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Charles Bishop
Nov 10, 2014, 12:05:35 PM11/10/14
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In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
remember who lived where.
I was re-reading Gaiman and Pratchett's _Good Omens_ and there was
mention of this (which I cannot find now) and the homes' names were"The
Larches", "mon repos" ,and "Dunnromin" or similar. Pratchett also uses
"Dunnmanifestin" as the home of the Gods.
I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
Englanders present named their homes?
As far as house numbers, a small mention should be made of me, looking
for an address, walking down the street in the direction of "increasing"
address numbers, only to reach the end of the street and find the
numbers "turned" and then went down the other side. The address I wanted
was just opposite of where I started.
Not that this still bothers me or anything. "Quaint" is what I told
myself at the time.
--
charles
house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
remember who lived where.
I was re-reading Gaiman and Pratchett's _Good Omens_ and there was
mention of this (which I cannot find now) and the homes' names were"The
Larches", "mon repos" ,and "Dunnromin" or similar. Pratchett also uses
"Dunnmanifestin" as the home of the Gods.
I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
Englanders present named their homes?
As far as house numbers, a small mention should be made of me, looking
for an address, walking down the street in the direction of "increasing"
address numbers, only to reach the end of the street and find the
numbers "turned" and then went down the other side. The address I wanted
was just opposite of where I started.
Not that this still bothers me or anything. "Quaint" is what I told
myself at the time.
--
charles
Guy Barry
Nov 10, 2014, 12:17:33 PM11/10/14
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"Charles Bishop" wrote in message
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>As far as house numbers, a small mention should be made of me, looking
>for an address, walking down the street in the direction of "increasing"
>address numbers, only to reach the end of the street and find the
>numbers "turned" and then went down the other side. The address I wanted
>was just opposite of where I started.
Known as a "boustrophedon", from Greek "bous" (ox) and "strophe" (turn).
The analogy is with an ox drawing a plough across a field:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boustrophedon#Other_examples
--
Guy Barry
"Charles Bishop" wrote in message
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>As far as house numbers, a small mention should be made of me, looking
>for an address, walking down the street in the direction of "increasing"
>address numbers, only to reach the end of the street and find the
>numbers "turned" and then went down the other side. The address I wanted
>was just opposite of where I started.
The analogy is with an ox drawing a plough across a field:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boustrophedon#Other_examples
--
Guy Barry
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Nov 10, 2014, 12:59:58 PM11/10/14
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On 2014-11-10 17:05:29 +0000, Charles Bishop said:
> [ … ]
> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> Englanders present named their homes?
The houses I lived in as a child had names, but the Post Office wasn't
at all keen on them, at times ignoring them and refusing to deliver to
addresses where no street numbers were included in the address. In two
of the three cases I can think of there were perfectly good numbers to
use. However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I
don't think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never
discovered what it was.
I forget who it was, but one person who became prominent in the UK said
in his memoirs that when he went to a very classy school (probably
Eton), he was the only boy in his class who lived in a numbered house
along a named street in a real city.
--
athel
> [ … ]
> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> Englanders present named their homes?
at all keen on them, at times ignoring them and refusing to deliver to
addresses where no street numbers were included in the address. In two
of the three cases I can think of there were perfectly good numbers to
use. However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I
don't think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never
discovered what it was.
I forget who it was, but one person who became prominent in the UK said
in his memoirs that when he went to a very classy school (probably
Eton), he was the only boy in his class who lived in a numbered house
along a named street in a real city.
--
athel
Peter Young
Nov 10, 2014, 1:19:40 PM11/10/14
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On 10 Nov 2014 Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> remember who lived where.
> I was re-reading Gaiman and Pratchett's _Good Omens_ and there was
> mention of this (which I cannot find now) and the homes' names were"The
> Larches", "mon repos" ,and "Dunnromin" or similar. Pratchett also uses
> "Dunnmanifestin" as the home of the Gods.
> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> Englanders present named their homes?
The form of house names in the UK is, and always was, unpredictable.
> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> remember who lived where.
> I was re-reading Gaiman and Pratchett's _Good Omens_ and there was
> mention of this (which I cannot find now) and the homes' names were"The
> Larches", "mon repos" ,and "Dunnromin" or similar. Pratchett also uses
> "Dunnmanifestin" as the home of the Gods.
> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> Englanders present named their homes?
The "Dun-" form is not unusual, and for a time there was the fashion
for making house names out of the names of the inhabitants. I can't
think of an example of this, but the sort of thing is Bob and Lyn
living in a house called "Boblyn". Local features are often used;
Church House, for instance, or the house at the start of the road that
I live in, The Lindens, in spite of the fact that the linden trees are
no longer there.
Memories of the inhabitants sometime influence the name. The house
where I lived WIWAL (1944-1949) was called Bernina, presumably because
of a happy stay in the Bernese Oberland by a previous inhabitant. We
discovered that it was originally called Applegarth, meaning Apple
Garden, which I would have thought to have been more appropriate.
One house name that amused me is in a village in West Wales. The house
was Gwin Gwyn, which looks suitably Celtic and romantic, but in fact
means White Wine.
Just a few examples, but I'm sure others can supply more.
> As far as house numbers, a small mention should be made of me, looking
> for an address, walking down the street in the direction of "increasing"
> address numbers, only to reach the end of the street and find the
> numbers "turned" and then went down the other side. The address I wanted
> was just opposite of where I started.
even then oddities happen. I'm on the even-numbered side of my road,
but this side has only one tributary road, but the odd-numbered side
has about eight. That means that my no. 112 is opposite 89, and that
puzzles people when they, for instance, seem to be perplexed when they
can't find where 111 is.
> Not that this still bothers me or anything. "Quaint" is what I told
> myself at the time.
Bernina to another town we were at no. 11, and next door was 15.
Peter.
--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Re)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
Peter Young
Nov 10, 2014, 1:24:52 PM11/10/14
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numbers tend not to exist; the whole village is numbered regardless of
which road the house in. We've had four lovely holidays (AmE
vacations) in a cottage whose address was 18 Anaheilt.
charles
Nov 10, 2014, 1:34:17 PM11/10/14
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In article <e40c7e645...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
"Patris Donum" was one we came across when house hunting in 1963, and next
door to us was "Telvesno" (anagram of "Love Nest"). The current owners
changed it to something more mundane.
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
door to us was "Telvesno" (anagram of "Love Nest"). The current owners
changed it to something more mundane.
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Mike Barnes
Nov 10, 2014, 1:52:42 PM11/10/14
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Charles Bishop wrote:
> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> remember who lived where.
>
> I was re-reading Gaiman and Pratchett's _Good Omens_ and there was
> mention of this (which I cannot find now) and the homes' names were"The
> Larches", "mon repos" ,and "Dunnromin" or similar. Pratchett also uses
> "Dunnmanifestin" as the home of the Gods.
>
> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> Englanders present named their homes?
I've *un*named this house, in that when I bought it it had a name and
> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> remember who lived where.
>
> I was re-reading Gaiman and Pratchett's _Good Omens_ and there was
> mention of this (which I cannot find now) and the homes' names were"The
> Larches", "mon repos" ,and "Dunnromin" or similar. Pratchett also uses
> "Dunnmanifestin" as the home of the Gods.
>
> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> Englanders present named their homes?
apparently no number. I found out that there was a number, and from then
on I used the number rather than the name.
My previous house also had a name, and if it had a number I never found
out what it was in the short time I lived there. It was only after I
sold the house that I became aware that the name was really cheesy. The
name was "Holmleigh", which apparently you're supposed to read as
"homely". Yuk.
There's a certain amount of snobbery regarding names vs. numbers,
exemplified by a recent poster in a uk.* thread writing "only plebs live
in houses with numbers". Now that I think about it, ISTR James Follett
expressing a similar view in this group, but as always with the English
it can be hard to tell whether such remarks are meant to be taken seriously.
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Richard Tobin
Nov 10, 2014, 2:00:03 PM11/10/14
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In article <ctbishop-46710D...@news.individual.net>,
*as well as* a number. They wouldn't work well in places where there
are no numbers as they need to be all different with the area.
A main road near where I once lived in Birmingham (England) had houses
with no numbers but names whose first letters were in alphabetical
order. They had presumably been assigned when the houses were built
because they were in the stonework above the door.
-- Richard
Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I was re-reading Gaiman and Pratchett's _Good Omens_ and there was
>mention of this (which I cannot find now) and the homes' names were"The
>Larches", "mon repos" ,and "Dunnromin" or similar. Pratchett also uses
>"Dunnmanifestin" as the home of the Gods.
Incidentally, it's quite common for houses to have names like these
>I was re-reading Gaiman and Pratchett's _Good Omens_ and there was
>mention of this (which I cannot find now) and the homes' names were"The
>Larches", "mon repos" ,and "Dunnromin" or similar. Pratchett also uses
>"Dunnmanifestin" as the home of the Gods.
*as well as* a number. They wouldn't work well in places where there
are no numbers as they need to be all different with the area.
A main road near where I once lived in Birmingham (England) had houses
with no numbers but names whose first letters were in alphabetical
order. They had presumably been assigned when the houses were built
because they were in the stonework above the door.
-- Richard
Richard Tobin
Nov 10, 2014, 2:05:03 PM11/10/14
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In article <cccfrm...@mid.individual.net>,
>There's a certain amount of snobbery regarding names vs. numbers,
>exemplified by a recent poster in a uk.* thread writing "only plebs live
>in houses with numbers". Now that I think about it, ISTR James Follett
>expressing a similar view in this group
Fancy that!
-- Richard
Mike Barnes <mikeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I've *un*named this house, in that when I bought it it had a name and
>apparently no number.
If I had a house with no number, I would name it "NaN".
>I've *un*named this house, in that when I bought it it had a name and
>apparently no number.
>There's a certain amount of snobbery regarding names vs. numbers,
>exemplified by a recent poster in a uk.* thread writing "only plebs live
>in houses with numbers". Now that I think about it, ISTR James Follett
>expressing a similar view in this group
-- Richard
Katy Jennison
Nov 10, 2014, 2:24:23 PM11/10/14
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On 10/11/2014 17:59, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2014-11-10 17:05:29 +0000, Charles Bishop said:
>
>> [ … ]
>
>> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
>> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
>> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
>> Englanders present named their homes?
>
> The houses I lived in as a child had names, but the Post Office wasn't
> at all keen on them, at times ignoring them and refusing to deliver to
> addresses where no street numbers were included in the address. In two
> of the three cases I can think of there were perfectly good numbers to
> use. However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I
> don't think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never
> discovered what it was.
Our present house has a name and doesn't have a number. Our previous
> On 2014-11-10 17:05:29 +0000, Charles Bishop said:
>
>> [ … ]
>
>> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
>> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
>> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
>> Englanders present named their homes?
>
> The houses I lived in as a child had names, but the Post Office wasn't
> at all keen on them, at times ignoring them and refusing to deliver to
> addresses where no street numbers were included in the address. In two
> of the three cases I can think of there were perfectly good numbers to
> use. However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I
> don't think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never
> discovered what it was.
house had both, but in practice the number was the only thing the PO
recognised. The Post Office has no trouble knowing where our present
house is (maybe they have a map, or each postie passes this and other
arcane knowledge on to their successor), but we have to give extra
instructions to other sorts of delivery-persons.
