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Lasse Makholm

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Does anybody know any sites devoted to the stunts/tricks/moves seen in X:WP?
And I don't mean the big fancy wire-stuff where Xena flies from one end of a
village to another. I mean the little cool things that appear once in a
while. For example the move Xena does after being knocked to the floor in
'One Against An Army' or the classic
bouncing-back-to-your-feet-when-lying-on-your-back as seen in a few other
eps...

I did some serious surfing today trying to find something but didn't come up
with anything... So, I thought I'd try in here... 8^)

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Lasse Makholm
Founding member of TJASS (1½ members now...)
Collector of Whoosh-Counts

Rose

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In article <807qvj$86d$1...@news.inet.tele.dk>,

"Lasse Makholm" <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>
> Does anybody know any sites devoted to the stunts/tricks/moves seen in
X:WP?
> And I don't mean the big fancy wire-stuff where Xena flies from one
end of a
> village to another. I mean the little cool things that appear once in
a
> while. For example the move Xena does after being knocked to the floor
in
> 'One Against An Army' or the classic
> bouncing-back-to-your-feet-when-lying-on-your-back as seen in a few
other
> eps...
>
> I did some serious surfing today trying to find something but didn't
come up
> with anything... So, I thought I'd try in here... 8^)
>
According to my husband (who is a martial arts fan), many of those kinds
of moves come from the various forms of martial arts. Some come from
karate, others from tae kwon do, still more from Bruce Lee's version. I
would say you're going to have to start there. Also, he said a lot of
it has been modified to fit the Xenaverse.

--
Rose
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A.S.T.U.D.: Ares' Sirens: Tough, United, Determined


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Mike Kingscott

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Yello,

> For example the move Xena does after being knocked to the floor in
> 'One Against An Army' or the classic
bouncing-back-to-your-feet-when-lying-on-your-back as seen in a few other
> eps...

If you have Tekken 3 on the PlayStation, the move Xena does in OAAA is like
Eddy's Ipanema wings from the ground, also seen in Best of the Best 2,
performed by Philip Rhee, or most recentlly in the Matrix, when Neo is
fighting Morpheus. Perhaps a capoeira move then - someone did mention that
it looked like a breakdance move in a previous thread, and capoeira is where
breakdance came from. In fact, I seem to remember that Xena actually fought
a capoerist in one episode - can't think what it was though...

As for the bouncing-back-to-your-feet-when-lying-on-your-back, just a
hand-spring, really - I used to do them just using my neck as a force for
going up, but a recent x-ray revealed that I now have a compacted disc in my
thoracic region of my spine :-(

As for the rest, Rose sums it up nicely - lots of stuff from lots of
different martial arts, which is the best way of doing it. Taekwondo
(primarily a leg martial art) is very good in the open, but not much use if
you were attacked in a phone box (you'd probably want something like Wing
Chun for that). And before anyone flames me or starts a 'my martial art is
better than your martial art' thread, it's not the art, it's the artist...

Kind regards,

Mike K.

Lasse Makholm

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Mike Kingscott <mi...@kingscott.f9.net.uk> wrote in message
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> Yello,

Purple? 8^)

> > For example the move Xena does after being knocked to the floor in
> > 'One Against An Army' or the classic
> bouncing-back-to-your-feet-when-lying-on-your-back as seen in a few other
> > eps...
>
> If you have Tekken 3 on the PlayStation, the move Xena does in OAAA is
like
> Eddy's Ipanema wings from the ground, also seen in Best of the Best 2,
> performed by Philip Rhee, or most recentlly in the Matrix, when Neo is
> fighting Morpheus.

I'll have to check out The Matrix out again then... I'm determined to learn
that move... (being 6'1 isn't an advantage when doing stuff like this... 8^)
Need a place to practice though, living in an apartment really sucks... I
need my own private gym... 8^)

> Perhaps a capoeira move then - someone did mention that
> it looked like a breakdance move in a previous thread, and capoeira is
where
> breakdance came from.

Ah yes, capoeira... The new trend in martial arts... I have a friend who has
been doing it for a year or so and getting pretty good
(might have to do with the fact that he's a 5th dan black-belt in Ninjutsu,
we call him Ninja for short 8^). He's given us a few lessons, when we're at
the climbing wall. It's fun... and great for showing off... <g>

Breakdance originated from capoeira? That's interesting, I didn''t know
that... Brazillian kids re-inventing their heritance in the american ghettos
in the early 80's, I suppose...

> In fact, I seem to remember that Xena actually fought
> a capoerist in one episode - can't think what it was though...

I remember that too... It was in S1 or S2, can't remember the ep though...

> As for the bouncing-back-to-your-feet-when-lying-on-your-back, just a
> hand-spring, really - I used to do them just using my neck as a force for

Ah, handspring... So that's what it's called... 8^)

> going up, but a recent x-ray revealed that I now have a compacted disc in
my
> thoracic region of my spine :-(

Ouch! Sounds painful. I guess should be careful then. After a lot of
practicing and a sore back I finally got it right some 6 months ago, using
my hands. Since then I've been wanting to learn it without the hands... It's
funny, before I learned the handspring it seemed incredibly difficult, but
once you get the hang of it, it's quite easy and a lot less physically
demanding than you'd expect. All in the technique... 8^)

What art(s) have you trained in yourself? Sounds like you know a lot about
this stuff...

