I am a prefessional junk emailer
Zenwolf
<linda...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Hi.
>
> My name is Linda Rowe, I am from Auckland, New Zealand and I am a
> professional junk emailer. I send out
> marketing material to people who post with their real email addresses on
> the newsgroups. I don't think there is
> any harm in this because people know that when they post their email
> address here they will get marketing
> material. They give their email address into the public domain and it is
> then free for everybody to use.
>
> Besides, you can always put it into the trash. What is the problem ?
>
> I have no problem getting marketing material. To proof that I really
> mean this, I publish my postal address here for
> everyone to use. If I don;t like what direct marketers send me I simply
> throw it into the bin ...
>
> Linda Rowe
> 39 Bernina Place
> Manurewa Auckland
> New Zealand 1072
>
> Tel: +64 9 268-6026
>
> the email address I am currently using is
>
> linda...@email.com
>
No, the email address you are posting from is linda ro...@my-deja.com
HTH
> but I may have to get a new one soon because when people report me they
> always close my account, which I
> find unfair. Why do people do that ? Why don't they simply ignore what I
> send them ? There are many others
> who are interested in what I send them, usually about 0.2%, which means
> for every 1 million email there are
> 2000 people who buy my reports and I am sure there are many more who are
> interested but do not buy
> immediately.
>
> best regards
> Linda Rowe
>
yuo aer teh natsy sapner!!
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
Brett Schulte
indicates harvesting addresses from news groups is fine and that if they
didn't want to get mail they should use a fake address:
"It boils down to this: that we're not willing nor able to moderate or
censor the results of your presence in newsgroups. If you are not
interested in emailed reactions from the newsgroup, use a invalid sender
address."
What do you think of that?
"Zenwolf" <just...@drugs.net> wrote in message
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David Raisey
The address has the wrong street number. You don't really suppose someone
would make the simple mistake of using the wrong street number in their own
address, do you? Especially when you consider how simple it was to get the
address of the nz whitepages?
If anyone has the original message they may want to LART it to the correct
ISP.
"Zenwolf" <just...@drugs.net> wrote in message
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>
linda...@my-deja.com
"Brett Schulte" <brett_...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Interestingly enough I just got an e-mail from an ISP that pretty much
> indicates harvesting addresses from news groups is fine and that if they
> didn't want to get mail they should use a fake address:
>
> "It boils down to this: that we're not willing nor able to moderate or
> censor the results of your presence in newsgroups. If you are not
> interested in emailed reactions from the newsgroup, use a invalid sender
> address."
>
> What do you think of that?
Sure that is your right, just as it is mine to make money on the
internet.
Perhaps you want to try for yourself. It really works ! All you need is
my junk email report for 25 $. order yours today from me ...
Linda Rowe
39 Bernina Place
Manurewa Auckland
New Zealand 1072
Tel: +64 9 268-6026
email: linda...@email.com
linda...@my-deja.com
"David Raisey" <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> This is probably a joe job.
>
> The address has the wrong street number. You don't really suppose someone
> would make the simple mistake of using the wrong street number in their own
> address, do you? Especially when you consider how simple it was to get the
> address of the nz whitepages?
Believe me the street number in the white pages is a misprint. The
correct address is
39 Bernina Place
Manurewa Auckland
New Zealand 1072
Also, if you don't believe that I, Linda Rowe am a genuine pro junk
emailer and proud of it, why don't you check out the newsgroup
news.admin.net-abuse.sightings. A fellow who didn't like that hI sent him
my recent marketing mail posted my entire marketing message there,
together with the email headers that proof I sent it.
What the guy didn't realise is that he did me a favour by posting my
marketing letter. Now, people on the newsgroups can order my junk-email
report for 25$ and make money like I do.
Yes, it's true they shut down email accounts once you've made a 1 million
mailing but then if you include the address in the marketing letter,
people can still get to you and order reports. For the next mailing you
simply use a new free email account.
The address however doesn't change and it is in my marketing letter.
Check it out in the newsgroup mentioned above and see for yourself.
Once you have satisfied yourself of the facts, you may wnat to try out
for yourself and order my junk email report for only 25 $ from ...
Linda Rowe
39 Bernina Place
Manurewa Auckland
New Zealand 1072
Tel: +64 9 268-6026
email: linda...@email.com
Brett Schulte
shut down? Do you have other providers ready just in case? Do you think
that some day you might run out of providers?
