Alice Roberts' accent

[Mike Lyle]

_Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
"I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?

--
Mike.

[Matti Lamprhey]

"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote...

She's also been on _Time Team_ on many occasions, and her accent always
sends the nicest shivers up my, er, spine. Isn't it weird? I've
assumed there's some Bristol in there, but I have no idea where the rest
comes from.

I've just groped her e-mail address and asked her.

Matti

[TsuiDF]

Matti Lamprhey wrote:
>>
> I've just groped her e-mail address and asked her.
>

Good thing you didn't get those verbs confused.

Her accent irritates the hell out of me, but then, crimson hair and
silver nails don't do anything for me either. Silver hair and normal
nails might do, but... I digress.

Stephanie
in Brussels

[Areff]

Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard ("w"
for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be some denial
regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.

[Mickwick]

Speaking of _Time Team_ - can anyone pin down the accent used by that
oldish bloke with long raggedy grey hair? It sounds to me like the most
affected and clueless type of Mummerset but I'm no expert. (Though I am
certain it's not Devon or Cornwall.)

>I've just groped her e-mail address and asked her.

Put away those fiery biscuits!

--
Mickwick

[Wood Avens]

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:32:33 +0100, Mickwick <gro...@reply-to.domain>
wrote:

>Speaking of _Time Team_ - can anyone pin down the accent used by that
>oldish bloke with long raggedy grey hair? It sounds to me like the most
>affected and clueless type of Mummerset but I'm no expert. (Though I am
>certain it's not Devon or Cornwall.)

Not sure if you mean Phil Harding (tall, hat, flint-knapping, tries
his hand at most of the reconstruction stuff) or Mick Aston (beard,
stripy jumpers, prof at Bristol). Phil is genuine west country -- I
deduce Somerset; Mick grew up in the Black Country. This and other
info from their outline biogs on the Time Team website.

http://www.channel4.com/history/timeteam/biog_phil.html

--

Katy Jennison

spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @

[Pat Durkin]

"Matti Lamprhey" <ma...@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote in message
news:3ljt70F...@individual.net...

Hope you get an answer!

To tell the truth, I adore Time Team, though most of the time on the channel
I get it on is on our "BBCamerica", under the title "Exploring History".
But, then, it may be on one of the digital history channels. Come to think
of it, I haven't seen hide nor hair of the program since I switched to Dish.

[Mickwick]

In alt.usage.english, Wood Avens wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:32:33 +0100, Mickwick <gro...@reply-to.domain>

>>Speaking of _Time Team_ - can anyone pin down the accent used by that

>>oldish bloke with long raggedy grey hair? It sounds to me like the most
>>affected and clueless type of Mummerset but I'm no expert. (Though I am
>>certain it's not Devon or Cornwall.)
>
> Not sure if you mean Phil Harding (tall, hat, flint-knapping, tries
>his hand at most of the reconstruction stuff) or Mick Aston (beard,
>stripy jumpers, prof at Bristol). Phil is genuine west country -- I
>deduce Somerset; Mick grew up in the Black Country. This and other
>info from their outline biogs on the Time Team website.
>
>http://www.channel4.com/history/timeteam/biog_phil.html

That's the one. Phil Harding. Thanks.

*Is* he for real, though?

For a start, the Web says that he was 'educated in Marlborough'. An 'at'
is surely possible there.

Also, he allowed himself to get taken over body and soul (and accent?)
by American 'blues' music for several years. Not proof of current fakery
but certainly proof of an existential weakness, of a 'blowin' in de
wind' tendency towards fakery.

But come on, Phil! Stick up for yourself! Where are you? Speak, man,
speak!

--
Mickwick
put away those fiery biscuits

[the Omrud]

Mickwick spake thusly:

> In alt.usage.english, Wood Avens wrote:
> >On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:32:33 +0100, Mickwick <gro...@reply-to.domain>
>

> >http://www.channel4.com/history/timeteam/biog_phil.html
>
> That's the one. Phil Harding. Thanks.
>
> *Is* he for real, though?
>
> For a start, the Web says that he was 'educated in Marlborough'. An 'at'
> is surely possible there.

Not necessarily. There must be tens of thousands who have been
educated in Marlborough, but not at Marlborough:

http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/stpetjun.wilts/

I, for one, was educated in Bromsgrove, but not at Bromsgrove.
Interestingly, I'm told that I was at school with that John Gator
(same link as Phil Harding), but I don't remember him in any way.