> As for the rest, Rose sums it up nicely - lots of stuff from lots of
> different martial arts, which is the best way of doing it. Taekwondo
> (primarily a leg martial art) is very good in the open, but not much use
if
> you were attacked in a phone box (you'd probably want something like Wing
> Chun for that). And before anyone flames me or starts a 'my martial art is
> better than your martial art' thread, it's not the art, it's the artist...

Agreed. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. You wouldn't wanna
use capoeira in that phonebox either... <g> Besides, I'd say that capoeira
more a cross-over between martial art & dance...

Do you know Ninjutsu?

Lasse Makholm

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Rose <ro...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <807qvj$86d$1...@news.inet.tele.dk>,
> "Lasse Makholm" <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody know any sites devoted to the stunts/tricks/moves seen in
> X:WP?
> > And I don't mean the big fancy wire-stuff where Xena flies from one
> end of a
> > village to another. I mean the little cool things that appear once in
> a
> > while. For example the move Xena does after being knocked to the floor

> in
> > 'One Against An Army' or the classic
> > bouncing-back-to-your-feet-when-lying-on-your-back as seen in a few
> other
> > eps...
> >
> > I did some serious surfing today trying to find something but didn't
> come up
> > with anything... So, I thought I'd try in here... 8^)
> >
> According to my husband (who is a martial arts fan), many of those kinds
> of moves come from the various forms of martial arts. Some come from
> karate, others from tae kwon do, still more from Bruce Lee's version. I
> would say you're going to have to start there. Also, he said a lot of
> it has been modified to fit the Xenaverse.

Yup, no doubt about that... 8^) Pretty much anything is modified to fit the
Xenaverse... I was just wondering if they were any sites devoted to the
moves'n grooves of the show... I guess not... If only I had the time,
energy and knowledge about martial arts, I might do it myself, since I have
an empty site at my ISP...

Rose

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In article <80b04g$675$2...@news.inet.tele.dk>,
Well, go for it. Start small and add to it as you can.

Lasse Makholm

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Rose <ro...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <80b04g$675$2...@news.inet.tele.dk>,
> "Lasse Makholm" <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
[SNIP]

> > Yup, no doubt about that... 8^) Pretty much anything is modified to
> fit the
> > Xenaverse... I was just wondering if they were any sites devoted to
> the
> > moves'n grooves of the show... I guess not... If only I had the time,
> > energy and knowledge about martial arts, I might do it myself, since I
> have
> > an empty site at my ISP...
> >
> Well, go for it. Start small and add to it as you can.

Yeah, it's just that I don't really know what I wanna do with it... and...
well... erhm... uh... Hell, maybe I'm just too lazy... 8^)


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Lasse Makholm
- Founding member of TJASS (1? members now...)
- Collector of Whoosh-Counts
- Student of funky Xena-moves
- Still smiling... 8^)

Rose

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In article <80c3fl$nno$3...@news.inet.tele.dk>,

"Lasse Makholm" <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>
> Rose <ro...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:80bsia$qca$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <80b04g$675$2...@news.inet.tele.dk>,
> > "Lasse Makholm" <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> [SNIP]
> > > Yup, no doubt about that... 8^) Pretty much anything is modified
to
> > fit the
> > > Xenaverse... I was just wondering if they were any sites devoted
to
> > the
> > > moves'n grooves of the show... I guess not... If only I had the
time,
> > > energy and knowledge about martial arts, I might do it myself,
since I
> > have
> > > an empty site at my ISP...
> > >
> > Well, go for it. Start small and add to it as you can.
>
> Yeah, it's just that I don't really know what I wanna do with it...
and...
> well... erhm... uh... Hell, maybe I'm just too lazy... 8^)
>
LOL!! I know that feeling. :-)

Mike Kingscott

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Hi Lasse,

I saw your reply on Remarq, but I'm at home at the moment and this newsgroup
doesn't seem to carry the thread... odd. In answer to your question about
whether I used to train, I did Kung Fu (based on Lau Gar) for about 6 years,
had a break and now I'm doing Muay Thai - quite a change! I've had various
encounters with other martial arts as well, but to no great depth - I mean,
I'm very keen on Shaolin Temple Kung Fu (saw 'em live!), but certainly
couldn't perform a crane form or whatever, but I know it exists... does that
make sense? ;-) I'm not very with it at the moment.

What did you have in mind for the fight-site anyway? Could be interested...

Kind regards,

Mike K.

PS 'Yello' is the greeting of one Homer J. Simpson, another one of my
heroes...

Lasse Makholm

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Mike Kingscott <mi...@kingscott.f9.net.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi Lasse,

Davs... (<-- That's a Danish one... 8^)

> I saw your reply on Remarq, but I'm at home at the moment and this
newsgroup
> doesn't seem to carry the thread... odd. In answer to your question about
> whether I used to train, I did Kung Fu (based on Lau Gar) for about 6
years,
> had a break and now I'm doing Muay Thai - quite a change!

Yeah? Kung Fu is the Bruce Lee stuff, right? Lau Gar? Muay Thai? I'm afraid
you're gonna have to fill me in here... My knowledge in martial arts is very
limited... 8^)

> I've had various
> encounters with other martial arts as well, but to no great depth - I
mean,
> I'm very keen on Shaolin Temple Kung Fu (saw 'em live!), but certainly
> couldn't perform a crane form or whatever, but I know it exists...

Shaolin Temple Kung Fu? I'm afraid you've lost me again... <g> But feel free
to explain, I'd like to know more...

>does that make sense? ;-)

Um... ::looking confused:: Sure... 8^)

> I'm not very with it at the moment.

