OT: Witchblade
Violet
haven't figured out why?! However, having said that.... Does anyone have a
clue as to who the old man/woman? is that shows up in the background, making
eye contact with our heroine and then disappears? The program is confusing
enough without this character and to think there are only two (I think) new
episodes left before it ends for this season.... There are not going to any
more questions answered then there were at the end of last year's series of
eps...... Thanks for enlightening me. .<g>
.... Vi
Bill
"underneath" I think it's a guy.
The series seems somewhat reminiscent of "Twin Peaks" - I'm not sure even the
writers know what all these things mean but it's more the journey that's
important. I believe this guy was also in the last episode of season 1,
somewhere back in time.
Bill
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Violet
unbelievably confusing series. I wish I understood why I bother watching it
every week. The closest reason I can come up with, is that I keep looking
for clarification. The way they ended Season 1 is an indication of how
there are no limits to their stretch of the imagination. I have to relay a
story that happened to me two weeks ago.... I was watching the show in my
living room with the lights turned off and as you know, the end of show is
usually filled with special effects, lighting, strobe lighting etc., and it
must have looked weird from the outside looking in. My neighbors called to
find out if there was a problem in the house and wanted to make sure I was
OK. I couldn't figure out what she was talking about until I put it
together. When you're watching the show, you just go with the flow and it
works with the story but just seeing all these flashing lights, from acrosss
the street, caused concern from my good and concerned neighbor. ..... So,
I guess Witchblade does get noticed, one way or the other <g>..
....
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Violet
"Ragansi" <Numa_Pompili...@REMOVETHISHotPOP.com> wrote in message
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> At one time "Violet" <vi...@attbi.com> Wed 14 Aug 2002 02:54:47p
> engraved in cyberspace stone the following message
> news:XHx69.136860$uj.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net: much to the
> ambiguity of all the Gods and Goddesses
It
> looks all weird and has a million different meanings, but unfortunately it
> forgets that it has an audience. That's the price they pay for being an
> artsy show. Old man apparently is connected to the Blade. Could he be the
> personification of the blade? Or a sorcerer or a future wielder of the
> Blade? I really don't know why I watch it either. I guess it really hooked
> me in with the last few episodes from last year, and, also, the finale
> being such a big suprise.
No argument from me on your take on the show.and obviously, I am hooked on
it too or I wouldn't be taping it every week.... BTW, Was "I" being
am搓ig暉搗us in my post? , or did I "not" understand your opening.
Hmmmm.... I must be losing it.... Well, thanks for your reply ..
Elfseeker
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> Just curious..... I'm still recording Witchblade but for the life of me, I
> haven't figured out why?! However, having said that.... Does anyone have
a
> clue as to who the old man/woman? is that shows up in the background,
making
> eye contact with our heroine and then disappears? The program is
confusing
> enough without this character
Two choices...if it's an appearantly independently moving suit of armor, he
got nothing to do with Witchblade in the first place. (curse TV-companies
need to change a working recipe...the blade was all there was to it(aside
from it's originating 'cult' or whatnot) in the 'comic'-series...where it
seems to have been wiser to STAY...)
Or it's the odd 'pop-up' of 'the Other'...Darkness, Witchblade's supposed
'opposite'(did'nt get that much impression of the relation between the two
from the comic...aside, perhaps, from the fact D is 'male' and W is
'female'...and that Darkness is far more fatal in it's...'traveling'...
Likely, if they got the rights(foreseen that the two doesn't belong under
the same brand), the company is likely to have that series get a LOT more
interesting... ;-)
Supernatural forces in opposition...executed properly, it's delicious!
Elfs...@c2i.net, rather certain D will -never- drop by the series short of
starting one of its own...and who wonders whether W will ever become more
than a SWITCH-blade...*grin, then groan*
Michelle
> "Ragansi" <Numa_Pompili...@REMOVETHISHotPOP.com> wrote in message
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> > I think its problem is that Witchblade is one of those artsy type shows.
It's not "artsy". It's wanna-be artsy. It tries desperately to have
style but only manages to show the lack of creativity of its
producers.
> > It
> > looks all weird and has a million different meanings,
Thus means nothing.
> > but unfortunately it
> > forgets that it has an audience.
