slang words for the orgasm
James
I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
I can't remember where I heard or read this, has anyone heard this
before?
thanks,
james
Podibanda Kuruppu
roe...@u.arizona.edu (James) writes:
>
> I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
> orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
Dying? I don't see the connection at all! When one is _really_ dying,
what would they say? "I'm coming"? I'm coming into the nether world
I suppose.
William Lieblich
James wrote:
>
> I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
> orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
>
> before?
> thanks,
> james
Take a look at John Donne's poetry. He used variations on the verb "to
die" as a metaphor for sex. Of course, he died (in the literal sense)
over 350 years ago, and there may be more recent examples of the usage.
Bill Lieblich
N.Mitchum
James wrote:
------
> I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
> orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
It's possible. I believe the orgasm was once called "the small
death."
--- NM
Mailers, drop HINTS. (I welcome mailed copies of replies)
O.Det
In article <35858386...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, s.m...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>On 15 Jun 1998 13:18:52 -0700, Podibanda Kuruppu
><podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> wrote:
>
>>roe...@u.arizona.edu (James) writes:
>>>
>>> I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
>>> orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
>>
>>Dying? I don't see the connection at all! When one is _really_ dying,
>>what would they say? "I'm coming"? I'm coming into the nether world
>>I suppose.
>>
>>> I can't remember where I heard or read this, has anyone heard this
>>> before?
>
>Orgasm is commonly referred to as "the little death" (French: La
>petite mort); maybe in other languages as well?
[ref: John Denver had a popular song with the lyric
"...let me die in your arms" -- he didn't mean literally.]
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1998 20:29:52 GMT, s.m...@ix.netcom.com (Polar) in
<35858386...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> wrote
|On 15 Jun 1998 13:18:52 -0700, Podibanda Kuruppu
|<podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> wrote:
|
|>roe...@u.arizona.edu (James) writes:
|>>
|>> I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
|>> orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
|>
|>Dying? I don't see the connection at all! When one is _really_ dying,
|>what would they say? "I'm coming"? I'm coming into the nether world
|>I suppose.
|>
|>> I can't remember where I heard or read this, has anyone heard this
|>> before?
|
|Orgasm is commonly referred to as "the little death" (French: La
|petite mort); maybe in other languages as well?
|
|(sci.lang.translation added)
_Antony and Cleopatra_, Act 1, Scene 2:
CHARMIAN
Our worser thoughts heavens mend! Alexas,--come,
his fortune, his fortune! O, let him marry a woman
that cannot go, sweet Isis, I beseech thee! and let
her die too, and give him a worse! and let worst
follow worse, till the worst of all follow him
laughing to his grave, fifty-fold a cuckold! Good
Isis, hear me this prayer, though thou deny me a
matter of more weight; good Isis, I beseech thee!
I believe this is the canonical citation for the Shakespearian
use of 'to die' in the sense 'to have an orgasm'. There may be
another that is a little clearer (you have to read the whole of
scene 2, wallowing through the old-fashioned language, to get
the general drift of the conversation).
There is also the old joke about Custer's cavalrymen dying with
their boots on at the local facilities before setting off to the
Little Big Horn.
humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare added to newsgroups.
--
Mark Odegard. (descape to email)
Emailed copies of responses are very much appreciated.
Reinhold Aman
James Follett wrote:
[snipped most of an amusing story]
> `Who was that?' demanded my dear wife as I fell into bed.
> `Japanese girl in need of wanking lessons,' I replied and tried to go
> to sleep but it was difficult because I was suddenly the owner of a
> black eye.
This is the second time you've told us of your troubled marriage,
Jimbo. The other time your belovčd denied you nooky for a month for a
similar offense involving a young female.
Here's a broad hint: such humiliations wouldn't happen to you if you
were married to a young, docile & servile Japanese chick.
--
Reinhold Aman
Editor, MALEDICTA
Santa Rosa, CA 95402, USA
http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/
Michael Daymude, Esq.
Here's a broad hint: such humiliations wouldn't happen to you if you were married to a young, docile & servile Japanese chick.
Or, perhaps, a Southern Baptist. -- Michael
H.W.M.
Reinhold Aman wrote:
> James Follett wrote:
>
> Here's a broad hint: such humiliations wouldn't happen to you if you
> were married to a young, docile & servile Japanese chick.
>
Yes, but James does not want to eat his predigested morning rice with
chopsticks. I think a Southern Baptist would be
a better choice.
--
78 HWM henry.w @ gnwmail.com
*********************************************
* I could be bounded in a nut-shell, *
* and count myself a king of infinite space,*
* were it not that I have bad dreams *
*********************************************
Elizabeth le Roux
Mark Odegard wrote:
> ||>roe...@u.arizona.edu (James) writes:
> |>>
> |>> I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
> |>> orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
> |>
> ||Orgasm is commonly referred to as "the little death" (French: La
> |petite mort); maybe in other languages as well?
> |
> Antony and Cleopatra_, Act 1, Scene 2:
> <snip>
> There is also the old joke about Custer's cavalrymen dying with
> their boots on at the local facilities before setting off to the
> Little Big Horn.
This was a very common euphemism for orgasm. Read any of the poets of the
18th century or so, like Dryden or Pope, and you're sure to find a
reference to it. AFAIK, the usage stems from the French.
Regards
Elizabeth.
Rainer Thonnes
In article <6m65ke$7qf$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
ke...@cus.cam.ac.uk (K. Edgcombe) writes:
>
> Actually I am not at all convinced that "come" had the meaning then
> that it has now.
>
> "...to see, to hear, to touch, to kiss, to die with me again....."
> is unambiguous - but puzzling if you don't know the metaphor.
Crikey, that puts a whole new perspective on "Have you come here to die?"
as asked of a new arrival to a cancer hospice in Australia by Princess
Anne who was visiting it (perhaps even to open it). The chap, of course,
either misunderstood or was being cheerfully stoic, since his reply was
"Ow now, I kyme here yesterdye".
