Also :-
Mark V who we sometimes used to share the tiny stage with at 'The
Place'. They pushed an upright piano from Edinburgh to London in an
attempt to publicise Scottish bands. Up until that time the pillocks in
London reckoned that everyfink norf of Lundin woz permafrost. Mark V
later split. One half became Nazareth who, I believe, still occasionally
manage to stagger on to a stage or make the odd record. Like me, they
don't leap about as much as they did for fear of blackouts! I used to
lust after Manny's lovely blonde Gibson TDC335 (or woz it an E175?).
'Linny' Patterson. Remember him? A 22ct. gold plated lunatic and a
legend. A real character. I was told a few months ago that he had
departed for the great gig in the sky. It was, of course, the drink.
Butch and the Bandits from around the Bonnyrigg area. Al Pearson
on lead was terrific and had a 4 p/u Burns Black Bison (this was before
the nasty 3p/u version appeared). The rythmn guitarist (name forgotten)
was one of the finest I have seen (including those from 'star' bands).
He played a black Fender Stratoblaster - like me but mine woz Hank B.
red. They also had a chubby little female vocalist who modelled herself
on Little Eva and had terrific intonation (as well as a tidy bum).
Dean Ford and the Gaylords (imagine a name like that nowadays).
Weegie based but played a lot around Embra. Brilliant band but spoiled
it all by becoming 'Marmalade' and sinking into oblivion.
The Alleycats who had a lead guitarist with a poxy Futurama3
(Hagstrom-Sweden) and wore a 2 to 3" built-up sole on one of his shoes
plus a leg calliper (think he had suffered from 'polio). Average band
but boy, could he play. I later heard that my lot tried to poach him to
replace me. ME!
And who could ever remember Mason Webb? Was there no beginning to
this band's talents? Some poncy lead guitarist pretending to be Hank B.
just 'cos he had a red Fender Stratoblaster, Pox A.C.30 and a Swissecho.
A right plucker who wore half-crown Boots sunglasses with the lens
removed just to look like Hank. His barre chords should have been
barred! He thought he was a smart-arse coz he could sight-read. I
believe that he is now a wizened and decrepit old stump and living in
the Kirkliston area with his fading memories and tone-deafness. Wot woz
his name again?
There was another blues band who had a Sunday evening residency at
the long since demolished Imperial Hotel but damned if I can remember
their name. Lead played a Guild Starfire. Terrific band.
My own first love is trad. jazz and I well remember being
frequently mesmerised by Old Bailey and the Jazz Advocates in The Place.
Sadly, it woz us rockers who spelt the death-knell for their residency.
Does good live rock music still exist in Embra? Would I be allowed
in at my advanced age or is it just for youngsters like foxy?
Did you ever play the Top Storey 'Arfur? Plonked on top of two
snooker tables with Rod (no relation) going crazy in case the felt got
damaged. Used to be packed with 15 y.o. girls in knee-length white socks
who used to start fights amongst the lads. Our bass player told me that
they were 'hairies'. I had never heard the term. The modern term, I
believe, is 'scrubbers'.
And what about Fairley's Ballroom? Some Ballroom! We reckoned it
got its name 'coz it was heaving with tarts and their prospective
clients. 'Business' was often conducted on the premises. We played
there only once. Started at 7pm on a quiet Tuesday - the inevitable
fight broke out at 5 past with tables, tumblers, customers and chairs
flying through the air in gay abandon. All because we had very politely
declined a request to play a Connie Francis number! The police arrived
in force and gave us a stern lecture as, although we were not drinking,
we were under 18!
There was another dreadful little place in a basement in a close
just off the High Street (was it Bungy's?). Full of smelly student
'folkies' who didn't appreciate 99dB of rock or 12 bar and only wanted
to hear 'meaningful' stuff about cod-liver oil and the orange juice.
Further afield was the delightful Doak's Ballroom at Falkirk bus
station. Getting in and setting up was easy. Getting out uninjured
presented more of an 'interesting' challenge. "See you pal, if ye're
crap ah'm gonny claim yi, awright?". An encouraging start to the
evening.