It does? I don't think anyone still watches it. <g>
> > That's the price they pay for being an
> > artsy show. Old man apparently is connected to the Blade. Could he be the
> > personification of the blade? Or a sorcerer or a future wielder of the
> > Blade? I really don't know why I watch it either. I guess it really hooked
> > me in with the last few episodes from last year, and, also, the finale
> > being such a big suprise.
Surprising in how bad it was or surprising in how they managed to not
answer anything?
Violet
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> > > I think its problem is that Witchblade is one of those artsy type
shows.
>
> It's not "artsy". It's wanna-be artsy. It tries desperately to have
> style but only manages to show the lack of creativity of its
> producers.
>
> > > It
> > > looks all weird and has a million different meanings,
>
> Thus means nothing.
>
> > > but unfortunately it
> > > forgets that it has an audience.
>
> It does? I don't think anyone still watches it. <g>
>Well, as you can see there are a few of us that aren't giving up on it <g>
> > > That's the price they pay for being an
> > > artsy show. Old man apparently is connected to the Blade. Could he be
the
> > > personification of the blade? Or a sorcerer or a future wielder of the
> > > Blade? I really don't know why I watch it either. I guess it really
hooked
> > > me in with the last few episodes from last year, and, also, the finale
> > > being such a big suprise.
>
> Surprising in how bad it was or surprising in how they managed to not
> answer anything?
Actually, you have to admit, for a show that's keeping us up in the air with
questions after each episode, and still manages to get us to come back for
some more torture, they do have some kind of gift. Usually I just go on to
another show if it becomes to much of a job to keep notes on who's doing
what to whom and why, etc., but for some kind of fascination, I'm still
with it. I just hope when the series ends, they have the decency to give us
some kind of a better ending that X:WP. I really don't think I can take
the heroine's head on a plate again. I haven't recovered from Xena.
.... Vi
Florian Blaschke
Ragansi wrote:
> einfach weniger an "normalen" Kontakten interessiert, weil
> But what I mean by artsy is like the kind of art by Van
> Gogh's "Starry Night" or Salvador Dali's "Nude climbing a
> staircase" and that weird ass painting of melting watches
>(I tried to find the name of the painting, but couldn't
> find it. I think Salvador did it, but I'm not sure).
Yes, it's from him as well. Its title is "The Persistence
of Memory" (originally "La Persistance de la Mémoire", also
"Montres Molles" - created in 1931 after the consumption of
camembert, found in the Museum of Modern Art, New York).
It's wonderful.
> That's what I meant by artsy. Just some weird ass art you
> don't know what the Hell the artist was sniffing,
> snorting, or injecting when they came up with this work of
> art.
I don't need drugs to have weird ideas, but chocolate once
helped me to get into the right mood and have the guts to
write them down ...
Are you familiar with Maurits C. Escher?
> The people that make this show just try to be weird just
> for the sake of it.
There's nothing wrong with that ...
--
Florian
GGGHD, MWFA, HCNB
Florian Blaschke
Ragansi wrote:
> Florian Blaschke wrote:
>> Ragansi wrote:
>>> But what I mean by artsy is like the kind of art by Van
>>> Gogh's "Starry Night" or Salvador Dali's "Nude climbing a
>>> staircase" and that weird ass painting of melting watches
>>>(I tried to find the name of the painting, but couldn't
>>> find it. I think Salvador did it, but I'm not sure).
>> Yes, it's from him as well. Its title is "The Persistence
>> of Memory" (originally "La Persistance de la Mémoire", also
>> "Montres Molles" - created in 1931 after the consumption of
>> camembert, found in the Museum of Modern Art, New York).
>> It's wonderful.
> Yes, it's a trippy painting. Definitely uber different.
No wonder it's become so famous.
I compared X:WP with a Dali painting once. Episodes such as
"Paradise Found" definitely have that quality.
> Neither, do I need drugs to have weird thoughts. Also, it
> seems like if you're sleeping schedule is all messed up.
Indeed, sleep deprivation is like a drug. Myself, I have
apparently got the 'night owl' gene which delays the
production of melatonine by several hours. So it's natural
for me to have a 'messed up' sleeping schedule. But I prefer
the night also because of its silence.
