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Dingbat
Apr 11, 2017, 5:39:49 AM4/11/17
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On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:54:34 PM UTC+5:30, dillan wrote:
There is indeed a part of the definition of atheism that says "atheism is lack of belief". There is also a part where it says Atheism is disbelief in God.
The former definition applies to a set of people who are not able to form a belief and has no knowledge of the concept of God. No one here would qualify under that definition. Atheists in general are people who actually don't believe God exists. Claiming it to mean "lack of a belief" and identifying yourself as someone who lacks belief is misrepresenting yourself and being dishonest.
I say:
According to those who draw a distinction between disbelief and unbelief, disbelief appears to mean lack of belief AND lack of unbelief:
<< As nouns the difference between disbelief and unbelief ...
is that disbelief is unpreparedness, unwillingness, or inability to believe that something is the case while unbelief is an absence (or rejection) of belief, especially religious belief. >>
http://www.wikidiff.com/unbelief/disbelief
Consider those an evangelist was unable to convert. Suppose that they all understood his message. Then, there's no difference in their knowledge of what he said. If it's possible that some of them reacted with disbelief whereas the others reacted with unbelief, then it is possible that your interlocutor is what he claims to be - one who lacks either belief or unbelief.
There is indeed a part of the definition of atheism that says "atheism is lack of belief". There is also a part where it says Atheism is disbelief in God.
The former definition applies to a set of people who are not able to form a belief and has no knowledge of the concept of God. No one here would qualify under that definition. Atheists in general are people who actually don't believe God exists. Claiming it to mean "lack of a belief" and identifying yourself as someone who lacks belief is misrepresenting yourself and being dishonest.
I say:
According to those who draw a distinction between disbelief and unbelief, disbelief appears to mean lack of belief AND lack of unbelief:
<< As nouns the difference between disbelief and unbelief ...
is that disbelief is unpreparedness, unwillingness, or inability to believe that something is the case while unbelief is an absence (or rejection) of belief, especially religious belief. >>
http://www.wikidiff.com/unbelief/disbelief
Consider those an evangelist was unable to convert. Suppose that they all understood his message. Then, there's no difference in their knowledge of what he said. If it's possible that some of them reacted with disbelief whereas the others reacted with unbelief, then it is possible that your interlocutor is what he claims to be - one who lacks either belief or unbelief.
Robert Bannister
Apr 11, 2017, 11:02:59 PM4/11/17
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On 11/4/17 5:39 pm, Dingbat wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:54:34 PM UTC+5:30, dillan wrote:
>
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> There is indeed a part of the definition of atheism that says "atheism is lack of belief". There is also a part where it says Atheism is disbelief in God.
> The former definition applies to a set of people who are not able to form a belief and has no knowledge of the concept of God. No one here would qualify under that definition. Atheists in general are people who actually don't believe God exists. Claiming it to mean "lack of a belief" and identifying yourself as someone who lacks belief is misrepresenting yourself and being dishonest.
How nice to be told what we believe and don't believe by a comparative
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:54:34 PM UTC+5:30, dillan wrote:
>
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> There is indeed a part of the definition of atheism that says "atheism is lack of belief". There is also a part where it says Atheism is disbelief in God.
> The former definition applies to a set of people who are not able to form a belief and has no knowledge of the concept of God. No one here would qualify under that definition. Atheists in general are people who actually don't believe God exists. Claiming it to mean "lack of a belief" and identifying yourself as someone who lacks belief is misrepresenting yourself and being dishonest.
stranger.
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> I say:
>
> According to those who draw a distinction between disbelief and unbelief, disbelief appears to mean lack of belief AND lack of unbelief:
>
> << As nouns the difference between disbelief and unbelief ...
> is that disbelief is unpreparedness, unwillingness, or inability to believe that something is the case while unbelief is an absence (or rejection) of belief, especially religious belief. >>
> http://www.wikidiff.com/unbelief/disbelief
>
> Consider those an evangelist was unable to convert. Suppose that they all understood his message. Then, there's no difference in their knowledge of what he said. If it's possible that some of them reacted with disbelief whereas the others reacted with unbelief, then it is possible that your interlocutor is what he claims to be - one who lacks either belief or unbelief.
