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Bun Mui

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What does "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" mean in English usage, when Manfred Mann
sung this song?

"Blinded by the Light" means in English usage that Manfred Mann got his
eye damaged by looking at the sun too long?

Comments?


Bun Mui


Peter Hartikka

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Bun Mui <Bun...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
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> What does "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" mean in English usage, when Manfred Mann
> sung this song?

What, you've never seen "L.A. Story"?

Skitt

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Bun Mui wrote in message ...

>What does "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" mean in English usage, when Manfred Mann
>sung this song?
>
>"Blinded by the Light" means in English usage that Manfred Mann got his
>eye damaged by looking at the sun too long?
>
>Comments?


Surely, the fact that he only had one eye is worthy of a comment or two.
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Murray Arnow

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Peter Hartikka (hart...@washington.state.resident.com) wrote:
: Bun Mui <Bun...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
: <exFz1.177$Ib2.1...@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>...

: > What does "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" mean in English usage, when Manfred Mann
: > sung this song?

: What, you've never seen "L.A. Story"?
Or listen to Jack Benny and the dulcet voice of Phil Harris singing

Let me tell ya' about a town called Do Wah Diddy
It ain't no town, it ain't no city
It's oh so nice and oh so pretty
Do Wah Diddy

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be, along with my memory.

JNugent231

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>: Bun Mui <Bun...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
>: <exFz1.177$Ib2.1...@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>...
>: > What does "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" mean in English usage, when Manfred Mann
>: > sung this song?

"Sang" this song, surely? And anyway, it wasn't Manfred Mann who SANG it - it
was Paul Jones......

mer...@mind#spring.com

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mar...@wwa.com (Murray Arnow) wrote:

>Peter Hartikka (hart...@washington.state.resident.com) wrote:
>: Bun Mui <Bun...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
>: <exFz1.177$Ib2.1...@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>...
>: > What does "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" mean in English usage, when Manfred Mann
>: > sung this song?
>

>: What, you've never seen "L.A. Story"?
>Or listen to Jack Benny and the dulcet voice of Phil Harris singing
>
>Let me tell ya' about a town called Do Wah Diddy
>It ain't no town, it ain't no city
>It's oh so nice and oh so pretty
>Do Wah Diddy
>
>Nostalgia ain't what it used to be, along with my memory.

I don't know about Jack Benny and Phil Harris, but the lyrics I have
heard (and the title of the song) is "Diddy Wah Diddy".


mersey@mind#spring.com
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Robert Lieblich

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I _do_ know about Jack Benny and Phil Harris. The show (radio, pre-TV)
was Benny's, and Harris was his bandleader (until he left and Bob
Crosby, Bing's kid brother, took over). I'd swear that Harris sang
"Doo Wah Diddy." I think he sometimes claimed the place as his home
town. If the published lyrics differed from what he sang, that's hardly
novel.

Now, will someone please post the lyrics to "That's What I Like About
the South"? They're most appropriate to aue.

[Note also that the ineffable (and indefatigable) Bum Nui (buried up
there in the attributions) is indeed including the words "English usage"
in all postings. Perhaps BM will soon favor us with an inquiry about
the meaning "in English usage" of some obscure Cantonese phrase.]

Bob Lieblich

Maria Conlon

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mersey@mind#spring.com wrote in message

>I don't know about Jack Benny and Phil Harris, but the lyrics I have
>heard (and the title of the song) is "Diddy Wah Diddy".
>

Are you another Leon Redbone fan, I hope? I think I'm going to put on a
tape right now, and listen to "Seduced."

Anyone else familiar with LR? What would you call (*in English usage*)
his kind of songs? Blues? Dixie? (Please, no words -- English or
otherwise -- describing his voice. There are no words.)

Maria Conlon


a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca

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On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:50:18 GMT, Bun Mui
<Bun...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

>What does "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" mean in English usage, when Manfred Mann
>sung this song?
>

>"Blinded by the Light" means in English usage that Manfred Mann got his
>eye damaged by looking at the sun too long?
>
>Comments?
>
>

>Bun Mui
>
I was sruck by this: not stricken as some purport to be. For the
first time I am responding to that plaintive semi-question
"Comments?", so in feminine sympathy treat me with gentleness.

And with that hope for a happy outcome _I_ must ask a question, a
real one, of my own -- who is Manfred Mann? "Blinded by the
Light" sounds too close to Saul's experience for me to shrug off
the tremor of recognition. What is Manfred's real name? Is he
accepting converts (note my humility -- no capital letter for
neophytes) and where does he sing, and -- most inportant of all
-- Who is his Master?