Chris J. Gull
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:17:29 -0700, Reinhold Aman did so utter:
[...]
>big bang
>to bust your nuts
>to come
>to come off
>to cream
>to cum
>to die in a woman's lap
>to do number three
>to drop your load
>to fire a shot
>to get off
>to get the dirty off your chest
>to get wet
>to get your cookies
>to get your jollies
>to get your rocks off
>to go off
>to pop a nut
>to shoot
>to shoot off
>to shoot your wad
>to spend
>to squirt
>
>--
>Reinhold Aman
>Editor, MALEDICTA
>Santa Rosa, CA 95402, USA
>http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/
I am totally amazed at the number of ways they orgasmed into your rear
end. It seems to me that one can learn everything there is to know
about buggering, in the nick.
There are a few negative sides to all this "Butt-banging" you
experienced in the joint you know.
First off, your knees are ruined, you'll have lots of problems later
if you don't watch out. Try using knee pads.
Secondly, the next time you find yourself incarcerated, you will find
that your backside will have lost value. For the young lads in the
other "rooms", doing you will be like waving a matchstick in the
Albert Hall.
I'm afraid you will have to remove all your teeth. This saves the pain
of someone pounding the back of your head for scratching his bell end,
or ripping too many hairs out, that have inadvertantly stuck between
your goofies. What ever you do, start practising. If you start with
bananas you should manage to swallow a decent sized cucumber by the
time you are banged up.
Here's wishing you all the best, old boy.
Your dear neo-moron,
--
Chris Gull
~~~~~~~~~~
Micky didn't want to divorce her because of the size of her teeth,
no, she was fucking Goofy.
James Follett
In article <35877F3F...@antarktica.com>
clin...@orbiting.uranus "H.W.M." writes:
>Yes, but James does not want to eat his predigested morning rice with
>chopsticks. I think a Southern Baptist would be
>a better choice.
I have neither the desire or adequate supply of dental floss to eat
Baptists for breakfast. A lightly boiled baby is quite adequate.
--
James Follett -- novelist http://www.davew.demon.co.uk
James Follett
> This is the second time you've told us of your troubled marriage,
>Jimbo. The other time your belovčd denied you nooky for a month for a
>similar offense involving a young female.
>
> Here's a broad hint: such humiliations wouldn't happen to you if you
>were married to a young, docile & servile Japanese chick.
Not troubled. Well... not too much. It's lasted since 1960. It's just that
being married to a teacher does have problems. Eyes in the back of her
head; an uncanny instinct at knowing when I've been up to no good in the
woodshed; and an incredibly good aim when it comes to throwing things as
a result of many years experience at taking out miscreants with sticks of
chalk.
Back in 1960 I had a choice between a teacher or an air hostess (as they
were called then). It was a toss up between: `you'll stay in till you get
it right' or `put this over your mouth and breathe normally'. I settled for
the former.
But I'd love a young, docile and servile Japanese chick, just for
research purposes, you understand. But they don't come cheep. Those
almond-shaped eyes... Ah...
Jill Lundquist
In article <olie-15069...@odet.apple.com>,
O.Det <ol...@DELETESPAM.odet.net> wrote:
>In article <35858386...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, s.m...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>petite mort); maybe in other languages as well?
>
> "...let me die in your arms" -- he didn't mean literally.]
That quote is from "Annie's Song", and I believe the verse in
question can be interpreted either literally or figuratively, and
have been interpreting it both ways for a long time.
Come let me love you.
Let me give my life to you.
Let me drown in your laughter.
Let me die in your arms.
Let me lay down [sic] beside you.
Let me always be with you.
Come let me love you.
Come love me again.
John Denver might have been referring to orgasm there, but in context
it's at least as likely that he was hoping the lover and he would
grow old together and that he would never be without her again, that
she would be with him even when he died.
--
Jill Lundquist ji...@cs.colorado.edu
"I mean, I LIKE flake-baggery and fruit-o-rama, but I like TOUGH-MINDED
flake-baggery and fruit-o-rama." -MWB
Eric The Read
ja...@marage.demon.co.uk (James Follett) writes:
> I have neither the desire or adequate supply of dental floss to eat
> Baptists for breakfast. A lightly boiled baby is quite adequate.
Boiled?
Boiled?
BOILED???
My dear Mr Follett, if ever you had a reputation as a gastronome (which
proposition, I assure you, I wouldn't dream of asserting), this talk of
boiling babies has surely stripped you of it.
Everyone knows they should be broiled lightly, basted with a white wine
sauce, and served over unbuttered toast.
Boiled, indeed.
-=Eric
John Konopak
Elizabeth le Roux <eh...@silwane.hsrc.ac.za> wrote in article
<3587A880...@silwane.hsrc.ac.za>...
>
>
> Mark Odegard wrote:
>
> > ||>roe...@u.arizona.edu (James) writes:
> > |>>
> > |>> I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
> > |>> orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
> > |>
> > ||Orgasm is commonly referred to as "the little death" (French: La
> > |petite mort); maybe in other languages as well?
> > |
>(SNIP)
> This was a very common euphemism for orgasm. Read any of the poets of
the
> 18th century or so, like Dryden or Pope, and you're sure to find a
> reference to it. AFAIK, the usage stems from the French.
>
> Regards
> Elizabeth.
I think the sexiest words I ever heard grunted were "Ich bringe dich um."
Her name was Helga, it was in a VW in the parkinglot of the NCO Club. A
looonngg time ago.
john "I die each time I hear the sound" konopak
James Follett
In article <3587bd4b...@news.wolfsburg.de>
gu...@wolfsburg.de "Chris J. Gull" writes:
>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:17:29 -0700, Reinhold Aman did so utter:
>
>[...]
>
>>big bang
>>to bust your nuts
>>to come
>>(Long list trimmed)
>I am totally amazed at the number of ways they orgasmed into your rear
>end. It seems to me that one can learn everything there is to know
>about buggering, in the nick.
