Albany Street , Leith
Michaelangelo
This is on behalf of a friend who hails from Orkney and now lives in
Cornwall. He's on the old genealogy trail and has discovered his
grandparents were married in Albany St, Leith in 1899. His Grandfather
was serving on the Northern Light's ship 'Pole Star' at the time. I
presume this was a church wedding and would also be curious to know of
any church located in that street.
Any relevant info gratefully received.
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Alan
"Michaelangelo" <mike...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> I'm trying to discover the location of Albany Street in North(?) Leith.
> This is on behalf of a friend who hails from Orkney and now lives in
> Cornwall. He's on the old genealogy trail and has discovered his
> grandparents were married in Albany St, Leith in 1899. His Grandfather was
> serving on the Northern Light's ship 'Pole Star' at the time. I presume
> this was a church wedding and would also be curious to know of any church
> located in that street.
>
>
As far as I know / can tell there hasn't been an Albany Street in Leith but
I'll have a better look. The present Albany Street is in the northern part
of The New Town and was part of three streets - Albany Street / York Place /
Duke Street which were named in honour of King George IIIs second son (Duke
of York and Duke of Albany)
This Duke Street is not to be confused with the present Duke Street in
Leith - Duke Street in The New Town was renamed 1967 becoming part of what
is now known as Dublin Street.
George III is probably best known as Mad George as he probably had
porphyria, a metabolic disorder caused by chemical insufficiency in
hemoglobin production
Alan
Alan
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>
> "Michaelangelo" <mike...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
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>> I'm trying to discover the location of Albany Street in North(?) Leith.
>> This is on behalf of a friend who hails from Orkney and now lives in
>> Cornwall. He's on the old genealogy trail and has discovered his
>> grandparents were married in Albany St, Leith in 1899. His Grandfather
>> was serving on the Northern Light's ship 'Pole Star' at the time. I
>> presume this was a church wedding and would also be curious to know of
>> any church located in that street.
>>
>>
>
> As far as I know / can tell there hasn't been an Albany Street in Leith
> but I'll have a better look. The present Albany Street is in the northern
> part of The New Town and was part of three streets - Albany Street / York
> Place /
Ha! I spoke too soon - It was off North Fort Street.
North Fort Street still exists today and would fit into the area you are
looking for. I can't think of any churches but there has be a huge amount of
development / destruction in recent years. If you go to Google Street View
and look at the area around North Fort Street and Portland Street you will
see what I mean.
Almost everything north of that point is new.
Alan
Mike Dickson
> I'm trying to discover the location of Albany Street in North(?) Leith.
>
Albany St, Edinburgh, Midlothian EH1, UK
It's not far from Leith Walk, but on the south end.
I don't think there are any churches there.
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<mike...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote:
>I'm trying to discover the location of Albany Street in North(?) Leith.
>This is on behalf of a friend who hails from Orkney and now lives in
>Cornwall. He's on the old genealogy trail and has discovered his
>grandparents were married in Albany St, Leith in 1899. His Grandfather
>was serving on the Northern Light's ship 'Pole Star' at the time. I
>presume this was a church wedding and would also be curious to know of
>any church located in that street.
>Any relevant info gratefully received.
If my memory serves me correct Albany Street, Leith is now
called Portland Street....Church is probably The Norwegian Seaman's
Church which is now the Leith School of Art in North Junction Street,
or North Leith Parish Church in nearby Maderia Street.
I have no recollection of a church in Portland Street other than a
large facade near the bottom which might have been a church
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Alan
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> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:13:16 GMT, Michaelangelo
> <mike...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to discover the location of Albany Street in North(?) Leith.
>>This is on behalf of a friend who hails from Orkney and now lives in
>>Cornwall. He's on the old genealogy trail and has discovered his
>>grandparents were married in Albany St, Leith in 1899. His Grandfather
>>was serving on the Northern Light's ship 'Pole Star' at the time. I
>>presume this was a church wedding and would also be curious to know of
>>any church located in that street.
>
>>Any relevant info gratefully received.
>
> If my memory serves me correct Albany Street, Leith is now
> called Portland Street....Church is probably The Norwegian Seaman's
> Church which is now the Leith School of Art in North Junction Street,
> or North Leith Parish Church in nearby Maderia Street.
>
> I have no recollection of a church in Portland Street other than a
> large facade near the bottom which might have been a church
>
Yes, I can now confirm that Portland Street was Albany Street prior to 1966
Looks like the church was St Marys
http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/towns/townhistory292.html
Alan
Alan
>> I have no recollection of a church in Portland Street other than a
>> large facade near the bottom which might have been a church
>>
>
> Yes, I can now confirm that Portland Street was Albany Street prior to
> 1966
>
> Looks like the church was St Marys
>
> http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/towns/townhistory292.html
>
>
> Alan
>
On further reading I'm not too sure about the church name, that article says
"The armorial bearings of the Queen-regent are now built into the window of
St Mary's, in Albany Street."
