--
Gerald Friedman
Well, I can report that the first "Jerry" at Google Books is from 1720
and the first given name "Gerry" is from 1928, but there's nothing
obviously Irish about the first few "Gerry"s. Obaue: a lot of the
earlier references to Gerry are about the eponym of "gerrymander".
--
Jerry Friedman
This is fictional, I know, but Wimsey's nephew Viscount St George was
"Jerry" in the novels written/set in the 1920s/1930s. It's the sort of
thing that Dorothy L. Sayers - who was a stickler for detail of that
sort of social kind - would not have made up or imagined.
Regards
Jonathan
Philip Eden
You are looking for people in the past whose name was "Gerald" and
"Gerard" and whose nickname was spelled "Jerry"?
Searching the Literaturepost site by Googling:
site:literaturepost.com jerry gerald
returns two pieces of literature:
Women in Love by Lawrence, D.H. - Chapter 29
'My God, Jerry,' she said, turning to Gerald with
sudden intimacy, 'you've done it now.'
The Adventures of Sally by Wodehouse, Pelham
Grenville - Chapter 15
Poor Gerald! No wonder he had seemed upset. A few
minutes later he came in. "Oh, Jerry darling," said
Sally, as he reached the table,
You can work out the years yourself.
The same search, changed to gerard, yields nothing.
When I started looking around for your answer, I noticed how little use
there was of Gerry. The only "Gerry" in the Literaturepost collection is
a reference to the Gerry Society, which Wikipedia says
The New York Society for the Prevention of Cruelty
to Children was founded in 1875 by Elbridge Thomas
Gerry and Nehry Bergh as the world's first child
protective agency. It is sometimes called the Gerry
Society after its co-founder.
The first year that Gerry shows up as a nickname in the Google Books
collection is 2001! Something so recent doesn't fit your "people
think/always" conjecture.
Literature post returns results identifying Jerry with Jeremiah, and
Jerry with Jerome, and nothing for Jerry with Jeremy.
Finally, a straight Google, on the theory that nicknames are often
listed right next to the full first name, as in "Dr. Gerald (Gerry)
Carr":
"gerald jerry" 273,000
"gerald gerry" 23,000
--
Best -- Donna Richoux
Or "Jerome". But in addition to Jonathan Morton's example (and let's
not bring pickled gherkins into this), the former U. S. president Jerry
Ford and the disgrace Jerry Springer (born on an Underground train in
London) are Geralds. I may be the last Gerald who's a Jerry, though.
It is not relevant to anything that, according to Wikipedia, Geraldo
Rivera was born Gerald Rivera and spent some of his youth as Jerry
Rivers. Or that his mother's maiden name was Friedman. I might
mention, though, that the name "Geraldo" seems to be unknown in Mexico,
and when Mexicans have called me by a Spanish name it's been "Gerardo".
--
Lalo Friedman
Yes, or "Gerry".
> Searching the Literaturepost site by Googling:
>
> site:literaturepost.com jerry gerald
>
> returns two pieces of literature:
>
> Women in Love by Lawrence, D.H. - Chapter 29
> 'My God, Jerry,' she said, turning to Gerald with
> sudden intimacy, 'you've done it now.'
>
> The Adventures of Sally by Wodehouse, Pelham
> Grenville - Chapter 15
> Poor Gerald! No wonder he had seemed upset. A few
> minutes later he came in. "Oh, Jerry darling," said
> Sally, as he reached the table,
>
> You can work out the years yourself.
They obviously need some Sayers!
> The same search, changed to gerard, yields nothing.
>
> When I started looking around for your answer, I noticed how little use
> there was of Gerry. The only "Gerry" in the Literaturepost collection is
> a reference to the Gerry Society, which Wikipedia says
>
> The New York Society for the Prevention of Cruelty
> to Children was founded in 1875 by Elbridge Thomas
> Gerry and Nehry Bergh as the world's first child
> protective agency. It is sometimes called the Gerry
> Society after its co-founder.
>
> The first year that Gerry shows up as a nickname in the Google Books
> collection is 2001!
It shows up as a given name in 1929 with one Gerry Hammond.
<http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC01484758&id=S4MxizviJo4C&q=Gerry+-senator+date:1920-1940&dq=Gerry+-senator+date:1920-1940&pgis=1>
or <http://snipurl.com/11048>. I suppose that might be from the
surname rather than as a nickname.
The earliest example I know of from literature is from /Pale Fire/, by
Nabokov (1962).
'"You'll find him in the directory," she said pushing it towards him,
and dismissing the sick man's existence to attend to the wants of Mr.
Gerald Emerald...
"...'Doesn't he live near Mr. Shade, Gerry?'"
(note to line 949, p. 283 of the Vintage edition)
> Something so recent doesn't fit your "people think/always" conjecture.