Reinhold answered a straightforward question in a straightforward and
informative manner. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Reinhold -v-
The Rest of the World debate, it is unfair to launch personal attacks
when there is no justification for them.
In case you're wondering, I don't particularly like Reinhold's tirades
but I don't question his knowledge. I would rather suffer his tirades
and be informed than his silence and remain ignorant.
James Follett
In article <xkfk96f...@valdemar.col.hp.com>
emsc...@mail.uccs.edu "Eric The Read" writes:
>My dear Mr Follett, if ever you had a reputation as a gastronome (which
>proposition, I assure you, I wouldn't dream of asserting), this talk of
>boiling babies has surely stripped you of it.
>
>Everyone knows they should be broiled lightly, basted with a white wine
>sauce, and served over unbuttered toast.
Broiling doesn't release the marrow properly. One of the great delights
of such a dish is that wonderful, mouth-watering moment when one can
dispense with one's knife and fork and use one's fingers when sucking
the marrow from the thigh bones.
--
James Follett -- novelist http://www.davew.demon.co.uk
(Who never found W C Fields remotely funny)
Pattie Kealy
Katy Edgcombe wrote:
> (re the use of "dying" to describe having an orgasm)
>
> > It was a common metaphor in Elizabethan verse. I'd be surprised if it
> > didn't pop up in Shakespeare somewhere.
> >
> > There's a wonderful song by Dowland whose meaning I have had to explain
> > several times in groups who were performing it and were puzzled by the
> > references to death.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, the title of the song is "Come Again,"
> so it couldn't have been so very hard to explain.
>
> Nicole Biamonte
If you ever drive through the town of Climax, Saskatchewan, you will see
this sign (more or less) on the highway:
"You are now leaving Climax, Sask. Come again."
Pattie
Reinhold Aman
James Follett wrote:
> In article <358769...@sonic.net> am...@sonic.net
> "Reinhold Aman" writes:
> > This is the second time you've told us of your troubled marriage,
> >Jimbo. The other time your belovčd denied you nooky for a month for a
> >similar offense involving a young female.
> >
> > Here's a broad hint: such humiliations wouldn't happen to you if you
> >were married to a young, docile & servile Japanese chick.
> Not troubled. Well... not too much. It's lasted since 1960. It's just that
> being married to a teacher does have problems.
It's mind-boggling how much we have in common, Jimbo:
-- While boys, we both were bombed by the enemy.
-- We're both famous and successful authors.
-- We're both envied and attacked by the losers.
-- We're both despised by the agčd Dizzy Polar.
-- We were both married in 1960.
-- We both fantasize about lovely, docile Japanese women.
-- My ex and your soon-to-be-ex are teachers.
> Eyes in the back of her head;
Small wonder you're always so jittery: it must be unsettling being
stared at while "doing it doggy-style." I recommend that you do it in
the dark or ask your wife to wear a large hood.
> Back in 1960 I had a choice between a teacher or an air hostess (as they
> were called then). It was a toss up between: `you'll stay in till you get
> it right' or `put this over your mouth and breathe normally'. I settled for
> the former.
Oh, dear. Because of your innate British aversion to yummy
cunnilingus, you passed up 37 years of hearing, upon waking up, "Coffee,
tea, or me?"
Mike Barnes
In alt.usage.english, Eric The Read <emsc...@mail.uccs.edu> spake
thuswise:
>ja...@marage.demon.co.uk (James Follett) writes:
>> I have neither the desire or adequate supply of dental floss to eat
>> Baptists for breakfast. A lightly boiled baby is quite adequate.
>
>Boiled?
>
>Boiled?
>
>BOILED???
>
>proposition, I assure you, I wouldn't dream of asserting), this talk of
>boiling babies has surely stripped you of it.
>
>Everyone knows they should be broiled lightly, basted with a white wine
>sauce, and served over unbuttered toast.
>
James' reputation as a gastronome would have been safer - for no good
reason - had he said "lightly poached".
--
-- Mike Barnes, Stockport, England.
-- If you post a response to Usenet, please *don't* send me a copy by e-mail.
Reinhold Aman
Chris J. Gull wrote:
[snipped my list of synonyms for "to have an orgasm, to ejaculate"]
> I am totally amazed at the number of ways they orgasmed into your rear
> end. It seems to me that one can learn everything there is to know
> about buggering, in the nick.
>
> There are a few negative sides to all this "Butt-banging" you
> experienced in the joint you know.
>
> First off, your knees are ruined, you'll have lots of problems later
> if you don't watch out. Try using knee pads.
>
> Secondly, the next time you find yourself incarcerated, you will find
> that your backside will have lost value. For the young lads in the
> other "rooms", doing you will be like waving a matchstick in the
> Albert Hall.
>
> I'm afraid you will have to remove all your teeth. This saves the pain
> of someone pounding the back of your head for scratching his bell end,
> or ripping too many hairs out, that have inadvertantly stuck between
> your goofies. What ever you do, start practising. If you start with
> bananas you should manage to swallow a decent sized cucumber by the
> time you are banged up.
The subject of this thread is "slang words for the orgasm." What does
neo-moronic Chris "Nomen est omen" Gull do? He rambles on and on about
anal intercourse and prison rape, hilarious topics that have been passé
since last November, after the "alt.aol-sucks" vulgarians had flogged
them to death.
Several AUEers wrote thoughtful responses to Gull's whining about why
nobody takes him seriously or responds to his postings. Did he take
their advice to heart and start contributing coherent, on-topic posts?
See above.
Gull: with your intellectual powers being lower than those of a
lobotomized tadpole, why don't you just shut up if you have nothing
*original* or *interesting* to say? *I* know you're an asshole. *You*
know you're an asshole. Everyone in AUE knows by now you're an
asshole. You need not remind us daily of your affliction.
James Follett
> It's mind-boggling how much we have in common, Jimbo:
This has to be the most depressing thing that's been said to me all
week! You've ruined my day.