Previously it says "St Mary's, the parish church of South Leith, with its
surrounding graveyard, occupies a stretch of land lying between Kirkgate and
Constitution Street." which would not fit with the Albany/Portland Street
location.
The Parish Church of South Leith still exists and is between Henderson
Street and Constitution Street and it does have a kirkyard in the correct
place.
The other thing that makes we wonder is that The Parish Church of South
Leith is literally next door to Trinity House Leith where if you were a
seaman you would probably go to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/whereilive/coast/stages.shtml?walk=edinburghandlothian&stage=2
http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/features/featurefirst7998.html
I wonder if there was ever another Albany Street in the area - Its not
Constitution or Henderson Streets as they were both named as such prior to
1899.
Maybe send an email to The Parish Church of South Leith and see if they have
any ideas.
Alan
Alan
>
> On further reading I'm not too sure about the church name, that article
> says "The armorial bearings of the Queen-regent are now built into the
> window of St Mary's, in Albany Street."
>
> Previously it says "St Mary's, the parish church of South Leith, with its
> surrounding graveyard, occupies a stretch of land lying between Kirkgate
> and Constitution Street." which would not fit with the Albany/Portland
> Street location.
>
> The Parish Church of South Leith still exists and is between Henderson
> Street and Constitution Street and it does have a kirkyard in the correct
> place.
>
> The other thing that makes we wonder is that The Parish Church of South
> Leith is literally next door to Trinity House Leith where if you were a
> seaman you would probably go to
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/whereilive/coast/stages.shtml?walk=edinburghandlothian&stage=2
> http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/features/featurefirst7998.html
>
> I wonder if there was ever another Albany Street in the area - Its not
> Constitution or Henderson Streets as they were both named as such prior to
> 1899.
>
> Maybe send an email to The Parish Church of South Leith and see if they
> have any ideas.
>
> Alan
>
One mystery solved - South Leith Parish Church was St Marys
From Edinburgh - An Illustrated Architectural Guide
"South Leith Parish Church , from 1487. The heart of old Leith: within
Thomas Hamiltons 1848 Gothic skin remains core of the nave of St Marys
Parish Church."
It continues with information that in 1836 the tower at the west entrance
slipped and was demolished, alterations were made by Thomas Hamilton and
that the great east window was removed and reused in St Conans Kirk at Loch
Awe.
Alan
Michaelangelo
> "Michaelangelo" <mike...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7pri6l...@mid.individual.net...
>> I'm trying to discover the location of Albany Street in North(?)
>> Leith. This is on behalf of a friend who hails from Orkney and now
>> lives in Cornwall. He's on the old genealogy trail and has
>> discovered his grandparents were married in Albany St, Leith in
>> 1899. His Grandfather was serving on the Northern Light's ship
>> 'Pole Star' at the time. I presume this was a church wedding and
>> would also be curious to know of any church located in that street.
>>
>>
>
> As far as I know / can tell there hasn't been an Albany Street in
> Leith but I'll have a better look. The present Albany Street is in
> the northern part of The New Town and was part of three streets -
> Albany Street / York Place / Duke Street which were named in honour
> of King George IIIs second son (Duke of York and Duke of Albany)
Thanks Alan, I knew about Albany Street in the New Town, being an
Edinburgher myself. It's old Leith I'm less familiar with. One point
though - Albany Street (in Edinburgh) wasn't part of the former Duke
Street and York Place. Albany Street runs between Broughton Street and
Dublin Street (the section that was Duke St), at right angles to them
and parallel with York Place.
Michaelangelo
> I'm trying to discover the location of Albany Street in North(?)
Many thanks to everyone who responded. Information duly passed on. The
only mystery that remains is the identity of the church. My friend has
now established that the minister who married his grandparents - Rev
John Kelman - was a United Free Church minister. The place of marriage
on the certificate is given simply as '2 Albany St, Leith'. My friend
is speculating that that may have been the address of the manse.
Alan
>
> Thanks Alan, I knew about Albany Street in the New Town, being an
> Edinburgher myself. It's old Leith I'm less familiar with. One point
> though - Albany Street (in Edinburgh) wasn't part of the former Duke
> Street and York Place. Albany Street runs between Broughton Street and
> Dublin Street (the section that was Duke St), at right angles to them and
> parallel with York Place.
>
> --
> Michaelangelo
> Self-catering, holiday accommodation in the Scottish Highlands, for
> disabled people
> www.woodhead-cottage.co.uk
>
>
Sorry, thats my lack of explaination, I was really meaning then to have been
a list of three streets, I should have numbered them.
Alan
jcurry9...@googlemail.com
<mike...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote:
>The place of marriage
>on the certificate is given simply as '2 Albany St, Leith'. My friend
>is speculating that that may have been the address of the manse.