PLEASE ALSO POST IN NEWS.SPAMCOP.NET where you're assured a lively
response!!!
Brett
<linda...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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William
>SpamBitch wrote:
>Fuck you, you spamming bitch...
ANTHONY! SUCH LANGUAGE!!
Its not 'fuck you, you spamming bitch...'
It's 'fuck you, you GODDAMNED spamming bitch....'
When are you going to learn? /shaking head/
>Anthony "Looney" Toohey
Wm
linda...@my-deja.com
Apparently, Mr.Toohey has had a few pints too many of Toohey's lager.
At least that would explain his rudeness.
wm
<linda...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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And after reading your idiotic repetoire in some of the other posts,
all I have to say is what the fuck is your excuse?
vvvv no-surprise vvvvv
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
Wm
Squeaker
>Believe me the street number in the white pages is a misprint. The
>correct address is
>
>39 Bernina Place
>Manurewa Auckland
>New Zealand 1072
Looks more like you're in Japan to me.....
--Squeaker
Looney
Was I rude? Oh, gee, sorry, I mean, gosh-okies... At least I wasn't SPAMMING a
newsgroup. Hell, it takes a really moronic shithead to do something like
that... After all, SPAMMING is universally looked down upon by all the denizens
of newsgroups. The only people doing it are the assholes who don't actually
hang out and contribute, like Linda "I'm-a-spamming-bitch-and-I-don't-care"
Rowyerboat... How long have you been around here? Oh, just long enough to
pump your spamcrap? Why don't you take a fucking flying leap...
And believe me, if I was drinking Toohey's <looks at placard on shelf> I
wouldn't have been half this easy on you... On you go now, crawl back into the
hole you spewed from...
You may try to be proper and friendly, but in the end you're just another
fucking spammer...
Anthony "Looney" Toohey
----
The pain is gone, you are receding,
A distant ship smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves,
Your lips move, but I can't hear what you're saying
- Pink Floyd "Comfortably Numb"
linda...@my-deja.com
wilyk...@cs.comkillspam (Looney) wrote:
> SpamBitch wrote:
> >In article <cdc97tsv4hldof1k8...@4ax.com>,
> > William <aggr...@cvnc.net> wrote:
> >> No matter how hard I plugged my ears I could still hear Looney say:
> >>
> >> >SpamBitch wrote:
> >>
> >> >Fuck you, you spamming bitch...
> >>
> >> ANTHONY! SUCH LANGUAGE!!
> >>
> >> Its not 'fuck you, you spamming bitch...'
> >>
> >> It's 'fuck you, you GODDAMNED spamming bitch....'
> >>
> >> When are you going to learn? /shaking head/
> >>
> >> >Anthony "Looney" Toohey
> >
> >Apparently, Mr.Toohey has had a few pints too many of Toohey's lager.
> >At least that would explain his rudeness.
>
> Was I rude? Oh, gee, sorry, I mean, gosh-okies... At least I wasn't
Thank you for the apology. I'll accept that.
best regards
Linda Rowe
Looney
LOL! Your acceptance of a sarcastic apology is as meaningless as your spam,
and for that matter, your very existence...
You're making Used Car Salesmen look awfully good here...
Tell me, is everyone in NZ as fucking stupid as you are, or is this something
special we're witnessing?
linda...@my-deja.com
wilyk...@cs.comkillspam (Looney) wrote:
> Perfeshunal Dumschit wrot:
> >
> >In article <20010129012234...@ng-ff1.news.cs.com>,
> > wilyk...@cs.comkillspam (Looney) wrote:
> >> SpamBitch wrote:
> >> >In article <cdc97tsv4hldof1k8...@4ax.com>,
> >> > William <aggr...@cvnc.net> wrote:
> >> >> No matter how hard I plugged my ears I could still hear Looney say:
> >> >>
> >> >> >SpamBitch wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Fuck you, you spamming bitch...
> >> >>
> >> >> ANTHONY! SUCH LANGUAGE!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Its not 'fuck you, you spamming bitch...'
> >> >>
> >> >> It's 'fuck you, you GODDAMNED spamming bitch....'
> >> >>
> >> >> When are you going to learn? /shaking head/
> >> >>
> >> >> >Anthony "Looney" Toohey
> >> >
> >> >Apparently, Mr.Toohey has had a few pints too many of Toohey's lager.
> >> >At least that would explain his rudeness.
> >>
> >> Was I rude? Oh, gee, sorry, I mean, gosh-okies... At least I wasn't
> >
> >Thank you for the apology. I'll accept that.