--
David
=====
replace usenet with the

[Robin Bignall]

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:32:33 +0100, Mickwick <gro...@reply-to.domain>

wrote:

Just a minute: That's about the dozenth time in 30 days that you've
used "fiery". Ding. Repetition.
--
Robin Bignall
Hoddesdon, England

[Stephen Hayes]

FamilyNet Newsgate

Areff wrote in a message to All:

A> From: Areff <m...@privacy.net>

A> Mike Lyle wrote:
> _Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
> fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
> crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
> whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
> "I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
> but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?

A> Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard
A> ("w" for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be
A> some denial regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.

"W" for "l" I know about -- Bristol was sometimes spelt "Bristow", and was
often pronounced like that by natives before the Estuary accent rolled
westwards like the Severn bore.

But could you give examples of the "oi" for "i"?

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[Areff]

Stephen Hayes wrote:
>
> Areff wrote in a message to All:
>

> A> Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard
> A> ("w" for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be
> A> some denial regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.
>
> "W" for "l" I know about -- Bristol was sometimes spelt "Bristow", and was
> often pronounced like that by natives before the Estuary accent rolled
> westwards like the Severn bore.
>
> But could you give examples of the "oi" for "i"?

Geez, it's everywhere! Listen to any non-RonE-speaking BrE speaker and
chances are he (or she) pronounces "I" ("eye") like [AI] or [A.I], which
to us non-vowel-shifting folk sounds like "oi".

[Matti Lamprhey]

"Stephen Hayes" <Stephen.Hayesp...@fmlynet.org> wrote...

> Areff wrote in a message to All:

>> Mike Lyle wrote:
>>> _Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
>>> fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
>>> crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
>>> whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi"
>>> for "I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for
>>> "at", but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
>>

>> Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard

>> ("w" for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be

>> some denial regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.
>
> "W" for "l" I know about -- Bristol was sometimes spelt "Bristow", and
> was often pronounced like that by natives before the Estuary accent
> rolled westwards like the Severn bore.

Isn't this backwards? Bristow became Bristol because its denizens
changed w's to l's centuries ago, and still do. Areff is talking about
the more recent Estuarine tendency to do the reverse, triggered by the
Sarf Londoner's rather more longstanding practice.

And the Severn Bore rolls (north) eastwards, as shown on the programme
Mike started this thread with.

> But could you give examples of the "oi" for "i"?

He appears to have forgotten that he completely cocked that one up, and
is now reduced to Goebbeling it into our subconsciouses.

Matti

[Areff]

Matti Lamprhey wrote:
> "Stephen Hayes" <Stephen.Hayesp...@fmlynet.org> wrote...
>> Areff wrote in a message to All:
>>>

>>> Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard
>>> ("w" for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be
>>> some denial regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.
>>

>> But could you give examples of the "oi" for "i"?
>
> He appears to have forgotten that he completely cocked that one up, and
> is now reduced to Goebbeling it into our subconsciouses.

Roit.

[Mickwick]

In alt.usage.english, the Omrud wrote:
>Mickwick spake thusly:

>> For a start, the Web says that he was 'educated in Marlborough'. An 'at'
>> is surely possible there.
>
>Not necessarily.

Not necessarily possible?

> There must be tens of thousands who have been
>educated in Marlborough, but not at Marlborough:
>
>http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/stpetjun.wilts/
>
>I, for one, was educated in Bromsgrove, but not at Bromsgrove.
>Interestingly, I'm told that I was at school with that John Gator
>(same link as Phil Harding), but I don't remember him in any way.

Bromsgrove! Do you know my mate's mate Stinky, by any chance?

[Mickwick]

In alt.usage.english, Robin Bignall wrote:

>Just a minute: That's about the dozenth time in 30 days that you've
>used "fiery". Ding. Repetition.

30 days?

[the Omrud]

Mickwick spake thusly:

> In alt.usage.english, the Omrud wrote:
> >Mickwick spake thusly:
>
> >> For a start, the Web says that he was 'educated in Marlborough'. An 'at'
> >> is surely possible there.
> >
> >Not necessarily.
>
> Not necessarily possible?

It's not possible if he was at St Peter's Junior School Marlborough.
Is possible if he was at Marlborough.

> > There must be tens of thousands who have been
> >educated in Marlborough, but not at Marlborough:
> >
> >http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/stpetjun.wilts/
> >
> >I, for one, was educated in Bromsgrove, but not at Bromsgrove.
> >Interestingly, I'm told that I was at school with that John Gator
> >(same link as Phil Harding), but I don't remember him in any way.
>
> Bromsgrove! Do you know my mate's mate Stinky, by any chance?

If I did, I wouldn't admit it.

[Stephen Hayes]

FamilyNet Newsgate

Matti Lamprhey wrote in a message to All:

ML> From: "Matti Lamprhey" <ma...@official-totally-reversed.com>

ML> "Stephen Hayes" <Stephen.Hayesp...@fmlynet.org> wrote...