I don't think it's very usual here for people to name their own homes.
Most houses aren't named; if they are, people buy a house and the name
comes with it, and changing it would be problematic if it doesn't also
have a street and a number. Probably the only people who name their
houses are people who've built one themselves in an obscure place where
there aren't any house numbers.
There have been fashions, yes; and in some cases houses start with just
a name and acquire a number later when more houses are built along the
same street. But names are the exception.
--
Katy Jennison
Steve Hayes
Nov 10, 2014, 2:40:22 PM11/10/14
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:05:29 -0800, Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
>usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
>for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
>Englanders present named their homes?
Costa Plenty
--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
wrote:
>I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
>usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
>for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
>Englanders present named their homes?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
John Varela
Nov 10, 2014, 3:10:35 PM11/10/14
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:23:40 UTC, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk>
wrote:
> Something I forgot when I posted just now. In Highland Scotland street
> numbers tend not to exist; the whole village is numbered regardless of
> which road the house in. We've had four lovely holidays (AmE
> vacations) in a cottage whose address was 18 Anaheilt.
Is mail delivered to the door, or does the number perhaps correspond
to a Post Office box number?
--
John Varela
wrote:
> Something I forgot when I posted just now. In Highland Scotland street
> numbers tend not to exist; the whole village is numbered regardless of
> which road the house in. We've had four lovely holidays (AmE
> vacations) in a cottage whose address was 18 Anaheilt.
to a Post Office box number?
--
John Varela
Peter Young
Nov 10, 2014, 3:18:36 PM11/10/14
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village of Anaheilt. This pattern is all over the Highlands, or at
least the Western Highlands, which I know best.
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Nov 10, 2014, 3:41:09 PM11/10/14
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he and his wife had named it. They had given the same name to every
house they had lived in. It was "Cotegreen". Perhaps it was a placename
that had some personal significance to them. We used the name for a
couple of years and then removed the name-board as the name had no
meaning to us. I still have the board somewhere.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
charles
Nov 10, 2014, 3:51:33 PM11/10/14
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In article <05e988645...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 10 Nov 2014 "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:23:40 UTC, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> Something I forgot when I posted just now. In Highland Scotland street
> >> numbers tend not to exist; the whole village is numbered regardless of
> >> which road the house in. We've had four lovely holidays (AmE
> >> vacations) in a cottage whose address was 18 Anaheilt.
> > Is mail delivered to the door, or does the number perhaps correspond
> > to a Post Office box number?
> No the mail goes to the door. The number means house number 18 in the
> village of Anaheilt. This pattern is all over the Highlands, or at
> least the Western Highlands, which I know best.
I think that I'd probably call it "Bluebell Croft".
> On 10 Nov 2014 "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:23:40 UTC, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> Something I forgot when I posted just now. In Highland Scotland street
> >> numbers tend not to exist; the whole village is numbered regardless of
> >> which road the house in. We've had four lovely holidays (AmE
> >> vacations) in a cottage whose address was 18 Anaheilt.
> > Is mail delivered to the door, or does the number perhaps correspond
> > to a Post Office box number?
> No the mail goes to the door. The number means house number 18 in the
> village of Anaheilt. This pattern is all over the Highlands, or at
> least the Western Highlands, which I know best.
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Nov 10, 2014, 3:53:53 PM11/10/14
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as Number One, London, aka Apsley House.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsley_House
> Now that I think about it, ISTR James Follett
>expressing a similar view in this group, but as always with the English
>it can be hard to tell whether such remarks are meant to be taken seriously.
--
Katy Jennison
Nov 10, 2014, 3:54:31 PM11/10/14
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On 10/11/2014 20:40, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> My house had a name when I moved in. The previous owner explained that
> he and his wife had named it. They had given the same name to every
> house they had lived in. It was "Cotegreen".
Goodness. So the country could be littered with houses all of the same
> My house had a name when I moved in. The previous owner explained that
> he and his wife had named it. They had given the same name to every
> house they had lived in. It was "Cotegreen".
name.
--
Katy Jennison
David D S
Nov 10, 2014, 4:03:26 PM11/10/14
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> [...]
told me of one house that had the name Earlcote: Eileen And Reggie's
Little Corner Of The Earth , near to Bournemouth. WE lived in a house
called "Fairlea", though it was almost always known by its number: 74.
I often hoped there would be a house in Crawley called "Creepy".
--
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>
> The form of house names in the UK is, and always was, unpredictable.
> The "Dun-" form is not unusual, and for a time there was the fashion
> for making house names out of the names of the inhabitants. I can't
> think of an example of this, but the sort of thing is Bob and Lyn
> living in a house called "Boblyn". Local features are often used;
> Church House, for instance, or the house at the start of the road
> that I live in, The Lindens, in spite of the fact that the linden
> trees are no longer there.
My brother who worked for the PO as postcodes were being assigned
> The form of house names in the UK is, and always was, unpredictable.
> The "Dun-" form is not unusual, and for a time there was the fashion
> for making house names out of the names of the inhabitants. I can't
> think of an example of this, but the sort of thing is Bob and Lyn
> living in a house called "Boblyn". Local features are often used;
> Church House, for instance, or the house at the start of the road
> that I live in, The Lindens, in spite of the fact that the linden
> trees are no longer there.
told me of one house that had the name Earlcote: Eileen And Reggie's
Little Corner Of The Earth , near to Bournemouth. WE lived in a house
called "Fairlea", though it was almost always known by its number: 74.
I often hoped there would be a house in Crawley called "Creepy".
--
David D S: UK and PR China. (Native BrEng speaker)
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Garrett Wollman
Nov 10, 2014, 4:15:26 PM11/10/14
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In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-drFdB2qomRLC@localhost>,
We used to have a more complicated version of that for Rural Free
Delivery and Highway Contract Routes. A person's mailing address
might be "RFD 1, Box 33, Waterbury, VT 05676"[1] -- until E911 came
along and they gave street names and house numbers to the boonies.
"HCR #33, Box 176" was the other format. You can still see both of
these in Google search results.
-GAWollman
[1] An actual address in Bolton Flats, if memory serves me right.
Bolton had no post office, so depending on where in town you were, you
might have a Waterbury (the flats), Richmond (the ski area and the
back side of the river), or Underhill (West Bolton) mailing address.
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Delivery and Highway Contract Routes. A person's mailing address
might be "RFD 1, Box 33, Waterbury, VT 05676"[1] -- until E911 came
along and they gave street names and house numbers to the boonies.
"HCR #33, Box 176" was the other format. You can still see both of
these in Google search results.
-GAWollman
[1] An actual address in Bolton Flats, if memory serves me right.
Bolton had no post office, so depending on where in town you were, you
might have a Waterbury (the flats), Richmond (the ski area and the
back side of the river), or Underhill (West Bolton) mailing address.
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Peter Young
Nov 10, 2014, 4:44:32 PM11/10/14
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Sam Plusnet
Nov 10, 2014, 5:15:58 PM11/10/14
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In article <m3r8m5$vao$2...@news.albasani.net>, ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com
says...
Yes, but there are also Post Codes.
Generally something like 6 addresses share a post code, so that makes
things much easier.
<Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
share a post code.>
Our house has both a name and a number. The number is however of no use
in finding the house due to the eccentric nature of the numbering
'system'.
The houses on either side of us do not have any street numbers only
names, & the houses on the opposite side of the street have only
numbers, but these form an entirely different sequence.
--
Sam
says...
Generally something like 6 addresses share a post code, so that makes
things much easier.
<Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
share a post code.>
Our house has both a name and a number. The number is however of no use
in finding the house due to the eccentric nature of the numbering
'system'.
The houses on either side of us do not have any street numbers only
names, & the houses on the opposite side of the street have only
numbers, but these form an entirely different sequence.
--
Sam
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Nov 10, 2014, 5:20:15 PM11/10/14
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On Monday, November 10, 2014 5:05:35 PM UTC, Charles Bishop wrote:
> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> remember who lived where.
"the ideal U-address is PQR where P is a place-name, Q a describer, and R the name of a county, as 'Shirwell Hall, Salop'"
> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> remember who lived where.
'Upper-Class English Usage' 1954 by Alan Ross, Professor of Linguistics at Birmingham University. / 'U and non-U' 1956.
Owain
Sam Plusnet
Nov 10, 2014, 5:21:28 PM11/10/14
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In article <e40c7e645...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
pny...@ormail.co.uk says...
> One house name that amused me is in a village in West Wales. The house
> was Gwin Gwyn, which looks suitably Celtic and romantic, but in fact
> means White Wine.
>
> Just a few examples, but I'm sure others can supply more.
>
>
I remember seeing "Thisledome".
After some puzzling we realised it was a slightly altered version of
This'll Do Me.
--
Sam
pny...@ormail.co.uk says...
> One house name that amused me is in a village in West Wales. The house
> was Gwin Gwyn, which looks suitably Celtic and romantic, but in fact
> means White Wine.
>
> Just a few examples, but I'm sure others can supply more.
>
>
After some puzzling we realised it was a slightly altered version of
This'll Do Me.
--
Sam
James Silverton
Nov 10, 2014, 5:51:42 PM11/10/14
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On 11/10/2014 3:17 PM, Peter Young wrote:
> On 10 Nov 2014 "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:23:40 UTC, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Something I forgot when I posted just now. In Highland Scotland street
>>> numbers tend not to exist; the whole village is numbered regardless of
>>> which road the house in. We've had four lovely holidays (AmE
>>> vacations) in a cottage whose address was 18 Anaheilt.
>
>> Is mail delivered to the door, or does the number perhaps correspond
>> to a Post Office box number?
>
> No the mail goes to the door. The number means house number 18 in the
> village of Anaheilt. This pattern is all over the Highlands, or at
> least the Western Highlands, which I know best.
>
I grew up in a house that was built from prefabricated on a road called
> On 10 Nov 2014 "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:23:40 UTC, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Something I forgot when I posted just now. In Highland Scotland street
>>> numbers tend not to exist; the whole village is numbered regardless of
>>> which road the house in. We've had four lovely holidays (AmE
>>> vacations) in a cottage whose address was 18 Anaheilt.
>
>> Is mail delivered to the door, or does the number perhaps correspond
>> to a Post Office box number?
>
> No the mail goes to the door. The number means house number 18 in the
> village of Anaheilt. This pattern is all over the Highlands, or at
> least the Western Highlands, which I know best.
>
Dunnollie Rd in the Scottish Highlands that did not have numbers. My
father liked the fact that the house was covered with Red Cedar shakes
and called it "The Cedars" and it is still called that that 60 years
later and mail is still delivered to the door.
--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
Extraneous "not." in Reply To.
Peter T. Daniels
Nov 10, 2014, 6:06:04 PM11/10/14
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On Monday, November 10, 2014 1:19:40 PM UTC-5, Peter Young wrote:
> Odd numbers one side, even the other, is the usual UK pattern, but
> even then oddities happen. I'm on the even-numbered side of my road,
> but this side has only one tributary road, but the odd-numbered side
> has about eight. That means that my no. 112 is opposite 89, and that
> puzzles people when they, for instance, seem to be perplexed when they
> can't find where 111 is.