>
> LOL! Your acceptance of a sarcastic apology is as meaningless as your
Do you mean to say you want to withdraw your apology ?
> You're making Used Car Salesmen look awfully good here...
>
> Tell me, is everyone in NZ as fucking stupid as you are, or is this something
> special we're witnessing?
I'll take this with humour. Actually, over here we make jokes about
Aussies being stupid, but I guess this is more like a form of teasing.
Besides it goes both ways. The Aussies have their jokes about us.
crusty_c...@my-deja.com
In article <951mgp$1ui$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
linda...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Hi.
>
> My name is Linda Rowe, I am from Auckland, New
Zealand and I am a
> professional junk emailer. I send out
> marketing material to people who post with
their real email addresses on
> the newsgroups. I don't think there is
> any harm in this because people know that when
they post their email
> address here they will get marketing
> material. They give their email address into
the public domain and it is
> then free for everybody to use.
Cool! Here's some fodder for your spam list then:
They love spam too, so put them on all the mailing
lists you can, please. :)
sa...@emagnet.com
bil...@emagnet.com
ip-...@conversent.com
webm...@conversent.com
mark...@conversent.com
sup...@conversent.com
jo...@conversent.com
meh...@activecom.net
com...@activecom.net
Comp...@Exodus.net
steve...@icgcomm.com
he...@UUNET.UU.NET
ter...@THEWEBZONE.COM
h...@mail.hn.cninfo.net
ser...@staff.soim.com
sa...@staff.soim.com
webm...@staff.soim.com
chief...@soim.com
sa...@thepoints.com
soi...@staff.soim.com
soime...@staff.soim.com
webm...@outsourcing.soim.com
sa...@outsourcing.soim.com
barrys...@home.com
sa...@western.co.jp
steve...@icgcomm.com
webm...@icgcomm.com
ab...@icgcomm.com
sxd...@mail.sc.cninfo.net
marku...@arcor.net
stephen....@dircon.net
mailto:n...@dircon.net
ri...@dircon.net
> Besides, you can always put it into the trash.
What is the problem ?
Uh, well, it takes, oh let's say about 4k bytes to
download the spam per person, and takes a person
about a minute to download, read, realize it's
crap and erase it. And since the typical spamming
runs to 50,000-200,000 recipients, that's 200 to
800 /megabytes/ the net has to handle, not
including the bounces and whatnot, and between 833
and 3333 people hours, which at a cost of $12-$40
per person hour, raises the cost per single
spamming to between $10000 and $133320. That's
the cost to the general public and businesses for
a single spamming. Multiply by the 5 to 400
spammings a day people and companies get hit with
and you get an annual cost to the internet world
of between $18,262,110.00 and $19,477,636,041.60
and between 73,048,440,000 and 116,877,504,000,000
bytes of internet capacity.
So maybe you can see why spam is no damn good?
(Probably not - <sigh>) Or is it that all you can
see is the ease with which you can get everyone
else on the net to duplicate your spam for free,
route it for free, in the hopes that some person
of diminished mental capacity, who can ill afford
the cost of the scam, will bite and send and/or
your clients money? Crap.. sounds just like the
lying summertime door-to-door hucksters and
grifters working the county dopes and yokels,
don't it? Tar and feathers are too good for
spammers!
>
> I have no problem getting marketing material.
To proof that I really
> mean this, I publish my postal address here for
> everyone to use. If I don;t like what direct
marketers send me I simply
> throw it into the bin ...
>
> Linda Rowe
> 39 Bernina Place
> Manurewa Auckland
> New Zealand 1072
>
> Tel: +64 9 268-6026
>
> the email address I am currently using is
>
> linda...@email.com
>
> but I may have to get a new one soon because
when people report me they
> always close my account, which I
> find unfair. Why do people do that ? Why don't
they simply ignore what I
> send them ? There are many others
> who are interested in what I send them, usually
about 0.2%, which means
> for every 1 million email there are
> 2000 people who buy my reports and I am sure
there are many more who are
> interested but do not buy
> immediately.
>
> best regards
> Linda Rowe
>
William
>>> Was I rude? Oh, gee, sorry, I mean, gosh-okies... At least I wasn't
>>
>>Thank you for the apology. I'll accept that.
>
>LOL! Your acceptance of a sarcastic apology is as meaningless as your spam,
>and for that matter, your very existence...