I know that feeling... 8^)

> What did you have in mind for the fight-site anyway? Could be
interested...

Well, I've been thinking somewhere along the lines of a sort-of tribute to
the moves on X:WP. Take the leg-spinning-thing in 'One Against An Army' for
example. It'd be nice to have some info about the martial art(s) it's from,
what's the move called, how do you do it, is it a good situation to use that
particular move, has it been used in other eps...

Also a more general view on the show regarding martial arts would be nice.
For example, is the show mainly inspired by a certain martial art? Also IIRC
Lucy,at some point, trained with a martial arts master... Some info/pictures
about that would be nice too...

Unfortunately I only have a few eps on tape, so can't hunt through them in
search of more moves. It'd be nice if we could find a good bunch of them...

And/or any suggestions you might have... I don't think I can/wanna do it
alone, but if you help me out, I can probably persuade myself to put in the
hours... 8^) So, let me know what you think... (if anyone else has
suggestions, they're welcome too, of course)


BTW: Isn't the usual hand/arm-fighting in X:WP sort of Kung Fu'ish?


> PS 'Yello' is the greeting of one Homer J. Simpson, another one of my
> heroes...

I prefer Abraham Simpson - "Turn it up!"


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Lasse Makholm
- Founding member of TJASS (1 members now...)

Mike Kingscott

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Wotcher, (cockney one)

> Yeah? Kung Fu is the Bruce Lee stuff, right? Lau Gar? Muay Thai? I'm
afraid
> you're gonna have to fill me in here... My knowledge in martial arts is
very
> limited... 8^)
> Shaolin Temple Kung Fu? I'm afraid you've lost me again... <g> But feel
free
> to explain, I'd like to know more...

Yep, Kung fu is the Bruce Lee one (although he later took various other arts
and formed his own style called Jeet Kune Do, or Way of the Intercepting
Fist) - it originated in China when the monk Bodhidharma came to the Shaolin
Temple (poss from India), and saw the monks meditating for long periods of
time. He devised a series of exercises (primarily based on the animals he
saw) so the monks wouldn't seize up. These grew into actual fighting moves,
and the Shaolin Temple was born. There's a story about 13 warrior monks
protecting the emperor from an army, who was then so grateful, he razed the
temple to the ground killing most of the monks. Charming.

But essentially that's where Kung Fu came from, a 'soft' martial art (i.e.
parries instead of hard blocks). From there it alledgedly moved to Okinawa
where it became karate. There's also a suggestion the martial arts came from
Africa to India, btw.

Muay Thai is the martial art of Thailand and is a lot more 'hard' then
modified kung fu (modified as in for today - see later note). This is a full
contact where pretty much anything goes - head, elbow, knees etc. I know
there are these Ultimate Fighting championships, but to me that's just
brawling ;-) That's not to say Kung Fu is soft, there are a lot of
techniques in traditional Kung Fu that will cause a variety of
unpleasantness.

By modified fighting I mean toned down for point fighting - i.e. there are
techniques in all martial arts which are lethal. This was the whole point of
martial arts: to defend yourself as necessary, and to do that you may have
to stop the other person permanently (and let's not even get on to
weapons!). Obviously, you can't go around killing people, so they had to mod
ify the martial arts so no-one would get killed, hence point fighting. There
is still full contact fighting however, and that is seen as the purest form
of combat, I guess - it's clear who the winner is as he/she is the only one
left standing.

Personally I see a lot of similarities between the (striking) martial arts -
for example, Kung Fu has a Snake fist, Karate has a Knife Hand. Same thing,
fingers out straight, but applied in a different fashion (Snake Fist=strike,
Knife Hand=Chop). There are only so many ways you can form a fist, so many
ways you can hit with an elbow, so many ways to move your legs etc. The same
applies to the 'throwing/locking' arts, i.e. Aikido, Judo - use the other
persons force against them, your wrist doesn't bend all the way back, your
elbow has a point it won't move beyond, people find it hard to stand on one
leg - especially if you're pulling them ;-)

*** Let's not forget, though, the spiritual side of the martial arts, which
I was particularly drawn to. It really helped me in my life to become more
confident, fitter, healthier, disciplined etc. and is a bonus to anyone who
takes it up.***

*** And once again, bear in mind that it's always the artist, not the art...
***

Please note that these are just my views, and feel free to correct me if I
have anything wrong...

> Well, I've been thinking somewhere along the lines of a sort-of tribute to
> the moves on X:WP. Take the leg-spinning-thing in 'One Against An Army'
for
> example. It'd be nice to have some info about the martial art(s) it's
from,
> what's the move called, how do you do it, is it a good situation to use
that
> particular move, has it been used in other eps...

OK...

> Also a more general view on the show regarding martial arts would be nice.
> For example, is the show mainly inspired by a certain martial art? Also
IIRC
> Lucy,at some point, trained with a martial arts master... Some
info/pictures
> about that would be nice too...

That would be good... There's already a great site about the influences of
Hong Kong cinema on the show (I forget the URL though - can someone help?)

> Unfortunately I only have a few eps on tape, so can't hunt through them in
> search of more moves. It'd be nice if we could find a good bunch of
them...

I have even less on tape... I need those Season 1 and 2 box sets NOW!

> And/or any suggestions you might have... I don't think I can/wanna do it
> alone, but if you help me out, I can probably persuade myself to put in
the
> hours... 8^) So, let me know what you think... (if anyone else has
> suggestions, they're welcome too, of course)

Okey, dokey...