Over Here it's the lots rather than the houses that are numbered, and
> Odd numbers one side, even the other, is the usual UK pattern, but
> even then oddities happen. I'm on the even-numbered side of my road,
> but this side has only one tributary road, but the odd-numbered side
> has about eight. That means that my no. 112 is opposite 89, and that
> puzzles people when they, for instance, seem to be perplexed when they
> can't find where 111 is.
if a property occupies more than one lot, they can choose whichever
included number is most euphonious as the one to use.
> > Not that this still bothers me or anything. "Quaint" is what I told
> > myself at the time.
>
> Another British oddity is to omit the number 13. When we moved from
> Bernina to another town we were at no. 11, and next door was 15.
a street.
Don Phillipson
Nov 10, 2014, 6:08:18 PM11/10/14
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"Athel Cornish-Bowden" <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote in message
news:ccccoq...@mid.individual.net...
> However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I don't
> think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never discovered
> what it was.
My grandparents' address in 1940 was simply Yellowbois, Cranbrook,
Kent. Cranbrook then had a population of (est.) 5,000 (and they liked
marmalade cats.) Everyone called their road the Hawkhurst Road
because it went to the next town, thus named, but I remember no signs.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
news:ccccoq...@mid.individual.net...
> However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I don't
> think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never discovered
> what it was.
Kent. Cranbrook then had a population of (est.) 5,000 (and they liked
marmalade cats.) Everyone called their road the Hawkhurst Road
because it went to the next town, thus named, but I remember no signs.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Paul Wolff
Nov 10, 2014, 6:45:19 PM11/10/14
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> posted:
place I live in, and it has 24 A4 typescript pages on the house names,
which I'd love to quote extensively, but my typing fingers would get
blunt.
Lawrences has the entry "the only property to retain its ancient name
from the 1548 survey."
Our neighbours, in whose orchard our house was built in 1980:
"Abners. Part of the old messuage called Morters..." [now the name of
the house on our other side built in Abners' orchard in the late 1960s]
"Was owned by the Graces, tailors and blacksmiths, but the dwelling
house was then roughly where the garage is now." Note that the name
attaches to the property as a whole, not the building per se: "This
house's old name was Pigeons. Two Abner Grace's acted as Parish Clerk
for many years last century. One died in 1882, the other resigned the
position in 1897, to be followed by John Gardner who later lived in
Abners. For its use as a chapel, see chapter on chapels." [Well,
obviously.] "Inside on a beam, is the inscription I.A.L. 1651. These are
the same initials as appear on an undated token which also has the
grocers' arms, and it seems likely that the grocer, John Lewendon, lived
here..."
So the current name of the house occupying the messuage formerly known
as Morters including a house formerly known as Pigeons is derived from
the forenames of the two Abner Graces (or Grace's), Parish Clerks of
late Victorian times.
The entry for the nearby house now called Blue Haze, which contains
still visible Tudor wall paintings in one of the bedrooms ("Wallpaper is
so vulgar, my dear"), ends "The old name of the house was Nails." The
adjacent house, which has a bridged stream running through its garden,
is called Naylesbridge Cottage, and "has been thus termed for more than
200 years."
That's long enough for a postman to learn where it is.
When I was a boy and wrote weekly letters home from school, I addressed
them in three lines: Foxley Manor Cottage, Holyport, Berkshire. It was a
farmworkers' cottage, and it seemed obvious where it could be found - by
Foxley Manor, in the Berkshire village of Holyport. [The place now has
radio-controlled gates and is probably worth a million quid. I bet they
haven't stopped it flooding in a bad winter, though.]
remarkably easy to do: my house has a side door with a name, as a result
of an accident, and now we can't get shot of it. The door gets letters
from the local Council asking it to register to vote, and things like
that. We've made a mutually satisfactory arrangement with the postman
that he won't try to deliver to that door, and we won't complain that he
doesn't. All letters now come to our front door willy-nilly, and I bin
the duplicates.
--
Paul
>In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
>house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
>even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
>giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
>when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
>remember who lived where.
>
I've fished out a 1981 publication ("This Venerable Village") on the
>house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
>even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
>giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
>when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
>remember who lived where.
>
place I live in, and it has 24 A4 typescript pages on the house names,
which I'd love to quote extensively, but my typing fingers would get
blunt.
Lawrences has the entry "the only property to retain its ancient name
from the 1548 survey."
Our neighbours, in whose orchard our house was built in 1980:
"Abners. Part of the old messuage called Morters..." [now the name of
the house on our other side built in Abners' orchard in the late 1960s]
"Was owned by the Graces, tailors and blacksmiths, but the dwelling
house was then roughly where the garage is now." Note that the name
attaches to the property as a whole, not the building per se: "This
house's old name was Pigeons. Two Abner Grace's acted as Parish Clerk
for many years last century. One died in 1882, the other resigned the
position in 1897, to be followed by John Gardner who later lived in
Abners. For its use as a chapel, see chapter on chapels." [Well,
obviously.] "Inside on a beam, is the inscription I.A.L. 1651. These are
the same initials as appear on an undated token which also has the
grocers' arms, and it seems likely that the grocer, John Lewendon, lived
here..."
So the current name of the house occupying the messuage formerly known
as Morters including a house formerly known as Pigeons is derived from
the forenames of the two Abner Graces (or Grace's), Parish Clerks of
late Victorian times.
The entry for the nearby house now called Blue Haze, which contains
still visible Tudor wall paintings in one of the bedrooms ("Wallpaper is
so vulgar, my dear"), ends "The old name of the house was Nails." The
adjacent house, which has a bridged stream running through its garden,
is called Naylesbridge Cottage, and "has been thus termed for more than
200 years."
That's long enough for a postman to learn where it is.
When I was a boy and wrote weekly letters home from school, I addressed
them in three lines: Foxley Manor Cottage, Holyport, Berkshire. It was a
farmworkers' cottage, and it seemed obvious where it could be found - by
Foxley Manor, in the Berkshire village of Holyport. [The place now has
radio-controlled gates and is probably worth a million quid. I bet they
haven't stopped it flooding in a bad winter, though.]
>
>I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
>usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
>for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
>Englanders present named their homes?
>
New houses get new names, if they're not in a numbered street. It's
>I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
>usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
>for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
>Englanders present named their homes?
>
remarkably easy to do: my house has a side door with a name, as a result
of an accident, and now we can't get shot of it. The door gets letters
from the local Council asking it to register to vote, and things like
that. We've made a mutually satisfactory arrangement with the postman
that he won't try to deliver to that door, and we won't complain that he
doesn't. All letters now come to our front door willy-nilly, and I bin
the duplicates.
--
Paul
Joe Fineman
Nov 10, 2014, 7:04:12 PM11/10/14
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Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> writes:
> Something I forgot when I posted just now. In Highland Scotland street
> numbers tend not to exist; the whole village is numbered regardless of
> which road the house in. We've had four lovely holidays (AmE
> vacations) in a cottage whose address was 18 Anaheilt.
I gather that in Japan, cities are divided into small zones, within
> Something I forgot when I posted just now. In Highland Scotland street
> numbers tend not to exist; the whole village is numbered regardless of
> which road the house in. We've had four lovely holidays (AmE
> vacations) in a cottage whose address was 18 Anaheilt.
which the buildings are numbered in the order in which they were built.
You give the taxi driver a card your sought-after host has provided you,
and the driver figures out his route from an inscrutable diagram on the
back.
In Cambridge, MA, USA, the church at the corner of Massachusetts Avenue
& Church Street is numbered 0 Church Street. I suppose at the time the
other buildings got numbered, it did not occur to anyone to include the
church in the sequence.
--
--- Joe Fineman jo...@verizon.net
||: Lick the knife clean before you stick it back in the :||
||: butter. :||
Peter Moylan
Nov 10, 2014, 8:20:11 PM11/10/14
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On 11/11/14 09:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
> share a post code.>
A rather elegant eggcorn. Was it intended? Indeed, a newsgroup might
> <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
> share a post code.>
benefit from a mechanism that queued up topics for later discussion.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Peter Moylan
Nov 10, 2014, 8:22:31 PM11/10/14
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On 11/11/14 04:05, Charles Bishop wrote:
> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> Englanders present named their homes?
The house across the road from me is called "Thistle Do". I myself have
> I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> Englanders present named their homes?
never lived in a named house.
David Kleinecke
Nov 10, 2014, 8:46:31 PM11/10/14
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called Montecito named "Costa del Mar". In 1925 when the house was built
it was just across the road from the ocean and the lot included the shore
line. The house was in pretty bad condition when I lived there and I fear
I didn't help much. I did buy a small bronze plaque with "Costa del Mar"
over 1925 and mount it on the front door. Meanwhile the road had turned
into a freeway and the beach property sold off. The front door was almost
useless because the freeway was about twenty feet away and separated by
a huge hedge. The garden, which had been quit elegant, was in complete
collapse. However the house seems to found a prosperous owners and the
last time I saw it it had been completely restored to its old glory. And
the plaque was still there.
One feature of the house I did not understand was what looked like a
ballroom but had electric outlets in the floor. Can any one explain
that? A banquet hall?
snide...@gmail.com
Nov 10, 2014, 8:54:49 PM11/10/14
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On Monday, November 10, 2014 5:22:31 PM UTC-8, Peter Moylan wrote:
this Newport was in Oregon, you can count on the cottage having a number.
There were something like 4 houses on the west side of the street, and on my
aunt's side there were 3 houses after you got past the back of a store that
faced the cross street. I think if you went past the cliff, you were on a
street with a different name.
Whoops, just checked GM, and my memory was 45% correct ... or the houses had
puppies. And the street name continued past the cliff.
/dps
/dps
Steve Hayes
Nov 10, 2014, 10:37:50 PM11/10/14
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:20:08 +1100, Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>On 11/11/14 09:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
>> share a post code.>
>
>A rather elegant eggcorn. Was it intended? Indeed, a newsgroup might
>benefit from a mechanism that queued up topics for later discussion.
A good way of dealing with mute points.
>On 11/11/14 09:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
>> share a post code.>
>
>A rather elegant eggcorn. Was it intended? Indeed, a newsgroup might
>benefit from a mechanism that queued up topics for later discussion.
Charles Bishop
Nov 10, 2014, 10:48:44 PM11/10/14
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In article <cda714de-d097-41cf...@googlegroups.com>,
David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
the "middle" of the room, next to a couch or chair perhaps.
--
charles
David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
> I lived for a while in a house in the upscale suburb of Santa Barbara
> called Montecito named "Costa del Mar"[sbip]
> I lived for a while in a house in the upscale suburb of Santa Barbara
>
> One feature of the house I did not understand was what looked like a
> ballroom but had electric outlets in the floor. Can any one explain
> that? A banquet hall?
Possibly, how big was the room? However, they usually are for tables in
> One feature of the house I did not understand was what looked like a
> ballroom but had electric outlets in the floor. Can any one explain
> that? A banquet hall?
the "middle" of the room, next to a couch or chair perhaps.
