capital letters for art styles, historical periods
wxxre
letters for art styles, for example: baroque, historicist, gothic,
reanaissance, realism, classicism, romanticisim, etc.
I suppose when it refers to a historical period you'd use capital letters
(as in the Baroque period(?), or the Renaissance), but what if you have a
baroque building, or baroque furniture or renaissance furniture? Also, what
happens if you add the prefix neo- ? (neo-renessance)
Thanks a lot in advance for any help!
contrex
Capital letters in my opinion, for periods and for styles.
neo-Classical, neo-Gothic
Contemporary Realism advocates a simple realistic painting style.
Italian Renaissance furniture has a combination of restrained
classical Greek and Roman design blended together with refined
Byzantine high-relief ornament.
"So what were the characteristics of a Gothic building?"
"Decorated Gothic (1275-1375) - aka Geometric, Curvilinear, and
Flamboyant - These terms describe primarily the fanciful tracery and
ornamentation found in the window heads during this time."
HVS
> On 5 Mar, 11:55, "wxxre" <_REM...@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:
>
> Capital letters in my opinion, for periods and for styles.
>
> neo-Classical, neo-Gothic
In terms of art history, these strike me as wrong: Neo-Gothic and
Neo-Renaissance are stylistic periods in their own right, and I don't
think I've ever seen them spelled without both elements capitlaised.
I think one writes "neo-classical" or "neo-classical", though, as
that's a generic description of the various Neo-Whatevers rather than
a single style.
--
Cheers, Harvey
Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed
HVS
> On 05 Mar 2007, contrex wrote
>
>> On 5 Mar, 11:55, "wxxre" <_REM...@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:
>>
>> Capital letters in my opinion, for periods and for styles.
>>
>> neo-Classical, neo-Gothic
>
> In terms of art history, these strike me as wrong: Neo-Gothic
> and Neo-Renaissance are stylistic periods in their own right,
> and I don't think I've ever seen them spelled without both
> elements capitlaised.
>
> I think one writes "neo-classical" or "neo-classical"
Sorry: that should be "neoclassical".
Nick Spalding
on Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:36:07 GMT:
> On 05 Mar 2007, HVS wrote
>
> > On 05 Mar 2007, contrex wrote
> >
> >> On 5 Mar, 11:55, "wxxre" <_REM...@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:
> >>
> >> Capital letters in my opinion, for periods and for styles.
> >>
> >> neo-Classical, neo-Gothic
> >
> > In terms of art history, these strike me as wrong: Neo-Gothic
> > and Neo-Renaissance are stylistic periods in their own right,
> > and I don't think I've ever seen them spelled without both
> > elements capitlaised.
> >
> > I think one writes "neo-classical" or "neo-classical"
>
> Sorry: that should be "neoclassical".
Which one?
--
Nick Spalding
HVS
Good point; certainly not both.
contrex
> In terms of art history, these strike me as wrong: Neo-Gothic and
> Neo-Renaissance are stylistic periods in their own right, and I don't
> think I've ever seen them spelled without both elements capitlaised.
>
I've seen them plenty of times.
"Although there had been a few attempts at a more historically correct
neo-Gothic style before, the Redemptorist church in Amsterdam is often
considered to be the first big church in true neo-Gothic style in the
Netherlands."
"When France's first prominent neo-Gothic church was built, the
Basilica of Sainte-Clothilde, Paris, begun in September 1846 and
consecrated 30 November 1857, the architect chosen was, significantly,
of German extraction, François-Christian Gau."
"The neo-Gothic architectural and decorative style was in its heyday
between 1855 and 1875."
This writer can't make up their mind, or maybe they're hedging their
bets...
"Original Gothic formats, elements, themes and concerns are still
visible in neo-Gothic, which is still prepared to use ghosts, monsters
and other traditional incarnations of evil. New Gothic is thus still a
literature of transgression. But Neo-Gothic entertains a plurality of
meanings absent in original Gothic."
jinhyun
I think in general that everything which is a title and not a
description should be capitalized and every description left in small
letters. It's 'neo-Renaissance', if you think its a modern take on
Renaissance art and are describing it to be so. But if Neo-Renaissance
is a specific genre of art, and recognised as such, then you should
say Neo-Renaissance.
HVS
> On 5 Mar, 13:35, HVS <use...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In terms of art history, these strike me as wrong: Neo-Gothic
>> and Neo-Renaissance are stylistic periods in their own right,
>> and I don't think I've ever seen them spelled without both
>> elements capitlaised.
>>
>
> I've seen them plenty of times.
>
> "Although there had been a few attempts at a more historically
> correct neo-Gothic style before, the Redemptorist church in
> Amsterdam is often considered to be the first big church in true
> neo-Gothic style in the Netherlands."
-snip other quotes-
Where are these from? (Is this pondial?)