Another place was some grotty little hall in Church Street,
Loanhead that we played from time to time. One young lady (I was told
that she was the Burgh Surveyor's daughter) hung around the tiny stage
and offered to give us a hand job as she adored bands. In my innocence
(honest injun) I thought that she meant to give us a hand lugging the
very heavy Vox amps to the Austin J4 after the gig. That was a great
relief but not the kind of 'relief' I had envisaged. I learned a lot
that night (I was the baby of the band). The other four also learned a
lot ;) ;) ;) ;)
You must be an extremely 'mature' student 'Arfur 'wot wif your Uni
of York address. Anyway, it would be nice if others could add some more
names, experiences and memories of what, for me, was a wonderful time.
Rod.
--
beaver
"Arthur G. R. Sutherland" wrote:
> I don't remember The Crusaders though I have heard of them, I didn't
> know that tam the bam was a member. I have a recollection of the self
> same perv being a member of the
> Boston Dexters. I also seem to recall seeing a group called the Bay City
> Rollers
> in a church hall in Rodney Street during 1966, they were wearing
> platform soles even then.
> Since some other memories have been resurrected, such as the Crusaders,
> Athenians,
> I will add a few to the list for your interest and see if this wakens
> any memories of
> nights of drunken depravity.
> Stella (Later Kathy) & The Kentones, resident at the Plaza
> Hunters
> Hipple People, started life as Broughton School Band
> Forty two inch trust
> Petersfield
> Brodie
> Serenity (Of which yours truly was a member)
> Studio Six
> Rockin' Horse
> Can anybody add to this list?
My gig days were a fair few years later but howsabout
Another Pretty Face
Freeze
Scars
Josef K
Fire Engines
Visitors
Mowgli & The Doughnuts
Rezillos
Revillos
Shake
Boots For Dancing
Avo 8
Ah punk, loverly just loverly.
Steve
The Black Bison was one of the heaviest 'axes' I ever laid hands on for a
gig.
>He played a black Fender Stratoblaster - like me but mine woz Hank B.
>red.
Strats were too common - I had (and still have) a '62 Jaguar. The little
short scale neck is great for speed and the single coil pick-ups give a
throaty sound far superior to that of the Strat.
They also had a chubby little female vocalist who modelled herself
>on Little Eva and had terrific intonation (as well as a tidy bum).
> Dean Ford and the Gaylords (imagine a name like that nowadays).
>Weegie based but played a lot around Embra. Brilliant band but spoiled
>it all by becoming 'Marmalade' and sinking into oblivion.
There was also an Irish band called the Gaylords. My own guitar was the
property of their lead player in the mid 60's. Marmalade are far from
finished. Still led by Alan Wilson they are gigging plenty all over the UK
and will be in Scotland again on the last week in June.
> The Alleycats who had a lead guitarist with a poxy Futurama3
>(Hagstrom-Sweden) and wore a 2 to 3" built-up sole on one of his shoes
>plus a leg calliper (think he had suffered from 'polio). Average band
>but boy, could he play. I later heard that my lot tried to poach him to
>replace me. ME!
Hagstrom made a great bass.
> And who could ever remember Mason Webb? Was there no beginning to
>this band's talents? Some poncy lead guitarist pretending to be Hank B.
>just 'cos he had a red Fender Stratoblaster, Pox A.C.30 and a Swissecho.
>A right plucker who wore half-crown Boots sunglasses with the lens
>removed just to look like Hank. His barre chords should have been
>barred! He thought he was a smart-arse coz he could sight-read. I
>believe that he is now a wizened and decrepit old stump and living in
>the Kirkliston area with his fading memories and tone-deafness. Wot woz
>his name again?
> There was another blues band who had a Sunday evening residency at
>the long since demolished Imperial Hotel but damned if I can remember
>their name. Lead played a Guild Starfire. Terrific band.
Does anyone remember the Shadows when they played Guild?
> My own first love is trad. jazz and I well remember being
>frequently mesmerised by Old Bailey and the Jazz Advocates in The Place.
>Sadly, it woz us rockers who spelt the death-knell for their residency.
>
> Does good live rock music still exist in Embra? Would I be allowed
>in at my advanced age or is it just for youngsters like foxy?