--
charles
Charles Bishop
Nov 10, 2014, 11:03:26 PM11/10/14
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In article <m3rfhh$cm5$1...@dont-email.me>,
delivery to the door of the house is not unusual and your inclusion of
"still" makes me think it is unusual there, somewhat.
My father lives where there are mailboxes on a common post for several
homes. However since he is older, the mailperson delivers to the house,
and would for anyone else that needed it.
--
charles
James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I grew up in a house that was built from prefabricated on a road called
> Dunnollie Rd in the Scottish Highlands that did not have numbers. My
> father liked the fact that the house was covered with Red Cedar shakes
> and called it "The Cedars" and it is still called that that 60 years
> later and mail is still delivered to the door.
What does "mail is delivered to the door" mean? I ask because here
>
> I grew up in a house that was built from prefabricated on a road called
> Dunnollie Rd in the Scottish Highlands that did not have numbers. My
> father liked the fact that the house was covered with Red Cedar shakes
> and called it "The Cedars" and it is still called that that 60 years
> later and mail is still delivered to the door.
delivery to the door of the house is not unusual and your inclusion of
"still" makes me think it is unusual there, somewhat.
My father lives where there are mailboxes on a common post for several
homes. However since he is older, the mailperson delivers to the house,
and would for anyone else that needed it.
--
charles
Peter T. Daniels
Nov 10, 2014, 11:30:14 PM11/10/14
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On Monday, November 10, 2014 11:03:26 PM UTC-5, Charles Bishop wrote:
> My father lives where there are mailboxes on a common post for several
> homes. However since he is older, the mailperson delivers to the house,
> and would for anyone else that needed it.
Officially, "lettercarrier" (or maybe two words)
> My father lives where there are mailboxes on a common post for several
> homes. However since he is older, the mailperson delivers to the house,
> and would for anyone else that needed it.
Tony Cooper
Nov 10, 2014, 11:59:39 PM11/10/14
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the yard (garden, to some) that is remarkable enough to use.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Dr Nick
Nov 11, 2014, 2:27:03 AM11/11/14
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shows that it is not the only one with that number and I expect there
are hundreds of "Old Post Office"s and "Old Forge"s around the country.
It also has a number.
If you look in Kelly's Directory for the 1950s then the houses either
side are given their current numbers (2-less and 2-more) but it is just
listed as "Post Office Automatic Exchange".
You don't need the name for postal purposes. OTOH someone did once send
us something addressed to the name and village and it got delivered.
But that was a good postman rather than something there's any guarantee
of working.
Peter Young
Nov 11, 2014, 3:05:52 AM11/11/14
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addressed merely to "Elgar, England", and he lived to see this happen.
The present Royal Mail wouldn't do that!
Another story: my Father kept the envelope of a letter addressed to
his Cambridge (England) University department from somewhere in the
USA, correctly addressed apart from the missing "England". It bore
evidence of having done the rounds of quite a few American cities
called Cambridge, and finally someone had written "Try England".
Peter Young
Nov 11, 2014, 3:05:52 AM11/11/14
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On 11 Nov 2014 Dr Nick <nosp...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
> Katy Jennison <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> writes:
>> On 10/11/2014 20:40, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>
>>> My house had a name when I moved in. The previous owner explained that
>>> he and his wife had named it. They had given the same name to every
>>> house they had lived in. It was "Cotegreen".
>>
>> Goodness. So the country could be littered with houses all of the
>> same name.
> My house came with a name - "The Old Telephone Exchange". Googling
> shows that it is not the only one with that number and I expect there
> are hundreds of "Old Post Office"s and "Old Forge"s around the country.
"The Old Forge" seems to me to be a popular name for an antiques shop.
> Katy Jennison <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> writes:
>> On 10/11/2014 20:40, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>
>>> My house had a name when I moved in. The previous owner explained that
>>> he and his wife had named it. They had given the same name to every
>>> house they had lived in. It was "Cotegreen".
>>
>> Goodness. So the country could be littered with houses all of the
>> same name.
> My house came with a name - "The Old Telephone Exchange". Googling
> shows that it is not the only one with that number and I expect there
> are hundreds of "Old Post Office"s and "Old Forge"s around the country.
Appropriate in some cases, perhaps.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Nov 11, 2014, 3:52:33 AM11/11/14
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On 2014-11-10 21:03:22 +0000, David D S said:
> [ … ]
> I often hoped there would be a house in Crawley called "Creepy".
Around 1960 there was a politician called Crawley for whom the nickname
Creepy was used by people who didn't like him.
I seem to recall that despite being a Conservative he made a proposal
that all rail travel in the UK should be free (either that or a modest
sum as a flat rate -- 4/6 seems to stick in my memory: that would be
about 23 p when decimalized). It might have been interesting to see how
many things would have developed if this had been adopted.
--
athel
> [ … ]
> I often hoped there would be a house in Crawley called "Creepy".
Creepy was used by people who didn't like him.
I seem to recall that despite being a Conservative he made a proposal
that all rail travel in the UK should be free (either that or a modest
sum as a flat rate -- 4/6 seems to stick in my memory: that would be
about 23 p when decimalized). It might have been interesting to see how
many things would have developed if this had been adopted.
--
athel
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Nov 11, 2014, 3:54:10 AM11/11/14
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it it's useful to know that it's across the road from No 26.
--
athel
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Nov 11, 2014, 4:04:12 AM11/11/14
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On 2014-11-11 08:02:34 +0000, Peter Young said:
> [ … ]
> An ambition of the composer Elgar was to receive a letter from abroad
> addressed merely to "Elgar, England", and he lived to see this happen.
>
> The present Royal Mail wouldn't do that!
>
> Another story: my Father kept the envelope of a letter addressed to
> his Cambridge (England) University department from somewhere in the
> USA, correctly addressed apart from the missing "England". It bore
> evidence of having done the rounds of quite a few American cities
> called Cambridge, and finally someone had written "Try England".
The first house we had in Birmingham had a postcode of B31 1ND. More
than once, letters from California arrived with markings indicating
that they had come via Indianapolis. More mysteriously, we once had a
letter marked "miss-sent to Wake". I don't suppose a great many letters
get sent to Wake, but presumably that day one did and ours got put in
the same bin.
--
athel
> [ … ]
> An ambition of the composer Elgar was to receive a letter from abroad
> addressed merely to "Elgar, England", and he lived to see this happen.
>
> The present Royal Mail wouldn't do that!
>
> Another story: my Father kept the envelope of a letter addressed to
> his Cambridge (England) University department from somewhere in the
> USA, correctly addressed apart from the missing "England". It bore
> evidence of having done the rounds of quite a few American cities
> called Cambridge, and finally someone had written "Try England".
than once, letters from California arrived with markings indicating
that they had come via Indianapolis. More mysteriously, we once had a
letter marked "miss-sent to Wake". I don't suppose a great many letters
get sent to Wake, but presumably that day one did and ours got put in
the same bin.
--
athel
Ross
Nov 11, 2014, 4:13:35 AM11/11/14
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On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:04:12 PM UTC+13, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2014-11-11 08:02:34 +0000, Peter Young said:
>
> > [ ... ]
> On 2014-11-11 08:02:34 +0000, Peter Young said:
>
I can't get "B31 1ND" out of it nohow.
Richard Tobin
Nov 11, 2014, 5:05:03 AM11/11/14
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In article <cce1o8...@mid.individual.net>,
-- Richard
Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>The first house we had in Birmingham had a postcode of B31 1ND.
Hmm, I once lived within a mile of there.
>The first house we had in Birmingham had a postcode of B31 1ND.
-- Richard
charles
Nov 11, 2014, 5:30:25 AM11/11/14
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In article <566ec9645...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
had forgotten to put Edinburgh in the address. Luckily, the road was
Murrayfield Gardens - perhaps the Post Office had a rugby supporter among
its staff.
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 10 Nov 2014 spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
> > On Monday, November 10, 2014 5:05:35 PM UTC, Charles Bishop wrote:
> >> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> >> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> >> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> >> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> >> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> >> remember who lived where.
> > "the ideal U-address is PQR where P is a place-name, Q a describer,
> > and R the name of a county, as 'Shirwell Hall, Salop'"
> > 'Upper-Class English Usage' 1954 by Alan Ross, Professor of
> > Linguistics at Birmingham University. / 'U and non-U' 1956.
> An ambition of the composer Elgar was to receive a letter from abroad
> addressed merely to "Elgar, England", and he lived to see this happen.
> The present Royal Mail wouldn't do that!
> Another story: my Father kept the envelope of a letter addressed to
> his Cambridge (England) University department from somewhere in the
> USA, correctly addressed apart from the missing "England". It bore
> evidence of having done the rounds of quite a few American cities
> called Cambridge, and finally someone had written "Try England".
as a child I remember a Christmas parcel arriving in January; the sender
> On 10 Nov 2014 spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
> > On Monday, November 10, 2014 5:05:35 PM UTC, Charles Bishop wrote:
> >> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> >> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> >> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> >> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> >> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> >> remember who lived where.
> > "the ideal U-address is PQR where P is a place-name, Q a describer,
> > and R the name of a county, as 'Shirwell Hall, Salop'"
> > 'Upper-Class English Usage' 1954 by Alan Ross, Professor of
> > Linguistics at Birmingham University. / 'U and non-U' 1956.
> An ambition of the composer Elgar was to receive a letter from abroad
> addressed merely to "Elgar, England", and he lived to see this happen.
> The present Royal Mail wouldn't do that!
> Another story: my Father kept the envelope of a letter addressed to
> his Cambridge (England) University department from somewhere in the
> USA, correctly addressed apart from the missing "England". It bore
> evidence of having done the rounds of quite a few American cities
> called Cambridge, and finally someone had written "Try England".
had forgotten to put Edinburgh in the address. Luckily, the road was
Murrayfield Gardens - perhaps the Post Office had a rugby supporter among
its staff.
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
CT
Nov 11, 2014, 5:36:52 AM11/11/14
to
Peter Young wrote:
> No the mail goes to the door. The number means house number 18 in the
> village of Anaheilt. This pattern is all over the Highlands, or at
> least the Western Highlands, which I know best.
I wonder if one posted a letter to "No 1, London" whether it would get
> No the mail goes to the door. The number means house number 18 in the
> village of Anaheilt. This pattern is all over the Highlands, or at
> least the Western Highlands, which I know best.
to the expected place. It's not the official address but then one does
read of letters sent to vague, descriptive addresses and arriving.
--
Chris
Bertel Lund Hansen
Nov 11, 2014, 5:50:20 AM11/11/14
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CT skrev:
> I wonder if one posted a letter to "No 1, London" whether it would get
> to the expected place. It's not the official address but then one does
> read of letters sent to vague, descriptive addresses and arriving.
In the days when our postal service was a department of the
state, they had a unit who dealt with difficult addresses, and
they were proud to report that they got 99,9 % of the letters
sent to the correct recipient. People would challenge them and
write with gothic letters or even some of the special German
handwritings, but there were of course also honest examples among
them.
I presume that this unit has disappeared long ago in the name of
[insert your favourite buzzword here].