> BTW: Isn't the usual hand/arm-fighting in X:WP sort of Kung Fu'ish?

Well, they're not 'hard' blocks - I'm thinking of 'The Furies' where Xena is
fighting Ares over her mother and they're just parrying the strikes.
However, in Chakram, when Xena et al are attacked in the market, Gabrielle
does a 'hard' block (i.e. stops the opponents limb in it's tracks) from
behind a guy and boots him in the face. Incidentally, ROC looks very
competent as a fighter. I know the fight scenes are choreograped, but kudos
to ROC for really looking the part, kudos to the stunt co-ordinater and
kudos to whoever trains the actos (more info, anyone?).

An old saying that I remember (don't know who from though):

"Before I studied the martial arts, a kick was a kick and a punch was a
punch. Whilst I studied the martial arts, a kick was no longer a kick, and a
punch was no longer a punch. Now I understand the martial arts, a kick is a
kick and a punch is a punch."

Wow, that's a long email - congrats if you made it down this far!

Kind regards,

Mike K.
Student of funky Xena-moves

Lasse Makholm

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Mike Kingscott <mi...@kingscott.f9.net.uk> wrote in message
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Reading this, makes me think that Ninjutsu is just a hurting
art... 8^)

> *** Let's not forget, though, the spiritual side of the martial arts,
which
> I was particularly drawn to. It really helped me in my life to become more
> confident, fitter, healthier, disciplined etc. and is a bonus to anyone
who
> takes it up.***

No doubt about that. It is also one of the aspects that appeal to me. The
main thing for me though, would be getting more physically skilled.

Untill a few years ago my life was pretty much centered around emotional
development, growing up, maturing (still got some work to do there), the
usual teenage stuff I guess. Somewhere along the line things changed though.
I started climbing, rollerblading, running and I did my military service in
the Danish Rescue Corps. All this in a couple of years. Suddenly I felt on
my own body that it could be trained and improved to accomplish specific.
Obviously I knew that already, athletes do it everyday, but it's easier to
believe when you've felt it on your own body. Climbing was a good way for me
to experience this. When you have a go at certain route on the wall, either
you make it or you fall. This makes it very easy to meassure your own
progress. Especially when you're doing it 4-5 nights a week like we did last
winther.

It also back then that I decided that I wouldn't be happy with the shape I
was in before I could split and walk on my hands. Still working on that...
but at least I got the handspring right... 8^)

Does any of this make any sense?

> *** And once again, bear in mind that it's always the artist, not the
art...
> ***
>
> Please note that these are just my views, and feel free to correct me if I
> have anything wrong...
>
> > Well, I've been thinking somewhere along the lines of a sort-of tribute
to
> > the moves on X:WP. Take the leg-spinning-thing in 'One Against An Army'
> for
> > example. It'd be nice to have some info about the martial art(s) it's
> from,
> > what's the move called, how do you do it, is it a good situation to use
> that
> > particular move, has it been used in other eps...
>
> OK...

...Or do you have a better idea? 8^)

> > Also a more general view on the show regarding martial arts would be
nice.
> > For example, is the show mainly inspired by a certain martial art? Also
> IIRC
> > Lucy,at some point, trained with a martial arts master... Some
> info/pictures
> > about that would be nice too...
>
> That would be good... There's already a great site about the influences of
> Hong Kong cinema on the show (I forget the URL though - can someone help?)

I can probably find it if I put in some effort. Free unlimitied net access
at school... Yum, yum... 8^)

> > Unfortunately I only have a few eps on tape, so can't hunt through them
in
> > search of more moves. It'd be nice if we could find a good bunch of
> them...
> I have even less on tape... I need those Season 1 and 2 box sets NOW!

Yeah, if only I had the money to spend... 8^) Aren't the S1 & S2 box sets
already out in NTSC version?

> > And/or any suggestions you might have... I don't think I can/wanna do it
> > alone, but if you help me out, I can probably persuade myself to put in
> the
> > hours... 8^) So, let me know what you think... (if anyone else has
> > suggestions, they're welcome too, of course)
> Okey, dokey...
>
> > BTW: Isn't the usual hand/arm-fighting in X:WP sort of Kung Fu'ish?
> Well, they're not 'hard' blocks - I'm thinking of 'The Furies' where Xena
is
> fighting Ares over her mother and they're just parrying the strikes.

Can't really remember the details from that one. If it isn't Kung Fu'ish,
what is it then? Home made? 8^)

> However, in Chakram, when Xena et al are attacked in the market, Gabrielle
> does a 'hard' block (i.e. stops the opponents limb in it's tracks) from
> behind a guy and boots him in the face. Incidentally, ROC looks very
> competent as a fighter. I know the fight scenes are choreograped, but
kudos
> to ROC for really looking the part, kudos to the stunt co-ordinater and
> kudos to whoever trains the actos (more info, anyone?).

Still being in S3, I'll take your word for it... 8^) Can't wait to see Gabs
get into some serious fighting though... Looking forward to the sai stuff...

> An old saying that I remember (don't know who from though):
>
> "Before I studied the martial arts, a kick was a kick and a punch was a
> punch. Whilst I studied the martial arts, a kick was no longer a kick, and
a
> punch was no longer a punch. Now I understand the martial arts, a kick is
a
> kick and a punch is a punch."

I like that... 8^)

> Wow, that's a long email - congrats if you made it down this far!

Thanks... Very interesting reading... 8^)


Ouch, my forearms are killing me... I guess we overdid it a little at the
climbingwall last night...