If E-mail appears safer to you do please use the address given
here: it is -- as far as I know -- unbugged.

mer...@mind#spring.com

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"Maria Conlon" <mcon...@sprynet.com> wrote:

>
>mersey@mind#spring.com wrote in message
>
>>I don't know about Jack Benny and Phil Harris, but the lyrics I have
>>heard (and the title of the song) is "Diddy Wah Diddy".
>>
>
>Are you another Leon Redbone fan, I hope? I think I'm going to put on a
>tape right now, and listen to "Seduced."

I thought the song was Bo Diddley's. Is LR the true author or did he
get the song from BD?

>Anyone else familiar with LR?

Sorry, but I'm not familiar with his work.

>Maria Conlon

K1912

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Maria Conlon wrote:

>Anyone else familiar with LR? What would you call (*in English usage*)
>his kind of songs? Blues? Dixie? (Please, no words -- English or
>otherwise -- describing his voice. There are no words.)
>
>

I am, from the "Johnny Carson Show." I don't know what you'd call his kind of
songs. If I'm not mistaken he's singing some TV commercial now. Are you also a
Tom Waite fan?

George

K1912

Bun Mui

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> Re: Do Wah Diddy Diddy
>
> From: spam...@merriewood.com (Mimi Kahn)
> Reply to: [1]spam...@merriewood.com
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:17:54 -0700
> Organization: Very Little
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> [2]alt.usage.english
> Followup to: [3]newsgroup(s)
> References:
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> [6]<6qndn7$kas$1...@hirame.wwa.com>
> [7]<35cf77e5...@news.mindspring.com>
> [8]<35CF7D...@erols.com>

>
>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:10:14 -0400, Robert Lieblich
><lieb...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>[Note also that the ineffable (and indefatigable) Bum Nui (buried up
>>there in the attributions) is indeed including the words "English usage"
>>in all postings. Perhaps BM will soon favor us with an inquiry about
>>the meaning "in English usage" of some obscure Cantonese phrase.]
>
>"In English usage" is the Bunster's method of trying, with all
>deliberate futility, to make its posts appear on topic.
>
>* Do you like this British rock musician in English usage? He is not
>good English usage in my opinion.
>
>* I don't like what the U.S. have done to the Teletubbies in English
>usage. Comments?
>
>* Show me the way to San Jose in English usage. I tried to get there
>on U.S. 10, and someone threw an orange peel at me. Comments?
>
>Comments? (In English usage, of course.)

Where did you falsely obtain these comments in English usage?

This is an example of "misrepresentation of plagiarism" in English usage
by, Mimi Kahn and you don't paraphrase too well either, do you?

Foul! Foul! Foul!


Bun Mui


John Holmes

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Maria Conlon wrote:

>Anyone else familiar with LR? What would you call (*in English usage*)
>his kind of songs? Blues? Dixie?

Both of those at times.There have been a lot of well known jazz musos in
his backing groups. How about 'nostalgic', 'eclectic'?

(Please, no words -- English or
>otherwise -- describing his voice. There are no words.)

Not even 'debauched'? (Have you heard his rendition of "Sheik of
Araby"?)

ObOntopic:The song "Diddy Wa Diddie"[sic] on LR's album "Double Time" is
credited to "Blind Blake".

Regards,
John.
hol...@smart.net.au
email copies of any replies would be appreciated.


Mike Barnes

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In alt.usage.english, mersey@mind#spring.com spake thuswise:

>"Maria Conlon" <mcon...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>mersey@mind#spring.com wrote in message
>>
>>>I don't know about Jack Benny and Phil Harris, but the lyrics I have
>>>heard (and the title of the song) is "Diddy Wah Diddy".
>>>
>>
>>Are you another Leon Redbone fan, I hope? I think I'm going to put on a
>>tape right now, and listen to "Seduced."
>
>I thought the song was Bo Diddley's. Is LR the true author or did he
>get the song from BD?

AFAIK Ellas McDaniel (Bo Diddley) wrote both "Doo Wah Diddy Diddy" (the
subject of this thread: "There she goes just a-walkin' down the
street...") and "Diddy Wah Diddy" ("I got a girl named Diddy Wah
Diddy...").

--
-- Mike Barnes, Stockport, England.
-- If you post a response to Usenet, please *don't* send me a copy by e-mail.

JNugent231

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>From: a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca

>_I_ must ask a question, a
>real one, of my own -- who is Manfred Mann?