>-- While boys, we both were bombed by the enemy.
>-- We're both famous and successful authors.
>-- We're both envied and attacked by the losers.
>-- We're both despised by the agèd Dizzy Polar.
>-- We were both married in 1960.
>-- We both fantasize about lovely, docile Japanese women.
>-- My ex and your soon-to-be-ex are teachers.
Soon-to-be-ex? Yet again, your assumptions have thrown themselves on
a horse and galloped off in all directions. We may go at each other
`hammer and tongs' (is that phrase known in North America?) on many
occasions but I'd never want to lose a good line editor with a remarkable
ability to spot verbless sentences. Only our cats come between us because
cats obey Follett's second law of which states: A sleeping cat on a
duvet trebles in weight.
(PS: She always wins because she grabs the hammer.)
> Oh, dear. Because of your innate British aversion to yummy
>cunnilingus, you passed up 37 years of hearing, upon waking up, "Coffee,
>tea, or me?"
How did this idea get about that the British have an aversion to
going `down town'? I've read this before and can assure you that it's
gobbledegook. On my last visit to America the English muffin ruled
supreme, particularly first thing in the morning at coffee time. Sometimes
it seemed that every hotel waitress wanted me to have one.
Scott Burright
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Mike Barnes wrote:
> In alt.usage.english, Eric The Read <emsc...@mail.uccs.edu> spake
> thuswise:
> >ja...@marage.demon.co.uk (James Follett) writes:
> >> I have neither the desire or adequate supply of dental floss to eat
> >> Baptists for breakfast. A lightly boiled baby is quite adequate.
> >
> >Boiled?
> >
> >Boiled?
> >
> >BOILED???
> >
> >My dear Mr Follett, if ever you had a reputation as a gastronome (which
> >proposition, I assure you, I wouldn't dream of asserting), this talk of
> >boiling babies has surely stripped you of it.
> >
> >Everyone knows they should be broiled lightly, basted with a white wine
> >sauce, and served over unbuttered toast.
> >
> >Boiled, indeed.
>
> James' reputation as a gastronome would have been safer - for no good
> reason - had he said "lightly poached".
According to the noted authority, Jonathan Swift:
"I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in
London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most
delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked,
or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee
or a ragout.... the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and
seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the
fourth day, especially in winter."
("A Modest Proposal")
--Scott Burright
Gwen Lenker
Mike Barnes wrote in message ...
[...]
>>
>>My dear Mr Follett, if ever you had a reputation as a gastronome
(which
>>proposition, I assure you, I wouldn't dream of asserting), this talk
of
>>boiling babies has surely stripped you of it.
>>
>>Everyone knows they should be broiled lightly, basted with a white
wine
>>sauce, and served over unbuttered toast.
>>
>>Boiled, indeed.
>
>James' reputation as a gastronome would have been safer - for no good
>reason - had he said "lightly poached".
"Lightly poached" to me implies a relatively short cooking time, which
would not release the marrow and develop the flavor of the juices as
James described. I think, therefore, he probably meant "gently
braised" -- at least, as the term is commonly used in the US.
N.Mitchum
Gwen Lenker wrote to >>Mike Barnes :
-----
> >James' reputation as a gastronome would have been safer - for no good
> >reason - had he said "lightly poached".
>
> "Lightly poached" to me implies a relatively short cooking time, which
> would not release the marrow and develop the flavor of the juices as
> James described. I think, therefore, he probably meant "gently
> braised" -- at least, as the term is commonly used in the US.
All your descriptions make my mouth water, and now I'm eager to
get started on the recipes. But nobody has said whether the
babies are cooked alive or dead.
Podibanda Kuruppu
part is probably a tangential remark.
Lawrence J. Krakauer
sandee98 wrote:
>
> In any event...what a lovely way to go. ;)))))
With the advent of Viagra, we've had quite a few of
these recently.
>
> William Lieblich <w...@his.com> wrote in article <35859B...@his.com>...
> > James wrote:
> > >
> > > I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
> > > orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
[...]
--
Larry Krakauer (lar...@kronos.com)
Mark Odegard
[Posted, e-mailed] **Please note Spam Trap** On Thu, 18 Jun
1998 20:53:59 GMT, s.m...@ix.netcom.com (Polar) in
<358f7e44...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> wrote
|On 18 Jun 1998 11:30:22 -0700, Podibanda Kuruppu
|<podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> wrote:
|
|[....]
|
|>Sushi is live fish, so babies should not be any different. Cooking
|>part is probably a tangential remark.
|
|WHAT?!!!??? They cut up the fish ALIVE?!
|
|Please tell me this is not true!!
Umm. With fish, vivisection does happen. Lots of people
gut/clean their catch immediately after landing it, without
bothering to make sure the fish no longer of this world. Other
times, they just put the flopping fish into the catch basket,
and let it die of anoxia.
What's the kosher method of dealing with fish?
obaue. What *is* the term that means 'drowning in air' for
gill-breathers.
Podibanda Kuruppu
ode...@means.netscape (Mark Odegard) writes:
>
> [Posted, e-mailed] **Please note Spam Trap** On Thu, 18 Jun
> 1998 20:53:59 GMT, s.m...@ix.netcom.com (Polar) in
> <358f7e44...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> wrote
>
> |On 18 Jun 1998 11:30:22 -0700, Podibanda Kuruppu
> |<podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> wrote:
> |
> |[....]
> |
> |>Sushi is live fish, so babies should not be any different. Cooking
> |>part is probably a tangential remark.
> |
> |WHAT?!!!??? They cut up the fish ALIVE?!
> |
> |Please tell me this is not true!!
>
> Umm. With fish, vivisection does happen. Lots of people
> gut/clean their catch immediately after landing it, without
> bothering to make sure the fish no longer of this world. Other
Thanks to you we now have one less sushi eater in the world.
> times, they just put the flopping fish into the catch basket,
> and let it die of anoxia.
>
> What's the kosher method of dealing with fish?
