Anybody else a bit dubious???
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pretty handsome he is too, anybody else a bit dubious this could really be
the end of the X&G subtext and the irony being we have all worried about Jox
& Gabs and its his son that gets her. Makes me wonder a bit especially with
Lucy saying that X&G friendship would still be strong next year but that the
relationship is changing wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth.
Angela
Artemis
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Well... since Melinda Pappas is the descendant, we know that (at that
time) Solan wasn't going to do the 'deed' so I had actually been worried
about this since then (silly yeah, but still). Now we know that Eve,
Empress Livia will be kicking em out... I now worry about the Janice
Covington issue.... I always just hoped she was actually from Lila's line...
sigh, now the thought of her STILL (the threat) of being the Joxer line...
I need tissue...
<pout face... "hold me">
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>So honestly the route they are heading I would be STUNNED (happily) if they
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>I honestly can't remember even
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Ah . . but do we know Rob didn't buy it for her?
(don't hurt me ....)
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>pretty handsome he is too, anybody else a bit dubious this could really be
>the end of the X&G subtext and the irony being we have all worried about Jox
>& Gabs and its his son that gets her. Makes me wonder a bit especially with
>Lucy saying that X&G friendship would still be strong next year but that the
>relationship is changing wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth.
Is it for certain that "Virgil" is the son of Joxer and Meg? Remember that
MaryD first thought that J&M were going to be Eve's foster parents, though she
now says (which makes sense) that Octavian/Augustus will raise her. For all we
know, Virgil is meant to be the RenPics equivalent of P. Virgilius Maro
himself, who was after all a kind of court poet, or bard if your prefer, for
the real Augustus. As for subtext, I wouldn't worry yet. It's probably more
likely, if they decide season six is the last one, that they'll swing for the
seats, throw the long bomb, call it what you like, and go for maintext.
VO...@AOL.COM
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Wow so much to worry about, I thought maybe he could be intended for Eve but
if she is brought up by Joxer and Meg which I suspect still may happen then
that would be a bit sick. Oh well guess we will have to wait and see, it is
going to be so very interesting, if this is the last season then this would
be the one to go for broke and bring subtext into maintext but do any of us
really think TPTB have got the balls to do that?
Angela
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> : pretty handsome he is too, anybody else a bit dubious this could really
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> Jox
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> Well... since Melinda Pappas is the descendant, we know that (at that
> time) Solan wasn't going to do the 'deed' so I had actually been worried
> about this since then (silly yeah, but still). Now we know that Eve,
> Empress Livia will be kicking em out... I now worry about the Janice
> Covington issue.... I always just hoped she was actually from Lila's
line...
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: going to be so very interesting, if this is the last season then this
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: really think TPTB have got the balls to do that?
Um... no! <raising hand>
I watched a special recently dealing with this very subject matter on how
there "won't" be any "gay relationships" of a "deep" nature seen on
television. Will and Grace (and the others) get away with so much
(according to this special) because they are a comedy. But the big nono
isn't the viewers, the cast and crew, or even the networks... its the
sponsors. And when the sponsors pull, then the networks and well... trickle
down effect.
So honestly the route they are heading I would be STUNNED (happily) if they
even HINTED at ending the show on a kiss. I smell them setting up the
"future" selves here, karma and otherwise. By having Mattie and Harry hook
up I think they finally "gave" us what they "think" we wanted. And having
Gabby go off with a man (or at least some kind of "Hope" effect) to give JC
her lineage. After Antony and Cleo looks like Xena is missing her "male"
contact. (Sigh)
But this show does so many 90 degree turns every season (even a few 360's)
that anything I just said could change lol!
I think (IMHO) that Renee and a few of the "guest stars" are the only one
who vocalised before how "cool" it would be. I honestly can't remember even
hearing a rumour to the effect that Lucy would be for it. So who knows...
She does have that giant painting of Renee over her fireplace....
LOL! Anyone else think Lucy cancelled her appearances in NY because Rob
found out about her and Renee? (lol it's just a joke you can laugh)
Gail Futoran
Spoilers for what? An upcoming episode or season?
If would help if you'd provide some clues about what
you're spoiling below the spoiler spaces, so I can decide
whether or not to read your post. As it is, I decided not to
take a chance. I'm doing that an awful lot these days, not
just to your posts but to others who say "spoilers ahead!"
but don't give any clue about what is being spoiled.