>What is Manfred's real name?

His real name is Manfred Mann.

pet...@ms.com

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In article <199808102243...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

jnuge...@aol.com (JNugent231) wrote:
> >: Bun Mui <Bun...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
> >: <exFz1.177$Ib2.1...@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>...
> >: > What does "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" mean in English usage, when Manfred Mann
> >: > sung this song?
>

> "Sang" this song, surely? And anyway, it wasn't Manfred Mann who SANG it - it
> was Paul Jones......
>

Manfred Man sang

there she was just a walkin down the street
Singin Do Wah Diddy ditty Dum ditty do
Snappin her fingers and shufflin her feet
singing ...

Sounds real attractive.
HTH
Pjk

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mer...@mind#spring.com

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jnuge...@aol.com (JNugent231) wrote:

Actually, his birth name was Manfred Lubowitz.

Armond Perretta

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>Maria Conlon wrote: ... Anyone else familiar with LR?

>What would you call (*in English usage*) his kind
>of songs? Blues? Dixie?

I'm not familiar with his most recent output. When Leon started out he
was a "cleaned-up-for-general-consumption" ragtime guitar player and singer.
His repertory consisted of many of the blues and ragtime songs written and
performed by black musicians in the US in the early decades of this century.
His unusual voice and retro-40's appearance made him easy to remember.

The piano style known as "ragtime" featured a flowing melody played over
what was called a "stride bass." I'm afraid I cannot describe it much
better than that. As soon as it became obvious that most pianos didn't fit
very well into guitar cases (and were a lot heavier), the black itinerant
musicians of the period transcribed the most popular ragtime songs for
the guitar. Thus was born the style of "ragtime guitar" (or "ragtime blues
guitar"). The melody was played on the lower strings with one or two
fingers, and the bass was played on the upper strings with the thumb.
When done well, this style often sounds like two different instruments
played simultaneously.

There were many black artists who became famous in this genre; Blind Blake
and Reverend Gary Davis come to mind. During the 1950's and '60's a
number of white musicians "appropriated" some of these ideas and did very
well during the folk music craze of that period. In the US two of the
better known artists were Dave van Ronk and Stefan Grossman. In the
UK Bert Jansch and others carried on the new "tradition."

As I recall it Leon came along toward the end of the "craze" and was a
pretty good imitator. He was able to carry his style and unusual voice and
appearance into other venues and even did some well known advertising work
on US television. I gather from your post that he's still going strong and
has many loyal fans.

s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat (remove "BOAT")

Skitt

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a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca wrote in message <35cf2124...@news.bctel.ca>...

>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:50:18 GMT, Bun Mui
><Bun...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
>>What does "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" mean in English usage, when Manfred Mann
>>sung this song?
>>
>>"Blinded by the Light" means in English usage that Manfred Mann got his
>>eye damaged by looking at the sun too long?
>>
>>Comments?
>>
>>
>>Bun Mui
>>
>I was sruck by this: not stricken as some purport to be. For the
>first time I am responding to that plaintive semi-question
>"Comments?", so in feminine sympathy treat me with gentleness.
>
>And with that hope for a happy outcome _I_ must ask a question, a
>real one, of my own -- who is Manfred Mann? "Blinded by the
>Light" sounds too close to Saul's experience for me to shrug off
>the tremor of recognition. What is Manfred's real name? Is he
>accepting converts (note my humility -- no capital letter for
>neophytes) and where does he sing, and -- most inportant of all
>-- Who is his Master?
>
>If E-mail appears safer to you do please use the address given
>here: it is -- as far as I know -- unbugged.

I ain't the Bun, but here's the scoop.
Read all about it:
http://www.manfredmann.co.uk/back_stage/biography/manbiog.html

JNugent231

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>From: pet...@ms.com

>Manfred Man sang
>
>there she was just a walkin down the street
>Singin Do Wah Diddy ditty Dum ditty do
>Snappin her fingers and shufflin her feet
>singing ...
>
>Sounds real attractive.
>HTH
>Pjk

Attractive in a very 1964 sort of a way.....

Mandfred Mann (and that is his real name) is/was the keyboard player in his
group which bears the same name as he does.

At the time of the hit recording "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" (sp?), the lead singer in
the group was Paul Jones (nowadays a blues singer, BBC radio presenter and
sometime actor). Manfred (and other members of the group) also sang "backing
vocals".