>
>You're making Used Car Salesmen look awfully good here...
Fuck a bunch of used Car Salesmen!
Oh! Uhm... hello Wojo.... *cringe*
>Tell me, is everyone in NZ as fucking stupid as you are, or is this something
>special we're witnessing?
She's Special alright.... ;-)
>Anthony "Looney" Toohey
Wm
William
><Gasp!> Did you hear what William was saying?
>Indeed. We must always observe the fucking proprieties when speaking
>to these damnable idiotic shitheads.
Yeah! What she said!
></missmanners>
MistressManners, I thought? ;-)
>Gryph
Wm
Zenwolf
<linda...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:951vm3$986$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <dI_c6.11740$65.6...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>,
> "David Raisey" <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > This is probably a joe job.
> >
> > The address has the wrong street number. You don't really suppose
someone
> > would make the simple mistake of using the wrong street number in their
own
> > address, do you? Especially when you consider how simple it was to get
the
> > address of the nz whitepages?
>
> Believe me the street number in the white pages is a misprint. The
> correct address is
>
> 39 Bernina Place
> Manurewa Auckland
> New Zealand 1072
>
Suuuuuuuuuuuure...post jpgs. Hey send me some coupons for free food!!!
Mark Wallace
The Anglo-American Humour (humor) Site
http://humorpages.terrashare.com/mainmenu.htm
____________________________________________
<linda...@my-deja.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
951vm3$986$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <dI_c6.11740$65.6...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>,
> What the guy didn't realise is that he did me a favour by posting my
> marketing letter. Now, people on the newsgroups can order my junk-email
> report for 25$ and make money like I do.
Like you *hope* to do, you mean.
I'm willing to bet that, just like every idiot spammer on the net, you have
yet to make a single penny out of this crap.
What does it feel like to be hated by millions for no return?
--
Mark Wallace
The Anglo-American Humour (humor) Site
http://humorpages.terrashare.com/mainmenu.htm
William
>What does it feel like to be hated by millions for no return?
Feels pretty good to me, a position I'm confortable with.
Wm
linda...@my-deja.com
crusty_c...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Uh, well, it takes, oh let's say about 4k bytes to
> download the spam per person, and takes a person
> about a minute to download, read, realize it's
> crap and erase it. And since the typical spamming
> runs to 50,000-200,000 recipients, that's 200 to
> 800 /megabytes/ the net has to handle, not
> including the bounces and whatnot, and between 833
> and 3333 people hours, which at a cost of $12-$40
> per person hour, raises the cost per single
> spamming to between $10000 and $133320. That's
> the cost to the general public and businesses for
> a single spamming. Multiply by the 5 to 400
> spammings a day people and companies get hit with
> and you get an annual cost to the internet world
> of between $18,262,110.00 and $19,477,636,041.60
> and between 73,048,440,000 and 116,877,504,000,000
> bytes of internet capacity.
So, who was the idiot who decided to make sending email free of charge ?
Who is upholding an invitation for a free ride and then complaining about
the fact they can't afford to serve it when people come and ask for that
free ride ?
Why do people always want free lunches and then complain that it costs
public money to provide the lunches ?
If you invite me for a BBQ and insist on "eat as much as you like and
bring as many friends as you like" don't complain if I come and bring my
entire alumni along.
You may not have realised but you have just argued that resources that
cost money should be charged for by those who use them and that the
charge should directly represent the respective cost.
In other words, you asked for charges to be applied to outgoing email. I
certainly support that one hundred percent.
Until that kind of economic sense spreads into the internet I would
rather expect that junk email will increase to remind everybody of how
stupid it is to provide free lunches.
Paul Edwards
news:9567i2$ov3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > a single spamming. Multiply by the 5 to 400
> > spammings a day people and companies get hit with
> > and you get an annual cost to the internet world
> > of between $18,262,110.00 and $19,477,636,041.60
> > and between 73,048,440,000 and 116,877,504,000,000
> > bytes of internet capacity.
>
> So, who was the idiot who decided to make sending email free of charge ?
The same idiot who didn't make all roads toll roads. Or
charge passengers on aeroplanes by their weight. It's
too much trouble. Instead, they know that there is no
problem, so long as you're just emailing your friends, no
one person can have so many friends, just like one person
can only weigh so much. The airline industry won't be
bankrupted by the world's heaviest person boarding their
plane.
> Who is upholding an invitation for a free ride and then complaining about
> the fact they can't afford to serve it when people come and ask for that
> free ride ?