--
Lasse Makholm
- Founding member of TJASS (1.5 members now...)
- Collector of Whoosh-Counts (Counts & counters wanted...)
- Student of funky Xena-moves (Not /that/ kind of funky...
- Still smiling... 8^)

Mike Kingscott

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> No doubt about that. It is also one of the aspects that appeal to me. The
> main thing for me though, would be getting more physically skilled.
>
> Untill a few years ago my life was pretty much centered around emotional
> development, growing up, maturing (still got some work to do there), the
> usual teenage stuff I guess. Somewhere along the line things changed
though.
> I started climbing, rollerblading, running and I did my military service
in
> the Danish Rescue Corps. All this in a couple of years. Suddenly I felt on
> my own body that it could be trained and improved to accomplish specific.
> Obviously I knew that already, athletes do it everyday, but it's easier to
> believe when you've felt it on your own body. Climbing was a good way for
me
> to experience this. When you have a go at certain route on the wall,
either
> you make it or you fall. This makes it very easy to meassure your own
> progress. Especially when you're doing it 4-5 nights a week like we did
last
> winther.

Yep, it all came about in my teens, as well - although I'm still maturing
(29 next year). Age is such a load of crap anyway - I'm a 28 year old boy,
that's how I see it... Got my PC, got my Playsation, I'm still a kid at
heart! Sounds like you've had an interesting couple of years there, mil
serv, climbing (like it, don't really get the opportunity though) and
roller-blading (haven't been on mine for months). I used to go down the gym
a lot (before the baby came along), which was another fine way of measuring
progress - it's good to set a target and work towards it, and actually see
the progress being made, it's very rewarding.

> It also back then that I decided that I wouldn't be happy with the shape I
> was in before I could split and walk on my hands. Still working on that...
> but at least I got the handspring right... 8^)

I still can;t do the splits but my flexibilty has improved immensely. And
oddly enough I tried walking on my hands last night, only managed a few
steps :-( Have you seen Rumble In The Bronx? At the beginning, Jacky Chan
goes into a handstand and starts doing press-ups! I need a wall for that!
You can do the handspting now? Good stuff! I want to do the round off, back
flip, back somersault thing we see so much of. Last time I tried a back flip
I landed on my head, so probably need some more practice!

> Does any of this make any sense?

Yep...


> > *** And once again, bear in mind that it's always the artist, not the
> art...
> > ***
> >
> > Please note that these are just my views, and feel free to correct me if
I
> > have anything wrong...
> >
> > > Well, I've been thinking somewhere along the lines of a sort-of
tribute
> to
> > > the moves on X:WP. Take the leg-spinning-thing in 'One Against An
Army'
> > for
> > > example. It'd be nice to have some info about the martial art(s) it's
> > from,
> > > what's the move called, how do you do it, is it a good situation to
use
> > that
> > > particular move, has it been used in other eps...
> >
> > OK...
>
> ...Or do you have a better idea? 8^)

No, sounds like a good idea!

> > > Also a more general view on the show regarding martial arts would be
> nice.
> > > For example, is the show mainly inspired by a certain martial art?
Also
> > IIRC
> > > Lucy,at some point, trained with a martial arts master... Some
> > info/pictures
> > > about that would be nice too...
> >
> > That would be good... There's already a great site about the influences
of
> > Hong Kong cinema on the show (I forget the URL though - can someone
help?)
>
> I can probably find it if I put in some effort. Free unlimitied net access
> at school... Yum, yum... 8^)

Same at work... unofficially. Isn't great that surfing the web actually
looks like work?


> > > Unfortunately I only have a few eps on tape, so can't hunt through
them
> in
> > > search of more moves. It'd be nice if we could find a good bunch of
> > them...
> > I have even less on tape... I need those Season 1 and 2 box sets NOW!
>
> Yeah, if only I had the money to spend... 8^) Aren't the S1 & S2 box sets
> already out in NTSC version?

They are, which means I need a NTSC-compatible video recorder, which then
means I need a new tv...

> > > And/or any suggestions you might have... I don't think I can/wanna do
it
> > > alone, but if you help me out, I can probably persuade myself to put
in
> > the
> > > hours... 8^) So, let me know what you think... (if anyone else has
> > > suggestions, they're welcome too, of course)
> > Okey, dokey...

> > > BTW: Isn't the usual hand/arm-fighting in X:WP sort of Kung Fu'ish?
> > Well, they're not 'hard' blocks - I'm thinking of 'The Furies' where
Xena
> is
> > fighting Ares over her mother and they're just parrying the strikes.
>
> Can't really remember the details from that one. If it isn't Kung Fu'ish,
> what is it then? Home made? 8^)

I guess it is Kung Fu'ish, they all looked like centre-clearing blocks, so
maybe an essence of Wing Chun in there... Remember, a kick is a kick, a
punch is a punch - and a block is a block ;-)

> > However, in Chakram, when Xena et al are attacked in the market,
Gabrielle
> > does a 'hard' block (i.e. stops the opponents limb in it's tracks) from
> > behind a guy and boots him in the face. Incidentally, ROC looks very
> > competent as a fighter. I know the fight scenes are choreograped, but
> kudos
> > to ROC for really looking the part, kudos to the stunt co-ordinater and
> > kudos to whoever trains the actos (more info, anyone?).

> Still being in S3, I'll take your word for it... 8^) Can't wait to see
Gabs
> get into some serious fighting though... Looking forward to the sai
stuff...