The line-up in mid-1964 was:

Paul Jones vocalist
Manfred Mann piano/organ/vocals
Mike Hugg drums/vibes
Tom McGuinness bass guitar/vocals
Mike Vickers guitar/vocals.

Later, Jones was replaced by Mike D'Abo, McGuinness changed to guitar (Vickers
had left) and a series of new bass-players were recruited (one being Jack Bruce
and another Klaus Voorman).

It was Paul Jones who sang:

>there she was just a walkin down the street

>[several members sing line here]


>Snappin her fingers and shufflin her feet

>[several members sing line here]

Skitt

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JNugent231 wrote in message
<199808111818...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Mandfred Mann (and that is his real name) is/was the keyboard player in his
>group which bears the same name as he does.


Not quite -- his name was originally Manfred Lubowitz, and the band has had
several names through the years.


See http://www.manfredmann.co.uk/back_stage/biography/manbiog.html

a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca

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On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:35:34 GMT, mersey@mind#spring.com wrote:

>jnuge...@aol.com (JNugent231) wrote:
>
>>>From: a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca
>>

>>>_I_ must ask a question, a
>>>real one, of my own -- who is Manfred Mann?
>>

>>>What is Manfred's real name?
>>

>>His real name is Manfred Mann.
>
>Actually, his birth name was Manfred Lubowitz.
>
>
>mersey@mind#spring.com

Thank you. Seems to be hiding the light under a bushel or
something.

David Blakey

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BO DIDDLEY - The Originator.
A celebration of his unique contribution to Popular Music.

JNugent231

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>From: "Skitt" <al...@myself.com>

>>Mandfred Mann (and that is his real name) is/was the keyboard player in his
>>group which bears the same name as he does.
>
>
>Not quite -- his name was originally Manfred Lubowitz, and the band has had
>several names through the years.

Oh well, 50% isn't bad! :-)


P&DSchultz

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Mike Barnes wrote:
> <...>

> AFAIK Ellas McDaniel (Bo Diddley) wrote both "Doo Wah Diddy Diddy" (the
> subject of this thread: "There she goes just a-walkin' down the
> street...") and "Diddy Wah Diddy" ("I got a girl named Diddy Wah
> Diddy...").

I wish somebody would tell me what Diddy-Wah-Diddy means.
//P. Schultz

Richard Harrington

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I believe, from my childhood reading of American folk tales, that
Diddy-Wa-Diddy
is an imaginary land, rather like Shangri-La or the Garden of Eden.
IIRC, there was something about trees which grew barbequed chickens and
rivers of milk.
The myth was, I think, current among slaves in the coastal South,
particuarly Florida and the Carolinas. Its origin may be African or
local Native American.
How it got into those songs, I have no idea.

Regards
Richard Harrington

pet...@ms.com

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In article <199808111818...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

jnuge...@aol.com (JNugent231) wrote:
> >From: pet...@ms.com
>
> >Manfred Man sang
> >
> >there she was just a walkin down the street
> >Singin Do Wah Diddy ditty Dum ditty do
> >Snappin her fingers and shufflin her feet
> >singing ...
> >
> >Sounds real attractive.
> >HTH
> >Pjk
>
> Attractive in a very 1964 sort of a way.....
>
> Mandfred Mann (and that is his real name) is/was the keyboard player in his
> group which bears the same name as he does.
>
> At the time of the hit recording "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" (sp?), the lead singer
in
> the group was Paul Jones (nowadays a blues singer, BBC radio presenter and
> sometime actor). Manfred (and other members of the group) also sang "backing
> vocals".
>
> The line-up in mid-1964 was:
>
> Paul Jones vocalist
> Manfred Mann piano/organ/vocals
> Mike Hugg drums/vibes
> Tom McGuinness bass guitar/vocals
> Mike Vickers guitar/vocals.
>
> Later, Jones was replaced by Mike D'Abo, McGuinness changed to guitar (Vickers
> had left) and a series of new bass-players were recruited (one being Jack
Bruce

Jack Bruce of later Cream fame? Where did Ginger Baker
come from, then, to fill out the trio?

TIA

Charles Strauss

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In article <6qpu7i$b66$1...@camel19.mindspring.com> "Armond Perretta" <kerry...@BOATgeocities.com> writes:
>
>>Maria Conlon wrote: ... Anyone else familiar with LR?
>>What would you call (*in English usage*) his kind
>>of songs? Blues? Dixie?
>
>I'm not familiar with his most recent output. When Leon started out he
>
>The piano style known as "ragtime" featured a flowing melody played over
>what was called a "stride bass." I'm afraid I cannot describe it much
>better than that. As soon as it became obvious that most pianos didn't fit

A small (I hope not pedantic) correction: the classic ragtime bass has octaves
played on-the-beat; a stride bass replaces most of those octaves with 10ths.
The break between these two styles occurred in the late 1920s.