--
Bertel, Denmark
> I wonder if one posted a letter to "No 1, London" whether it would get
> to the expected place. It's not the official address but then one does
> read of letters sent to vague, descriptive addresses and arriving.
state, they had a unit who dealt with difficult addresses, and
they were proud to report that they got 99,9 % of the letters
sent to the correct recipient. People would challenge them and
write with gothic letters or even some of the special German
handwritings, but there were of course also honest examples among
them.
I presume that this unit has disappeared long ago in the name of
[insert your favourite buzzword here].
--
Bertel, Denmark
Mike Barnes
Nov 11, 2014, 6:00:47 AM11/11/14
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Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> CT skrev:
>
>> I wonder if one posted a letter to "No 1, London" whether it would get
>> to the expected place. It's not the official address but then one does
>> read of letters sent to vague, descriptive addresses and arriving.
>
> In the days when our postal service was a department of the
> state, they had a unit who dealt with difficult addresses, and
> they were proud to report that they got 99,9 % of the letters
> sent to the correct recipient. People would challenge them and
> write with gothic letters or even some of the special German
> handwritings, but there were of course also honest examples among
> them.
Another German comma? :-)
> CT skrev:
>
>> I wonder if one posted a letter to "No 1, London" whether it would get
>> to the expected place. It's not the official address but then one does
>> read of letters sent to vague, descriptive addresses and arriving.
>
> In the days when our postal service was a department of the
> state, they had a unit who dealt with difficult addresses, and
> they were proud to report that they got 99,9 % of the letters
> sent to the correct recipient. People would challenge them and
> write with gothic letters or even some of the special German
> handwritings, but there were of course also honest examples among
> them.
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Nov 11, 2014, 6:45:49 AM11/11/14
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Staves are the wooden strips that are put together to make a barrel or
cask by a Cooper.
The nameboard could be formed from a few staves.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Nov 11, 2014, 7:14:28 AM11/11/14
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simply, "Peter Duncanson, Lisburn". It arrived without noticeable delay.
The postman was also delivering something too large to fit through the
letterbox (mailslot) so he rang the doorbell. I noticed the the minimal
address on the letter and commented on it. The postman smiled and said
in a friendly voice something like "That's OK. We know where you live".
James Silverton
Nov 11, 2014, 8:55:30 AM11/11/14
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postman) delivered letters. All I really meant is that it has not been
necessary to give the house a number many years later. Mind you, I think
there only three houses on the street even now.
--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
Extraneous "not." in Reply To.
James Silverton
Nov 11, 2014, 9:09:28 AM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 3:02 AM, Peter Young wrote:
> On 10 Nov 2014 spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 10, 2014 5:05:35 PM UTC, Charles Bishop wrote:
>>> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
>>> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
>>> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
>>> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
>>> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
>>> remember who lived where.
>
>
>> "the ideal U-address is PQR where P is a place-name, Q a describer,
>> and R the name of a county, as 'Shirwell Hall, Salop'"
>
>> 'Upper-Class English Usage' 1954 by Alan Ross, Professor of
>> Linguistics at Birmingham University. / 'U and non-U' 1956.
>
> An ambition of the composer Elgar was to receive a letter from abroad
> addressed merely to "Elgar, England", and he lived to see this happen.
>
> The present Royal Mail wouldn't do that!
>
> Another story: my Father kept the envelope of a letter addressed to
> his Cambridge (England) University department from somewhere in the
> USA, correctly addressed apart from the missing "England". It bore
> evidence of having done the rounds of quite a few American cities
> called Cambridge, and finally someone had written "Try England".
>
> Peter.
>
I don't know whether British Post Codes are as specific but the eleven
> On 10 Nov 2014 spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 10, 2014 5:05:35 PM UTC, Charles Bishop wrote:
>>> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
>>> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
>>> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
>>> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
>>> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
>>> remember who lived where.
>
>
>> "the ideal U-address is PQR where P is a place-name, Q a describer,
>> and R the name of a county, as 'Shirwell Hall, Salop'"
>
>> 'Upper-Class English Usage' 1954 by Alan Ross, Professor of
>> Linguistics at Birmingham University. / 'U and non-U' 1956.
>
> An ambition of the composer Elgar was to receive a letter from abroad
> addressed merely to "Elgar, England", and he lived to see this happen.
>
> The present Royal Mail wouldn't do that!
>
> Another story: my Father kept the envelope of a letter addressed to
> his Cambridge (England) University department from somewhere in the
> USA, correctly addressed apart from the missing "England". It bore
> evidence of having done the rounds of quite a few American cities
> called Cambridge, and finally someone had written "Try England".
>
> Peter.
>
digit ZIP code, sometimes added as a bar code, is unique to my house.
The usual nine digit ZIP code will specify a block of houses and would
be written like 20857-1236. The eleven digit code would be 20857-1236-09
and, as it happens, my house number is 8609. With city apartment blocks,
the ZIP code would only specify the building.
Don't bother trying the examples of ZIP codes; they are not my real ones.
the Omrud
Nov 11, 2014, 9:18:21 AM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 14:09, James Silverton wrote:
> I don't know whether British Post Codes are as specific but the eleven
> digit ZIP code, sometimes added as a bar code, is unique to my house.
> The usual nine digit ZIP code will specify a block of houses and would
> be written like 20857-1236. The eleven digit code would be 20857-1236-09
> and, as it happens, my house number is 8609. With city apartment blocks,
> the ZIP code would only specify the building.
UK postcodes typically identify a single (medium to large) business, or
> I don't know whether British Post Codes are as specific but the eleven
> digit ZIP code, sometimes added as a bar code, is unique to my house.
> The usual nine digit ZIP code will specify a block of houses and would
> be written like 20857-1236. The eleven digit code would be 20857-1236-09
> and, as it happens, my house number is 8609. With city apartment blocks,
> the ZIP code would only specify the building.
around 10 - 30 residential addresses. So the combination of a house
number and postcode is enough to identify a single house.
--
David
Whiskers
Nov 11, 2014, 9:31:36 AM11/11/14
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On 2014-11-10, Don Phillipson <e9...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
> "Athel Cornish-Bowden" <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote in message
> news:ccccoq...@mid.individual.net...
>
>> However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I don't
>> think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never discovered
>> what it was.
>
> My grandparents' address in 1940 was simply Yellowbois, Cranbrook,
> Kent. Cranbrook then had a population of (est.) 5,000 (and they liked
> marmalade cats.) Everyone called their road the Hawkhurst Road
> because it went to the next town, thus named, but I remember no signs.
Signs were removed as a wartime precaution (confuse any invaders,
supposedly).
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
> "Athel Cornish-Bowden" <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote in message
> news:ccccoq...@mid.individual.net...
>
>> However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I don't
>> think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never discovered
>> what it was.
>
> My grandparents' address in 1940 was simply Yellowbois, Cranbrook,
> Kent. Cranbrook then had a population of (est.) 5,000 (and they liked
> marmalade cats.) Everyone called their road the Hawkhurst Road
> because it went to the next town, thus named, but I remember no signs.
Signs were removed as a wartime precaution (confuse any invaders,
supposedly).
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
David D S
Nov 11, 2014, 9:55:07 AM11/11/14
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and for years afterwards on the Travelling Post Office between
London and Holyhead on the "Irish Mail train". It was all back in the
50s and 60s when attitudes were rather different then. He told me
that although they weren't told to do so, it was often a matter of
professionalism and pride on the part of the sorters to discover
and correctly send on letters that were minimally addressed as
quickly as possible, though sometimes delays happened for
very tricky ones, and a few were never sorted out.
They also had people who dealt with letters before Christmas that
had obviously been written to "Santa Claus" or "Father Christmas"
and posted in letter boxes by small children. They always tried to
find out, as best they could, who had written them and then often
took their own time to write a short reply that was delivered without
any official noticing that it was done at no paid cost. I think this was
formalised much later on.
--
David D S: UK and PR China. (Native BrEng speaker)
Use Reply-To header for email. This email address will be
valid for at least 2 weeks from 2014/11/11 22:47:43
David D S
Nov 11, 2014, 9:57:41 AM11/11/14
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they got slightly lost when cycling from Haslington (near Crewe) to
Rhyl during the war. No road signs were present, and a woman who they
asked for directions pronptly reported them to the police (as they were
all really advised to do, my mother told us).
--
David D S: UK and PR China. (Native BrEng speaker)
Use Reply-To header for email. This email address will be
Peter T. Daniels
Nov 11, 2014, 10:09:13 AM11/11/14
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off a very long preposed prepositional phrase, and the second one joins
the two parts of a compound sentence. The third one does the same.
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Nov 11, 2014, 10:55:16 AM11/11/14
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On 11 Nov 2014 14:55:03 GMT, "David D S" <inv...@m-invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Yes. The Royal Mail acts as a proxy for Santa Claus. The address is
Santa/Father Christmas
Santa’s Grotto
Reindeerland
XM4 5HQ
http://www.royalmail.com/letters-to-santa
Thinks... I know where that is, but I wonder whether Google Maps does?
No.
It is in Belfast. The National Return Letter Centre is the centralised
facility that deals with "undeliverable mail". A small section of it
replies to mail addressed to Santa.
Undeliverable mail is sometimes called "dead letter" mail. The large
building that houses the "dead letter mail" facility, among others, has
its front entrance on Tomb Street.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/royal-mail-national-returns-centre-1713249
wrote:
Santa/Father Christmas
Santa’s Grotto
Reindeerland
XM4 5HQ
http://www.royalmail.com/letters-to-santa
Thinks... I know where that is, but I wonder whether Google Maps does?
No.
It is in Belfast. The National Return Letter Centre is the centralised
facility that deals with "undeliverable mail". A small section of it
replies to mail addressed to Santa.
Undeliverable mail is sometimes called "dead letter" mail. The large
building that houses the "dead letter mail" facility, among others, has
its front entrance on Tomb Street.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/royal-mail-national-returns-centre-1713249
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Nov 11, 2014, 11:03:09 AM11/11/14
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 14:18:19 +0000, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com>
wrote:
My daughter used to live in a rural area where her postcode was shared
by just one other house. There seems to be a limit to the area that a
postcode can cover.
wrote:
by just one other house. There seems to be a limit to the area that a
postcode can cover.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Nov 11, 2014, 11:06:10 AM11/11/14
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--
athel
James Hogg
Nov 11, 2014, 11:11:48 AM11/11/14
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--
James
Charles Bishop
Nov 11, 2014, 11:37:36 AM11/11/14
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In article <quu36ahqisfkdef7i...@4ax.com>,
Where did the letter come from?
There were stories, in my youth of such letters, and more. A letter was
mailed and delivered to Mad Magazine with nothing for the address except
a picture (cut from magazine, I think) of Alfred E. Newman.
There are other examples, none of which come to mind now.
--
charles
There were stories, in my youth of such letters, and more. A letter was
mailed and delivered to Mad Magazine with nothing for the address except
a picture (cut from magazine, I think) of Alfred E. Newman.
There are other examples, none of which come to mind now.