I hope I'm not going to see the "hookless bait" thread again!
N.Mitchum
Mark Odegard wrote:
------
> obaue. What *is* the term that means 'drowning in air' for
> gill-breathers.
It would still be asphyxiation or suffocation, wouldn't it? No
matter what the cause, they are not getting the needed oxygen.
Michael Cargal
ode...@means.netscape (Mark Odegard) wrote:
>Umm. With fish, vivisection does happen. Lots of people
>gut/clean their catch immediately after landing it, without
>bothering to make sure the fish no longer of this world. Other
>times, they just put the flopping fish into the catch basket,
>and let it die of anoxia.
>
>What's the kosher method of dealing with fish?
I've cut up many a tuna for sushi, and while you can cut a chunk out
of a live fish, you need to put it in the refrigerator for half an
hour or so before slicing it for sushi. It slices better if it's
stopped quivering.
>obaue. What *is* the term that means 'drowning in air' for
>gill-breathers.
Suffocating.
Brian J Goggin
On 18 Jun 1998 15:01:48 -0700, Podibanda Kuruppu
<podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> wrote:
>ode...@means.netscape (Mark Odegard) writes:
[...]
>> Umm. With fish, vivisection does happen. Lots of people
>> gut/clean their catch immediately after landing it, without
>> bothering to make sure the fish no longer of this world. Other
>Thanks to you we now have one less sushi eater in the world.
And oysters?
bjg
Mark Barton
In article <358f7e44...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, s.m...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>On 18 Jun 1998 11:30:22 -0700, Podibanda Kuruppu
><podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> wrote:
>
>[....]
>
>>Sushi is live fish, so babies should not be any different. Cooking
>>part is probably a tangential remark.
>
>WHAT?!!!??? They cut up the fish ALIVE?!
>
>Please tell me this is not true!!
The good news is that sushi is not in general made directly from live
fish. The bad news is that sometimes it is. There is a word for it:
"ikezukuri", from "ikeru" ("to live") and tsukuru ("to make").
Cheers,
Mark B.
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On Thu, 18 Jun 98 11:41:05 GMT, ja...@marage.demon.co.uk (James
Follett) wrote thusly:
<snip>
>On my last visit to America the English muffin ruled
>supreme, particularly first thing in the morning at coffee time. Sometimes
>it seemed that every hotel waitress wanted me to have one.
The better hotels over here usually provide a nice spread for
breakfast; in fact, many a cunning linguist will rise at the crack of
dawn to satisfy their ravenous appetites. As for those
eager-to-please waitresses you encountered, they were just bending
over backwards trying to butter you up to ensure that they received a
large tip. Who says you can't have your muffin and eat it too?
It's all a matter of good taste, no matter how you approach it.
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David C. Wright
In group alt.usage.english, article <3585645d...@news.azstarnet.com>,
roe...@u.arizona.edu (James) wrote:
>I once read somewhere that before the word "coming" was used for an
>orgasm, such as "I am coming" people said "I am dying"
>
>before?
It might be fallout from ancient hindi. In the Kama Sutra, the term used
to describe the release from the cycle of love and death was 'Moksha'.
That term was also used to describe the orgasm. When the Kama Sutra was
translated into english, that parallel may have persisted.
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- Matthew 15:14
Reinhold Aman
James Follett wrote:
> In article <3588D1...@sonic.net> am...@sonic.net "Reinhold Aman" writes:
> > It's mind-boggling how much we have in common, Jimbo:
> This has to be the most depressing thing that's been said to me all
> week! You've ruined my day.
It could be worse: someone *really* cruel could have listed what you
and Polar have in common.
> >-- While boys, we both were bombed by the enemy.
> >-- We're both famous and successful authors.
> >-- We're both envied and attacked by the losers.
> >-- We're both despised by the agčd Dizzy Polar.
> >-- We were both married in 1960.
> >-- We both fantasize about lovely, docile Japanese women.
> >-- My ex and your soon-to-be-ex are teachers.
> Soon-to-be-ex? Yet again, your assumptions have thrown themselves on
> a horse and galloped off in all directions.
This metaphorical horse must be sort of like Polar, dizzily changing
directions as it gallops off. All horses I've observed take off in
*one* direction. Such an amateurish image -- a horse galloping off "in
all directions" -- calls for the immediate revocation of your poetic
license.
> Only our cats come between us [...]
Super. I have cats, too. Add to list above.
> > Oh, dear. Because of your innate British aversion to yummy
> >cunnilingus, you passed up 37 years of hearing, upon waking up, "Coffee,
> >tea, or me?"
> How did this idea get about that the British have an aversion to
> going `down town'? I've read this before and can assure you that it's
> gobbledegook.
*You* may be a rare exception, Jimbo; after all, you're French on your
father's side (Follett). This well-known anti-cunnilingual trait of the
Brits has been studied extensively by Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld (Berlin,
early 1930s). He noticed the stunning correlation between _gamaruch_ or
_gamahouche_ ("pussy-eating") and the condition of teeth of the French
and the British.
You see, vulvar and vaginal secretions are acidic (and in certain
groups, Hassidic), thus beneficial to the teeth by killing off
bacteria. To summarize the physician's findings in his 1933 treatise,
"Über das sogenannte Fotzenschlecken und die dentalmedizinische
Gesundheit der Franzosen und Engländer": (1) May I remind you of the
legendary bad teeth of the British, and (2) Have you ever met a
Frenchman with bad teeth? I rest my case.
>On my last visit to America the English muffin ruled
> supreme, particularly first thing in the morning at coffee time. Sometimes
> it seemed that every hotel waitress wanted me to have one.
Yes, they *wanted* you to have their muffins, but being British, you
refused their offer and kept a stiff upper lip (which can be very
painful for the tender labia minora and clit). I'm not convinced. When
I see a photo of you on your website with a toothy grin, I'll be able to
judge whether you're a "Birch 'em" or a "Lick 'em & Stick 'em" Briton.
