term for this. I offered the
->> > ->term "hubbycide" but it didn't seem to catch on.
->> > ->
->> > ->Anybody?
->> >
->> > Though it's missing from most dictionaries: "mariticide."
->> >
->> > ->
->> > ->David Throop
->>
->> This site has every type of homicide you'd want:
->>
->> http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=homicide
->
->Well -- no. In fact, it does not have the specific type
->we are looking for... killing one's husband.
They have the word ("mariticide"), but they had the wrong
def'n, which is:
http://www.islandnet.com/~egbird/dict/m.htm
mariticide - The murder of a husband by his wife
http://phrontistery.50megs.com/kill.html
mariticide - killing or killer of one's husband
http://teacherweb.com/pa/uasd/vcostello/hf2.stm
mariticide-n. killing of one's husband
Hope Munro Smith
lemu...@attxbi.com wrote:
The link I posted was from the show Homocide, so it is
probably less accurate than a dictionary site.
Michael Snyder
Skitt wrote in message ...
Are you saying that wives are more (or more frequently) "justified"
in killing their husbands than vice versa?
David R. Throop
In article <30amuuo269p7rr6tj...@4ax.com>,
Mr. F. Le Mur <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote:
>On 30 Nov 2002 07:06:45 -0600, thr...@cs.utexas.edu (David R. Throop) wrote:
>
>->What's the opposite of "uxorcide" - the killing of one's wife?
>Though it's missing from most dictionaries: "mariticide."
So it is! I googled for it and found a handful of uses. The Word
List at http://phrontistery.50megs.com/kill.html gives a huge list
of -cide's, including that one.
Interestingly, they give "killing of men or of husbands" as an
alternate definition of viricide.
Several sites also report that mariticide can either mean 'spouse
killing' or 'husband killing.'
Thanks Ferdiand!
David Throop
Michael Snyder
David R. Throop wrote in message ...
I'm not satisfied with this. There doesn't seem to be consensus
that it means husband-killing as opposed to spouse-killing. And
if you look at the root and interpret it relative to modern meanings,
(marital), you would never conclude that it meant husband-killing.
Skitt
Naah -- just funnin', but now you've made me wonder ...
Gary Vellenzer
Latin; marita for wife was not used. So mariticide is husband-killing
only, as I said in my post several days ago.
Spouse-killing is conjugicide.
Gary
David R. Throop
>> >Several sites also report that mariticide can either mean 'spouse
>> >killing' or 'husband killing.'
>> I'm not satisfied with this. There doesn't seem to be consensus
>> that it means husband-killing as opposed to spouse-killing.
Yes, 'uxorcide' is unambiguously about killing wives.
But 'mariticide' can either mean 'husband killing' or 'spouse
killing'.
Interestingly, this is the close analog to the case of 'woman' /
'man'. 'Woman' is unambiguously female, 'man' usually means a male
but sometimes either sex, or all people collectively (the rights of
man, all men were created equal, &c.)
I think, though, in a context where we are comparing uxorcide to
mariticide (such as in the frequency of spousal poisoning, which
started this discussion) it's pretty clear which meaning of mariticide
is intended.
David Throop
We know that man is a mammal, because he suckles his young.
Alan Jones
Has anyone yet pointed out that the word is "uxoricide", and not as in the
subject line?
Alan Jones
Michael Snyder
>
> Has anyone yet pointed out that the word is "uxoricide", and not as in the
> subject line?
By george -- you're right!
Hope Munro Smith
<msn...@redhat.com> wrote:
Every time I see the word it makes me think of something
that you'd use to kill weeds.
Gary Vellenzer
hop...@mail.utexas.NOSPAMedu says...
Gary
David R. Throop
Alan Jones <a...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Has anyone yet pointed out that the word is "uxoricide", and not as in the
>subject line?
Interesting. But I took the 'uxorcide' spelling from
Wilson, M., Daly, M. & Wright, C. (1993). Uxorcide in Canada:
Demographic risk patterns. Canadian Journal of Criminology, 35,
265-291.
Several of the word-lists I consulted also had 'uxorcide', as you'll
see if you Google for the term. But uxoricide seems to be the more
common usage, by a factor of 20 or so.
The Daly & Wright study, BTW, shows a much higher uxorcide rate
against women who bring children from a previous relationship into a
marriage.
David Throop
Alan Jones
"David R. Throop" <thr...@cs.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:asuif9$835$1...@yojo.cs.utexas.edu...
> In article <tlLH9.16384$DI1....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> Alan Jones <a...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Has anyone yet pointed out that the word is "uxoricide", and not as in
the
> >subject line?
>
> Interesting. But I took the 'uxorcide' spelling from
>
> Wilson, M., Daly, M. & Wright, C. (1993). Uxorcide in Canada:
> Demographic risk patterns. Canadian Journal of Criminology, 35,
> 265-291.
>
> Several of the word-lists I consulted also had 'uxorcide', as you'll
> see if you Google for the term. But uxoricide seems to be the more
> common usage, by a factor of 20 or so.
I can't find 'uxorcide', even as a variant, in OED2, NSOED or COD, or in
the two non-Oxford desk dictionaries most widely used in Britain - Chambers
and Collins. It isn't recognised by Meriam-Webster Online.
Can anyone find this spelling in a dictionary? A specialist dictionary of
criminology, perhaps?
Alan Jones
Mike Walker
"Alan Jones" <a...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Howard G Walker
Dictionary +uxorcide
resulted in no URLs.
A search for
Uxorcide
resulted in 17 URLs, The context of the thumbnails lead me to believe it is a
misspelling.
The string:
Dictionary +uxoricide
resulted in 70 URLs which lists at least two dictionaries: American Heritage
Dictionary and Webster’s 1913.
Uxoricide is listed at at wwftd. Today's word at that URL is:
absquatulate
http://members.aol.com/tsuwm/Frame1.html
If you suffer from logophilia, the following partial list of "U" words may be
of interest:.
ubiety - position, location; whereness
ufology - the study of unidentified flying objects
ugsome - frightful, loathsome [archaic]
ullage - the amount which a vessel, as a cask, of liquor lacks of being full;
wantage; deficiency
ultimogeniture - rights of the last-born
ultracrepidarianism -giving opinions outside of one's knowledge
ultrafidian - going beyond faith
ultramundane - situated beyond the world, or beyond the limits of the solar
system
ululate - howl, wail
unasinous - equally stupid
unctuous - fatty, oily; rich in organic matter; marked by a smug, ingratiating
and false earnestness
undercroft - underground room or vault, esp under a church; crypt
unguinous - fatty, oily
unipotent - having power in one way only; esp: capable of developing only in
one direction or to one end product
univocal - having one meaning only; unambiguous (ant. of equivocal)
et al