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Sathyaish

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Feb 19, 2004, 5:13:05 AM2/19/04
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The hyphenation in the title was intentional. Pathology commonly
refers to the science of the study of disease. The suffix "logy"
cannotes study or persuasion, and my inference: the root "patho" or
some derivative of the word implies disease or maladaption or
compulsive aberration. Yet, when I see the word in all its hues,
pathetic, pathological etc., I fail to reconcile the lexical
foundation of the word patho.


Help appreciated.

mUs1Ka

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Feb 19, 2004, 5:18:45 AM2/19/04
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Look up 'pathos' in a dictionary. Its original (Greek) meaning will help
with your reconciliation.

m.


Michael Nitabach

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Feb 19, 2004, 11:03:13 AM2/19/04
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VisualBas...@yahoo.com (Sathyaish) wrote in
news:7b662036.04021...@posting.google.com:

> I fail to reconcile the lexical
> foundation of the word patho.

The Greek root "pathos" means suffering.

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Mike Nitabach

Arcadian Rises

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Feb 19, 2004, 12:09:45 PM2/19/04
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In article <c122fl$1asemo$1...@ID-193735.news.uni-berlin.de>, "mUs1Ka"
<mUs...@exite.com> writes:

I fail to reconcile "path" in "osteopath" with path's lexical foundation.

Arcadian Rises

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Feb 19, 2004, 12:23:51 PM2/19/04
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>From: Michael Nitabach mnit...@acedsl.com

Then what do you make of "path" in "osteopath" or "naturopath"?


Martin Ambuhl

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Feb 19, 2004, 12:41:03 PM2/19/04
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Arcadian Rises wrote:


> I fail to reconcile "path" in "osteopath" with path's lexical foundation.

[COD10: the 'e:' is an e-macron]
-path
· comb. form
1 denoting a practitioner of curative treatment: homeopath.
2 denoting a person who suffers from a disease: psychopath.
– ORIGIN back-form. from -pathy, or from Gk -pathe:s ‘-sufferer’.

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Martin Ambuhl

Martin Ambuhl

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Feb 19, 2004, 12:44:35 PM2/19/04
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Arcadian Rises wrote:


> Then what do you make of "path" in "osteopath" or "naturopath"?

Once again:

Arcadian Rises

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Feb 19, 2004, 4:56:34 PM2/19/04
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>From: Martin Ambuhl mam...@earthlink.net

Once again: I fail to reconcile "path" in "homeopath"
[1 denoting a practitioner of curative treatment: homeopath]

with path's lexical foundation.

[ ORIGIN back-form. from -pathy, or from Gk -pathe:s ‘-sufferer’.]

mUs1Ka

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Feb 19, 2004, 6:11:44 PM2/19/04
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Arcadian Rises wrote:
>
> Once again: I fail to reconcile "path" in "homeopath"
> [1 denoting a practitioner of curative treatment: homeopath]
>
> with path's lexical foundation.
>
> [ ORIGIN back-form. from -pathy, or from Gk -pathe:s '-sufferer'.]


Homeopathy - treating a disease by prescribing small doses of "drugs" which
produce symptoms *similar* to those of the [1] *disease* itself.

Homeo - similar
pathy - suffering
[1] disease - dis + ease - suffering.

m.


Donna Richoux

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Feb 19, 2004, 6:32:54 PM2/19/04
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Arcadian Rises <arcadi...@aol.com> wrote:

What is there to reconcile? You know what a "back-formation" means,
right? First there was a noun "homeopathy," and then someone decided
that a person who practices homeopathy must be a "homeopath." It just
comes from shortening the form of the word, it no longer relates to the
original root histories.

There are lots of back formations but naturally all examples escape me.
Except that just the other day, someone pointed out that
"trouble-shooter" existed before "trouble-shoot."

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Best -- Donna Richoux

Michael West

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Feb 19, 2004, 7:21:23 PM2/19/04
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I take your point. I'd guess those are simply truncated forms, for
convenience, of "osteopathic practitioner" or whatever. Maybe.
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Michael West


Arcadian Rises

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Feb 20, 2004, 11:15:45 AM2/20/04
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In article <1g9fhy4.1vs5g9ulzcfbkN%tr...@euronet.nl>, tr...@euronet.nl (Donna
Richoux) writes:

>
>What is there to reconcile? You know what a "back-formation" means,
>right? First there was a noun "homeopathy," and then someone decided
>that a person who practices homeopathy must be a "homeopath." It just
>comes from shortening the form of the word, it no longer relates to the
>original root histories.
>


You're absolutely right, there is not need of reconciliation, or even slightest
agreement with etymology in cases of back formation.

back-formation

n : a word invented (usually unwittingly by subtracting an affix) on the
assumption that a familiar word derives from it.


>There are lots of back formations but naturally all examples escape me.

The typical example is "Utopia" (Gr for nowhere land). But one of the most
illistrative examples is "cheesburger".

Arcadian Rises

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Feb 20, 2004, 11:16:04 AM2/20/04
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In article <c13fph$1ebh9g$1...@ID-193735.news.uni-berlin.de>, "mUs1Ka"
<mUs...@exite.com> writes:

That explains "homeopathy", but not "homeopath".

mUs1Ka

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Feb 20, 2004, 1:54:27 PM2/20/04
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Don't be cute. You have already replied to Donna's post about backformation.
Besides which, the answer is in your own post.
... path - backformation of ...pathy. I didn't realise you were a troll. Now
I know.
m.


Arcadian Rises

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Feb 20, 2004, 3:44:53 PM2/20/04
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>From: "mUs1Ka" mUs...@exite.com

The answer is in Donna's post: there is nothing to be reconciled when it's a
backformation.

>... path - backformation of ...pathy.

That was not _your_ explanation, but I'm glad you finally got the point.

>I didn't realise you were a troll. Now
>I know.


If clarifying a point makes one a troll, then I'm glad to be a troll. And a
cute one, as you said.

mUs1Ka

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Feb 20, 2004, 4:08:17 PM2/20/04
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Arcadian Rises wrote:
>> From: "mUs1Ka" mUs...@exite.com

>
> The answer is in Donna's post: there is nothing to be reconciled when
> it's a backformation.
>
>> ... path - backformation of ...pathy.
>
> That was not _your_ explanation, ...
>
Sorry, I credited you with some intelligence to take the little step on your
own. I won't do it again.
m.


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