Does that make sense?
I would send this in email but I would like it to be a general
head's up to all who include spoilers in a post.
Gail
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> there "won't" be any "gay relationships" of a "deep" nature seen on
> television. Will and Grace (and the others) get away with so much
> (according to this special) because they are a comedy. But the big nono
> isn't the viewers, the cast and crew, or even the networks... its the
> sponsors. And when the sponsors pull, then the networks and well...
trickle
> down effect.
You know thats really really sad and I really think that this would not
happen if the show was dependant on a UK audience, why are American
advertisers so far behind the times.
We have a prison program on here at the moment for example in the UK called
Bad Girls, one of the main stories in that is a love story between the
female governor and one of the female prisoners, it has been well built up
into a powerful love story. Bad Girls gets great ratings and sponsors don't
give a toss. It seems such a shame, I wonder how great Xena could have been
if it had not been for the all powerful American networks and sponsors.
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> So honestly the route they are heading I would be STUNNED (happily) if
they
> even HINTED at ending the show on a kiss. I smell them setting up the
> "future" selves here, karma and otherwise. By having Mattie and Harry
hook
> up I think they finally "gave" us what they "think" we wanted. And having
> Gabby go off with a man (or at least some kind of "Hope" effect) to give
JC
> her lineage. After Antony and Cleo looks like Xena is missing her "male"
> contact. (Sigh)
Oh no surely there must be got to be some kind of at least subtextual ending
to the show, even Orci and Kurtzman stated that the ending of the show must
affirm the G & X relationship in some way, also the way I read it Anthony
and Cleo still has plenty of subtext, maybe more than in a show with no red
shirt.
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> But this show does so many 90 degree turns every season (even a few 360's)
> that anything I just said could change lol!
Yes you are right they certainly keep us guessing.
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> I think (IMHO) that Renee and a few of the "guest stars" are the only one
> who vocalised before how "cool" it would be. I honestly can't remember
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> hearing a rumour to the effect that Lucy would be for it. So who knows...
> She does have that giant painting of Renee over her fireplace....
>
> LOL! Anyone else think Lucy cancelled her appearances in NY because Rob
> found out about her and Renee? (lol it's just a joke you can laugh)
Now wouldn't that be a blast.
Angela
Paul Hilling
>LOL! Anyone else think Lucy cancelled her appearances in NY because Rob
>found out about her and Renee? (lol it's just a joke you can laugh)
Haha. Here's a nasty thought for you. What about if Lucy's going to
Austin, Tx. To meet Reneé, Steve, MommaROC in a chapel.
ARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> Haha. Here's a nasty thought for you. What about if Lucy's going to
> Austin, Tx. To meet Reneé, Steve, MommaROC in a chapel.
Its a rouse.... Steve's just 'for show' like Rob is to Lucy... lol... yeah
yeah... :-P
I still wanna know why she cancelled all those appearences.
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Yep and so we are forced to watch utter "goodie goodie" sitcom crap...
or worse yet, the teen dramas. Sigh, I miss my tapes from across the
waters. And also since the ratings are falling here in the country that
fronts the bill for Xena, reguardless on how the rest of the world feels
about her, it will end if the show plummets too far. It could be #1
everywhere else... but since the American pulblic isnt watching then screw
the others... sigh...
> Oh no surely there must be got to be some kind of at least subtextual
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> to the show, even Orci and Kurtzman stated that the ending of the show
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> and Cleo still has plenty of subtext, maybe more than in a show with no
red
> shirt.
Oh there maybe one. But I doubt anything like we saw in Deja Vu. Sigh...
again... lets overthrow the show and make our own! :-P
ARTEMIS
www.inlink.com/~artemis
Artemis
around
> town? :::sigh::: A devout Xenite piglet's work is never done. Now what
will
> I do all week?
> Bo - Queen Piglet
Check airfare to LA? (insert 'pondering thought smiley')
LOL And let us know what she's up to!
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ARTEMIS
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Bohemia125
Because she'd heard that I was taking the week off of work to follow her around
town? :::sigh::: A devout Xenite piglet's work is never done. Now what will
I do all week?
Bo - Queen Piglet
"I don't doubt Gabrielle's willingness to die -- only Xena's willingness to
lose her." ~Athena in AUS
Digging dead Amazons...again!