Sais=cool. Although I prefer the nunchaku (someone stole mine out of my
car!). Yep, the new Gabs is a real eye-opener!

> Thanks... Very interesting reading... 8^)

Ta! Share the info, that's what I say!

> Ouch, my forearms are killing me... I guess we overdid it a little at the
> climbingwall last night...

Are you sure it's not all this typing? Mind you, it beats handwriting!

Kind regards,

Mike K.

Lasse Makholm

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Mike Kingscott <mi...@kingscott.f9.net.uk> wrote in message
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Glad I'm not the only one. 8^) Growing up must be one of the most overrated
goals in life... <g> And you're right about age. Youth (or aging) is not
about numbers, it's a state of mind...

> Sounds like you've had an interesting couple of years there, mil
> serv, climbing (like it, don't really get the opportunity though) and
> roller-blading (haven't been on mine for months). I used to go down the
gym

I already miss my blades... Winther's here which means
rain/cold/rain/snow/rain so it'll probably have to wait 'till april/may when
spring sets in... 8^( I guess it'll be pretty much the same for you, beeing
in the UK...

> a lot (before the baby came along), which was another fine way of
measuring
> progress - it's good to set a target and work towards it, and actually see
> the progress being made, it's very rewarding.

Indeed it is. Looking forward to the X-Mas happening at the climbing club,
they've promised to arrange some X-Mas-climbing-fun-&-games. Wonder what
they're gonna come up with... 8^)

> > It also back then that I decided that I wouldn't be happy with the shape
I
> > was in before I could split and walk on my hands. Still working on
that...
> > but at least I got the handspring right... 8^)
> I still can;t do the splits but my flexibilty has improved immensely. And

I've never been very flexible in my legs. I tried to improve it, but it
seems like so much hard work and so little progress... Any good tips?

> oddly enough I tried walking on my hands last night, only managed a few
> steps :-(

Sometimes I ca do 10-15 steps without loosing my balance, but most times
it's only a few... Tip: It'll be easier to keep your balance if you press
your feet together and tighten all your legmuscles to keep your legs & feet
straight. It's harder to keep your balance if your legs are "all over the
place"... (But you probably knew that already...)

Unless of course you prefer the funky variation, e.g. walking on your hands
while doing the splits... 8^)

> Have you seen Rumble In The Bronx? At the beginning, Jacky Chan
> goes into a handstand and starts doing press-ups! I need a wall for that!

Me too. I'm not even sure I have the strenght for it anymore... I did some
last winther though...

> You can do the handspting now? Good stuff!

Yups, been doing it (with hands) for quite a while now... The
no-hands-version however, I'll have to work on...

> I want to do the round off, back
> flip, back somersault thing we see so much of. Last time I tried a back
flip
> I landed on my head, so probably need some more practice!

Ouch! You're probably right. That's why I've never tried it. 8^)

> > ...Or do you have a better idea? 8^)
> No, sounds like a good idea!

Now we just need some more stuff. One video-clip and a few fancy words
hardly makes a good website... 8^)

> > I can probably find it if I put in some effort. Free unlimitied net
access
> > at school... Yum, yum... 8^)
> Same at work... unofficially. Isn't great that surfing the web actually
> looks like work?

8^) Isn't life great?

> > > > Unfortunately I only have a few eps on tape, so can't hunt through
> them
> > in
> > > > search of more moves. It'd be nice if we could find a good bunch of
> > > them...
> > > I have even less on tape... I need those Season 1 and 2 box sets NOW!
> >
> > Yeah, if only I had the money to spend... 8^) Aren't the S1 & S2 box
sets
> > already out in NTSC version?
> They are, which means I need a NTSC-compatible video recorder, which then
> means I need a new tv...

Oops! ::slaps forehead:: Forgot you're from the UK... IIRC some VCRs can
play NTSC tapes on a PAL TV, e.g. convert the image... Anybody wanna buy me
one?

> > > Well, they're not 'hard' blocks - I'm thinking of 'The Furies' where
> Xena
> > is
> > > fighting Ares over her mother and they're just parrying the strikes.
> >
> > Can't really remember the details from that one. If it isn't Kung
Fu'ish,
> > what is it then? Home made? 8^)
> I guess it is Kung Fu'ish, they all looked like centre-clearing blocks, so
> maybe an essence of Wing Chun in there... Remember, a kick is a kick, a
> punch is a punch - and a block is a block ;-)

8^) I think I might have moved to the point where a kick is no longer a
kick, etc... Now I just have to get to where a kick is yet again a kick...
Hmmm, anybody know where that is? <g>

> > > However, in Chakram, when Xena et al are attacked in the market,
> Gabrielle
> > > does a 'hard' block (i.e. stops the opponents limb in it's tracks)
from
> > > behind a guy and boots him in the face. Incidentally, ROC looks very
> > > competent as a fighter. I know the fight scenes are choreograped, but
> > kudos
> > > to ROC for really looking the part, kudos to the stunt co-ordinater
and
> > > kudos to whoever trains the actos (more info, anyone?).

Read the interview with Peter Bell, the stunt coordinator on the show, from
the latest (I think) Xena Mag. Some kind soul e-mailed to me. A little
short, but good stuff... 8^)

> > Still being in S3, I'll take your word for it... 8^) Can't wait to see
> Gabs
> > get into some serious fighting though... Looking forward to the sai
> stuff...
> Sais=cool. Although I prefer the nunchaku (someone stole mine out of my
> car!). Yep, the new Gabs is a real eye-opener!