There is NO invitation for a free ride to send spam. Your ISP
forbids it. You are deliberately and maliciously breaking the
rules. You know you are doing something wrong, which is
why you use false return addresses and post using hosts that
don't know you're doing it.
> If you invite me for a BBQ and insist on "eat as much as you like and
> bring as many friends as you like" don't complain if I come and bring my
> entire alumni along.
The entire alumni are not your friends. You know a small fraction of
them only, which is why they were safe in issuing the invitation.
> You may not have realised but you have just argued that resources that
> cost money should be charged for by those who use them and that the
> charge should directly represent the respective cost.
That is completely the choice of the people providing the service.
And those people have said:
1. You can email all your friends.
2. You cannot send spam.
If you want to send spam, go to some other network that allows that
sort of thing.
> In other words, you asked for charges to be applied to outgoing email. I
> certainly support that one hundred percent.
They do have that. There are two levels:
1. If you send less than 2000 emails per week, you pay a fixed
price for sending email.
2. If you send spam, you pay each recipient of the spam US$100 for
any inconvenience.
For some reason the spammers keep baulking at having to pay
for it, so they maliciously find a way to send the spam without
having to pay their just dues.
> Until that kind of economic sense spreads into the internet I would
It has. That's why they all say NO SPAM.
> rather expect that junk email will increase to remind everybody of how
> stupid it is to provide free lunches.
Nobody is providing you with a free lunch. You are STEALING
bandwidth that you were explicitly told NOT to do. In fact, I'm
shocked that it's not a criminal offence. It damn well ought to be.
BFN. Paul.
linda...@my-deja.com
"Paul Edwards" <kerr...@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote:
> The same idiot who didn't make all roads toll roads.
Toll roads will come and that is a very reasonable thing to do. The
German government funds a research project with some university and
carmaker VW to develop electronic charging devices to be installed in all
cars and to automatically deduct road toll from your account. They intend
to charge dependent on time of day (rush hour most expensive) and
location (dense populated most expensive).
Same problem similar solution: Too many cars - limited road space. Hence
charging for usage. Resource usage charged to discourage waste for
unworthy causes. A cause is worthy if it can afford to pay for the
resource at market value. Most scarce resources can only be afforded by
causes with highest return. Other causes have to find cheaper
alternatives.
In other words a delivery truck with urgent commercial goods for which a
customer has paid a premium for speedy delivery can afford major road
usage at peak time while John Doe with no job driving around out of
boredom cannot afford it and has to find alternative route or wait until
later. No problem whatsoever with that.
Or
> charge passengers on aeroplanes by their weight. It's
> too much trouble. Instead, they know that there is no
> problem, so long as you're just emailing your friends, no
> one person can have so many friends, just like one person
> can only weigh so much. The airline industry won't be
> bankrupted by the world's heaviest person boarding their
> plane.
Actually you are wrong. There was a recent case where Southwest Airlines
have won a court case against a passenger, a well oversized lady who did
not fit into one seat. Southwest charged her for two seats - she went to
court and lost the case.
While I am not quite sure which side I would have taken in that court
case, I have to say that your example doesn't quite fit.
It is not so much a matter of what the pricing formula is, whether by
seats or by weight or height or whatever else. Fact is that airlines do
charge for volume: Number of space in the aircraft is limited - seats
occupying lots of space, ie first and business class are most expensive.
Every seat is charged for - No seat is a freebie.
Then what is entirely missing in your scenario but very important is the
transfer onto another airline's aircraft, which is the equivalent of an
email message being relayed by another ISP. If that happens, the airline
which issued the ticket *has to pass on* part of their revenue for that
seat to the other airline the passenger is transfering to. This doesn't
happen within the eat-as-much-as-you-can internet. If ISP-A charges a
bulk emailer for messages to be relayed to and finally terminated by
another ISP-B then ISP-A should have to surrender a part of their revenue
for the transferred messages to the relaying and terminating ISPs. The
buck needs to be passed on following the trail of the messages. Obviously
originating and terminating ISP should have the lion share while relaying
parties would have less but the principle must prevail that whoever is
part of that delivery chain is due part of the revenue generated.
Airlines are a perfect example for this indeed. Airlines do that sort of
thing and they have international clearing houses to settle all these
passing the buck on payments between each other which is governed by IATA
rules (International Air Transport Association).
