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Marius Hancu
Jan 3, 2012, 5:42:35 AM1/3/12
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Hello:
--
He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
---
"stringer": action man?
I found:
---
A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
something.
Urban Dict.
---
"shot up": is "up" necessary? any difference in meaning with it?
"put in a bag": killed?
--
Thanks.
Marius Hancu
--
He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
---
"stringer": action man?
I found:
---
A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
something.
Urban Dict.
---
"shot up": is "up" necessary? any difference in meaning with it?
"put in a bag": killed?
--
Thanks.
Marius Hancu
Leslie Danks
Jan 3, 2012, 6:00:31 AM1/3/12
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by gunfire.
> "put in a bag": killed?
--
Les
(BrE)
Don Phillipson
Jan 3, 2012, 7:46:03 AM1/3/12
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"Marius Hancu" <marius...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<<
He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
---
"stringer": action man?
I found:
---
A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
something.
Urban Dict.
>>
In newspapers, "stringer" is a part-time employee paid for piecework
(not on salary.) But we know that Prideaux was a lifelong and
pensionable MI6 "officer" (since head of the Scalphunters = physical
force crew) and not an "agent" (part-time helper:) so this might be
either an editorial slip or Circus jargon for an assistant or team member.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
news:054ae0d0-b3dc-4446...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
<<
He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
---
"stringer": action man?
I found:
---
A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
something.
Urban Dict.
>>
(not on salary.) But we know that Prideaux was a lifelong and
pensionable MI6 "officer" (since head of the Scalphunters = physical
force crew) and not an "agent" (part-time helper:) so this might be
either an editorial slip or Circus jargon for an assistant or team member.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Marius Hancu
Jan 3, 2012, 8:00:24 AM1/3/12
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On Jan 3, 7:46 am, "Don Phillipson" <e...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
> <<
> He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
> scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
> stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
>
> John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
> ---
>
> "stringer": action man?
>
> I found:
> ---
> A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
> something.
>
> Urban Dict.
>
>
>
> In newspapers, "stringer" is a part-time employee paid for piecework
> (not on salary.) But we know that Prideaux was a lifelong and
> pensionable MI6 "officer" (since head of the Scalphunters = physical
> force crew) and not an "agent" (part-time helper:) so this might be
> either an editorial slip or Circus jargon for an assistant or team member.
Great. Probably the 2nd.
> <<
> He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
> scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
> stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
>
> John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
> ---
>
> "stringer": action man?
>
> I found:
> ---
> A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
> something.
>
> Urban Dict.
>
>
>
> In newspapers, "stringer" is a part-time employee paid for piecework
> (not on salary.) But we know that Prideaux was a lifelong and
> pensionable MI6 "officer" (since head of the Scalphunters = physical
> force crew) and not an "agent" (part-time helper:) so this might be
> either an editorial slip or Circus jargon for an assistant or team member.
Marius Hancu
James Hogg
Jan 3, 2012, 8:09:35 AM1/3/12
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1973 H. Trevelyan Diplomatic Channels vii. 116 They [sc.
intelligence services] employ stringers to get caught and occasionally
exchanged; but these are regarded by proper spies as an inferior form of
life and are not admitted to the international spy confraternity.
--
James
Marius Hancu
Jan 3, 2012, 8:04:12 AM1/3/12
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On Jan 3, 6:00 am, Leslie Danks <leslie.da...@aon.at> wrote:
> > --
> > He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> > Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> > jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the scalphunters,
> > the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong stringer, had been
> > shot up and put in the bag.
>
> > John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy ---
>
> > "stringer": action man?
> > I found:
> > ---
> > A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> > information about them to authorities, often in exchange for something.
>
> > Urban Dict.
> > ---
>
> > "shot up": is "up" necessary? any difference in meaning with it?
>
> I would normally interpret "shot" as "shot dead" and "shot up" as injured
> by gunfire.
Great.
> > --
> > He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> > Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> > jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the scalphunters,
> > the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong stringer, had been
> > shot up and put in the bag.
>
> > John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy ---
>
> > "stringer": action man?
> > I found:
> > ---
> > A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> > information about them to authorities, often in exchange for something.
>
> > Urban Dict.
> > ---
>
> > "shot up": is "up" necessary? any difference in meaning with it?
>
> I would normally interpret "shot" as "shot dead" and "shot up" as injured
> by gunfire.
> > "put in a bag": killed?
>
> It's "put in _the_ bag"--meaning captured ("bagged").
Thanks.
Marius Hancu
David Dyer-Bennet
Jan 3, 2012, 10:24:26 AM1/3/12
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Marius Hancu <marius...@gmail.com> writes:
> Hello:
>
> --
> He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
> scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
> stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
>
> John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
> ---
>
> "stringer": action man?
> I found:
> ---
> A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
> something.
It's a term used in journalism for a local person your organization uses
> Hello:
>
> --
> He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
> scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
> stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
>
> John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
> ---
>
> "stringer": action man?
> I found:
> ---
> A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
> something.
regularly but probably doesn't formally employ (contract employee with
history). And journalism has a LOT in common with spying :-).
> Urban Dict.
> ---
>
> "shot up": is "up" necessary? any difference in meaning with it?
has precise limits in that area.