--
charles
Steve Hayes
Nov 11, 2014, 11:41:34 AM11/11/14
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--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Charles Bishop
Nov 11, 2014, 11:42:48 AM11/11/14
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In article <xn0j9faalejm000...@news.individual.net>,
the same time period. Effort was spent trying to find the person the
letter was addressed to sometimes unofficially. I think there were
people who were exceptionally good at reading others' handwriting.
There are still stories of letters that are found behind a sorting
machine, say, and delivered 30 years after it was mailed, though I don't
remember the last time I heard such.
Such letters have been the plot of some fiction as well.
I don't know how extensive the "dead letter office" of the post office
is now or how much trouble they go to.
--
chalres
"David D S" <inv...@m-invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
[snip]
> Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
> >
> > The town in my address is Lisburn. I once received a letter adressed
> > simply, "Peter Duncanson, Lisburn". It arrived without noticeable
> > delay. The postman was also delivering something too large to fit
> > through the letterbox (mailslot) so he rang the doorbell. I noticed
> > the the minimal address on the letter and commented on it. The
> > postman smiled and said in a friendly voice something like "That's
> > OK. We know where you live".
>
> My father worked for many years in the postal sorting office in Crewe,
> and for years afterwards on the Travelling Post Office between
> London and Holyhead on the "Irish Mail train". It was all back in the
> 50s and 60s when attitudes were rather different then. He told me
> that although they weren't told to do so, it was often a matter of
> professionalism and pride on the part of the sorters to discover
> and correctly send on letters that were minimally addressed as
> quickly as possible, though sometimes delays happened for
> very tricky ones, and a few were never sorted out.
>
> They also had people who dealt with letters before Christmas that
> had obviously been written to "Santa Claus" or "Father Christmas"
> and posted in letter boxes by small children. They always tried to
> find out, as best they could, who had written them and then often
> took their own time to write a short reply that was delivered without
> any official noticing that it was done at no paid cost. I think this was
> formalised much later on.
This matches stories I've heard of the US post office for approximately
> > The town in my address is Lisburn. I once received a letter adressed
> > simply, "Peter Duncanson, Lisburn". It arrived without noticeable
> > delay. The postman was also delivering something too large to fit
> > through the letterbox (mailslot) so he rang the doorbell. I noticed
> > the the minimal address on the letter and commented on it. The
> > postman smiled and said in a friendly voice something like "That's
> > OK. We know where you live".
>
> My father worked for many years in the postal sorting office in Crewe,
> and for years afterwards on the Travelling Post Office between
> London and Holyhead on the "Irish Mail train". It was all back in the
> 50s and 60s when attitudes were rather different then. He told me
> that although they weren't told to do so, it was often a matter of
> professionalism and pride on the part of the sorters to discover
> and correctly send on letters that were minimally addressed as
> quickly as possible, though sometimes delays happened for
> very tricky ones, and a few were never sorted out.
>
> They also had people who dealt with letters before Christmas that
> had obviously been written to "Santa Claus" or "Father Christmas"
> and posted in letter boxes by small children. They always tried to
> find out, as best they could, who had written them and then often
> took their own time to write a short reply that was delivered without
> any official noticing that it was done at no paid cost. I think this was
> formalised much later on.
the same time period. Effort was spent trying to find the person the
letter was addressed to sometimes unofficially. I think there were
people who were exceptionally good at reading others' handwriting.
There are still stories of letters that are found behind a sorting
machine, say, and delivered 30 years after it was mailed, though I don't
remember the last time I heard such.
Such letters have been the plot of some fiction as well.
I don't know how extensive the "dead letter office" of the post office
is now or how much trouble they go to.
--
chalres
Charles Bishop
Nov 11, 2014, 11:58:52 AM11/11/14
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In article <na136ad6940o44j42...@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:20:08 +1100, Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote:
> >benefit from a mechanism that queued up topics for later discussion.
>
> A good way of dealing with mute points.
Or moo points.
--
charles, Joey izzat you?
Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:20:08 +1100, Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>
> >On 11/11/14 09:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >
> >> <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
> >> share a post code.>
> >
> >A rather elegant eggcorn. Was it intended? Indeed, a newsgroup might
> >On 11/11/14 09:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >
> >> <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
> >> share a post code.>
> >
> >benefit from a mechanism that queued up topics for later discussion.
>
> A good way of dealing with mute points.
Or moo points.
--
charles, Joey izzat you?
Mike Barnes
Nov 11, 2014, 12:18:46 PM11/11/14
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road, I believe. That was a simple way of ensuring the precision of the
postcode and number combination.
Mike Barnes
Nov 11, 2014, 12:18:48 PM11/11/14
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Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> The town in my address is Lisburn. I once received a letter adressed
> simply, "Peter Duncanson, Lisburn". It arrived without noticeable delay.
> The postman was also delivering something too large to fit through the
> letterbox (mailslot) so he rang the doorbell. I noticed the the minimal
> address on the letter and commented on it. The postman smiled and said
> in a friendly voice something like "That's OK. We know where you live".
A letter was delivered here at home, addressed to SWMBO. Nothing odd
> The town in my address is Lisburn. I once received a letter adressed
> simply, "Peter Duncanson, Lisburn". It arrived without noticeable delay.
> The postman was also delivering something too large to fit through the
> letterbox (mailslot) so he rang the doorbell. I noticed the the minimal
> address on the letter and commented on it. The postman smiled and said
> in a friendly voice something like "That's OK. We know where you live".
about that except that it was actually addressed to her office, which is
some five miles distant. We never did work that one out.
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Nov 11, 2014, 1:10:55 PM11/11/14
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Peter T. Daniels
Nov 11, 2014, 2:33:57 PM11/11/14
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There's a village in Alaska, not particularly near the North Pole,
called "North Pole," and that postmark can be used for letters
_from_ Santa.
Peter T. Daniels
Nov 11, 2014, 2:35:27 PM11/11/14
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was referring to?
Sam Plusnet
Nov 11, 2014, 3:36:14 PM11/11/14
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In article <m3ro7u$7di$2...@dont-email.me>, pe...@pmoylan.org says...
I was vaguely thinking of the phrase "Form an orderly queue" and it
must have sneaked in when I wasn't looking.
> Indeed, a newsgroup might
> benefit from a mechanism that queued up topics for later discussion.
Anarchy is a poor system at best; the only thing that can honestly be
said in its favor is that it is eight times as good as any other method
that AUE has ever tried.
(Appols to RAH)
--
Sam
>
> On 11/11/14 09:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
> > <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
> > share a post code.>
>
> A rather elegant eggcorn. Was it intended?
Not entirely.
> On 11/11/14 09:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
> > <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
> > share a post code.>
>
> A rather elegant eggcorn. Was it intended?
I was vaguely thinking of the phrase "Form an orderly queue" and it
must have sneaked in when I wasn't looking.
> Indeed, a newsgroup might
> benefit from a mechanism that queued up topics for later discussion.
said in its favor is that it is eight times as good as any other method
that AUE has ever tried.
(Appols to RAH)
--
Sam
Sam Plusnet
Nov 11, 2014, 3:39:03 PM11/11/14
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In article <cce15e...@mid.individual.net>, acor...@imm.cnrs.fr
says...
>
> On 2014-11-10 22:16:02 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:
>
> > In article <m3r8m5$vao$2...@news.albasani.net>, ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 10/11/2014 20:40, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> >>
> >>> My house had a name when I moved in. The previous owner explained that
> >>> he and his wife had named it. They had given the same name to every
> >>> house they had lived in. It was "Cotegreen".
> >>
> >> Goodness. So the country could be littered with houses all of the same
> >> name.
> >
> > Yes, but there are also Post Codes.
> > Generally something like 6 addresses share a post code, so that makes
> > things much easier.
> > in finding the house due to the eccentric nature of the numbering
> > 'system'.
> >
> > The houses on either side of us do not have any street numbers only
> > names, & the houses on the opposite side of the street have only
> > numbers, but these form an entirely different sequence.
>
> My sister lives at No 15, but it's not very plainly marked, and to find
> it it's useful to know that it's across the road from No 26.
Far too easy.
Our assigned house number is a single digit. The houses opposite have
numbers in the region of 178, 180 etc.
--
Sam
says...
>
> On 2014-11-10 22:16:02 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:
>
> > In article <m3r8m5$vao$2...@news.albasani.net>, ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 10/11/2014 20:40, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> >>
> >>> My house had a name when I moved in. The previous owner explained that
> >>> he and his wife had named it. They had given the same name to every
> >>> house they had lived in. It was "Cotegreen".
> >>
> >> Goodness. So the country could be littered with houses all of the same
> >> name.
> >
> > Yes, but there are also Post Codes.
> > Generally something like 6 addresses share a post code, so that makes
> > things much easier.
> >
> > <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
> > share a post code.>
> >
> > Our house has both a name and a number. The number is however of no use
> > <Queue discussion of circumstances where many more or fewer addresses
> > share a post code.>
> >
> > in finding the house due to the eccentric nature of the numbering
> > 'system'.
> >
> > The houses on either side of us do not have any street numbers only
> > names, & the houses on the opposite side of the street have only
> > numbers, but these form an entirely different sequence.
>
> My sister lives at No 15, but it's not very plainly marked, and to find
> it it's useful to know that it's across the road from No 26.
Far too easy.
Our assigned house number is a single digit. The houses opposite have
numbers in the region of 178, 180 etc.
--
Sam
Sam Plusnet
Nov 11, 2014, 3:45:24 PM11/11/14
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In article <WhKpG5ag...@wolff.co.uk>, boun...@two.wolff.co.uk
says...
> New houses get new names, if they're not in a numbered street. It's
> remarkably easy to do: my house has a side door with a name, as a result
> of an accident, and now we can't get shot of it. The door gets letters
> from the local Council asking it to register to vote, and things like
> that. We've made a mutually satisfactory arrangement with the postman
> that he won't try to deliver to that door, and we won't complain that he
> doesn't. All letters now come to our front door willy-nilly, and I bin
> the duplicates.
>
>
Do you get demands for two lots of Council Tax?
I imagine it could take years to resolve that.
--
Sam
says...
> New houses get new names, if they're not in a numbered street. It's
> remarkably easy to do: my house has a side door with a name, as a result
> of an accident, and now we can't get shot of it. The door gets letters
> from the local Council asking it to register to vote, and things like
> that. We've made a mutually satisfactory arrangement with the postman
> that he won't try to deliver to that door, and we won't complain that he
> doesn't. All letters now come to our front door willy-nilly, and I bin
> the duplicates.
>
>
Do you get demands for two lots of Council Tax?
I imagine it could take years to resolve that.
--
Sam
James Silverton
Nov 11, 2014, 4:01:57 PM11/11/14
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British visitors often remark on the large numbers of the houses in my
suburban neighborhood but they are consistent and reflect an approximate
East-West or North-South grid. My house is 8609 and there are only
numbers to 8624. After that, the 8700's begin. My street intersects
another in a T-junction and the first house after the intersection is 10016.
snide...@gmail.com
Nov 11, 2014, 4:52:37 PM11/11/14
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On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:41:34 AM UTC-8, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:11:45 +0100, James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:00:47 AM UTC-5, Mike Barnes wrote:
> >>> Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> >>>> CT skrev:
> >>
> >>>>> I wonder if one posted a letter to "No 1, London" whether it would get
> >>>>> to the expected place. It's not the official address but then one does
> >>>>> read of letters sent to vague, descriptive addresses and arriving.