There are plenty good bands around the toun but most of them are in the
social clubs where the young whippersnappers don't go (yet).
>
<snip snip snippy>
>> Stella (Later Kathy) & The Kentones, resident at the Plaza
>> Hunters
>> Hipple People, started life as Broughton School Band
>> Forty two inch trust
>> Petersfield
>> Brodie
>> Serenity (Of which yours truly was a member)
>> Studio Six
>> Rockin' Horse
>> Can anybody add to this list?
Fags & Matches at the Maybury with Johnny (Snake hips) Miller. Now
resident Friday & Saturday at the Hibs Club, Sunnyside.
>The Black Bison was one of the heaviest 'axes' I ever laid hands on for a
>gig.
Never had the pleasure of playing one but still get an erection when I
think of this Jim Burns masterpiece. I think it's those flared out horns
that does it ;)
>
>Strats were too common - I had (and still have) a '62 Jaguar. The little
>short scale neck is great for speed and the single coil pick-ups give a
>throaty sound far superior to that of the Strat.
Dan, you are my hero and I will happily bear your children. What is your
address, when will you be out for the night and where, exactly, do you
keep the Jag. My first Fender was a Teleblaster ;) which was later p/xd
for a Stratoblaster ;) I really wanted a Jazzmaster (cousin of the Jag
but with twin coils but couldn't afford it and reckoned my chances of
getting away with a late night smash and grab on Gordon Simpson's store
were less than evens).
>
>Hagstrom made a great bass.
Don't remember that one.
>
>Does anyone remember the Shadows when they played Guild?
The earliest I remember was when, as the Drifters, Jett Harris had an
electro-acoustic Framus bass, Marvin had a Hofner Congress with a screw-
on magnetic p/u ( changed rapidly when he earned some real cash). Welch
had, I think, a Gibson acoustic (possibly J160 or similar). Still reckon
they were one of the best acts I have seen on stage (and I have seen
most of the best up to the late 70s). Marvin wasn't lightning fast but
was professional enough to accept his limitations. IMO he was, and is,
superbly accurate and clean.
--
beaver
I preferred the 'Split Sound.' Had a chance to buy the one that the lead
player from 'Them' had in the 60's. I was too young though and didn't
realise the importance of the axe.
>>
>>Strats were too common - I had (and still have) a '62 Jaguar. The little
>>short scale neck is great for speed and the single coil pick-ups give a
>>throaty sound far superior to that of the Strat.
>
>Dan, you are my hero and I will happily bear your children. What is your
>address, when will you be out for the night and where, exactly, do you
>keep the Jag. My first Fender was a Teleblaster ;) which was later p/xd
>for a Stratoblaster ;) I really wanted a Jazzmaster (cousin of the Jag
>but with twin coils but couldn't afford it and reckoned my chances of
>getting away with a late night smash and grab on Gordon Simpson's store
>were less than evens).
>>
I live by the Bings. I keep the Jag in a hard case in the garage. I
havn't played it for almost three years. My intention was to take it
through to Bill Heggie at Magnum sound and trade it in. My first Leo
Fender was a Tele as well but I've also played a Broadcaster and a Strat. I
didn't like the Strat much because as someone who did a lot of pizicatto in
those days my little finger kept hitting the volume control and turning it
down in the middle of lead breaks. Best amp for the Jag had to be a Fender
Twin Reverb with JBL speakers. Picked it up in Germany in 1982 and sold it
again in about 1989 for roughly the same as I paid for it. Heavy bugger
but a lovely Fender sound.
>>Hagstrom made a great bass.
>
>Don't remember that one.
>>
>>Does anyone remember the Shadows when they played Guild?
>
>The earliest I remember was when, as the Drifters, Jett Harris had an
>electro-acoustic Framus bass, Marvin had a Hofner Congress with a screw-
>on magnetic p/u ( changed rapidly when he earned some real cash). Welch
>had, I think, a Gibson acoustic (possibly J160 or similar). Still reckon
>they were one of the best acts I have seen on stage (and I have seen
>most of the best up to the late 70s). Marvin wasn't lightning fast but
>was professional enough to accept his limitations. IMO he was, and is,
>superbly accurate and clean.