>
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> I say:
>
> According to those who draw a distinction between disbelief and unbelief, disbelief appears to mean lack of belief AND lack of unbelief:
>
> << As nouns the difference between disbelief and unbelief ...
> is that disbelief is unpreparedness, unwillingness, or inability to believe that something is the case while unbelief is an absence (or rejection) of belief, especially religious belief. >>
> http://www.wikidiff.com/unbelief/disbelief
>
> Consider those an evangelist was unable to convert. Suppose that they all understood his message. Then, there's no difference in their knowledge of what he said. If it's possible that some of them reacted with disbelief whereas the others reacted with unbelief, then it is possible that your interlocutor is what he claims to be - one who lacks either belief or unbelief.
>
Robert B. born England a long time ago;
Western Australia since 1972
Snidely
Apr 13, 2017, 12:35:34 AM4/13/17
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Lo, on the 4/11/2017, Robert Bannister did proclaim ...
was cribbed from that was being told that.
(Hmmm, give me a bit, and I think I can add an extra tense to that.)
>>
>>
>> I say:
>>
>> According to those who draw a distinction between disbelief and unbelief,
>> disbelief appears to mean lack of belief AND lack of unbelief:
>>
>> << As nouns the difference between disbelief and unbelief ...
>> is that disbelief is unpreparedness, unwillingness, or inability to believe
>> that something is the case while unbelief is an absence (or rejection) of
>> belief, especially religious belief. >>
>> http://www.wikidiff.com/unbelief/disbelief
>>
>> Consider those an evangelist was unable to convert. Suppose that they all
>> understood his message. Then, there's no difference in their knowledge of
>> what he said. If it's possible that some of them reacted with disbelief
>> whereas the others reacted with unbelief, then it is possible that your
>> interlocutor is what he claims to be - one who lacks either belief or
>> unbelief.
What we need now is some sort of historical record, showing how meaning
has shifted between disbelief and unbelief or maybe nonbelief.
/dps
--
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean
> On 11/4/17 5:39 pm, Dingbat wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:54:34 PM UTC+5:30, dillan wrote:
>>
>>
>> There is indeed a part of the definition of atheism that says "atheism
>> is lack of belief". There is also a part where it says Atheism is disbelief
>> in God.
>> The former definition applies to a set of people who are not able to
>> form a belief and has no knowledge of the concept of God. No one here would
>> qualify under that definition. Atheists in general are people who actually
>> don't believe God exists. Claiming it to mean "lack of a belief" and
>> identifying yourself as someone who lacks belief is misrepresenting
>> yourself and being dishonest.
>
> How nice to be told what we believe and don't believe by a comparative
> stranger.
Ah, but we aren't being told that. It was the other group the message
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:54:34 PM UTC+5:30, dillan wrote:
>>
>>
>> There is indeed a part of the definition of atheism that says "atheism
>> is lack of belief". There is also a part where it says Atheism is disbelief
>> in God.
>> The former definition applies to a set of people who are not able to
>> form a belief and has no knowledge of the concept of God. No one here would
>> qualify under that definition. Atheists in general are people who actually
>> don't believe God exists. Claiming it to mean "lack of a belief" and
>> identifying yourself as someone who lacks belief is misrepresenting
>> yourself and being dishonest.
>
> How nice to be told what we believe and don't believe by a comparative
> stranger.
was cribbed from that was being told that.
(Hmmm, give me a bit, and I think I can add an extra tense to that.)
>>
>>
>> I say:
>>
>> According to those who draw a distinction between disbelief and unbelief,
>> disbelief appears to mean lack of belief AND lack of unbelief:
>>
>> << As nouns the difference between disbelief and unbelief ...
>> is that disbelief is unpreparedness, unwillingness, or inability to believe
>> that something is the case while unbelief is an absence (or rejection) of
>> belief, especially religious belief. >>
>> http://www.wikidiff.com/unbelief/disbelief
>>
>> Consider those an evangelist was unable to convert. Suppose that they all
>> understood his message. Then, there's no difference in their knowledge of
>> what he said. If it's possible that some of them reacted with disbelief
>> whereas the others reacted with unbelief, then it is possible that your
>> interlocutor is what he claims to be - one who lacks either belief or
>> unbelief.
has shifted between disbelief and unbelief or maybe nonbelief.
/dps
--
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean
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