I usually try to stay away from spoilers, but i just /had/ to visit Tom's
Xena Page to see some pics of Gabs using her sai.. 8^)

Talked to my ninja-friend (Ninjutsu 5th dan black belt, so he practically is
a ninja) about the sai the other day. "It's a ridiculous weapon" was his
impulse. He then corrected himself to say that there's not really anything
wrong with the sai as a weapon. There are just so many weapons that are
better. He said that he'd for expample pick a staff over a pair of sai,
anyday. Just thought I'd bring you his opinion... Finally we agreed that one
of the big advantages of the sai is that it looks cool on TV... 8^)

I've actually thougt about taking up Ninjutsu as it would be interesting and
fun to learn to fight with various weapons. The training is pretty rough
though and I'm not really really fond of bruises and sore muscles...

> > Thanks... Very interesting reading... 8^)
> Ta! Share the info, that's what I say!

As someone sig goes: Share what you know, learn what you don't... 8^)

> > Ouch, my forearms are killing me... I guess we overdid it a little at
the
> > climbingwall last night...
> Are you sure it's not all this typing? Mind you, it beats handwriting!

LOL! Don't think so. It was the new campus-board that we just had try out at
the climbing club... 8^)


I think I need to cut back on the smileys...


Take care...

--
Lasse Makholm
- Founding member of TJASS (1.5 members now...)
- Collector of Whoosh-Counts (Counts & counters wanted...)
- Student of funky Xena-moves (Not /that/ kind of funky...

- Suffering from CRS (Compulsory Rewinding Syndrome)
- Still smiling... 8^)

Paul Hilling

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>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
>>Mike Kingscott <mi...@kingscott.f9.net.uk> wrote...

>>>Yeah, if only I had the money to spend... 8^) Aren't the S1 & S2 box
>>>sets already out in NTSC version?
>>They are, which means I need a NTSC-compatible video recorder, which
>>then means I need a new tv...
>Oops! ::slaps forehead:: Forgot you're from the UK... IIRC some VCRs can
>play NTSC tapes on a PAL TV, e.g. convert the image... Anybody wanna buy
>me one?

Gotta buy one myself first.

--
Paul Hilling

New to ATX? Read the FAQ @ http://www.bigfoot.com/~p.hilling/atx-faq.htm
[Paul's Gabby Grotto http://www.bigfoot.com/~p.hilling/xena.htm]

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however several billion electrons were abused to ensure its safe delivery.

Lasse Makholm

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Paul Hilling <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> >Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
> >>Mike Kingscott <mi...@kingscott.f9.net.uk> wrote...
>
> >>>Yeah, if only I had the money to spend... 8^) Aren't the S1 & S2 box
> >>>sets already out in NTSC version?
> >>They are, which means I need a NTSC-compatible video recorder, which
> >>then means I need a new tv...
> >Oops! ::slaps forehead:: Forgot you're from the UK... IIRC some VCRs can
> >play NTSC tapes on a PAL TV, e.g. convert the image... Anybody wanna buy
> >me one?
>
> Gotta buy one myself first.

Hey, wait a minute... I could actually do with just regular NTSC playback...
My gfx-card can grab both standards, and my monitor is bigger than my TV
anyway... 8^) Why didn't I think of this before.... Now I just have find the
money somewhere...

Paul Hilling

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>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
>>Paul Hilling <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote...
>>>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...

>>>Oops! ::slaps forehead:: Forgot you're from the UK... IIRC some VCRs
>>>can play NTSC tapes on a PAL TV, e.g. convert the image... Anybody
>>>wanna buy me one?

>>Gotta buy one myself first.
>Hey, wait a minute... I could actually do with just regular NTSC
>playback... My gfx-card can grab both standards, and my monitor is bigger
>than my TV anyway... 8^) Why didn't I think of this before.... Now I just
>have find the money somewhere...

Let me know when you find some, I have a air-ticket to Pasadena to book.
<bg>

Marcus Seeck

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On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:27:01 -0000, "Paul Hilling"
<p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
>>>Paul Hilling <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote...
>>>>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
>

>>>>Oops! ::slaps forehead:: Forgot you're from the UK... IIRC some VCRs
>>>>can play NTSC tapes on a PAL TV, e.g. convert the image... Anybody
>>>>wanna buy me one?

>>>Gotta buy one myself first.
>>Hey, wait a minute... I could actually do with just regular NTSC
>>playback... My gfx-card can grab both standards, and my monitor is bigger
>>than my TV anyway... 8^) Why didn't I think of this before.... Now I just
>>have find the money somewhere...
>
>Let me know when you find some, I have a air-ticket to Pasadena to book.
><bg>

you're going to Pasadena for the con?! great! :-)

Marcus.

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----------------------------------------------------------------
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Where life can't, this takes a little longer.
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Lasse Makholm

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Paul Hilling <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> >Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
> >>Paul Hilling <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote...
> >>>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
>
> >>>Oops! ::slaps forehead:: Forgot you're from the UK... IIRC some VCRs
> >>>can play NTSC tapes on a PAL TV, e.g. convert the image... Anybody
> >>>wanna buy me one?
> >>Gotta buy one myself first.
> >Hey, wait a minute... I could actually do with just regular NTSC
> >playback... My gfx-card can grab both standards, and my monitor is bigger
> >than my TV anyway... 8^) Why didn't I think of this before.... Now I just
> >have find the money somewhere...
>
> Let me know when you find some, I have a air-ticket to Pasadena to book.
> <bg>

You'll be the first to know... Well actually you'll be the second to know
'cause obviously I'll know before you 'cause I'll know when I find it but I
promise that you'll be the next in line to know unless of course I
accidently tell someone else first which I sure hope I don't 'cause then I'd
be like breaking my promise to you and I just don't think I could live with
myself if I did that 'cause I'm generally an allround nice guy and I usually
don't intend to offend anybody with anything though I might sometimes
accidentally do it anyway but then it'd be like not entirely my fault well
it would be my fault I guess but not on purpose anyway and stuff like that
am I making any sense at all?