The works I've checked here -- small sample; entirely random -- seem
to use "Neo-Georgian", "Neo-Mannerism", and the like.
(That certainly strikes me as sound. Names of styles are generally
capitalised, and "Neo-Georgian" is the correct, full name of that
style: "Neo" isn't a modifier, it's part of the name.)
contrex
> Where are these from? (Is this pondial?)
Europe & UK mainly, it seems.
"Although there had been a few attempts at a more historically correct
neo-Gothic style before, the Redemptorist church in Amsterdam is often
considered to be the first big church in true neo-Gothic style in the
Netherlands."
http://www.archimon.nl/history/neogothicism.html
------------------------------------------------
"When France's first prominent neo-Gothic church was built, the
Basilica of Sainte-Clothilde, Paris, begun in September 1846 and
consecrated 30 November 1857, the architect chosen was, significantly,
of German extraction, François-Christian Gau."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_revival
--------------------------------------------
"The neo-Gothic architectural and decorative style was in its heyday
between 1855 and 1875."
http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/deshist/gothic/gothic.htm
---------------------------------------------------------
"Original Gothic formats, elements, themes and concerns are still
visible in neo-Gothic, which is still prepared to use ghosts, monsters
and other traditional incarnations of evil. New Gothic is thus still a
literature of transgression. But Neo-Gothic entertains a plurality of
meanings absent in original Gothic."
[I think the Neo is a typo because a few lines later we see:]
"But Gothic ghosts are revisited by the neo-Gothic and submitted to a
number of modern changes and mutations."
http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/gothic/Gothic-NeoGothic-Etymology.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HVS
> On 5 Mar, 16:50, HVS <use...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Where are these from? (Is this pondial?)
>
> Europe & UK mainly, it seems.
Very interesting; maybe I studied art history so long ago that I was
taught by old-fashioned profs.
I still think it's orthographically questionable not to capitalise,
say, Neo-Gothicism when that specific stylistic movement is being
referred to (as opposed to being described in general terms): the
"neo" isn't a modifier, it's part of the name.
(Seeing "neo-Renaissance" is almost -- not quite, but almost -- like
reading about the "neo-Lithic" and "paeleo-Lithic" periods.)
Archie Valparaiso
wrought:
>On 5 Mar, 16:50, HVS <use...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Where are these from? (Is this pondial?)
>
>Europe & UK mainly, it seems.
>
>"Although there had been a few attempts at a more historically correct
>neo-Gothic style before, the Redemptorist church in Amsterdam is often
>considered to be the first big church in true neo-Gothic style in the
>Netherlands."
>
>http://www.archimon.nl/history/neogothicism.html
Source is non-native: best taken with a cathedral-full of salt for
style questions.
>------------------------------------------------
>
>
>"When France's first prominent neo-Gothic church was built, the
>Basilica of Sainte-Clothilde, Paris, begun in September 1846 and
>consecrated 30 November 1857, the architect chosen was, significantly,
>of German extraction, François-Christian Gau."
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_revival
Source is Wikipedia. 'Nuff said.
>--------------------------------------------
>
>
>"The neo-Gothic architectural and decorative style was in its heyday
>between 1855 and 1875."
>
>http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/deshist/gothic/gothic.htm
Yet a couple of paras down in the same text we find:
'Gothic' is also referred to as 'High Victorian', 'Gothic
Revival' and 'Neo Gothic'.
Wot, no "neo-Gothic"? Inconsistent -- best ignore.
>---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>"Original Gothic formats, elements, themes and concerns are still
>visible in neo-Gothic, which is still prepared to use ghosts, monsters
>and other traditional incarnations of evil. New Gothic is thus still a
>literature of transgression. But Neo-Gothic entertains a plurality of
>meanings absent in original Gothic."
>
>[I think the Neo is a typo because a few lines later we see:]
>
>"But Gothic ghosts are revisited by the neo-Gothic and submitted to a
>number of modern changes and mutations."
That's "neo-", "Neo-" and "New" all in one paragraph. Again,
inconsistent -- best ignore.
Harvey does know this stuff, you know. In fact, knowing this stuff is
what he does for a living.
--
Archie Valparaiso
Tunbridge Wells borough residents are the
second best recyclers in Kent.
Archie Valparaiso
wrought:
>On 05 Mar 2007, contrex wrote
>
>> On 5 Mar, 16:50, HVS <use...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Where are these from? (Is this pondial?)
>>
>> Europe & UK mainly, it seems.
>
>Very interesting; maybe I studied art history so long ago that I was
>taught by old-fashioned profs.
>
>I still think it's orthographically questionable not to capitalise,
>say, Neo-Gothicism when that specific stylistic movement is being
>referred to (as opposed to being described in general terms): the
>"neo" isn't a modifier, it's part of the name.