> Areff wrote in a message to All:
>> Mike Lyle wrote:
>>> _Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
>>> fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
>>> crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
>>> whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi"
>>> for "I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for
>>> "at", but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
>>
>> Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard
>> ("w" for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be
>> some denial regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.
>
> "W" for "l" I know about -- Bristol was sometimes spelt "Bristow", and
> was often pronounced like that by natives before the Estuary accent
> rolled westwards like the Severn bore.

ML> Isn't this backwards? Bristow became Bristol because its denizens
ML> changed w's to l's centuries ago, and still do. Areff is talking
ML> about the more recent Estuarine tendency to do the reverse,
ML> triggered by the Sarf Londoner's rather more longstanding practice.

Could be, they all seem to speak Estuary now, though.

ML> And the Severn Bore rolls (north) eastwards, as shown on the
ML> programme Mike started this thread with.

The simile was meant to refer to the rolling, rather than to the direction.

> But could you give examples of the "oi" for "i"?

ML> He appears to have forgotten that he completely cocked that one up,
ML> and is now reduced to Goebbeling it into our subconsciouses.

Well I haven't seen an example yet.

[keste...@gmail.com]

Phil Harding is a Wiltshire man. Went to Marlborough Grammar School (not the toff place). He lived at Collingbourne Ducis as a child, his accent is old Wiltshire

[rodger...@gmail.com]

Where?

[Peter Moylan]

On 14/12/17 09:35, rodger...@gmail.com wrote:

> Where?

Under the chair.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

[roberteag...@gmail.com]

She's from Bristol. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Roberts

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

I remember Mike's question all those years ago, but I don't remember
exactly what was said in the discussion. However, "w" for terminal "l"
strikes me as typical over-correction that might be made by someone
from Bristowe, so I expect it was mentioned. I doubt whether the linked
page existed in 2005: was she famous enough then?


--
athel

[Mark Brader]

"Robert":

> > She's from Bristol. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Roberts

Athel Cornish-Bowden:

> I doubt whether the linked page existed in 2005: was she famous enough then?

I don't know how famous she was, but the page was created in 2006 and
then looked like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alice_Roberts&oldid=82899753

--
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Toronto | to be President... there's also a nightmare where
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[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

She was certainly known to the viewers of Time Team, the archeological
TV series.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Roberts#Television_career

Roberts first appeared on television in the Time Team Live 2001
episode, working on Anglo-Saxon burials at Breamore, Hampshire. She
went on to serve as a bone specialist and general presenter in many
episodes, including the spin-off series Extreme Archaeology. In
August 2006, a Time Team special episode Big Royal Dig investigated
the archaeology of Britain's royal palaces and Roberts was one of
the main presenters.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Sam Plusnet]

On 04-Feb-19 9:48, Mark Brader wrote:
> "Robert":
>>> She's from Bristol. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Roberts
>
> Athel Cornish-Bowden:
>> I doubt whether the linked page existed in 2005: was she famous enough then?
>
> I don't know how famous she was, but the page was created in 2006 and
> then looked like this:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alice_Roberts&oldid=82899753
>

Apparently she attended Redmaids' High School an "independent school for
girls in Westbury-on-Trym" which was founded in 1634.

She is on the list of Notable former pupils, but I think she is eclipsed by

"Nana Kagga (born 1979), Ugandan actress, producer, director and
petroleum engineer"

That's quite a CV.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Better than: Entrepeneur, politician and swindler?
Oh yeah, there's lots of they. (them)

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

[snide...@gmail.com]

For current Athel and PWD, this seems to indicate that in 2005
the TT connection and Bristolosity were known; but
Matti doesn't seem to have reported any response to his inquiry of the principal.

/dps "an entrenched topic"

[bigdadd...@gmail.com]

I find when Alice is casually chatting her accent and vocals are shrill but when doing narration she is much easier to understand. Perhaps because she is not speaking so quickly and putting thought into what is being said. I find her accent sometimes difficult to understand.

[Paul Wolff]

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020, at 17:26:46, bigdadd...@gmail.com posted:

It was discussed here in April 2012 in the thread "The Woolly Mammoth's
Accent". Maybe it is still available in Google Groups, or maybe not.
--
Paul

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

It's a flyby GG numpty poster replying to a dead thread. Best ignored,
IMO.

[Spains Harden]

On Saturday, August 6, 2005 at 1:40:37 PM UTC+1, Mike Lyle wrote:
> _Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
> fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
> crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
> whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
> "I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
> but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?

I guess 15 years ago it was more difficult to research things online.
Took me 10 seconds to track her down to the Blaise Castle area of North
Bristol:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px0LIhPIWXs>