Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart

[Jack Campin]

Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
tense form?

I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
either.

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[Harrison Hill]

On Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:53:30 UTC, Jack Campin wrote:
> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> tense form?
>
> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
> either.

Are you listening to The Wham original?
Normal County dialect of English.

[Peter Moylan]

On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:
> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> tense form?
>
> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
> either.

Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
to me yestady".

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

[RH Draney]

On 12/24/2015 5:36 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:
>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> tense form?
>

> Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
> to me yestady".

In Ebonics, the past tense of "give" is "done give"....r

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <bogus-428DB7....@four.schnuerpel.eu>,

Jack Campin <bo...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>tense form?

No, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of accents where <gave>
/geIv/ ends up sounding like [gEv]. Unrounded front vowels either
way, just a downward shift that's well-enough attested in other
circumstances.

>I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>either.

Better revoke George's poetic license then.

Other than being lengthened to fit the context I don't think there's
anything remarkable about this pronunciation. [spESl] is my
pronunciation but ['spE,SVl] is scarcely noticeable.

-GAWollman

--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

[Ross]

On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 8:53:30 AM UTC+13, Jack Campin wrote:
> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> tense form?
>
> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
> either.
>

Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
in it?

Or are you just saying you don't like (whoever's) singing style?

[Jack Campin]

>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> tense form?
>> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>> either.
> Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
> in it?
> Or are you just saying you don't like (whoever's) singing style?

It's pronounced in a pretty odd way, much softer and longer
than I've heard in any other context.

Whether the singer ever uses that sound in normal speech I have
no idea.

[GordonD]

On 24/12/2015 19:53, Jack Campin wrote:
> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> tense form?
>
> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
> either.

You've never been in a Glasgow pub?

--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:43:59 -0800 (PST), Ross <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:

>On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 8:53:30 AM UTC+13, Jack Campin wrote:
>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> tense form?
>>
>> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>> either.
>>
>
>Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
>in it?

I think I've heard it in a very "upmarket" RP as approximately
"spess-ee-ul".

>
>Or are you just saying you don't like (whoever's) singing style?

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Peter T. Daniels]

? What's "Ebonics"?

Are you maybe thinking of the lyric "My mama done tole me"? That suggests
that in such a dialect it would be "done gave."

[Ross]

...unless it's "done give":

In Mobile, they done give me the keys to the city... (Winston Groom,
Forrest Gump)

When she took the cloth off the loom, she done give me the "thrums".
(Betty Cofer, North Carolina Ex-Slave Narratives)

...she done give him de larst drap in de cup. (Maria Blunt, "Marse
Archies Fight", Scribner's Magazine, 1887)

(Not that this discussion is likely to get far unless there's some
agreement on what variety we're talking about.)

[Peter T. Daniels]

Hence my query above.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2015-12-25 06:43:59 +0000, Ross said:

> On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 8:53:30 AM UTC+13, Jack Campin wrote:
>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> tense form?
>>
>> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>> either.
>>
>
> Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
> in it?

Maybe not, but I've heard individual (native) speakers who say ['spesjəl].

>
> Or are you just saying you don't like (whoever's) singing style?

--
athel

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2015-12-25 14:16:05 +0000, Peter Duncanson [BrE] said:

> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:43:59 -0800 (PST), Ross <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 8:53:30 AM UTC+13, Jack Campin wrote:
>>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>>> tense form?
>>>
>>> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>>> either.
>>>
>>
>> Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
>> in it?
>
> I think I've heard it in a very "upmarket" RP as approximately
> "spess-ee-ul".

Not quite the same as the pronunciation I was suggesting, but similar,
especially if you take your "ee" to be reduced the point of being [j].
I'm not sure I'd call it upmarket RP, though, more wannabe upmarket RP.
The sort of pronunciation Mrs Thatcher or Edward Heath might have used
after speech therapy intended to eradicate their natural ways of
speaking. Edward Heath's boat was called "Morning Cloud", for which he
pronounced "Cloud" in a way Private Eye represented (if memory serves)
as "Cleoud" -- something like [kljaʊ̯d].

--
athel

[Adam Funk]

On 2015-12-25, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote:
>> On 12/24/2015 5:36 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> > On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:
>> >> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> >> tense form?
>> >
>> > Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
>> > to me yestady".
>>
>> In Ebonics, the past tense of "give" is "done give"....r
>
> ? What's "Ebonics"?

One of the stupidest well-intended names in C.20 education?


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[Peter T. Daniels]

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 6:00:08 AM UTC-5, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2015-12-25, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote:
> >> On 12/24/2015 5:36 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> > On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:

> >> >> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> >> >> tense form?
> >> > Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
> >> > to me yestady".
> >> In Ebonics, the past tense of "give" is "done give"....r
> > ? What's "Ebonics"?
>
> One of the stupidest well-intended names in C.20 education?

That too, but what's its referent in this particular discussion?