Walt Bayless

[ZhangU]

I heard of Walt Bayless and that he had a school some where in utah. Did anyone
ever here of him or his school?

[James Shelledy, III]

Walt Bayless now teaches in New York. Long Island, I think. He's
supposed to be pretty good. He trained Mark Schultz for his UFC debut.
Supposedly, he can tap out Schultz very easily.

JRS

[BeltJones]

Bayless used to teach at a school in the Holiday suburb of Salt Lake City.
He is gone now, but the school is still there, and I think his students are the
instructors there now. When he was here, there was some bad blood between him
and Pedro Sauer, one of Rickson Gracie's top students. It doesn't really make
sense to me, because they are both some of the nicest guys I have ever met in
my life.
I believe Bayless DID help train Schultz for his UFC appearance, but Sauer
also trained him. Schultz currently (as far as I know) is a purple belt at
Sauer's second school in Orem, Utah.

[Samoanpowr]

<<Walt Bayless now teaches in New York. Long Island, I think. He's supposed
to be pretty good. He trained Mark Schultz for his UFC debut. Supposedly, he
can tap out Schultz very easily.>>

Rickson Gracie trained Mark Schultz before Schultz' debut, I never heard of
Bayless' doing any exclusive training, I knew they trained together, but Mark
acknowledged Rickson's training and blue belt.

I do know that Bayless went to Pedro Sauer's dojo in Utah and got pushed all
over the mat just like Oleg did when he went there.

Samoa.

[Jujitzsu]

>I do know that Bayless went to Pedro Sauer's dojo in Utah and got pushed all
>over the mat just like Oleg did when he went there.

Here is an idea, maybe you should know what the hell you are talking about
before you write it. Pedro Saure never or could ever beat Walt on his best
day. You see the story is a little different. Walt wanted to grapple Pedro but
Pedro had one of his famous achs that day and every day afterwards.

[Bob Savage]

Jujitzsu wrote in message
<199806191736...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Here is an idea, maybe you should know what the hell you are talking about
>before you write it.

From a guy who doesn't even know how to spell Jiu-Jitsu (or, Jiujitsu)?
LOL.

Bob

[Mike Frech]

James Shelledy, III wrote:

> Walt Bayless now teaches in New York. Long Island, I think. He's
> supposed to be pretty good. He trained Mark Schultz for his UFC debut.
> Supposedly, he can tap out Schultz very easily.

Seeing how Schultz stepped in for Dave Beneteau the day of, or the day
before the event, how in the hell could Walt Bayless have trained him?

~Mike

[Jujitzsu]

>From a guy who doesn't even know how to spell Jiu-Jitsu (or, Jiujitsu)?
>LOL.
>
>

Sorry Bob I tried every other way but they were all taken

[Bob Savage]

Jujitzsu wrote in message
<199806192122...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>>From a guy who doesn't even know how to spell Jiu-Jitsu (or, Jiujitsu)?
>>LOL.
>
>Sorry Bob I tried every other way but they were all taken

LOL!! That was a good one!

Bob

[Samoanpowr]

<<Here is an idea, maybe you should know what the hell you are talking about

before you write it. Pedro Saure never or could ever beat Walt on his best
day. You see the story is a little different. Walt wanted to grapple Pedro but
Pedro had one of his famous achs that day and every day afterwards.>>

First of all; please re-read my post and paste where I said that Pedro wrestled
with Bayless personally. Can you do that for me? I didn't think so.

Second: Please tell me that Walt didn't get tapped out repeatedly when he went
to Pedro's dojo. Tell that lie for all of us.

Third: See "first of all".

Samoa.

[BeltJones]

Both the Sauer and the Bayless school here have different stories about what
happened when Walt went to Pedro's school. Pedro's people all claim Walt got
outclassed by blue belts, Walt's people say it never happened. Walt's people
also have claims of the Gracies repeatedly backing down to him in competitions.
When I have been at Pedro's school, I saw no pictures of Pedro or anyone else
posed with Walt, as there are of just about everyone else who has been in there
to train, Oleg, Benetou, etc included.
Also, I believe both Benetou and Schultz trained with Bayless. However, if
I have my facts straight, Schultz trains exclusively with Sauer at the Orem, UT
location.

[Jujitzsu]

Well I look at it like this if Pedro could not tap out Walt himself then how
could he get pushed around by anyone there. Walt also beleave it or not feeds
many locks to novice grapplers. Trust me none of Pedro's blue belts could tap
Walt out legit.

[Jujitzsu]

> When I have been at Pedro's school, I saw no pictures of Pedro or anyone
>else
>posed with Walt, as there are of just about everyone else who has been in
>there
>to train, Oleg, Benetou, etc included.

The reason that there are no pictures of Walt Bayless at Pedro's school my
guess is that Walt's school and Pedro's school are in competion. Seeing how
both schools are located in Salt Lake City.
I have not been in either scholl for a long time because I now reside in
Chicago but I am planing a trip there next month so I will ask again.

[Samoanpowr]

<<When I have been at Pedro's school, I saw no pictures of Pedro or anyone else
posed with Walt, as there are of just about everyone else who has been in there
to train, Oleg, Benetou, etc included.>>

Ask Pedro and he will show you the cancelled checks he has from Walt Bayless
and the dates on the checks show he trained there over a period of time.

Samoa.

[Jujitzsu]

The truth of the matter is that the only way Walt could grapple with Pedro is
if he payed him. So he came to Walt's school for a workshop. Walt was never a
student of Pedro's I swear to god.
The funny part about this argument is that Walt could care less about what
others think of him. He is one of the most layed back modest person I have ever
known for being as talented as he is. He would not even read this thread I just
thought the truth should be told.

[Samoanpowr]

<<The funny part about this argument is that Walt could care less about what
others think of him. He is one of the most layed back modest person I have ever
known for being as talented as he is. He would not even read this thread I just
thought the truth should be told.>>

Tell the truth about his interview in BB Magazine two years ago. Tell the
truth about him trashing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu players and saying that their
skills are limited. For being such a modest guy he sure like stepping on the
art that he paid good money to train in.

Samoa.

[Jujitzsu]

He is not about trashing BJJ as much as he is about creating open mindness. In
his view when one discounts other aspects of other martial arts that person
limites himself. For intance many BJJ school will not pratice leg locks because
it is not rooted in jiu-jitsu rather its Sambo or Shoot Fighting. In Walts view
to over look any contrabution from any art with out at least viewing it for a
possible effective addition to you own personal art is depriving oneself based
on the age old idealogy that my style is the best just because.

Don't get me wrong I have a tremoudos respect for the Gracies and what the have
done for pushing the ground game in to the spotlight. However I beleive that
many BJJ school are creating their own type of tradition while in the myst of
fighting the very foundation of tradition itself.

When I was at Walt's school we praticed many concepts from wrestling, sambo,
boxing, shootfighting and ect. Walt basic stance is to not allow yourself to
have tunnel vision, to shut out any contrabution from another style because
they don't display the Brazilian flag in their dojo and whats so wrong with
that?