Which points to North Leith Parish Church.? The manse could have had
access from there?
An email to the church office?
nlpc-...@btconnect.com.
Alan
<jcurry9...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:12:53 GMT, Michaelangelo
> <mike...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>>The place of marriage
>>on the certificate is given simply as '2 Albany St, Leith'. My friend
>>is speculating that that may have been the address of the manse.
>
> Which points to North Leith Parish Church.? The manse could have had
> access from there?
>
There is a logic to that as the church would be just round the corner from
Albany Street, the downside is that both North and South Leith Parish
Churches seem to have been Church of Scotland properties throughout the
years.
alan
jcurry9...@googlemail.com
>There is a logic to that as the church would be just round the corner from
>Albany Street, the downside is that both North and South Leith Parish
>Churches seem to have been Church of Scotland properties throughout the
>years.
I might have missed something..is there a definite denomination?
Alan
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> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:53:53 -0000, "Alan" <m...@me.com> wrote:
>
>
>>There is a logic to that as the church would be just round the corner from
>>Albany Street, the downside is that both North and South Leith Parish
>>Churches seem to have been Church of Scotland properties throughout the
>>years.
>
>
> I might have missed something..is there a definite denomination?
>
> --
at 18:12 Michaelangelo said
"My friend has now established that the minister who married his
grandparents - Rev
John Kelman - was a United Free Church minister. "
---
There certainly was a minister of that name in that period
http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101049011/
Alan
jcurry9...@googlemail.com
>> I might have missed something..is there a definite denomination?
>at 18:12 Michaelangelo said
>"My friend has now established that the minister who married his
>grandparents - Rev
>John Kelman - was a United Free Church minister. "
>There certainly was a minister of that name in that period
>http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101049011/
North Leith Parish Church was a 'free'
in the late 1800s according to their webpage.
http://home.btconnect.com/NLPC/history2.html
Alan
"Michaelangelo" <mike...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
> Michaelangelo burst on the scene, and said:
>> I'm trying to discover the location of Albany Street in North(?)
>
> Many thanks to everyone who responded. Information duly passed on. The
> only mystery that remains is the identity of the church. My friend has now
> established that the minister who married his grandparents - Rev John
> Kelman - was a United Free Church minister. The place of marriage on the
> certificate is given simply as '2 Albany St, Leith'. My friend is
> speculating that that may have been the address of the manse.
>
> --
> Michaelangelo
This looks like your man - in 1901 he is living with a large household in
Mansion House Road which is a much nicer place to live than Leith.
Alan
1901 Scotland Census
about John Kelman
Name: John Kelman
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ellen R
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundonald, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil parish: Edinburgh Robertson Memorial
County: Midlothian
Address: 26 Mansion House Rd
Occupation: Minister Of New North W F Church
ED: 93
Household schedule number: 121
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1901_389
Household Members: Name Age
John Kelman 36
Ellen R Kelman 36
Barbara M Kelman 7
Margaret H Kelman 4
Magdaline Webster 33
Elizabeth Strathdee 24
Annie Taylor 22
Isa B Goold 51
Margaret S S Goold 40
Katie Findlater 25
Euphemia Gibson 20
Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this
census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register
Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming.
For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history
research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to
ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this
collection
Alan
>
> "Michaelangelo" <mike...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Michaelangelo burst on the scene, and said:
>>> I'm trying to discover the location of Albany Street in North(?)
>>
>> Many thanks to everyone who responded. Information duly passed on. The
>> only mystery that remains is the identity of the church. My friend has
>> now established that the minister who married his grandparents - Rev John
>> Kelman - was a United Free Church minister. The place of marriage on the
>> certificate is given simply as '2 Albany St, Leith'. My friend is
>> speculating that that may have been the address of the manse.
>>
>> --
>> Michaelangelo
>
> This looks like your man - in 1901 he is living with a large household in
> Mansion House Road which is a much nicer place to live than Leith.
>
>
> Alan
>
This is 1871
1871 Scotland Census
about John Kelman
Name: John Kelman
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Margaret Harper
Gender: Male
Where born: Demdonall, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 692/2
Registration district: Leith South Burgh
Civil parish: Leith South
Town: Leith
County: Midlothian
Address: 4 Claremont Park
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 57
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_169
On the 1871 census his mother Margaret Harper Kelman was listed as Free
Church Merchers Wife
Anyone know what a "Mercher" is? Could be a transcription error as with his
place of birth?
4 Claremont Park is a substantial Victorian villa and they were living at
Leith Links so it looks like he has followed his fathers into the Free
Church.
alan
Alan
>
> Anyone know what a "Mercher" is? Could be a transcription error as with
> his
> place of birth?
>
Yes it is badly transcribed, in the 1891 census his father is listed as
Minister of St Johns Free Church
Alan