It's a fact. (If you take "lots of people" to be "lots of people I
know". If you take it as "a large proportion of the English-speaking
population of the world", I admit it would be a conjecture.) On paper
I've been known to all my employers as Gerald, and I frequently get
e-mails and such addressed to Gerry. People have expressed surprise
when I've told them, "Gerald with a G, but Jerry with a J". One
colleague continues to start his e-mails with "Gerry" even though I've
told him the spelling I prefer and even when he's replying to an e-mail
that I signed "Jerry".
The subject came up on the Nabokov mailing list when someone said he
was surprised my name was Gerald.
> Literature post returns results identifying Jerry with Jeremiah, and
> Jerry with Jerome, and nothing for Jerry with Jeremy.
>
> Finally, a straight Google, on the theory that nicknames are often
> listed right next to the full first name, as in "Dr. Gerald (Gerry)
> Carr":
>
> "gerald jerry" 273,000
> "gerald gerry" 23,000
I didn't think of that one, and I'm very surprised at the results.
Anyway, thanks for the research. It's quite clear that "Gerry" is new.
--
Jerry Friedman
'Jerry' is short for 'Jerome'.
> Donna Richoux wrote:
> > The first year that Gerry shows up as a nickname in the Google Books
> > collection is 2001!
>
> It shows up as a given name in 1929 with one Gerry Hammond.
> <http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC01484758&id=S4MxizviJo4C&q=Gerry+-s
> enator+date:1920-1940&dq=Gerry+-senator+date:1920-1940&pgis=1> or
> <http://snipurl.com/11048>. I suppose that might be from the surname
> rather than as a nickname.
Hm, there's some sort of glitch here. When I repeat my search the way I
did it, limiting the top year, I only get two hits for Gerry, both as a
surname. But when I ask for all results between two years, I get more
results, including your Gerry Hammond.
So there's something odd going on which I can't stop to figure out now,
but I withdraw that date of 2001 as it may have been produced by this
glitch.
> Donna Richoux wrote:
> > Finally, a straight Google, on the theory that nicknames are often
> > listed right next to the full first name, as in "Dr. Gerald (Gerry)
> > Carr":
> >
> > "gerald jerry" 273,000
> > "gerald gerry" 23,000
>
> I didn't think of that one, and I'm very surprised at the results.
I meant to say -- you should try running that one yourself, as we have
gotten such wildly different results on these sorts of Google numbers
during the last year or two.
My guess is that the J spelling was originally used for Jeremy and then
extended.
--
Rob Bannister
A theory which collapses instantly as soon as you're acquainted with anyone
known as Jerry who is not called Jerome. Which is the case inside this very
thread. The Oxford Names Companion has 'Jerry' as a diminutive for Jerome,
Jeremy, Gerard and Gerald.
--
John Dean
Oxford
> I'd always assumed "Jerry" was short for "Jeremy".
Yes. Or "Jerome", or "Jeremiah", or "Yirmyahu".
--
Stefano
I would think that that mouse would have saved them from that.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://people.tribe.net/hayesstw
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
In the case of my stepbrother, "Jerry" is short for "Jerrold".
I suppose it might be of interest to note that my father's name is
Gerard (whence my middle name). I am told that when he was a little
boy, his mother had been spelling his nickname as "Gerry". Then, at
some point when he was about (I guess) 10, he decided that he liked
the "Jerry" spelling better, and he started writing it that way. For
some reason he seemed to think that the "G" suggested a feminine name
or diminutive of "Geraldine", although in that case one would probably
be more likely to see "Geri" than "Gerry".
Today "Jerry" is the established spelling of my father's nickname, and
sometimes when he wants to give out this name over the telephone he
will say, "Jerry, with a 'J'." Now that I think about it, I don't
really think people get it wrong very often. However, I do know that
loads of people mistakenly think that his full name is Gerald.
daniel mcgrath
--
Daniel Gerard McGrath, a/k/a "Govende":
for e-mail replace "invalid" with "com"
Developmentally disabled;
has Autism (Pervasive Developmental Disorder),
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder,
& periodic bouts of depression.
[This signature is under construction.]
True. I have an Aunt Geri, from the same feminine name that you cite.
I had a window-installer here whose business card has "Gerrell". He
intoduced himself as "Jerry", but I don't know how he spelled that. I
have a cousin named "Jerome", but, since he goes by the name of "Jerry",
many of his nieces and nephews have had to guess at his real name, and
have come up with Gerold, Jerrold, Gerard, and the like.
>
> Today "Jerry" is the established spelling of my father's nickname, and
> sometimes when he wants to give out this name over the telephone he
> will say, "Jerry, with a 'J'." Now that I think about it, I don't
> really think people get it wrong very often. However, I do know that
> loads of people mistakenly think that his full name is Gerald.
Say, I don't think that anyone has suggested Jeremiah, yet.
>
My parents taught me that my nickname was Jerry. When I asked them why the
first letter is different, they said "It just is.".
I remained Jerry for about 40 years and then decided that Gerry was more
accurate. I am positively amazed at the number of people who tell me that
I'm "not supposed" to spell it that way because it's the feminine form.
