What is the word for 'killing a male'?
Thomas Schenk
Lea V. Usin wrote:
> Their new grievance is to question why there is
> a term for killing females but not one specifically for killing males,
> 'homicide' being reserved for the general killing of people. I've run out
> of places to look for such a term. Can anyone help?
Since the Latin oppositie of *femina* is *mas* [a male], and the
genitive of *mas* is *maris*, the reasonable neologism would be
*maricide* to describe the murder of a male.
*Vir* also means a male person in Latin, but *viricide* has already been
usurped by microbiologists to mean an agent that kills viruses (please
don't start the plural of virus thread again, q.v.in aue FAQ).
I think I'll stay with the quite utilitarian standbys, male and female
homicide.
Tom
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Peter Schultz
Hans Eisenreich wrote:
>
> On Sun, 04 May 1997 01:36:41 GMT, xbe...@global2000.net (joy beeson)
> wrote:
>
> >androcide
>
> H.W. Fowler begins to heave in his grave! He had this to say regarding
> *barbarisms*, or hybrid words formed from parts from different
> languages:
> "That barbarisms should exist is a pity; to expend much
> energy on denouncing those that exist is a waste; to
> create them is a grave misdemeanor; and the greater
> the need for the word that is made, the greater the
> maker's guilt if he miscreates it."
>
> Bread and water only for Joy for at least twenty-four hours.
>
> Hans
Yes, we should never mix Greek and Latin, or we'll end up
with barbarisms like "television."
Peter Schultz
Thomas Schenk wrote:
>
> Since the Latin oppositie of *femina* is *mas* [a male], and the
> genitive of *mas* is *maris*, the reasonable neologism would be
> *maricide* to describe the murder of a male.
> *Vir* also means a male person in Latin, but *viricide* has already been
> usurped by microbiologists to mean an agent that kills viruses (please
> don't start the plural of virus thread again, q.v.in aue FAQ).
>
> I think I'll stay with the quite utilitarian standbys, male and female
> homicide.
>
> Tom
>
"Maricide" sounds like what they've done to the Caspian Sea.
Lea V. Usin
The word 'femicide' was recently used in a Canadian report about how many
women are killed by significant others vs. strangers. This prompted a
flurry of angry letters to the local feminism SIG by men protesting this
new and unfair feminist jargon. Pointing out to them that the OED cites a
first usage in 1801 with subsequent examples from 1828 and 1848 has done
little to calm them down. Their new grievance is to question why there is
a term for killing females but not one specifically for killing males,
'homicide' being reserved for the general killing of people. I've run out
of places to look for such a term. Can anyone help?
Cheers, Lea
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or
lu...@uottawa.ca
Henry Churchyard
In article <E9M7M...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Paul Chrysler <pech...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>In article <5ken87$1...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
>Lea V. Usin <ac...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>> The word 'femicide' was recently used in a Canadian report about
>> how many women are killed by significant others vs. strangers.
>> [...] OED cites a first usage in 1801 with subsequent examples from
>> 1828 and 1848. [...asks about:] a term specifically for killing
>> males, 'homicide' being reserved for the general killing of people.
> Ummm, I'm not sure about an official usage, but it seems to me that
> the word 'androcide' should do quite nicely.
Well some people might look down on it because it combines Latin and
Greek -- but then again, that hasn't stopped "television"!
The correct all-Latin word would be "viricide" (despite the fact that
this would happen to coincide with a 20th-century biological term of
separate meaning, as pointed out in another post).
In fact, "viricide" also appears in the OED -- but merely as a "nonce"
word, used only (as far as the OED 1st. edition editors were aware)
once in 1766.
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Charles A. Lee
On 3 May 1997 06:50:47 GMT, ac...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lea V. Usin)
wrote:
>
>The word 'femicide' .. about how many
>women are killed .. Can anyone help [with the male version]?
>
Dear Lea,
Since the opposite of feminine is masculine, how about mascicide?
Charles A. Lee
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Duncan McKenzie
Thomas Schenk wrote in article <336B71...@ix.netcom.com.No_Spam>...
>I think I'll stay with the quite utilitarian standbys, male and female
>homicide.
I like this approach too, except that "male homicide" could refer to two
types of killings -- those where males are the victims, and those where
they are the perpetrators.