>> Are you familiar with Maurits C. Escher?
> Not the name, but I do have copies of his paintings
Errr - but you _know_ the name in fact obviously ...
>>> The people that make this show just try to be weird just
>>> for the sake of it.
>> There's nothing wrong with that ...
> I totally agree. I just like it when "The people that make
> this show just try to be weird just for the sake of it." the
> producers do it well unlike for example V.I.P. with the
> soulless Pamela Anderson. The show is supposed to be done
> for laughs, yet usually these kind of shows are done well
> while V.I.P. is incredibly stupid beyond belief!
I don't know the show, so I can't comment too well. But it is
obvious that doing a truly weird show is incompatible with
pandering to common taste. You need to convince people of
your own style. And there must be something serious to your
work, I think, not just silly and cheap laugh. Rather the
ha, ha, just serious way.
> I just don't like "the power of being weird" being used and
> abused!!
What about Witchblade? Same case as V.I.P. or not?
Cleanthes
>
>What about Witchblade? Same case as V.I.P. or not?
>
>--
>Florian
>GGGHD, MWFA, HCNB
>
Witchblade is NOTHING like V.I.P.
It's also not much like XWP. There's no camp to Witchblade in the main story.
Sara (the main character) plays *against* the supernatural, oddball elements,
as if Xena ran around trying to be a normal Greek warrior woman who only
morphed into her peculiar Xena costume under stress and then didn't really
understand herself.
There IS a tremendous trippy camp thing going between Jeremy Irons and Ian
Nottingham, but the way that storyline plays out add to the confusion that
people here have expressed.
XWP fans watch Witchblade, IMO, because Yancy Butler plays a mean Sara Pezzini
in a role reminiscent of Lawless's Xena --- she's tough and takes no guff and
she uses the witchblade, a sometime sword. Actually, it uses her rather than
her using it.
There were no characters much like Irons and Nottingham on Xena. Let's see,
Aidenn of `Paradise Found` reminds me a bit of Irons while Nottingham seems a
bit like Khrafstar of the XWP ep `The Deliverer` *before* he turned into a
demon.
Picture Aidenn as Khrafstar's mentor and give them father-son issues coupled
with very heavy homoerotic subtext. That's the Irons-Nottingham thing on
Witchblade.
I suppose you can tell that I rather like Witchblade. Well, I like the Pez,
Irons & Nottingham characters. Of the other "good guy" characters, I like
Gabriel. I think the other three cops (Jake, Danny and the morgue woman) are
too thinly drawn.
Cleanthes (GGGHD)
"The gods have not revealed all things to mortals from the beginning, but by
seeking, mortals may find out better in time; ... the most certain knowledge is
of exposed error." Xenophanes of Colophon (570-475 BC)
Michelle
> Ragansi wrote:
> What about Witchblade? Same case as V.I.P. or not?
The difference is that VIP is cheesy as a conscious decision,
Witchblade is unwittingly cheesy and as a consequence is really
ridiculous.
Michelle
> >
> >
> >What about Witchblade? Same case as V.I.P. or not?
> >
> >--
> >Florian
> >GGGHD, MWFA, HCNB
> >
>
> Witchblade is NOTHING like V.I.P.
>
> It's also not much like XWP. There's no camp to Witchblade in the main story.
There's plenty of camp, but it's not on purpose and is just plain bad,
not fun.
> Sara (the main character) plays *against* the supernatural, oddball elements,
> as if Xena ran around trying to be a normal Greek warrior woman who only
> morphed into her peculiar Xena costume under stress and then didn't really
> understand herself.
>
> There IS a tremendous trippy camp thing going between Jeremy Irons and Ian
> Nottingham, but the way that storyline plays out add to the confusion that
> people here have expressed.
The confusion is caused by the bad writing and the fact that the
producers keep wanting to have both their serious and fantasy cake.
It just doesn't work that way.
> XWP fans watch Witchblade, IMO, because Yancy Butler plays a mean Sara Pezzini
> in a role reminiscent of Lawless's Xena --- she's tough and takes no guff and
> she uses the witchblade, a sometime sword. Actually, it uses her rather than
> her using it.
It's impossible to tell what that thing does. It's supposed to have a
mind of its own but just comes out as a poorly assembled gadget (and
looks like it too).