AJ
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> > television. Will and Grace (and the others) get away with so much
> > (according to this special) because they are a comedy. But the big nono
> > isn't the viewers, the cast and crew, or even the networks... its the
> > sponsors. And when the sponsors pull, then the networks and well...
> trickle
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>
> happen if the show was dependant on a UK audience, why are American
> advertisers so far behind the times.
>
> Bad Girls, one of the main stories in that is a love story between the
> female governor and one of the female prisoners, it has been well built up
> into a powerful love story. Bad Girls gets great ratings and sponsors don't
> give a toss. It seems such a shame, I wonder how great Xena could have been
> if it had not been for the all powerful American networks and sponsors.
> >
> > So honestly the route they are heading I would be STUNNED (happily) if
> they
> > even HINTED at ending the show on a kiss. I smell them setting up the
> > "future" selves here, karma and otherwise. By having Mattie and Harry
> hook
> > up I think they finally "gave" us what they "think" we wanted. And having
> > Gabby go off with a man (or at least some kind of "Hope" effect) to give
> JC
> > her lineage. After Antony and Cleo looks like Xena is missing her "male"
> > contact. (Sigh)
>
> to the show, even Orci and Kurtzman stated that the ending of the show must
> affirm the G & X relationship in some way, also the way I read it Anthony
> and Cleo still has plenty of subtext, maybe more than in a show with no red
> shirt.
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> > that anything I just said could change lol!
>
> Yes you are right they certainly keep us guessing.
> >
> > I think (IMHO) that Renee and a few of the "guest stars" are the only one
> > who vocalised before how "cool" it would be. I honestly can't remember
> even
> > hearing a rumour to the effect that Lucy would be for it. So who knows...
> > She does have that giant painting of Renee over her fireplace....
> >
> > found out about her and Renee? (lol it's just a joke you can laugh)
>
>
> Angela
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OT.....There was a British production called "Portrait of a Marriage"
about Vita Sackville West and her love affair with a childhood friend.
I have looked virtually everywhere for a video tape or DVD of that
program without success. I have a tape of the show (homemade) but would
really like to get a professional copy. Do you know if such an item
exists?
AJ
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Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've
got. Janis Joplin
Angela Ms
have looked and longed for Portrait of a Marriage on video or dvd and no it
does not exist, and I have a multi region video and a multi region dvd. I
cooperate a lot with the BBC and there is no release but I do not even have
a taped copy so you are very very lucky. Wasn't it a great programe, I
still think there is a pretty good chance it will come out again on video
and if it does I will be sure to let you know.
There is a lot of great portrayals on lesbians on UK tv and before the 9.pm
watershed. All our soaps have convincing believable lesbians, even our teen
soap opera had one and most of our drams do another great one on recently
was called Playing the Field and it built the relationship up very nicely.
I do love Xena but just wish that it was not shown so early in the States
and that it didn't have the tag childrens program
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Artemis
: I do love Xena but just wish that it was not shown so early in the States
: and that it didn't have the tag childrens program
Er um...... Xena is shown at 3am here... and then again at 8 or 9pm on
saturdays depending on the sports programme before it. In most cases people
are LUCKY to get Xena on during primetime. It's been 7-wee hours of the
morning since the show began.
It was "dubbed" a children's programme (as was Herc before it) due to
the nature of the context with the fighting and costumes and such, but early
on it proved to parents and station owns that it wasn't made for kids
(Hercules moreso). Most of the children of my clients have never even heard
of Xena, the parent's have! lol When we were selling our home I had some of
my wallpaper up on the computer (lol - plug - found at the Mosaic room of
the URL link below) and everyone that walked through went "XENA!" made me
smile. Although explaining Xena to a 6 year old... well that's another
story.
Then again the kids here are either in some sports/school activity or
outside robbing homes and cars (there is no real happy medium) and they no
longer have time to watch television (only us geeky kids did that). Sigh...
lol lets all write Renpic...
Anyone else find it funny that Renee's nickname is Ren, and they started
calling the studios RENpic... hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... and about that
painting of Renee over the fireplace....
(lol sorry having a bit of fun with my own joke here - For a laugh read
Nyx's fanfic "Better Than Mehndi' on my Xena Scrolls site, lol she does a
parody about Lucy and Ren's relationship - all in fun might I add!)