> >>>> In the days when our postal service was a department of the
> >>>> state, they had a unit who dealt with difficult addresses, and
> >>>> they were proud to report that they got 99,9 % of the letters
> >>>> sent to the correct recipient. People would challenge them and
> >>>> write with gothic letters or even some of the special German
> >>>> handwritings, but there were of course also honest examples among
> >>>> them.
> >>> Another German comma? :-)
> >>
> >> ? All the commas there are exactly corrrect. The first one separates
> >> off a very long preposed prepositional phrase, and the second one joins
> >> the two parts of a compound sentence. The third one does the same.
> >
> >What about the one in 99,9?
>
> Your point being?
Anglo-punctalism.
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:11:45 +0100, James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:00:47 AM UTC-5, Mike Barnes wrote:
> >>> Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> >>>> CT skrev:
> >>
> >>>>> I wonder if one posted a letter to "No 1, London" whether it would get
> >>>>> to the expected place. It's not the official address but then one does
> >>>>> read of letters sent to vague, descriptive addresses and arriving.
> >>>> In the days when our postal service was a department of the
> >>>> state, they had a unit who dealt with difficult addresses, and
> >>>> they were proud to report that they got 99,9 % of the letters
> >>>> sent to the correct recipient. People would challenge them and
> >>>> write with gothic letters or even some of the special German
> >>>> handwritings, but there were of course also honest examples among
> >>>> them.
> >>> Another German comma? :-)
> >>
> >> ? All the commas there are exactly corrrect. The first one separates
> >> off a very long preposed prepositional phrase, and the second one joins
> >> the two parts of a compound sentence. The third one does the same.
> >
> >What about the one in 99,9?
>
> Your point being?
Or maybe just humorous note of the sound of wings.
/dps
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Nov 11, 2014, 5:38:01 PM11/11/14
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/10494193/Who-answers-all-the-letters-sent-to-Father-Christmas.html
Paul Wolff
Nov 11, 2014, 6:12:19 PM11/11/14
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> posted:
No. I am occasionally uncomfortable at the prospect, but it can't happen
until the door is assessed for value. National political considerations
relating to house price inflation make this unlikely in the near future.
House", but that would probably herald a Pyrrhic victory at best.
--
Paul
until the door is assessed for value. National political considerations
relating to house price inflation make this unlikely in the near future.
>
>I imagine it could take years to resolve that.
Jarndyce and Jarndyce all over again. We could rename the door "Bleak
>I imagine it could take years to resolve that.
House", but that would probably herald a Pyrrhic victory at best.
--
Paul
Peter Young
Nov 11, 2014, 6:17:47 PM11/11/14
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for holidays in West Wales it takes you to a place a good mile away by
road.
Peter.
--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Re)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
Sam Plusnet
Nov 11, 2014, 6:48:11 PM11/11/14
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In article <jxy9TK5W...@wolff.co.uk>, boun...@two.wolff.co.uk
says...
authority. They all seem to have on record our correct address, with
one exception.
That department is the one which ought to get it right since it
administers Council Tax.
Instead of "ABCDEF Road" they insist we live on "ABCDEF Way".
(There is indeed an "ABCDEF Way" but it's some distance from here.)
This error has existed since 1993 & every attempt to get it corrected
has been ignored.
--
Sam
says...
> >Do you get demands for two lots of Council Tax?
>
> No. I am occasionally uncomfortable at the prospect, but it can't happen
> until the door is assessed for value. National political considerations
> relating to house price inflation make this unlikely in the near future.
> >
> >I imagine it could take years to resolve that.
>
> Jarndyce and Jarndyce all over again. We could rename the door "Bleak
> House", but that would probably herald a Pyrrhic victory at best.
>
>
We occasionally have to deal with various departments of the local
>
> No. I am occasionally uncomfortable at the prospect, but it can't happen
> until the door is assessed for value. National political considerations
> relating to house price inflation make this unlikely in the near future.
> >
> >I imagine it could take years to resolve that.
>
> Jarndyce and Jarndyce all over again. We could rename the door "Bleak
> House", but that would probably herald a Pyrrhic victory at best.
>
>
authority. They all seem to have on record our correct address, with
one exception.
That department is the one which ought to get it right since it
administers Council Tax.
Instead of "ABCDEF Road" they insist we live on "ABCDEF Way".
(There is indeed an "ABCDEF Way" but it's some distance from here.)
This error has existed since 1993 & every attempt to get it corrected
has been ignored.
--
Sam
Robert Bannister
Nov 11, 2014, 7:23:36 PM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 6:36 pm, CT wrote:
> Peter Young wrote:
>
>> No the mail goes to the door. The number means house number 18 in the
>> village of Anaheilt. This pattern is all over the Highlands, or at
>> least the Western Highlands, which I know best.
>
> I wonder if one posted a letter to "No 1, London" whether it would get
> to the expected place. It's not the official address but then one does
> read of letters sent to vague, descriptive addresses and arriving.
>
Whereas a correctly addressed letter may go wildly astray, a poorly
> Peter Young wrote:
>
>> No the mail goes to the door. The number means house number 18 in the
>> village of Anaheilt. This pattern is all over the Highlands, or at
>> least the Western Highlands, which I know best.
>
> I wonder if one posted a letter to "No 1, London" whether it would get
> to the expected place. It's not the official address but then one does
> read of letters sent to vague, descriptive addresses and arriving.
>
addressed one that has been rejected by the automatic sorter is a kind
of challenge to the postmen. When I lived in Albany, WA, I received a
postcard addressed to:
Robert Bannister
Albany
Australia
It hadn't gone via Albury, NSW.
--
Robert Bannister - 1940-71 SE England
1972-now W Australia
David Kleinecke
Nov 11, 2014, 8:48:27 PM11/11/14
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On Monday, November 10, 2014 7:48:44 PM UTC-8, Charles Bishop wrote:
> In article <cda714de-d097-41cf...@googlegroups.com>,
> David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >
> > I lived for a while in a house in the upscale suburb of Santa Barbara
> > called Montecito named "Costa del Mar"[sbip]
> >
> > One feature of the house I did not understand was what looked like a
> > ballroom but had electric outlets in the floor. Can any one explain
> > that? A banquet hall?
>
> Possibly, how big was the room? However, they usually are for tables in
> the "middle" of the room, next to a couch or chair perhaps.
>
The room is huge. Bigger than my front yard. Maybe 30v60 feet.
What are typical sizes of residential ballrooms? The only other
I remember - and it was called a ballroom - was about the same
size.
That other ballroom was in "Mrs. McCormick's townhouse". That's
Katherine McCormick who is famous enough to be subject a novel
called "Riven Rock". Riven Rock was the estate in Montecito
where Mr. McCormick (Stanley) lived as a madman. It is said that
Riven Rock sustained the entire Santa Barbara area economy during
the depression. He died in 1947 but by then the economy had
recovered.
> In article <cda714de-d097-41cf...@googlegroups.com>,
> David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >
> > I lived for a while in a house in the upscale suburb of Santa Barbara
> > called Montecito named "Costa del Mar"[sbip]
> >
> > One feature of the house I did not understand was what looked like a
> > ballroom but had electric outlets in the floor. Can any one explain
> > that? A banquet hall?
>
> Possibly, how big was the room? However, they usually are for tables in
> the "middle" of the room, next to a couch or chair perhaps.
>
The room is huge. Bigger than my front yard. Maybe 30v60 feet.
What are typical sizes of residential ballrooms? The only other
I remember - and it was called a ballroom - was about the same
size.
That other ballroom was in "Mrs. McCormick's townhouse". That's
Katherine McCormick who is famous enough to be subject a novel
called "Riven Rock". Riven Rock was the estate in Montecito
where Mr. McCormick (Stanley) lived as a madman. It is said that
Riven Rock sustained the entire Santa Barbara area economy during
the depression. He died in 1947 but by then the economy had
recovered.
Peter Moylan
Nov 11, 2014, 9:29:13 PM11/11/14
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On 11/11/14 23:14, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> The postman smiled and said in a friendly voice something like
> "That's OK. We know where you live".
I'm glad it was a friendly voice.
> The postman smiled and said in a friendly voice something like
> "That's OK. We know where you live".
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Charles Bishop
Nov 11, 2014, 10:43:25 PM11/11/14
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In article <b72aa2c3-8459-4432...@googlegroups.com>,
room wasn't used for dancing. If they are installed properly they are
flush with the flooring and wouldn't be in the way if they were
unobstructed.
Private houses of that size are foreign to me, even working in higher
end houses.
--
chalres
David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, November 10, 2014 7:48:44 PM UTC-8, Charles Bishop wrote:
> > In article <cda714de-d097-41cf...@googlegroups.com>,
> > David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > I lived for a while in a house in the upscale suburb of Santa Barbara
> > > called Montecito named "Costa del Mar"[sbip]
> > >
> > > One feature of the house I did not understand was what looked like a
> > > ballroom but had electric outlets in the floor. Can any one explain
> > > that? A banquet hall?
> >
> > Possibly, how big was the room? However, they usually are for tables in
> > the "middle" of the room, next to a couch or chair perhaps.
> >
> The room is huge. Bigger than my front yard. Maybe 30v60 feet.
In that case the outlets were probably there against possible use if the
> On Monday, November 10, 2014 7:48:44 PM UTC-8, Charles Bishop wrote:
> > In article <cda714de-d097-41cf...@googlegroups.com>,
> > David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > I lived for a while in a house in the upscale suburb of Santa Barbara
> > > called Montecito named "Costa del Mar"[sbip]
> > >
> > > One feature of the house I did not understand was what looked like a
> > > ballroom but had electric outlets in the floor. Can any one explain
> > > that? A banquet hall?
> >
> > Possibly, how big was the room? However, they usually are for tables in
> > the "middle" of the room, next to a couch or chair perhaps.
> >
> The room is huge. Bigger than my front yard. Maybe 30v60 feet.
room wasn't used for dancing. If they are installed properly they are
flush with the flooring and wouldn't be in the way if they were
unobstructed.
Private houses of that size are foreign to me, even working in higher
end houses.
--
chalres
Charles Bishop
Nov 11, 2014, 10:45:29 PM11/11/14
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In article <ccfnk5...@mid.individual.net>,
I had a kind thought for the postmen who could find you in Washington
when the card was addressed to Australia; then the penny dropped and I
was confused no longer.
--
cahrles
when the card was addressed to Australia; then the penny dropped and I
was confused no longer.
--
cahrles
J. J. Lodder
Nov 12, 2014, 3:41:38 AM11/12/14
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Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> remember who lived where.
Not just England, all of western Europe.
Numbering houses is a 19th century practice.
People just knew where houses were.
If houses did not have names the neighbours names would be used,
as in the house next to the house called...
Strangers could ask for directions,
or pay a boy to take them where they wanted to be.
This is where the 'knowledge boy' came from.
