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ambitious = negative connotation?

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Markus Appel

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Dec 15, 2003, 5:57:52 AM12/15/03
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Whenever I come across the word "ambitious" I get the feeling that it is
used primarily with a negative connotation, e.g. "That ambitious bastard..."
in the sense that an ambitious person is someone who tries to succeed
without paying attention to other people's concerns (ruthlessly and
inconsiderately).
Am I right with this or is "ambitious" still REALLY neutral?
Thx
Markus


Roland Hutchinson

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Dec 15, 2003, 6:43:53 AM12/15/03
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Markus Appel wrote:

Was it every really entirely neutral? Negative connotations are
famously witnessed in Shakespeare:

ANTONY: Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
...
The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious.
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
...
He was my friend, faithful and just to me;
But Brutus says he was ambitious,
And Brutus is an honorable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill.
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept;
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honorable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a crown,
Which he did thrice refuse. Was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And sure he is an honorable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke
...

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CyberCypher

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Dec 15, 2003, 9:06:31 AM12/15/03
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It all depends on context. If you write a recommendation for someone
just graduating from college and say a few positive things about the
student's academic strengths and then go on to say something like "Mr X
is a bright, ambitious young man who will undoubtedly succeed in his
chosen field", "ambitious" is positive. It indicates that Mr X is
someone who will probably work hard and become as good as possible at
his job.

People with ambition are appreciated by most employers, but ambitious
people tend to want more than they are entitled to and much more
quickly than they deserve to get it.

--
Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor.

Jerry Friedman

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Dec 15, 2003, 11:38:27 AM12/15/03
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"Markus Appel" <markus...@web.de> wrote in message news:<brk43b$hnm$07$1...@news.t-online.com>...

In my experience, it's usually either positive or negative, not neutral.

--
Jerry Friedman

Tony Cooper

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Dec 15, 2003, 12:44:58 PM12/15/03
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On 15 Dec 2003 08:38:27 -0800, jerry_f...@yahoo.com (Jerry
Friedman) wrote:

I agree. "He is ambitious" is taken to mean either that he is a hard
worker that will strive to succeed, or that he is dangerous to work
around. I think anyone hearing or reading "He is ambitious" would
look for the positive or the negative implication and not accept it as
neutral.

The jobsworth types always look at it as a negative word. The secure
rarely do.

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