John Goodwin
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:45:03 -0700, Reinhold Aman <am...@sonic.net>
wrote:
snip
>> Soon-to-be-ex? Yet again, your assumptions have thrown themselves on
>> a horse and galloped off in all directions.
>
> This metaphorical horse must be sort of like Polar, dizzily changing
>directions as it gallops off. All horses I've observed take off in
>*one* direction. Such an amateurish image -- a horse galloping off "in
>all directions" -- calls for the immediate revocation of your poetic
>license.
Believe me Rhinestone, the image of a horse galloping off in all
directions seems to fit perfectly with an image of what pass for
thought processes in your head.
> *You* may be a rare exception, Jimbo; after all, you're French on your
>father's side (Follett). This well-known anti-cunnilingual trait of the
>Brits has been studied extensively by Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld (Berlin,
>early 1930s). He noticed the stunning correlation between _gamaruch_ or
>_gamahouche_ ("pussy-eating") and the condition of teeth of the French
>and the British.
>
> You see, vulvar and vaginal secretions are acidic (and in certain
>groups, Hassidic), thus beneficial to the teeth by killing off
>bacteria. To summarize the physician's findings in his 1933 treatise,
>"Über das sogenannte Fotzenschlecken und die dentalmedizinische
>Gesundheit der Franzosen und Engländer": (1) May I remind you of the
>legendary bad teeth of the British, and (2) Have you ever met a
>Frenchman with bad teeth? I rest my case.
As is so often the case, you've got it the wrong way round. Acid is
*bad* for your teeth. Plaque bacteria *like* an acid environment.
Draw your own conclusions from the research mentioned.
JG
Rainer Thonnes
In article <yxxsol2...@seegiri.nsd.3com.com>,
Podibanda Kuruppu <podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> writes:
>
> Sushi is live fish, so babies should not be any different.
Sushi is *not* live fish. Sushi are sculptures created out of two main
ingredients, namely paper-like sheets of dried seaweed, and boiled sticky
rice. The basic technique involves as tool a mat made out of small sticks
of bamboo, each perhaps 8" long, tied together with thread so that the
mat can be rolled up, the sticks at all times parallel. When unrolled
the mat is perhaps 11" long. A sheet of nori (that's the seaweed paper)
is put on the mat, rice is spread on it, and it is then rolled up with
the aid of the mat. The roll, without the mat, ends up with the seaweed
sheet forming the outer layer, holding it all together. The roll is then
sliced up into bite-size pieces which, depending on exactly how the rice
was spread, may or may not show spiral shapes on their surfaces.
Often they are filled, sometimes with bits of raw fish, sometimes with
cooked fish, but you can get vegetarian sushi, e.g. with a filling of
scrambled egg or carrot or cucumber.
You can get "recursive" sushi, in which a lengthwise sliced sushi roll
is used as the filling for another. The idea is to make it look nice,
to feed the eyes, not just the mouth.
podibanda Kuruppu
Rainer Thonnes wrote:
> In article <yxxsol2...@seegiri.nsd.3com.com>,
> Podibanda Kuruppu <podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> writes:
> >
> > Sushi is live fish, so babies should not be any different.
>
> Sushi is *not* live fish. Sushi are sculptures created out of two main
You are so correct. My apologies. I really meant the slivers of fish used
tomake sushi. I think the poster on this thread did use the word "sushi"
previously and so, I continued using it as well.
[excellent description of sushi snipped]
> You can get "recursive" sushi, in which a lengthwise sliced sushi roll
> is used as the filling for another. The idea is to make it look nice,
> to feed the eyes, not just the mouth.
Well, I think you have a jewel here - "a recursive sushi"! I love it.
Inrecursive function calls (put on your programmer's hat please), the
last piece of information is retrieved by the first call to the function.
With recursive sushi, one eats the last roll first.
Would they understand me if I asked for a "recursive sushi" though?
Mark Baker
In article <358A7ED1...@nospam.3com.com>,
podibanda Kuruppu <poNOS...@NoSpam.3com.com> writes:
>> Sushi is *not* live fish. Sushi are [a rice-based dish]
>
> You are so correct. My apologies. I really meant the slivers of fish used
> tomake sushi.
I've heard the word sashimi(sp?) used, which I think means raw fish.
Rainer Thonnes
In article <358A7ED1...@NoSpam.3com.com>,
podibanda Kuruppu <poNOS...@NoSpam.3com.com> writes:
>
> Well, I think you have a jewel here - "a recursive sushi"! I love it.
> Inrecursive function calls (put on your programmer's hat please), the
> last piece of information is retrieved by the first call to the function.
> With recursive sushi, one eats the last roll first.
>
> Would they understand me if I asked for a "recursive sushi" though?
OK, "recursive" is too strong a term, I ought to have said "nested".
Perhaps if they were to supply a picture-based point-and-click
menu interface, all you'd have to do is press a few buttons and
out would come "designer sushi"!
Michael Cargal
mba...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Baker) wrote:
>In article <358A7ED1...@nospam.3com.com>,
> podibanda Kuruppu <poNOS...@NoSpam.3com.com> writes:
>
>>> Sushi is *not* live fish. Sushi are [a rice-based dish]
>>
>> You are so correct. My apologies. I really meant the slivers of fish used
>> tomake sushi.
>
>I've heard the word sashimi(sp?) used, which I think means raw fish.
Not exactly. As used in Baja California (the Mexican peninsula below
the US California), sashimi is chunks of raw fish mixed with chopped
tomato, onion, and cilantro and lots of lemon or lime juice. The
citrus does some chemical magic on the fish that turns it opaque, so
sit looks, feels, and tastes like cooked fish.
Evan Kirshenbaum
car...@cts.com (Michael Cargal) writes:
> mba...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Baker) wrote:
> >I've heard the word sashimi(sp?) used, which I think means raw fish.