The practice persisted long after streets were numbered.
A photo book of old Rotterdam (crisis years, great poverty)
that I happened to see recently
shows cars with boys on the running board.
The caption explained that this was a local plague:
you couldn't drive there without boys jumping on your car,
offering directions, and expectinng to be paid for it.
Some drivers would give them something just to be rid of them,
Jan
> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
> remember who lived where.
Not just England, all of western Europe.
Numbering houses is a 19th century practice.
People just knew where houses were.
If houses did not have names the neighbours names would be used,
as in the house next to the house called...
Strangers could ask for directions,
or pay a boy to take them where they wanted to be.
This is where the 'knowledge boy' came from.
The practice persisted long after streets were numbered.
A photo book of old Rotterdam (crisis years, great poverty)
that I happened to see recently
shows cars with boys on the running board.
The caption explained that this was a local plague:
you couldn't drive there without boys jumping on your car,
offering directions, and expectinng to be paid for it.
Some drivers would give them something just to be rid of them,
Jan
J. J. Lodder
Nov 12, 2014, 3:41:38 AM11/12/14
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Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
> On 2014-11-10 17:05:29 +0000, Charles Bishop said:
>
> > [ … ]
>
> > I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> > usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> > for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> > Englanders present named their homes?
>
> The houses I lived in as a child had names, but the Post Office wasn't
> at all keen on them, at times ignoring them and refusing to deliver to
> addresses where no street numbers were included in the address. In two
> of the three cases I can think of there were perfectly good numbers to
> use. However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I
> don't think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never
> discovered what it was.
>
> I forget who it was, but one person who became prominent in the UK said
> in his memoirs that when he went to a very classy school (probably
> Eton), he was the only boy in his class who lived in a numbered house
> along a named street in a real city.
The French have 'lieu dit' for that.
(lit. place said)
Is here an English equivalent?
Jan
> On 2014-11-10 17:05:29 +0000, Charles Bishop said:
>
> > [ … ]
>
> > I remember other names that could be taken as humorous or puns on the
> > usual homes' names but cannot think of any now. What was the usual form
> > for homes' names and what were some of the humorous ones? Have any
> > Englanders present named their homes?
>
> The houses I lived in as a child had names, but the Post Office wasn't
> at all keen on them, at times ignoring them and refusing to deliver to
> addresses where no street numbers were included in the address. In two
> of the three cases I can think of there were perfectly good numbers to
> use. However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I
> don't think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never
> discovered what it was.
>
> I forget who it was, but one person who became prominent in the UK said
> in his memoirs that when he went to a very classy school (probably
> Eton), he was the only boy in his class who lived in a numbered house
> along a named street in a real city.
The French have 'lieu dit' for that.
(lit. place said)
Is here an English equivalent?
Jan
Paul Wolff
Nov 12, 2014, 4:49:30 AM11/12/14
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> posted:
Council Tax purposes, correcting your address could cost either you or
the Council money.
--
Paul
Stan Brown
Nov 12, 2014, 6:10:35 AM11/12/14
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:59:54 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> The houses I lived in as a child had names, but the Post Office wasn't
> at all keen on them, at times ignoring them and refusing to deliver to
> addresses where no street numbers were included in the address. In two
> of the three cases I can think of there were perfectly good numbers to
> use. However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I
> don't think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never
> discovered what it was.
WIWAL, our address was "Brown, RD5, Frederick, Maryland". We lived
> The houses I lived in as a child had names, but the Post Office wasn't
> at all keen on them, at times ignoring them and refusing to deliver to
> addresses where no street numbers were included in the address. In two
> of the three cases I can think of there were perfectly good numbers to
> use. However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I
> don't think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never
> discovered what it was.
ion farm country, perhaps five miles from the center of Frederick.
I've no idea how the postman distinguished us from other Browns on
his route.
--
"The difference between the /almost right/ word and the /right/ word
is ... the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning."
--Mark Twain
Stan Brown, Tompkins County, NY, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com
Scion
Nov 12, 2014, 9:33:49 AM11/12/14
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Mike Barnes put finger to keyboard:
> Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>> The town in my address is Lisburn. I once received a letter adressed
>> simply, "Peter Duncanson, Lisburn". It arrived without noticeable
>> delay.
>> The postman was also delivering something too large to fit through the
>> letterbox (mailslot) so he rang the doorbell. I noticed the the minimal
>> address on the letter and commented on it. The postman smiled and said
>> in a friendly voice something like "That's OK. We know where you live".
>
> A letter was delivered here at home, addressed to SWMBO.
If that's really what it was addressed to the postman should have taken it
home to his wife.
> Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>> The town in my address is Lisburn. I once received a letter adressed
>> simply, "Peter Duncanson, Lisburn". It arrived without noticeable
>> delay.
>> The postman was also delivering something too large to fit through the
>> letterbox (mailslot) so he rang the doorbell. I noticed the the minimal
>> address on the letter and commented on it. The postman smiled and said
>> in a friendly voice something like "That's OK. We know where you live".
>
> A letter was delivered here at home, addressed to SWMBO.
home to his wife.
Peter T. Daniels
Nov 12, 2014, 9:37:42 AM11/12/14
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On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:41:38 AM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > I forget who it was, but one person who became prominent in the UK said
> > in his memoirs that when he went to a very classy school (probably
> > Eton), he was the only boy in his class who lived in a numbered house
> > along a named street in a real city.
>
> The French have 'lieu dit' for that.
> (lit. place said)
> Is here an English equivalent?
For what? You talk about both houses with only names and houses with
> > I forget who it was, but one person who became prominent in the UK said
> > in his memoirs that when he went to a very classy school (probably
> > Eton), he was the only boy in his class who lived in a numbered house
> > along a named street in a real city.
>
> The French have 'lieu dit' for that.
> (lit. place said)
> Is here an English equivalent?
only street addresses.
Whiskers
Nov 12, 2014, 2:40:06 PM11/12/14
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demographic analysis or any sort of administrative purpose other than
sorting mail. They are (ab)used for all those things, and more, because
every address has one, but the results can be disconcerting especially
outside densely urban areas.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
Whiskers
Nov 12, 2014, 3:08:52 PM11/12/14
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polishing machines and vacuum cleaners.
Sam Plusnet
Nov 12, 2014, 4:12:59 PM11/12/14
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In article <oQsOJ+6R...@wolff.co.uk>, boun...@two.wolff.co.uk
says...
To the best of my knowledge there isn't one. The houses on ABCDEF Way
have names & not numbers, and our house name is certainly not duplicated
there.
Our Council Tax is fairly modest (in keeping with the house) so we have
decided to call it a draw.
--
Sam
says...
have names & not numbers, and our house name is certainly not duplicated
there.
Our Council Tax is fairly modest (in keeping with the house) so we have
decided to call it a draw.
--
Sam
Paul Wolff
Nov 12, 2014, 5:40:57 PM11/12/14
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> posted:
>In article <oQsOJ+6R...@wolff.co.uk>, boun...@two.wolff.co.uk
Everybody has won, and all must have prizes. An excellent result.
--
Dodo
>In article <oQsOJ+6R...@wolff.co.uk>, boun...@two.wolff.co.uk
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> posted:
>> >In article <jxy9TK5W...@wolff.co.uk>, boun...@two.wolff.co.uk
>> >In article <jxy9TK5W...@wolff.co.uk>, boun...@two.wolff.co.uk
--
Dodo
Robert Bannister
Nov 12, 2014, 6:40:08 PM11/12/14
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On 12/11/2014 10:29 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 11/11/14 23:14, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
>> The postman smiled and said in a friendly voice something like
>> "That's OK. We know where you live".
>
> I'm glad it was a friendly voice.
>
The horse's head on the bed is always a subtle hint.
> On 11/11/14 23:14, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
>> The postman smiled and said in a friendly voice something like
>> "That's OK. We know where you live".
>
> I'm glad it was a friendly voice.
>
Robert Bannister
Nov 12, 2014, 6:43:35 PM11/12/14
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with an address in an American state, "WA" often got me past the
watchdogs. We are a mixture here with three states having 2-letter
abbreviations, while NSW, VIC, QLD and TAS are longer. It might be an
age thing.
Bertel Lund Hansen
Nov 12, 2014, 7:24:33 PM11/12/14
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J. J. Lodder skrev:
> Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
>> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
>> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
>> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
>> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
>> remember who lived where.
>
> Not just England, all of western Europe.
> Numbering houses is a 19th century practice.
> People just knew where houses were.
Copenhagen had a register for the lots (?) where they were
numbered at least since 1689, and there were tables for
converting those numbers into street numbers (= one number for
each house).
Every normal house in Denmark has a number, and these years an
extra effort is made to make sure that all summerhouses and the
likes are numbered properly so ambulances and fire fighters do
not go wrong when called to help.
Two questions:
1 Is "lot" the right word?
2. Should it be "summerhouses and the like"?
--
Bertel, Denmark
> Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> In another thread, mention was made of houses in Carmel, CA not having
>> house numbers but names and the post office would deliver mail to them
>> even so. As far as I know this comes from a convention in England of
>> giving names to homes and the post office ditto. Probably from a time
>> when there were few houses in a village and it was not difficult to
>> remember who lived where.
>
> Not just England, all of western Europe.
> Numbering houses is a 19th century practice.
> People just knew where houses were.
numbered at least since 1689, and there were tables for
converting those numbers into street numbers (= one number for
each house).
Every normal house in Denmark has a number, and these years an
extra effort is made to make sure that all summerhouses and the
likes are numbered properly so ambulances and fire fighters do
not go wrong when called to help.
Two questions:
1 Is "lot" the right word?
2. Should it be "summerhouses and the like"?
--
Bertel, Denmark
Mike Barnes
Nov 12, 2014, 8:27:23 PM11/12/14
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and organisations think they're too important to be represented by a
mere number.
> Two questions:
> 1 Is "lot" the right word?
> 2. Should it be "summerhouses and the like"?
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
John Varela
Nov 12, 2014, 9:13:34 PM11/12/14
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:52:59 UTC, "Don Phillipson"
<e9...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
> "Athel Cornish-Bowden" <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote in message
> news:ccccoq...@mid.individual.net...
> Kent. Cranbrook then had a population of (est.) 5,000 (and they liked
> marmalade cats.) Everyone called their road the Hawkhurst Road
> because it went to the next town, thus named, but I remember no signs.
I had a college roommate whose home address was Stone House,
Taconic, Connecticut.
--
John Varela
<e9...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
> "Athel Cornish-Bowden" <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote in message
> news:ccccoq...@mid.individual.net...
>
> > However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I don't
> > think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never discovered
> > what it was.
>
> My grandparents' address in 1940 was simply Yellowbois, Cranbrook,
> > However, in one case (when my parents lived in a small village) I don't
> > think there was any number, and if the road had a name I never discovered
> > what it was.
>
> Kent. Cranbrook then had a population of (est.) 5,000 (and they liked
> marmalade cats.) Everyone called their road the Hawkhurst Road
> because it went to the next town, thus named, but I remember no signs.
I had a college roommate whose home address was Stone House,
Taconic, Connecticut.
--
John Varela
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