--
Lasse Makholm
- Founding member of TJASS (1.5 members now...)
- Collector of Whoosh-Counts (Counts & counters wanted...)

- Student of funky Xena-moves (Not /that/ kind of funky...)

Paul Hilling

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>Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote...

>>"Paul Hilling" <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...

>>>Now I just have find the money somewhere...


>>Let me know when you find some, I have a air-ticket to Pasadena to book.
>><bg>

>you're going to Pasadena for the con?! great! :-)

If Lasse finds some money... Or something else comes through.

::fingers crossed::

Marcus Seeck

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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:53:41 -0000, "Paul Hilling"
<p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>>Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote...
>>>"Paul Hilling" <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
>
>>>>Now I just have find the money somewhere...
>>>Let me know when you find some, I have a air-ticket to Pasadena to book.
>>><bg>
>>you're going to Pasadena for the con?! great! :-)
>
>If Lasse finds some money... Or something else comes through.
>
>::fingers crossed::

oh, I thought the time for keeping your fingers crossed was already
over. If it helps, I'll also keep mine crosed for you. :-)

Lasse Makholm

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Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:53:41 -0000, "Paul Hilling"
> <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >>Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote...
> >>>"Paul Hilling" <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >>>>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
> >
> >>>>Now I just have find the money somewhere...
> >>>Let me know when you find some, I have a air-ticket to Pasadena to
book.
> >>><bg>
> >>you're going to Pasadena for the con?! great! :-)
> >
> >If Lasse finds some money... Or something else comes through.
> >
> >::fingers crossed::
>
> oh, I thought the time for keeping your fingers crossed was already
> over. If it helps, I'll also keep mine crosed for you. :-)

I would have too, but I'm busy looking for money... (in all the wrong
places)


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Lasse Makholm
- Founding member of TJASS (1.5 members now...)
- Collector of Whoosh-Counts (Counts & counters wanted...)

- Student of funky Xena-moves (Not /that/ kind of funky...)

Marcus Seeck

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On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:15:55 +0100, "Lasse Makholm"
<sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:

>
>Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote in message
>news:81f4um$f4h$2...@news05.btx.dtag.de...
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:53:41 -0000, "Paul Hilling"
>> <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote...
>> >>>"Paul Hilling" <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> >>>>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
>> >
>> >>>>Now I just have find the money somewhere...
>> >>>Let me know when you find some, I have a air-ticket to Pasadena to
>book.
>> >>><bg>
>> >>you're going to Pasadena for the con?! great! :-)
>> >
>> >If Lasse finds some money... Or something else comes through.
>> >
>> >::fingers crossed::
>>
>> oh, I thought the time for keeping your fingers crossed was already
>> over. If it helps, I'll also keep mine crosed for you. :-)
>
>I would have too, but I'm busy looking for money... (in all the wrong
>places)

Did you look under the sofa? behind the drawers of yopur desk? under
the warderobe? in your pockets? it's amazing the amount of money that
can be found in such places... <g>

Paul Hilling

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>Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote...
>>"Paul Hilling" <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote...
>>>Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote...

>>>you're going to Pasadena for the con?! great! :-)
>>If Lasse finds some money... Or something else comes through. ::fingers
>>crossed::
>oh, I thought the time for keeping your fingers crossed was already over.
>If it helps, I'll also keep mine crosed for you. :-)

Thanks....

--
Paul Hilling : Sitting waiting for the phone to ring.

Lasse Makholm

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Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:15:55 +0100, "Lasse Makholm"
> <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>
> >
> >Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> >news:81f4um$f4h$2...@news05.btx.dtag.de...
> >> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:53:41 -0000, "Paul Hilling"
> >> <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>Marcus Seeck <mse...@t-online.de> wrote...

> >> >>>"Paul Hilling" <p.hi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>Lasse Makholm <sp...@mail.tele.dk> wrote...
> >> >
> >> >>>>Now I just have find the money somewhere...
> >> >>>Let me know when you find some, I have a air-ticket to Pasadena to
> >book.
> >> >>><bg>
> >> >>you're going to Pasadena for the con?! great! :-)
> >> >
> >> >If Lasse finds some money... Or something else comes through.
> >> >
> >> >::fingers crossed::
> >>
> >> oh, I thought the time for keeping your fingers crossed was already
> >> over. If it helps, I'll also keep mine crosed for you. :-)
> >
> >I would have too, but I'm busy looking for money... (in all the wrong
> >places)
>
> Did you look under the sofa? behind the drawers of yopur desk? under
> the warderobe? in your pockets? it's amazing the amount of money that
> can be found in such places... <g>

Yup.... Unfortunately the amount isn't so amazing if you look too often...
8^)


--
Lasse Makholm
- Founding member of TJASS (1.5 members now...)
- Collector of Whoosh-Counts (Counts & counters wanted...)

- Student of funky Xena-moves (Not /that/ kind of funky...)

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