JNugent231

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>From: pet...@ms.com

[re: Manfred Mann]

>> The line-up in mid-1964 was:
>>
>> Paul Jones vocalist
>> Manfred Mann piano/organ/vocals
>> Mike Hugg drums/vibes
>> Tom McGuinness bass guitar/vocals
>> Mike Vickers guitar/vocals.
>>
>> Later, Jones was replaced by Mike D'Abo, McGuinness changed to guitar
>(Vickers
>> had left) and a series of new bass-players were recruited (one being Jack
>Bruce
>
>Jack Bruce of later Cream fame? Where did Ginger Baker
>come from, then, to fill out the trio?

Jack Bruce left Manfred Mann to form Cream. Ginger Baker (AFAICR) was working
with Graham Bond (the group was called "The Graham Bond Organisation) just
before he joined Cream. Eric Clapton was, of course, working with John Mayall,
though perhaps not right up until Cream started. Jack Bruce's replacement in
Manfred Mann was Klaus Voorman, the Hamburg friend of the Beatles.

Ginger and Eric were very well known before they worked together. Jack was a
little less-well-known perhaps. The UK music press (particularly "Melody
Maker") was "telegraphing" the new group for a month or two before the
announcement of its formation.

Pierre Jelenc

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<pet...@ms.com> writes:
>
> Jack Bruce of later Cream fame? Where did Ginger Baker
> come from, then, to fill out the trio?

He played (with Bruce, and Dick Heckstall-Smith and John McLaughlin) in
the Graham Bond Organisation. Clapton and Bruce also played together with
John Mayall, though not on record I think.

Pierre
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Brian J Goggin

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On 12 Aug 1998 18:22:16 GMT, jnuge...@aol.com (JNugent231) wrote:

[...]

>Jack Bruce left Manfred Mann to form Cream. Ginger Baker (AFAICR) was working
>with Graham Bond (the group was called "The Graham Bond Organisation) just
>before he joined Cream. Eric Clapton was, of course, working with John Mayall,
>though perhaps not right up until Cream started. Jack Bruce's replacement in
>Manfred Mann was Klaus Voorman, the Hamburg friend of the Beatles.

Jack Bruce was in both The Graham Bond Organisation and Mayall's Blues
Breakers.

bjg


pet...@ms.com

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In article <199808121822...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

jnuge...@aol.com (JNugent231) wrote:
> >From: pet...@ms.com
>
> [re: Manfred Mann]
>
> >> The line-up in mid-1964 was:
> >>
> >> Paul Jones vocalist
> >> Manfred Mann piano/organ/vocals
> >> Mike Hugg drums/vibes
> >> Tom McGuinness bass guitar/vocals
> >> Mike Vickers guitar/vocals.
> >>
> >> Later, Jones was replaced by Mike D'Abo, McGuinness changed to guitar
> >(Vickers
> >> had left) and a series of new bass-players were recruited (one being Jack
> >Bruce
> >
> >Jack Bruce of later Cream fame? Where did Ginger Baker
> >come from, then, to fill out the trio?
>
> Jack Bruce left Manfred Mann to form Cream. Ginger Baker (AFAICR) was working
> with Graham Bond (the group was called "The Graham Bond Organisation) just
> before he joined Cream. Eric Clapton was, of course, working with John Mayall,
> though perhaps not right up until Cream started. Jack Bruce's replacement in
> Manfred Mann was Klaus Voorman, the Hamburg friend of the Beatles.
>
> Ginger and Eric were very well known before they worked together. Jack was a
> little less-well-known perhaps. The UK music press (particularly "Melody
> Maker") was "telegraphing" the new group for a month or two before the
> announcement of its formation.
>
>
The rest, I suppose, is history. Eric did OK with his
later career but what happened to Bruce and Baker. They
never were part of anything comparable after Cream. Drugs?

Thanks very much

JNugent231

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>From: pet...@ms.com

>The rest, I suppose, is history. Eric did OK with his
>later career but what happened to Bruce and Baker. They
>never were part of anything comparable after Cream. Drugs?

Jack went back to jazz, Ginger got involved (in some way) with the music scene
in Lagos, Nigeria (and with a band called "Ginger Baker's Airforce"). That's
about all I know.