If you buy a cheapy cheap ticket you may find that you cannot transfer
onto a flight with another airline because the airline has restricted
that in order to be able to maintain a lower price. This would be
equivalent of an email message from one AOL user to another AOL user. AOL
could offer that at a cheaper rate than email to other ISPs ie Compuserve
because passing the buck on means using someone else's infrastructure
that they too should be paid for.
The present internet model is like going to an airline counter behind the
check-in gate and claim to have the right to travel anywhere you like
because you have already made your way inside. The airline would then
take this for granted and without asking to see your ticket nor verifying
your itinerary giving you a boarding pass. That way many people would by
a cheap ticket for SFO-LAX-MEX with American Airlines to make it into the
international terminal in LA but instead of getting a boarding pass for
Mexico City they would show up at the Air New Zealand transfer desk and
get a boarding pass for the flight to Auckland which would have been for
more expensive. Fill in your preferred travel destinations for any other
scenarios.
The airline industry doesn't work that way. If you don't have a flight
coupon for each leg of your trip you will not get a boarding pass for
that trip. Any transit airline will cash in that flight coupon for hard
currency with the airline you bought the ticket from as they got all the
money for the entire trip - Of course they will have to surrender part of
that to the other airlines you will use during that trip.
> > You may not have realised but you have just argued that resources that
> > cost money should be charged for by those who use them and that the
> > charge should directly represent the respective cost.
>
> That is completely the choice of the people providing the service.
> And those people have said:
>
> 1. You can email all your friends.
>
> 2. You cannot send spam.
>
> If you want to send spam, go to some other network that allows that
> sort of thing.
And that this other network can chosse to do so without having to pay any
of the other ISPs for relay and delivery is exactly the problem.
That would be equivalent to going to an airline that doesn't charge for
issuing a ticket and then expect to be able to transfer onto another
airline's flight without the transit airline getting paid by anybody.
That doesn't make sense at all. The trouble is, if there is only one such
airline around then this will stuff up all the others if they have to
take on the passengers from that airline.
Unless there is a flight coupon that the transit airline can exchange for
cash by presenting in to the issuing airline, the whole system couldn't
work. It would be absolutely nonsensical just like internet charging.
> > In other words, you asked for charges to be applied to outgoing email. I
> > certainly support that one hundred percent.
>
> They do have that. There are two levels:
>
> 1. If you send less than 2000 emails per week, you pay a fixed
> price for sending email.
>
> 2. If you send spam, you pay each recipient of the spam US$100 for
> any inconvenience.
And where is the clearing house to settle the charges and collect the
fees ? It's one thing to declare charges - but another to not settle
them. I have never seen any of that 100 $ for junk I have received,
neither did my ISP see any share of that money.
> For some reason the spammers keep baulking at having to pay
> for it, so they maliciously find a way to send the spam without
> having to pay their just dues.
And they can only do so because the ISPs whose systems they use are not
being charged by the ISPs who receive the incoming mail. If a telephone
company by one way or another looses your call record and cannot charge
you for a call you made, that is tough luck for them because the network
the call went to will charge them anyway. It doesn't matter if they
collect the money from you. And because of that the telephone company
systems are pretty well maintained and don't normally get hijacked or
fooled. They are maintained that way not because it is illegal to do
otherwise, but because it is in the networks' own interest to do so.
Any network that wouldn't care and deliberately opens a hole for users to
exploit will have to pay the charges to the other networks nevertheless
and as a result would soon go out of business.
Quite obviously there was no accountant on the team when they came up
with SMTP - all to the joy of junk emailers who can now exploit the gap
that the engineers left behind which the accountant could have easily
bridged.
Looney
>
>If you invite me for a BBQ and insist on "eat as much as you like and
>bring as many friends as you like" don't complain if I come and bring my
>entire alumni along.
That's as stupid a thing as you've said yet. You can bring your friends, you
can eat, but you can't break out your fuckin' Amway kit and waste everyone's
time trying to sign 'em up... A not so subtle difference, and yet one you
probably don't have the intellectual capacity to understand.
Fucking spammer...
Anthony "Looney" Toohey
----
I want to run,
I want to hide.
I want to tear down the walls,
That hold me inside.
I want to reach out,
And touch the flame,
Where the Streets Have No Name...
-- U2
Mark Wallace
The Anglo-American Humour (humor) Site
http://humorpages.terrashare.com/mainmenu.htm
____________________________________________
William <aggr...@cvnc.net> schreef in berichtnieuws
a7uc7tkpm6pska4bg...@4ax.com...