>
>(Seeing "neo-Renaissance" is almost -- not quite, but almost -- like
>reading about the "neo-Lithic" and "paeleo-Lithic" periods.)
We could always confuse matters even further by adding "trans-Atlantic
versus "transatlantic" into the mix.
FWIW, I'm with Harvey in considering the prefix is part of the name,
so if anything is capitalised, the prefix should be too: "Neo-Gothic"
or even -- no doubt coming soon to an American architectural journal
near you -- "Neogothic".
HVS
> FWIW, I'm with Harvey in considering the prefix is part of the
> name, so if anything is capitalised, the prefix should be too:
> "Neo-Gothic" or even -- no doubt coming soon to an American
> architectural journal near you -- "Neogothic".
I think I've seen that; it looks weird, but at least it keeps the
component parts of the name together.
(It's probably what they opt for in the uppercase-phobic Guardian
style guide. Don't get me started on that...)
contrex
> Harvey does know this stuff, you know. In fact, knowing this stuff is
> what he does for a living.
>
Oh, wow! I'm SO impressed. Anyway, I'm sure he wouldn't stoop to
argumentum ad verecundiam.
So you don't actually know, but you are jolly good at picking holes in
stuff put forward by others (eg films). I'm thinking of plonking you.
I think that it is an Atlantic thing. I'll carry on using the lower
case n, thank you very much.
You can find plenty of examples of both. I'll stick with the one I
prefer.
Neo- Prefix used to indicate a revival or development of an older
form, often in a different spirit. Examples include neo-Marxism and
neo-Darwinism. - Hutchinson Encyclopaedia (UK)
This plan was a sensible one in the context of the neo-Palladian
design - Smithsonian Institution (USA)
Kedleston Hall, a neo-Palladian mansion in Derbyshire, England,
created by Robert Adam, the 18th-century architect and designer - NY
Times (USA)
Here one thinks of a direct result of Thomas Coke's five-year tour,
the creation, assisted by Burlington, of his neo-Palladian country
house, Holkham Hall - Johns Hopkins University (USA)
...profound implications for the neo-Palladian revival. - Johns
Hopkins University (USA)
The neo-Palladian taste of the Ticino architect Mario Botta and
contemporary functionalism - International Herald Tribune (USA /
Europe)
R H Draney
>
>On 05 Mar 2007, Archie Valparaiso wrote
>
>> FWIW, I'm with Harvey in considering the prefix is part of the
>> name, so if anything is capitalised, the prefix should be too:
>> "Neo-Gothic" or even -- no doubt coming soon to an American
>> architectural journal near you -- "Neogothic".
>
>I think I've seen that; it looks weird, but at least it keeps the
>component parts of the name together.
Give them a couple more years and they'll come up with an "o-G" ligature for the
official logo, and we'll all be required to use it when we mention the
journal....r
--
"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!"
"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"
Archie Valparaiso
wrought:
>On 5 Mar, 18:04, Archie Valparaiso <ggu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Harvey does know this stuff, you know. In fact, knowing this stuff is
>> what he does for a living.
>>
>
>Oh, wow! I'm SO impressed. Anyway, I'm sure he wouldn't stoop to
>argumentum ad verecundiam.
>
>So you don't actually know, but you are jolly good at picking holes in
>stuff put forward by others (eg films). I'm thinking of plonking you.
Ooh, go on. I love it when they do that. It means I can bitch about
them behind their backs with no risk of comeback.
Oh, and Babel was trash. Live with it.
Robert Bannister
> On 5 Mar, 18:04, Archie Valparaiso <ggu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Harvey does know this stuff, you know. In fact, knowing this stuff is
>>what he does for a living.
>>
>
>
> Oh, wow! I'm SO impressed. Anyway, I'm sure he wouldn't stoop to
> argumentum ad verecundiam.
>
> So you don't actually know, but you are jolly good at picking holes in
> stuff put forward by others (eg films). I'm thinking of plonking you.
>
> I think that it is an Atlantic thing. I'll carry on using the lower
> case n, thank you very much.
>
> You can find plenty of examples of both. I'll stick with the one I
> prefer.
>
> Neo- Prefix used to indicate a revival or development of an older
> form, often in a different spirit. Examples include neo-Marxism and
> neo-Darwinism.
I would take "neo-Darwinism" to be purely descriptive, whereas
"Neo-Darwinism" sounds (reads?) like a movement or school.
--
Rob Bannister
HVS
> contrex wrote:
>> Neo- Prefix used to indicate a revival or development of an
>> older form, often in a different spirit. Examples include
>> neo-Marxism and neo-Darwinism.
>
> I would take "neo-Darwinism" to be purely descriptive, whereas
> "Neo-Darwinism" sounds (reads?) like a movement or school.
Precisely: neo-Georgian is a description; Neo-Georgian is the name
of the style.
A Neo-Georgian architect designs neo-Georgian buildings.