>
> Not exactly. As used in Baja California (the Mexican peninsula below
> the US California), sashimi is chunks of raw fish mixed with chopped
> tomato, onion, and cilantro and lots of lemon or lime juice. The
> citrus does some chemical magic on the fish that turns it opaque, so
> sit looks, feels, and tastes like cooked fish.
That sounds a hell of a lot like "ceviche" (or "seviche"):
a dish of raw fish marinated in lime or lemon juice often with oil,
onions, peppers, and seasonings and served esp. as an appetizer
At least here in the Bay Area (and, I believe, in Japan), "sashimi" is
*precisely*
a Japanese dish consisting of thinly sliced raw fish served with a
sauce for dipping
as MWCD10 defines it.
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Lawrence J. Krakauer
Polar wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:23:17 GMT, b...@wordwrights.ie (Brian J Goggin)
> wrote:
> >On 18 Jun 1998 15:01:48 -0700, Podibanda Kuruppu
> ><podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> wrote:
[...]
> >>Thanks to you we now have one less sushi eater in the world.
>
>
> I wasn't too keen on it anyway, because of possible dangers from
> infectious critters within.
> >
> >And oysters?
>
> Shudder!
I eat sushi sparingly, and use the "safe sushi" card I
carry in my wallet:
__________________________________________________
| SAFE SUSHI: |
| Bluefin, Yellowfin Tuna (Maguro) |
| Albacore Tuna (Shira Maguro) |
| Fish Roe, Abalone, Octopus |
| POSSIBLE PROBLEMS: |
| Fresh water fish, Salmon (Sake) |
| Cod, Haddock, Whiting, Mackerel (Saba) |
| Squid (Ika) |
| Japanese Yellowtail (Hamachi) (rarely) |
|__________________________________________________|
This came from a Boston Globe article a number of years ago.
With all the contamination of the oceans these days, I tend to
limit my eating of raw shelfish such as clams and oysters to
"Legal Sea Foods" here in the Boston (Massachusetts, USA)
area; they have their own in-house microbiological testing
laboratory. And every now and then they have an oyster
special that allows me to down several varieties in one
sitting. Ah, oysters!
ObEng:
The Walrus and The Carpenter
Lewis Carroll
from Through the Looking-Glass
and What Alice Found There, 1872)
The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright--
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.
The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done--
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun!"
The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead--
There were no birds to fly.
The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
"If this were only cleared away,"
They said, "it would be grand!"
"If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year.
Do you suppose," the Walrus said,
"That they could get it clear?"
"I doubt it," said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.
"O Oysters, come and walk with us!"
The Walrus did beseech.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each."
The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head--
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.
But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.
Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more--
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.
The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.
"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
"But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.
"A loaf of bread," the Walrus said,
"Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed--
Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed."
"But not on us!" the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
"After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," the Walrus said.
"Do you admire the view?
"It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf--
I've had to ask you twice!"
"It seems a shame," the Walrus said,
"To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"The butter's spread too thick!"
"I weep for you," the Walrus said:
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.
"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
--
Larry Krakauer (lar...@kronos.com)
H.W.M.
Polar wrote:
> On 18 Jun 1998 11:30:22 -0700, Podibanda Kuruppu
> <podiN...@seegiri.ewdnospam.3com.com> wrote:
>
> [....]
>
> >Sushi is live fish, so babies should not be any different. Cooking
> >part is probably a tangential remark.
>
> WHAT?!!!??? They cut up the fish ALIVE?!
>
> Please tell me this is not true!!
>
> Polar
Well, sort of in cases, I mean after you chop the head off, the body
still twists...[1]
Then again I did see one of these BBC food documentaries on Japan, I
think it was, where the cook took a fish, degutted it, and smacked it
in the hot oil, flapping its tail....[2] Sorry to have caused you
mental anguish.
1 That is when you start processing the fish
2 And here of course we are not discussing sushi any more, fried fish it
was called.
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* and count myself a king of infinite space,*
* were it not that I have bad dreams *
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H.W.M.
Reinhold Aman wrote:
> James Follett wrote:
>
> ------snip--------
>
> > Soon-to-be-ex? Yet again, your assumptions have thrown themselves on
> > a horse and galloped off in all directions.
>
> This metaphorical horse must be sort of like Polar, dizzily changing
> directions as it gallops off. All horses I've observed take off in
> *one* direction. Such an amateurish image -- a horse galloping off "in
> all directions" -- calls for the immediate revocation of your poetic
> license.
Why did I all of a sudden get the idea that the assumptions each took a separate
horse when they decided to split their party? Maybe if you draw and quarter a
horse it can gallop in separate directions, but then the image requires more guts.
K1912
H.W.M. wrote:
>Reinhold Aman wrote:
>
>> James Follett wrote:
>>
>> ------snip--------
>>
>> > Soon-to-be-ex? Yet again, your assumptions have thrown themselves on
>> > a horse and galloped off in all directions.
>>
>> This metaphorical horse must be sort of like Polar, dizzily
>changing
>> directions as it gallops off. All horses I've observed take off in
>> *one* direction. Such an amateurish image -- a horse galloping off "in
>> all directions" -- calls for the immediate revocation of your poetic
>> license.
>
>
Reinhold, it was the Canadian humorist Stephen Leacock's quip: "He flung
himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions." (Surely an old
jokester like you remembers Leacock. "Many a man in love with a dimple makes
the mistake of marrying the whole girl" is another quip of his. My favorite
Leacock quip is: "The parent who could see his boy as he really is would shake
his head and say, "Willie [Lindell] is no good; I'll sell him.")
George
K1912
David McMurray
H.W.M. <pikk...@antarktica.com> wrote:
> Reinhold Aman wrote:
> > James Follett wrote:
> > > Soon-to-be-ex? Yet again, your assumptions have thrown themselves on
> > > a horse and galloped off in all directions.
> > This metaphorical horse must be sort of like Polar, dizzily changing
> > directions as it gallops off. All horses I've observed take off in
> > *one* direction. Such an amateurish image -- a horse galloping off "in
> > all directions" -- calls for the immediate revocation of your poetic
> > license.