> "put in a bag": killed?
means here. (I think of the phrase as "in the bag", definite rather
than indefinite article. I don't know if it's used in Le Carre's form
elsewhere, or if he's deliberately altering it, or what. "In the bag"
is so common I can't imagine him just getting it "wrong", though.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, dd...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/
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tony cooper
Jan 3, 2012, 10:34:43 AM1/3/12
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:46:03 -0500, "Don Phillipson"
<e9...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
>"stringer": action man?
>
>I found:
>---
>A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
>information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
>something.
>
>Urban Dict.
>>>
>
>In newspapers, "stringer" is a part-time employee paid for piecework
>(not on salary.)
I know nothing of spy networks, but the above is not a correct
<e9...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
>"stringer": action man?
>
>I found:
>---
>A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
>information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
>something.
>
>Urban Dict.
>>>
>
>In newspapers, "stringer" is a part-time employee paid for piecework
>(not on salary.)
description of a "stringer" in the newspaper field. A stringer is not
an employee of a newspaper.
I'm not sure if there are stringers anymore, but at one time
newspapers in large towns had a network of stringers in the smaller
surrounding towns. The stringer submitted copy to the newspaper about
events in the stringer's town and was paid by the column-inch for what
was printed.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Robin Bignall
Jan 3, 2012, 4:17:47 PM1/3/12
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:42:35 -0800 (PST), Marius Hancu
<marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello:
>
>--
>He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
>Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
>jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
>scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
>stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
>
>John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
>---
>
>"stringer": action man?
>I found:
>---
>A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
>information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
>something.
>
I think in this case 'stringer' just refers to sidekick or follower. One
<marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello:
>
>--
>He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
>Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
>jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
>scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
>stringer, had been shot up and put in the bag.
>
>John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
>---
>
>"stringer": action man?
>I found:
>---
>A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
>information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
>something.
>
gets the impression that Bill Haydon was the high-flyer (who turns out
to be the mole) and Prideaux followed in his wake like a puppy, his
great supporter.
--
Robin Bignall
(BrE)
Herts, England
Marius Hancu
Jan 14, 2012, 7:50:41 AM1/14/12
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On Jan 3, 4:17 pm, Robin Bignall <docro...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >--
> >He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> >Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> >jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
> >scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
> >stringer, had beenshotup and put in the bag.
>
> >--
> >He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> >Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> >jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the
> >scalphunters, the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong
>
> >John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
> >---
>
> >"stringer": action man?
> >I found:
> >---
> >A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> >information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
> >something.
>
> I think in this case 'stringer' just refers to sidekick or follower. One
> gets the impression that Bill Haydon was the high-flyer (who turns out
> to be the mole) and Prideaux followed in his wake like a puppy, his
> great supporter.
Ouch, this was a huge spoiler.
> >John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
> >---
>
> >"stringer": action man?
> >I found:
> >---
> >A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> >information about them to authorities, often in exchange for
> >something.
>
> I think in this case 'stringer' just refers to sidekick or follower. One
> gets the impression that Bill Haydon was the high-flyer (who turns out
> to be the mole) and Prideaux followed in his wake like a puppy, his
> great supporter.
Marius Hancu
Marius Hancu
Jan 14, 2012, 7:55:47 AM1/14/12
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> > --
> > He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> > Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> > jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the scalphunters,
> > the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong stringer, had been
> >shotup and put in the bag.
> > He also knew, like everyone else, that a big operation had aborted in
> > Czechoslovakia, that the Foreign Office and the Defence Ministry had
> > jointly blown a gasket and that Jim Prideaux, head of the scalphunters,
> > the oldest Czecho hand, and Bill Haydon's lifelong stringer, had been
>
> > John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy ---
>
> > "stringer": action man?
> > I found:
> > ---
> > A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> > information about them to authorities, often in exchange for something.
>
> > Urban Dict.
> > ---
>
> > "shotup": is "up" necessary? any difference in meaning with it?
> > John le Carré, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy ---
>
> > "stringer": action man?
> > I found:
> > ---
> > A snitch or informant. A person who gossips about someone or who gives
> > information about them to authorities, often in exchange for something.
>
> > Urban Dict.
> > ---
>
>
> I would normally interpret "shot" as "shot dead" and "shot up" as injured
> by gunfire.
Well, the book itself shows that needs to be clarified:
> I would normally interpret "shot" as "shot dead" and "shot up" as injured
> by gunfire.
---
But when I told him that it was Jim who'd been shot, he looked at me
like a madman. Thought he was going to go for me. "Shot. Shot how?
Shot dead?" I shoved the bulletins into his hand and he tore through
them one by one-'
---
Thus, not automatic.
Marius Hancu
Leslie Danks
Jan 14, 2012, 8:11:14 AM1/14/12
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The words I used were "normally interpret", and I still think that. If
someone was hit by a bullet and survived, I would expect something like
"shot in the arm". Perhaps others might think that "the man who shot
Liberty Valance" had only injured him, but for me it's perfectly clear
that Mr. Valance is dead. Bill Haydon's "Shot. Shot how? Shot dead?" could
be a request for confirmation. AIIRC, the people in London did think that
Jim was dead when they first heard the news that he'd been shot.
--
Les
(BrE)
Marius Hancu
Jan 14, 2012, 9:06:05 AM1/14/12
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Marius Hancu
tony cooper
Jan 14, 2012, 9:31:05 AM1/14/12
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wounds. In your above quote, the person isn't told the Jim was "shot
up". He is told the person was shot.
"He was shot" does not tell you if the person was struck by one or by
many bullets or (shotgun) pellets. "He was shot up" tells you there
was more than one.
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