I'm sure I have seen footage of them with Guild's. Pure white ones. This
was before they switched to Burns.
>--
>beaver
>Bill Heggie at Magnum sound
Bill Heggie -early to mid 50s? Raised in the Broxburn area? Played in a
terrific band in the late 50s / very early 60s (name forgotten but they
won national competitions) Must be the same Billy Heggie who was a year
ahead of me at Broxburn High School. I think our bass player (now an
alkie) was in Billy's class. Where is Magnum Sound?
>I've also played a Broadcaster
Wish I owned one. (Once picked one up in a music store in Hammersmith.
Must have been 57 / 58ish and it was the first Fender I had actually
touched. I still remember the tingle running down my spine. I also
remember the shop owner's welcoming rejoinder, "Oi! Bugger off ya little
git". ;(
>didn't like the Strat much because as someone who did a lot of pizicatto in
>those days my little finger kept hitting the volume control and turning it
>down in the middle of lead breaks.
Rory Gallagher used that 'fault' in positioning to great advantage. Last
saw him 3 or 4 years ago at the Queen's Hall. Breathtaking (but also
ear-splitting). Sadly, no longer with us. Think, as a kid, he came up
through the Irish showbands.
> Best amp for the Jag had to be a Fender
>Twin Reverb with JBL speakers.
Totally agree. I eventually had an AC30 after the bog-standard Watkins
(Dominator?) but only 'cos I couldn't afford the Twin Reverb. Don't know
what the current ones are like but suspect that they no longer use
thermionic valves. I find the square waves produced by a 'clipping'
transistor job to be very unattractive (and also hell on the speakers).
>I'm sure I have seen footage of them with Guild's. Pure white ones. This
>was before they switched to Burns.
The story I got was that the Shads were becoming increasingly
disgruntled by Fender's quality control. Jim Burns offered to produce
something but, by that time, Burns had become Baldwin. The instrument
(also white) was named 'Hank Marvin' but the Shads only used them for
three or four years. I saw them several times through the 60s but only
once with the Baldwins (ABC, Lothian Road). Once tried one in a
Shaftesbury Avenue music store. Obvious influences from the Black Bison.
Beautifully built but, for some unknown reason, I didn't care for it too
much. Perhaps the B.B. was just too hard an act to follow. I never owned
one but always had a very high regard for the more down-market Tri-
Sonic. I have the feeling that Brian May used Tri-Sonic p/u's on his
famous home-made axe. Hated the 3p/u Bison as featured by The
Applejacks. Unlike many, I am quite impressed by the current Fenders
that I occasionally try in the local musical instrument stores-I'm
talking about USA produced but even the Mexican built models have
impressed me at the price. I play very little nowadays as I injured my
left hand in the very late 60s following a crash in a 'bike (pedal) race
when I suffered the delusion that I knew what the hell I was playing at.
The only consolation is that my left hand is not my 'working' hand ;)
Very fond memories Dan and I often wonder if today's kids feel the same
sense of buzz and excitement that I and many others experienced through
the 50s and 60s. I hope they do.
--
beaver
I don't have a Rotty but my wife came fae Currie - does that count?
>
>Bill Heggie -early to mid 50s? Raised in the Broxburn area? Played in a
>terrific band in the late 50s / very early 60s (name forgotten but they
>won national competitions) Must be the same Billy Heggie who was a year
>ahead of me at Broxburn High School. I think our bass player (now an
>alkie) was in Billy's class. Where is Magnum Sound?
>
The same Bill Heggie. The band was called 'Stag Party,' they are still
going. Magnum sound is in Wishaw, I use Bill's shop now because I know
him better than the guys in the Edinburgh shops. Going over there on
Thursday night for a new set of speakers and a mike.
>
>Rory Gallagher used that 'fault' in positioning to great advantage. Last
>saw him 3 or 4 years ago at the Queen's Hall. Breathtaking (but also
>ear-splitting). Sadly, no longer with us. Think, as a kid, he came up
>through the Irish showbands.
Gallagher's piano player lives in Granton of all places. You'll see him
along the Shore some nights. Can't mind his name but he is Irish.