Stephen Leacock was no amateur; those who paraphrase him may be,
however.
--
David
PaulArris
H.W.M. wrote:
>
> Reinhold Aman wrote:
>
> > James Follett wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Soon-to-be-ex? Yet again, your assumptions have thrown themselves on
> > > a horse and galloped off in all directions.
> >
> > This metaphorical horse must be sort of like Polar, dizzily changing
> > directions as it gallops off. All horses I've observed take off in
> > *one* direction. Such an amateurish image -- a horse galloping off "in
> > all directions" -- calls for the immediate revocation of your poetic
> > license.
>
> horse when they decided to split their party? Maybe if you draw and quarter a
> horse it can gallop in separate directions, but then the image requires more guts.
>
not all, four different directions. No blood and guts necessary.
Paul Smith
markem
What the hell was that all about Chris? Totally unacceptable!
Settle private matters somewhere else and try to be civilised about it!
Andrej
Chris J. Gull wrote in message <3587bd4b...@news.wolfsburg.de>...
>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:17:29 -0700, Reinhold Aman did so utter:
>
>[...]
>
>>big bang
>>to bust your nuts
>>to come
>>to come off
>>to cream
>>to cum
>>to die in a woman's lap
>>to do number three
>>to drop your load
>>to fire a shot
>>to get off
>>to get the dirty off your chest
>>to get wet
>>to get your cookies
>>to get your jollies
>>to get your rocks off
>>to go off
>>to pop a nut
>>to shoot
>>to shoot off
>>to shoot your wad
>>to spend
>>to squirt
>>
>>--
>>Reinhold Aman
>>Editor, MALEDICTA
>>Santa Rosa, CA 95402, USA
>>http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/
>
>I am totally amazed at the number of ways they orgasmed into your rear
>end. It seems to me that one can learn everything there is to know
>about buggering, in the nick.
>
>There are a few negative sides to all this "Butt-banging" you
>experienced in the joint you know.
>
>First off, your knees are ruined, you'll have lots of problems later
>if you don't watch out. Try using knee pads.
>
>Secondly, the next time you find yourself incarcerated, you will find
>that your backside will have lost value. For the young lads in the
>other "rooms", doing you will be like waving a matchstick in the
>Albert Hall.
>
>I'm afraid you will have to remove all your teeth. This saves the pain
>of someone pounding the back of your head for scratching his bell end,
>or ripping too many hairs out, that have inadvertantly stuck between
>your goofies. What ever you do, start practising. If you start with
>bananas you should manage to swallow a decent sized cucumber by the
>time you are banged up.
>
>Here's wishing you all the best, old boy.
>
>Your dear neo-moron,
>
>--
>Chris Gull
>~~~~~~~~~~
>Micky didn't want to divorce her because of the size of her teeth,
>no, she was fucking Goofy.
Hannah Dvorak-Carbone
In article <358a973d...@news2.cts.com>, car...@cts.com says...
>
>mba...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Baker) wrote:
>
>>In article <358A7ED1...@nospam.3com.com>,
>> podibanda Kuruppu <poNOS...@NoSpam.3com.com> writes:
>>
>>>> Sushi is *not* live fish. Sushi are [a rice-based dish]
>>>
>>> You are so correct. My apologies. I really meant the slivers of fish used
>>> tomake sushi.
>>
>
>Not exactly. As used in Baja California (the Mexican peninsula below
>the US California), sashimi is chunks of raw fish mixed with chopped
>tomato, onion, and cilantro and lots of lemon or lime juice. The
>citrus does some chemical magic on the fish that turns it opaque, so
>sit looks, feels, and tastes like cooked fish.
Not exactly. What you're describing is not sashimi, but ceviche.
AFAIK, sashimi does indeed refer to raw fish, esp. as served in
Japanese restaurants.
(BTW, the "chemical magic" is simply the following. Fish, like
all meat, is mostly protein. Both heat (e.g. from cooking) and acid
(e.g. lemon or lime juice) have the same effect on protein, namely
to denature it (i.e. disrupt its structure). That's why fish in
ceviche and cooked fish are so similar.)
- Hannah Dvorak-Carbone
Brian J Goggin
On 24 Jun 1998 03:26:47 GMT, hdv...@cns.caltech.edu (Hannah
Dvorak-Carbone) wrote:
[...]
>(BTW, the "chemical magic" is simply the following. Fish, like
>all meat, is mostly protein. Both heat (e.g. from cooking) and acid
>(e.g. lemon or lime juice) have the same effect on protein, namely
>to denature it (i.e. disrupt its structure). That's why fish in
>ceviche and cooked fish are so similar.)
Huzzah! A learned foodie!
More recipes ... oops, sorry, definitions of food terms ... please.
bjg
Michael Cargal
hdv...@cns.caltech.edu (Hannah Dvorak-Carbone) wrote:
>In article <358a973d...@news2.cts.com>, car...@cts.com says...
>>
>>mba...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Baker) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <358A7ED1...@nospam.3com.com>,
>>> podibanda Kuruppu <poNOS...@NoSpam.3com.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Sushi is *not* live fish. Sushi are [a rice-based dish]
>>>>
>>>> You are so correct. My apologies. I really meant the slivers of fish used
>>>> tomake sushi.
>>>
>>>I've heard the word sashimi(sp?) used, which I think means raw fish.
>>
>>Not exactly. As used in Baja California (the Mexican peninsula below
>>the US California), sashimi is chunks of raw fish mixed with chopped
>>tomato, onion, and cilantro and lots of lemon or lime juice. The
>>citrus does some chemical magic on the fish that turns it opaque, so
>>sit looks, feels, and tastes like cooked fish.
>
>Not exactly. What you're describing is not sashimi, but ceviche.
>AFAIK, sashimi does indeed refer to raw fish, esp. as served in
>Japanese restaurants.
Of course. You are exactly right. I must have had a brain infarction.
Michael Cargal car...@cts.com