> No matter how hard I plugged my ears I could still hear Mark Wallace say:
>
> >What does it feel like to be hated by millions for no return?
>
> Feels pretty good to me, a position I'm confortable with.
confortable: adj, with the potential to be in possession of the walls of a
fortified position; impregnable
ok.
Paul Edwards
news:9586eb$huf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <gQyd6.93809$xW4.7...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> "Paul Edwards" <kerr...@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote:
>
> > The same idiot who didn't make all roads toll roads.
>
> Toll roads will come and that is a very reasonable thing to do. The
I was talking about currently. In my country and in yours. Things
may change in the future, but for decades, and CURRENTLY,
the system runs without tolls on every road.
> In other words a delivery truck with urgent commercial goods for which a
> customer has paid a premium for speedy delivery can afford major road
> usage at peak time while John Doe with no job driving around out of
> boredom cannot afford it and has to find alternative route or wait until
> later. No problem whatsoever with that.
We don't have that system yet, just as we don't on the internet. We
have a different system. And that different system doesn't allow you
to block the road, or send spam.
> Or
> > charge passengers on aeroplanes by their weight. It's
> > too much trouble. Instead, they know that there is no
> > problem, so long as you're just emailing your friends, no
> > one person can have so many friends, just like one person
> > can only weigh so much. The airline industry won't be
> > bankrupted by the world's heaviest person boarding their
> > plane.
>
> Actually you are wrong. There was a recent case where Southwest Airlines
> have won a court case against a passenger, a well oversized lady who did
> not fit into one seat. Southwest charged her for two seats - she went to
> court and lost the case.
I said weight, not number of seats. Air travel is sensitive to weight.
Very sensitive. Although I weight 100kg and my wife 50kg (or
something similar), they don't charge me twice the price, they don't
even weigh me. We pay the same.
That's the AIRLINE's CHOICE. THEY have decided it is the most
economical way to do it.
The banks have also chosen not to have 50 guards in every bank, to
avoid the risk of being robbed. It's not economical to do so. Just
because it IS possible to rob a bank, does not mean it's allowable.
This is exactly what is happening with your spam. Just because you
CAN hack into innocent systems and send your spam, doesn't mean
they or anyone else gave you permission to do so. THEY EXPLICITLY
DIDN'T. They explicitly said you aren't allowed to send spam.
If you don't like that, go find yourself another network which has the
accounting systems more to your liking. No-one is forcing you to be
on the internet. Please leave and harass someone who doesn't want
to be harassed.
No-one here wants to be harassed. All of the ISPs tell you you are
not allowed to do it. If they don't have adequate security (how many
banks are IMPOSSIBLE to rob?), it does not mean you have a
right to commit crime.
I hope one day you get raped, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
I mean, it was your own fault for walking alone at night, wasn't it?
I mean, those bars on your window are only made out of steel. You
can get through them with a laser cutter. You should have been
aware of that, and taken adequate security measures to prevent a
home invasion.
I hope it's not just one rapist, but gang rape. And I hope they take
pictures and video and post it on the internet. Maybe then you'll
know what it's like to have your email account 99% spam. And
I hope your rapists all stink as well, and that stink stays in your
mind for the rest of your life.
BFN. Paul.
William
><Gasp!> Did you hear what William was saying?
>
>>></missmanners>
>>
>>MistressManners, I thought? ;-)
>
>Well, sometimes. I can be incredibly dominant at the dinner table. Now
>get your elbows down before I have to spank you.
*thunk-thunk*
No.
*burp*
Aint gonna.
>Gryph
--
"All things small and obscure"
William
><Gasp!> Did you hear what William was saying?
>
>>>Well, sometimes. I can be incredibly dominant at the dinner table. Now
>>>get your elbows down before I have to spank you.
>>
>>*thunk-thunk*
>>
>>No.
>>
>>*burp*
>>
>>Aint gonna.
>
>
>Ooooh. Someone's *asking* for it.
Asking? I'm begging....
Please please paddle me....
I've been bad, I need correction....
><rolling up her sleeves, grabbing the ping-pong paddle>
*whimper*
>Gryph
Wm
~lily~
> <Gasp!> Did you hear what William was saying?
>
> >>Well, sometimes. I can be incredibly dominant at the dinner table. Now
> >>get your elbows down before I have to spank you.
> >
> >*thunk-thunk*
> >
> >No.
> >
> >*burp*
> >
> >Aint gonna.