Why not "murders of men" (or "men murdered", "male murder victims", etc. as
the situation requires) or "murders of women".
I know there is a distinction between "murder" and "homicide", but in most
cases, when people talk about homicide they mean murder. If I have this
right, homicide means killing another person. Murder means killing them
deliberately and unlawfully. I assume that legal executions, or killing an
enemy soldier in a war, would be examples of homicide that are not,
legally, murder, because they are not unlawful.
Legal question: suppose someone driving a car accidentally hits and kills a
pedestrian, but the fault is entirely that of the pedestrian. So, it's not
murder or manslaughter, right? Is it homicide?
Duncan McKenzie
Toronto, Canada
Lea V. Usin
Thomas Schenk (tsc...@ix.netcom.com.No_Spam) writes:
> Lea V. Usin wrote:
>> Their new grievance is to question why there is
>> a term for killing females but not one specifically for killing males,
>> 'homicide' being reserved for the general killing of people. I've run out
>> of places to look for such a term. Can anyone help?
> Since the Latin oppositie of *femina* is *mas* [a male], and the
> genitive of *mas* is *maris*, the reasonable neologism would be
> *maricide* to describe the murder of a male.
> *Vir* also means a male person in Latin, but *viricide* has already been
> usurped by microbiologists to mean an agent that kills viruses (please
> don't start the plural of virus thread again, q.v.in aue FAQ).
>
> I think I'll stay with the quite utilitarian standbys, male and female
> homicide.
Thanks, you've led me in the right direction. Turns out the OED does have
an entry for 'viricide' as 'killing a man or a husband', first citation
from mid 1700s.
Ralph M Jones
Henry Churchyard wrote:
>
> Well some people might look down on it because it combines Latin and
> Greek -- but then again, that hasn't stopped "television"!
>
> The correct all-Latin word would be "viricide" (despite the fact that
> this would happen to coincide with a 20th-century biological term of
> separate meaning, as pointed out in another post).
>
> In fact, "viricide" also appears in the OED -- but merely as a "nonce"
> word, used only (as far as the OED 1st. edition editors were aware)
> once in 1766.
>
work on women and children too? Well then, we can't very well call it
"viricide" then, can we?"
--
The most important thing in politics is honesty.
If you can fake that, you've got it made.
- rmj
Thomas Schenk
Ralph M. Jones cryptically alluded:
> >I can just imagine General Amherst saying "You mean those blankets will
> >work on women and children too? Well then, we can't very well call it
> >"viricide" then, can we?"
Polar graciously clarified:
> You might want to explain to our baffled Foreign Friends that the
> reference is to allegation that smallpox-infected blankets were
> intentionally distributed by the US Army to Indians under their care,
> to cause genocide.
That's a neat bit of historic revisionism. Major General Jeffrey
Amherst, later Lord Amherst, was commander-in-chief of the British
forces in North America. At the time (1754) Thomas Jefferson was
eleven years old and probably hadn't given the US a great deal of
serious consideration, being more concerned with putting his toys back
in the closet.
Tom-
Truly Donovan
Lea V. Usin wrote:
>
> The word 'femicide' was recently used in a Canadian report about how many
> women are killed by significant others vs. strangers. This prompted a
> flurry of angry letters to the local feminism SIG by men protesting this
> new and unfair feminist jargon. Pointing out to them that the OED cites a
> first usage in 1801 with subsequent examples from 1828 and 1848 has done
> a term for killing females but not one specifically for killing males,
> 'homicide' being reserved for the general killing of people. I've run out
> of places to look for such a term. Can anyone help?
I wouldn't bother looking for such a term. Instead, I'd ask why we are told
that "he" is an acceptable way of referring to either a male or a person of
unknown gender and that we ought to stop bitching it and then find that
"homicide" somehow isn't acceptable in an identical situation. (Of course, you
must be sure first that the person is one who uses "he" because "they" is
"wrong." I doubt that you will find it difficult to establish this.)
--
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alan auerbach F
I won't address the sociology and forensics of the relative likelihood
of a male being killed because of his sex vs. a female who wouldn't have
been killed if she had been born of the male persuasion.
The term "viricide" comes up occasionally in primatology to describe
a non-human primate that kills males specifically.
It's been reported most often in the killing of male neonates,
so it's also termed "male infanticide."
With us, I guess that viricide would work as well as androcide,
but neither has the political overtone of femicide.
--
Al.
Anandashankar Mazumdar
In article <5ki677$n...@nr1.toronto.istar.net>,
"Duncan McKenzie" <dun...@cable.com> wrote:
> I know there is a distinction between "murder" and "homicide", but in most
> cases, when people talk about homicide they mean murder. If I have this
> right, homicide means killing another person. Murder means killing them
> deliberately and unlawfully. I assume that legal executions, or killing an
> enemy soldier in a war, would be examples of homicide that are not,
> legally, murder, because they are not unlawful.
>
> Legal question: suppose someone driving a car accidentally hits and kills a
> pedestrian, but the fault is entirely that of the pedestrian. So, it's not
> murder or manslaughter, right? Is it homicide?
In the U.S., anyway, each state has its own laws regarding the killing of
people and all these terms are defined in different ways. In my mind,
though, "homicide" is the general term and "murder" and "manslaughter"
are both subsets of "unlawful homicide."
"Murder" is purposeful or planned (it doesn't necessarily have to be
both). "Manslaughter" carries a lesser degree of culpability, including
accidental killing, but it's just as unlawful as murder. I would call
your traffic accident a kind of "manslaughter."
(In most states, I believe, the driver of a car is always held
responsible to some degree when the car hits something, no matter how
much the actions of a pedestrian contributed to the accident. (I was
going to say "collision," but I remember one of my editors saying that a
collision may only occur between two moving objects. Any comments on
that?))
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ReluctantMessiah
In article <5kh5e7$7...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
Lea V. Usin <ac...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>Thanks, you've led me in the right direction. Turns out the OED does have
>an entry for 'viricide' as 'killing a man or a husband', first citation
>from mid 1700s.
If we have misogynist for one who hates women then what is the word for
one who hates men?
-jc
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Truly Donovan
Anandashankar Mazumdar wrote:
>
> (In most states, I believe, the driver of a car is always held
> responsible to some degree when the car hits something, no matter how
> much the actions of a pedestrian contributed to the accident.
I didn't get a ticket when the Black Angus standing in the middle of the
road on a dark night suddenly emerged from the shadows behind the lights
of an oncoming car.
Insurance Agent: So the cow jumped in the road, and....
Me: I don't know how the damn cow got in the road, that's just where it
was when I first saw it.
Insurance Agent: Okay, the cow was in the road.
Mark Baker
In article <5kl295$c...@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,
jcop...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (ReluctantMessiah) writes:
>>Thanks, you've led me in the right direction. Turns out the OED does have
>>an entry for 'viricide' as 'killing a man or a husband', first citation
>>from mid 1700s.
>
> If we have misogynist for one who hates women then what is the word for
> one who hates men?
A misandrist. It's not in my dictionary, but misandry, the hatred of men,
is.
A misanthrope is someone who hates humans.
John Cowan
Duncan McKenzie wrote:
> I know there is a distinction between "murder" and "homicide", but in most
> cases, when people talk about homicide they mean murder. If I have this
> right, homicide means killing another person.
Yes.
> Murder means killing them
> deliberately and unlawfully.
At common law (now superseded by statute in all common-law jurisdictions),
murder was the killing of:
a person (excludes animals) in being (excludes fetuses),
unlawfully (excludes death sentences, war, and outlawry)
and without just excuse (excludes self-defense,
the defense of another, and a few other cases),
with malice aforethought (excludes manslaughter),
death following within a year and a day.
> I assume that legal executions, or killing an
> enemy soldier in a war, would be examples of homicide that are not,
> legally, murder, because they are not unlawful.
Right.
> Legal question: suppose someone driving a car accidentally hits and kills a
> pedestrian, but the fault is entirely that of the pedestrian. So, it's not
> murder or manslaughter, right? Is it homicide?
Yes. It is "death by misadventure", or less formally, an accident.
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chris o'neill wrote:
>
> Lea V. Usin <ac...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article
> <5ken87$1...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
> : new grievance is to question why there is
> : a term for killing females but not one specifically for killing males,
> : 'homicide' being reserved for the general killing of people. I've run
> out
> : of places to look for such a term. Can anyone help?
> : Cheers, Lea> :
>
> pesticide
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