Albert Marshall

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JNugent231 <jnuge...@aol.com> wrote

The "Airforce" was lead band at the Hollywood Festival back in '70. I
thought it was overmanned and overhyped. The actual hit of the show was
Mungo Jerry -- whatever happened to THEM?
--
Albert Marshall
Visual Solutions
Kent, England
01634 400902

Mike Barnes

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Aug 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/14/98
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In alt.usage.english, Albert Marshall <albert....@execfrog.demon.co
.uk> spake thuswise:

>JNugent231 <jnuge...@aol.com> wrote
>>>From: pet...@ms.com
>>
>>>The rest, I suppose, is history. Eric did OK with his
>>>later career but what happened to Bruce and Baker. They
>>>never were part of anything comparable after Cream. Drugs?
>>
>>Jack went back to jazz, Ginger got involved (in some way) with the music scene
>>in Lagos, Nigeria (and with a band called "Ginger Baker's Airforce"). That's
>>about all I know.

Ginger formed a one-album band "Blind Faith", pretty soon after Cream.
Jack might have been involved also.

>The "Airforce" was lead band at the Hollywood Festival back in '70. I
>thought it was overmanned and overhyped. The actual hit of the show was
>Mungo Jerry -- whatever happened to THEM?

For me the hit of the show was The Grateful Dead. Might have been '71,
come to think of it.

JNugent231

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>From: Mike Barnes <mi...@exodus.co.uk>

>>>Jack went back to jazz, Ginger got involved (in some way) with the music
>scene
>>>in Lagos, Nigeria (and with a band called "Ginger Baker's Airforce").
>That's
>>>about all I know.
>
>Ginger formed a one-album band "Blind Faith", pretty soon after Cream.
>Jack might have been involved also.

Thanks for reminding me. "Blind Faith":

- Eric Clapton (guitar)
- Stevie Winwood (guitar/keyboards)
- Ginger Baker (drums)
- Rick (Rik?) Grech (sp?) (bass).

Rik Grech (however spelt) later joined..... the Crickets!

Andy Mabbett

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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In article <6qus24$onn$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, pet...@ms.com writes

>what happened to Bruce and Baker.

[...]

Bruce became more involved in Jazz, working with Carla Bley and Michael
Mantler, for instance.

Baker worked on a number of projects, including at least one tour with
Hawkwind and an album with PIL (Public Image Limited)

>Drugs?

Compared to Clapton? Amateurs!
--
Andy Mabbett: Personal view only - *not* my employers!

>The citizenry at large seems to have an unlimited right to offend _me_,
>but I don't have reciprocal rights. (Avedon Carol)

pet...@ms.com

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In article <GHYlxlBG...@bham-assist.demon.co.uk>,

Andy Mabbett <amab...@bham-assist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6qus24$onn$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, pet...@ms.com writes
>
> >what happened to Bruce and Baker.
>
> [...]
>
> Bruce became more involved in Jazz, working with Carla Bley and Michael
> Mantler, for instance.
>
> Baker worked on a number of projects, including at least one tour with
> Hawkwind and an album with PIL (Public Image Limited)
>
> >Drugs?
>
> Compared to Clapton? Amateurs!
>
> >

Where does that put Keith Richards? 8-(
Whatever happened to Esther Satterfield? She did that
album with Chuck Mangione, the Land of Makebelieve, then
went out on her own with one LP that I know of. She had
a better voice than most and I always thought she'd be
a bigger hit.

Tia

Andy Mabbett

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Aug 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/31/98
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In article <SoBCPJA$B001...@execfrog.demon.co.uk>, Albert Marshall
<albert....@execfrog.demon.co.uk> writes

>Mungo Jerry -- whatever happened to THEM?

Still gigging, at smaller UK venues.
--
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Birmingham City Council - http://www.birmingham.gov.uk
Phone: (+) 44 121 303 3640 - Fax: (+) 44 121 212 1930
Post: 3rd Floor, Central Library, Birmingham B3 3HQ

Lindsay

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Andy Mabbett wrote in message <+8XbPKCw...@bham-assist.demon.co.uk>...

>In article <SoBCPJA$B001...@execfrog.demon.co.uk>, Albert Marshall
><albert....@execfrog.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Mungo Jerry -- whatever happened to THEM?
>
>Still gigging, at smaller UK venues.


At first glance, I read this as "giggling". Which could be appropriate.

(memo to self: *Must* read with more care.)

Linz
--
oh, not really a pedant, I wouldn't say
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