>
>
> Ooooh. Someone's *asking* for it.
>
> <rolling up her sleeves, grabbing the ping-pong paddle>
Eeeeeekkk!!! A paddle!!!
Oops sorry - automatic reaction ;-)
You two proceed please <g>
~lily~
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The ashtray's full and I'm spillin' my guts"
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William
><Gasp!> Did you hear what William was saying?
>
>>>Ooooh. Someone's *asking* for it.
>>
>>Asking? I'm begging....
>>
>>Please please paddle me....
>>
>>I've been bad, I need correction....
>>
>>><rolling up her sleeves, grabbing the ping-pong paddle>
>>
>>*whimper*
>
><grins>
>
>Over my lap, little boy.
yes Ma'am. *assumes the position*
>Gryph
wm
William
><Gasp!> Did you hear what William was saying?
>
>>>Over my lap, little boy.
>>
>>yes Ma'am. *assumes the position*
>
><grins>
>
><takes paddle>
>
>WHAPWHAPWHAPWHAPWHAPWHAPWHAP!!!!
>
>You can get up now. Go sit on that hard chair in the corner for five
>minutes.
No.
Bitch.
wm
glutton for punishment.
--
The first gospel of all monarchies should be Rebellion;
the second should be Rebellion; and the third and all
gospels, and the only gospel of any monarchy, should be
Rebellion - against Church and State.
~ Mark Twain ~
Wojo
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:38:01 -0500, William <aggr...@cvnc.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >>Oooh.
> >>
> >>/me takes out a paddle with small metal bumps all over one side of it
> >>and commences to really beat William's ass with it.
> >>
> >><WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK! WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK!>
> >>
> >>Want more, little glutton for punishment?
> >>
> >><pressing the other side of the paddle -- covered in sandpaper --
> >>against William's ass while she waits for a response>
> >
> >*lip quivering, eyes glazed*
> >
> >yes Ma'am...
> >
> >*suddenly reaching out and tweaking Her left nipple...*
> >
> >wm
> >thick skinned
>
> Gyph it sounds to me like you're going to have to get him to roll over
> and then get out the tooth brush.
Shit. :(
Don't treat him like a dog!!!
He'll be *squish squish*ing day and night!!!
Wojo
Who notes Will has been notoriously absent for the past day or two
Sharon
advice from Wojo <ke...@jvlnet.com>:
>Who notes Will has been notoriously absent for the past day or two
I think he's at lilys for the weekend.
sharon
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Janet
Wojo wrote
> In a white room, with black curtains Sandman stated...
>
>
> > On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:38:01 -0500, William
> >
> >
> > >>
> > >>Oooh.
> > >>
> > >>/me takes out a paddle with small metal bumps all over one side of it
> > >>and commences to really beat William's ass with it.
> > >>
> > >><WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK! WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK!>
> > >>
> > >>Want more, little glutton for punishment?
> > >>
> > >><pressing the other side of the paddle -- covered in sandpaper --
> > >>against William's ass while she waits for a response>
> > >
> > >*lip quivering, eyes glazed*
> > >
> > >yes Ma'am...
> > >
> > >*suddenly reaching out and tweaking Her left nipple...*
> > >
> > >wm
> > >thick skinned
> >
> > Gyph it sounds to me like you're going to have to get him to roll over
> > and then get out the tooth brush.
>
> Shit. :(
>
> Don't treat him like a dog!!!
>
> He'll be *squish squish*ing day and night!!!
>
> Wojo
> Who notes Will has been notoriously absent for the past day or two
Where've you been? Skimming or not caught up?
He went to ~lily~'s and Kira met them, too. And I am NOT pleased that I
couldn't go!!!
Janet
Wojo
> >
> > Wojo
> > Who notes Will has been notoriously absent for the past day or two
>
> Where've you been? Skimming or not caught up?
> He went to ~lily~'s and Kira met them, too. And I am NOT pleased that I
> couldn't go!!!
I don't skim!!!! EVER! :)
But I *had* forgotten about that, which is funny considering how much
I've heard about it recently. :)
Wojo
William
>> Gyph it sounds to me like you're going to have to get him to roll over
>> and then get out the tooth brush.
>
>Shit. :(
>
>Don't treat him like a dog!!!
>
>He'll be *squish squish*ing day and night!!!
>
>Wojo
>Who notes Will has been notoriously absent for the past day or two
I was being pampered.
And I loved every minute of it.
Wm