One time a guy overheard me spelling my name, and snapped "That's [hard
G]Gerry!!". His arrogance ticked me off-- I replied "Yeah-- short for
[hard G]Gerald-- you [hard G]gerk!!!"
Gerry (dammit)
Yeah, like Jerry Hall.
--
Ray
UK
I might have known somebody would have had the opposite experience.
When you went by Jerry, were people certain that you were misspelling
your nickname?
Anyway, I'm not prescriptive about this. I tell people that "Jerry" is
the old style (or in my trendy moments, "old school"), but I don't tell
Gerrys they're misspelling their name.
--
Jerry Friedman
Was that mouse's name Gerald? If it's not specified, I imagine
disbelievers in Jerry-for-Gerald think his name is Jerome, Jeremy,
Jeremiah, Jerrold etc., or just Jerry. (Wikipedia doesn't list any
full name for either Jerry Lee Lewis, an annoying American popular
singer, or Jerry Rice, a former star in American football. However, I
see that the California politician Jerry Brown, now in the news again,
is Edmund Gerald Brown, Jr.)
--
Jerry Friedman
>Say, I don't think that anyone has suggested Jeremiah, yet.
The only Jeremiah I know uses the ekename "Jere". It is pronounced the
same way as "Gerry" and "Jerry", of course.
--
Graeme Thomas
> I'm a Gerald.
>
> My parents taught me that my nickname was Jerry. When I asked them why the
> first letter is different, they said "It just is.".
>
> I remained Jerry for about 40 years and then decided that Gerry was more
> accurate. I am positively amazed at the number of people who tell me that
> I'm "not supposed" to spell it that way because it's the feminine form.
That is truly weird. It's the same as Jeff and Geoff.
--
Rob Bannister
Bizarrely enough, "Gerald Gerry" without quotation marks gets lots of
hits with "Jerry" bolded.
"Gerald Jerry": 277,000
"Gerald Gerry": 23,600
Pretty similar.
--
Jerry Friedman
I don't think anyone has ever suggested that my husband is using the
feminine form. We have had people call him "Goffrey" and "Godfrey", and
even "Gee-off" - usually telemarketers.
Fran
> Donna Richoux wrote:
> > jerry_f...@yahoo.com <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Donna Richoux wrote:
> >
> > > > Finally, a straight Google, on the theory that nicknames are often
> > > > listed right next to the full first name, as in "Dr. Gerald (Gerry)
> > > > Carr":
> > > >
> > > > "gerald jerry" 273,000
> > > > "gerald gerry" 23,000
> > >
> > > I didn't think of that one, and I'm very surprised at the results.
> >
> > I meant to say -- you should try running that one yourself, as we have
> > gotten such wildly different results on these sorts of Google numbers
> > during the last year or two.
>
> Bizarrely enough, "Gerald Gerry" without quotation marks gets lots of
> hits with "Jerry" bolded.
Oh, yes, the bolds business. I think I worked out once that the bolds
don't affect the counts. Someone at Google must have created some lists
and formulas of synonyms so that if you search on one thing, it points
out (through bold) some closely related terms -- and depending on where
they occur on the page, it may display those extracts before the ones
you actually asked for. But somewhere in that document containing a bold
"Jerry" must also be the words "Gerald" and "Gerry" or else Google is
really falling down on the job... Yes, the one where all you see is
Jerry Lynch in the hit, does contain both Gerald and Gerry.
>
> "Gerald Jerry": 277,000
> "Gerald Gerry": 23,600
>
> Pretty similar.
Good. Thanks for checking.
Are you pleased to learn you're not as alone as you thought?
>> That is truly weird. It's the same as Jeff and Geoff.
>>
>I don't think anyone has ever suggested that my husband is using the
>feminine form. We have had people call him "Goffrey" and "Godfrey", and
>even "Gee-off" - usually telemarketers.
>
I have a brother named Jeff and a cousin-by-marriage named Geoff. I
pronounce both the same. Both answer, so I guess I'm right.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Or jail and gaol.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain
eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer
receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet
address could disappear at any time.
Or Jillian and Gillian.
> > "Gerald Jerry": 277,000
> > "Gerald Gerry": 23,600
> >
> > Pretty similar.
>
> Good. Thanks for checking.
>
> Are you pleased to learn you're not as alone as you thought?
It's interesting, but what bothers me is the people who don't know
about "Jerry" (or "Gerry") for "Gerald".
--
Jerry Friedman, and I mean it.
Perhaps this is another pondial thing: I have only ever met one Jillian,
but most Gillians I have known are/were called Jill.
--
Rob Bannister
>Robert Lieblich wrote:
>> Or Jillian and Gillian.
>
>Perhaps this is another pondial thing: I have only ever met one Jillian,
>but most Gillians I have known are/were called Jill.
About half the Gillians I've known spelt their nickname Gill.
None of the Jillians did.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm