About the "to require to do" and "to require doing"
Duy Lam
Is there any difference for two forms? I have below examples for it but
I didn't see the point.
- "v to do" : True marriage requires us to show trust and loyalty.
- "v doing" : Lentils do not require soaking before cooking.
Can you help me?
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Thanks,
Duy Lam
Donna Richoux
That is not really "requires doing," it's "requires NOUN." I'm sure you
know that "-ing" words can be nouns.
Lentils do not require pepper.
Lentils do not require love.
Lentils do not require soaking.
If you wanted to put it as a verb, you'd have to use the passive "to be
XXed" form. And for some reason that just sounds bad.
It requires to be soaked. --> BETTER It requires soaking.
It requires to be washed -- > BETTER It requires washing.
Your first example has an active verb, "to show," and that is fine. t
could be put in the passive form like this:
It requires trust and loyalty to be shown.
You would only choose the passive form if you had some good reason,
though, as it is weaker and vaguer than the active form.
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Best wishes -- Donna Richoux
Jeffrey Turner
> Duy Lam <duylam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Is there any difference for two forms? I have below examples for it but
>>I didn't see the point.
>>
>>- "v to do" : True marriage requires us to show trust and loyalty.
>>- "v doing" : Lentils do not require soaking before cooking.
>>
>>Can you help me?
>
>
> That is not really "requires doing," it's "requires NOUN." I'm sure you
> know that "-ing" words can be nouns.
>
> Lentils do not require pepper.
> Lentils do not require love.
> Lentils do not require soaking.
>
> If you wanted to put it as a verb, you'd have to use the passive "to be
> XXed" form. And for some reason that just sounds bad.
>
> It requires to be soaked. --> BETTER It requires soaking.
> It requires to be washed -- > BETTER It requires washing.
"Lentils do not need to be washed." Is fine with me. "Require" is just
wrong in that construction, IMO.
--Jeff
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Evan Kirshenbaum
> That is not really "requires doing," it's "requires NOUN." I'm sure
> you know that "-ing" words can be nouns.
>
> Lentils do not require pepper.
> Lentils do not require love.
> Lentils do not require soaking.
That's got to be one of the most unlikely STS triggers that's ever
caught me.
Herring can always wait.
Herring does not mind waiting.
Meanwhile, I'm marinating!
I'm in the mood for love!
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R H Draney
>
>Donna Richoux wrote:
>
>> Lentils do not require pepper.
>> Lentils do not require love.
>> Lentils do not require soaking.
>>
>> If you wanted to put it as a verb, you'd have to use the passive "to be
>> XXed" form. And for some reason that just sounds bad.
>>
>> It requires to be soaked. --> BETTER It requires soaking.
>> It requires to be washed -- > BETTER It requires washing.
>
>"Lentils do not need to be washed." Is fine with me. "Require" is just
>wrong in that construction, IMO.
In Iowa, it's perfectly idiomatic to say "Lentils need washed"....r
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mm
<kirsh...@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
>tr...@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) writes:
>
>> That is not really "requires doing," it's "requires NOUN." I'm sure
>> you know that "-ing" words can be nouns.
>>
>> Lentils do not require pepper.
>> Lentils do not require love.
>> Lentils do not require soaking.
>
>That's got to be one of the most unlikely STS triggers that's ever
>caught me.
>
> Herring can always wait.
> Herring does not mind waiting.
> Meanwhile, I'm marinating!
> I'm in the mood for love!
You know, I googled the first llne and got hits. The first 4 were
just partial, but the fifth hit was all four words, in a row.
I thought google would always put an exact hit before the partials.
If you are inclined to email me
for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)
Pat Durkin
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> Jeffrey Turner filted:
>>
>> Donna Richoux wrote:
>>
>>> Lentils do not require pepper.
>>> Lentils do not require love.
>>> Lentils do not require soaking.
>>>
>>> If you wanted to put it as a verb, you'd have to use the passive
>>> "to be XXed" form. And for some reason that just sounds bad.
>>>
>>> It requires to be soaked. --> BETTER It requires soaking.
>>> It requires to be washed -- > BETTER It requires washing.
>>
>> "Lentils do not need to be washed." Is fine with me. "Require" is
>> just wrong in that construction, IMO.
>
> In Iowa, it's perfectly idiomatic to say "Lentils need washed"....r
I wonder it what part of Iowa. First time I have ever heard the usage
was here, and it had to do with some part of teh UK. "The fence needs
painted", I believe.
Not that Iowans speak the American tongue.
Duy Lam
As you said, the "require" verb has two forms: "v to do" and "v noun".
Now it's simple to remember.
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Thanks,
Duy Lam
HowieC
It might be easier to make both of them either plural or
singular. Also, try removing the negation, - or adding it to
both. The result is still v-to do versus v-noun. But it might be
clearer when comparing similar constructions.
ie:
True marriages (do not) require us to X. (v to-do)
Lentils (do not) require X. (v-noun)
or..
True marriage requires us to X. (v to-do)
A lentil requires X. (v-noun)
Mike Lyle
> R H Draney wrote:
>
>> In Iowa, it's perfectly idiomatic to say "Lentils need washed"....r
>
And Scotland.
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Roland Hutchinson
How about the variant: "The lentils want washed".
All of the above sound just plain ungrammatical to me.
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Barbara Bailey
@registered.motzarella.org:
I first heard "[noun] needs [-ed verb form]" (The car needs washed; the rug
needs vacuumed) from a girl who was from Central Ohio.
Cece
> "R H Draney" <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote in messagenews:g53me...@drn.newsguy.com
>
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I've heard that it's a Pennsylvania usage. I've never actually heard
it said (in either Indiana or Texas) or seen it written other than in
the discussions that started appearing a couple years ago.
R H Draney
Obviously, this usage needs mapped....r
Nick
>
> ie:
> True marriages (do not) require us to X. (v to-do)
> Lentils (do not) require X. (v-noun)
Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit lentils?
For some reason I'm reminded of The Fisher King at this point.