>
>> Best amp for the Jag had to be a Fender
>>Twin Reverb with JBL speakers.
>
>Totally agree. I eventually had an AC30 after the bog-standard Watkins
>(Dominator?) but only 'cos I couldn't afford the Twin Reverb. Don't know
>what the current ones are like but suspect that they no longer use
>thermionic valves. I find the square waves produced by a 'clipping'
>transistor job to be very unattractive (and also hell on the speakers).
I had an AC30 and played a Rickenbacker copy through it then a Gibson copy.
Then I moved up to a Vox Conqueror and played a Hofner Senator. I liked
the old Hofner guitars, I had a few of them finishing up with a 3pu Galaxy
before the Jag. I never was that keen on Fender you see except for the
short scale variants like the Jag and Mustang.
>
>
>Very fond memories Dan and I often wonder if today's kids feel the same
>sense of buzz and excitement that I and many others experienced through
>the 50s and 60s. I hope they do.
>--
I unfortunately did not experience the 50's and I was too young in the 60's
to see much. I came up in the business in the 70's but in Ireland we were
still playing the showband stuff so I got a 60's music education till the
whole country switched to C&W about 74.
I stay in The Briars BTW. I work in Linlithgow. We've all been in the
business for at least 25 years each so we know a lot of people all over the
place. The 'principal' used to work at the ABC during the 60's.
>beaver
I thought they were awfully genteel in Currie. Fruit on the sideboard
even when nobody was ill.
>The same Bill Heggie. The band was called 'Stag Party,' they are still
>going. Magnum sound is in Wishaw, I use Bill's shop now because I know
>him better than the guys in the Edinburgh shops. Going over there on
>Thursday night for a new set of speakers and a mike.
Small world. Talented guy.
>
>I had an AC30 and played a Rickenbacker copy through it then a Gibson copy.
>Then I moved up to a Vox Conqueror and played a Hofner Senator. I liked
>the old Hofner guitars, I had a few of them finishing up with a 3pu Galaxy
>before the Jag. I never was that keen on Fender you see except for the
>short scale variants like the Jag and Mustang.
Was the Conqueror the 'trapezium' shaped one?
The showbands used to tour regularly in the 60s. Two hundred per cent
show but you'll know that better than I do. Superb working musicians.
>
>he 'principal' used to work at the ABC during the 60's.
Used to know the manager in the 60s. Les Lovell. Canadian. Used to live
out Murrayfield / Roseburn way. Remember seeing the Beach Boys at the
ABC - mid 60s. They did Good Vibrations without, as far as I could tell,
any hidden electronic wizardry - pretty advanced stuff for its day.
Any opinions on Gibson gear? Also, as I am hopelessly out of date, any
ideas for a round hole acoustic with cutaway. Don't mind in-built
transducer but it must stand up as a pure acoustic. £400 ish. Left hand
not as good as it should be but not too stiff to be useless.
--
beaver
No the 'Conk' was a split affair with a 100watt top and I think 4X10" in the
cab.
>>
>>he 'principal' used to work at the ABC during the 60's.
>
>Used to know the manager in the 60s. Les Lovell. Canadian. Used to live
>out Murrayfield / Roseburn way. Remember seeing the Beach Boys at the
>ABC - mid 60s. They did Good Vibrations without, as far as I could tell,
>any hidden electronic wizardry - pretty advanced stuff for its day.
>Any opinions on Gibson gear? Also, as I am hopelessly out of date, any
>ideas for a round hole acoustic with cutaway. Don't mind in-built
>transducer but it must stand up as a pure acoustic. £400 ish. Left hand
>not as good as it should be but not too stiff to be useless.
>--
>beaver
Judging by Heggie's shop tonight Fender are still the main sellers. A
deal has been struck and the Jaguar is part of it. The speakers are on
order and once a final price is arrived at Bill intends to send the Jag to
Moon guitars to have the original colour restored and give it a good
overhaul. He has a cracking collection of Hofners down there. You should
go have a look. My opinions on gear don't count for much these days.
Tonight was the first time in 3 years I've even been in a music shop. I
just use what I've got without knowing too much about the technical side.
Dan you are an eejit.
eddy