> I suppose you can tell that I rather like Witchblade. Well, I like the Pez,
> Irons & Nottingham characters.
I would like the characters if they were really characters. They're
just shells used bythe writers in the pursuit of plots that make no
sense.
> Of the other "good guy" characters, I like
> Gabriel. I think the other three cops (Jake, Danny and the morgue woman) are
> too thinly drawn.
Thinly drawn would be an improvement. <g>
Florian Blaschke
Michelle wrote:
> Cleanthes wrote:
>> Witchblade is NOTHING like V.I.P.
>>
>> It's also not much like XWP. There's no camp to
>> Witchblade in the main story.
> There's plenty of camp, but it's not on purpose and is just
> plain bad, not fun.
If it's not on purpose, it is not camp per definition.
> The confusion is caused by the bad writing and the fact
> that the producers keep wanting to have both their serious
> and fantasy cake.
> It just doesn't work that way.
Huh? Are you saying serious and fantasy is a contradiction?
Are you calling 'Lord of the Rings' silly and not serious?
Cleanthes
Something tells me "Michelle" is LAGuy.
Violet
curious..... Was it as farfetched as the television series has been so far
or are the writers of this show just weird and using their own
imagination? I have to give them credit for creativity though, because no
matter what I have posted , there is apparently no question that there are
some of us that are watching it every week. They must be doing something
right, although I am usually not a happy camper when the show ends every
Tuesday night. .... questions, more questions, no answers..... Xena, help
me. Frankly, I am now hooked on the Monk show which, in my mind, is a much
better show in the sense that it has a beginning, a middle, and a conclusion
in every week's plot. Kind of refreshing not to have anything hanging over
other than Monk's OCD. Acting is great, the character is brilliant, Tony
Shaloub (sp?), however, I digress.... just thought I would throw it in for a
change of pace.... talk about being "off topic"....
..... Vi
Florian Blaschke
Cleanthes wrote:
> Something tells me "Michelle" is LAGuy.
In this case, I was right to read "LAGuy" as "LaGuy". :)
stealth...@-remove-yahoo.com
>
SNIP
>> You know, I never read the comic version of Witchblade and I'm just
>curious..... Was it as farfetched as the television series has been so far
>or are the writers of this show just weird and using their own
>imagination? I have to give them credit for creativity though, because no
>matter what I have posted , there is apparently no question that there are
>some of us that are watching it every week. They must be doing something
>right, although I am usually not a happy camper when the show ends every
>Tuesday night. .... questions, more questions, no answers..... Xena, help
>me. Frankly, I am now hooked on the Monk show which, in my mind, is a much
>better show in the sense that it has a beginning, a middle, and a conclusion
>in every week's plot. Kind of refreshing not to have anything hanging over
>other than Monk's OCD. Acting is great, the character is brilliant, Tony
>Shaloub (sp?), however, I digress.... just thought I would throw it in for a
>change of pace.... talk about being "off topic"....
>
>..... Vi
>
I saw part of the movie which hit the reset button on last season and
so far it exceeds my "huh?" factor. Yancy is interesting but not
sufficient to watch.
Agreed on Monk. I just saw most of one ep and heard a piece on it on
NPR and it seems interesting, having a sort of feel of the old Columbo
series where the unlikely underdog comes up on top at the end.
spam reduction in progress, sorry.
Elfseeker
> so far it exceeds my "huh?" factor.
Movie? Are we talking about the same show here?
The girl with the glove that couldn't sprout tentacles if it so were burnt
over slow hellfire?(as it is supposed to be doing at a moments notice...and
which is appearantly exchanged for a full suit of (largely useless) armor,
and a blade...what the hell do those folks think the show is about? the
middle ages?!!!?...sorry.)
Elfs...@c2i.net, who now has a new object of search...?
Snarky
intelligence by having the temerity to say:
>"Florian Blaschke" wrote...
>> Ragansi wrote:
>
>> What about Witchblade? Same case as V.I.P. or not?
>
>The difference is that VIP is cheesy as a conscious decision,
>Witchblade is unwittingly cheesy and as a consequence is really
>ridiculous.
I like it...
Snarky, Xenite and Buffy/Doctor Who/B5 fan