Angela Ms
still being viewed as a kids program, this was recently addressed on Josh
Beckers web site, he said he viewed it as a childrens program and he's
directing the episodes.
I realise it is far from a childrens program and that most people into the
show are not kids, its the same in the UK but I feel that TPTB still in a
lot of ways view it as such, as do the program planners and they after all
have the say so on how the show goes.
Angela
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Hey......what about me??? I'll be there bright and early Monday morning!!
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AJ
>
> Aaaah now let me tell you a little story. I own a video search company and
> have looked and longed for Portrait of a Marriage on video or dvd and no it
> does not exist, and I have a multi region video and a multi region dvd. I
> cooperate a lot with the BBC and there is no release but I do not even have
> a taped copy so you are very very lucky. Wasn't it a great programe,
I still think there is a pretty good chance it will come out again on
video > and if it does I will be sure to let you know.
Thanks very much.
AJ
> There is a lot of great portrayals on lesbians on UK tv and before the 9.pm
> watershed. All our soaps have convincing believable lesbians, even our teen
> soap opera had one and most of our drams do another great one on recently
> was called Playing the Field and it built the relationship up very nicely.
>
ric...@eecs.berkeley.edu
> > > LOL! Anyone else think Lucy cancelled her appearances in NY
because Rob
> > > found out about her and Renee? (lol it's just a joke you can
laugh)
> > >
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Nah - it's 'cause he found out about her and Madeleine Albright
after watching that Politically Incorrect appearance :-)
More seriously - I hope she didn't get reined in by TPTB
for talking about gay stuff (both jokingly and seriously)
on that show...
Jean
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Before you buy.
Wende Nicholopoulos
>Artemis <art...@inlink.com> wrote
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>> the big nono isn't the viewers, the cast and crew, or even the
>> networks... its the sponsors. And when the sponsors pull, then the
>> networks and well...trickle down effect.
>You know thats really really sad and I really think that this would not
>happen if the show was dependant on a UK audience, why are American
>advertisers so far behind the times.
It's my understanding that American advertisers take their cues from the
American public. Their raison d'être is to sell and profit.
Unfortunately, at this point in our so-called development, the American
public are largely short sighted, narrow minded, bigoted to a gross
degree, and where it comes to homosexuality, rabidly fearful of being
branded as queer themselves, and deprived by their "own kind" of
livelihood, limb, or life at the slightest sign of tolerance or support
for the g/l/b community.
That's not to say advertisers are blameless--they propagate the disease
by sidestepping issues and refusing to offend the numerous faceless
bigots, racists, and homophobes standing at the ready with fists full of
cash to buy what they sell. It's the proverbial "vicious cycle," and
it's all to do with money. Prejudice, intolerance, bigotry and the like
in the UK is tied to money as well, but British culture and the basis of
British economics are different to American, so the money motive
manifests itself differently there.
That said, I agree that a lesbian subtext in a fantasy program would
very likely fly on British television, and would probably even be
allowed to evolve quite without malicious intervention :) into
"maintext." Not because British advertisers are more enlightened than
their yank counterparts, but because the British public are slightly
less fearful of homosexuality than *their* yank counterparts. Why that
is the way it is is anyone's theory, but IMO it has less to do with
superior British culture and more to do with superior British capacity
to classify people and things into proper place.
>We have a prison program on here at the moment for example in the UK called
>Bad Girls, one of the main stories in that is a love story between the
>female governor and one of the female prisoners, it has been well built up
>into a powerful love story. Bad Girls gets great ratings and sponsors don't
>give a toss.
They might do if Bad Girls was called Mischievous Lasses, its characters
bunged into the middle of Holland Park and presented to the public as
representative of British haut monde. After all, prison *is* the
"proper" (ie, safest) place to keep queers, if queers are to be kept. ;)
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Wende
wm...@yahoo.com
Wende Nicholopoulos
>Well in a nutshell, I spend up to 4 months of the year in america although I
>live in the UK and I have never been scared or ashamed to admit my sexuality
>in the UK but I have in the US maybe that really says it all, and it is not
>just prison programs that have strong depiction of lesbianism in the UK but
>that is the one I like the build up of the romance, also it is not just the
>UK that seems more open minded but Europe in general and maybe Australia and
>NZ too.
I'm sorry--I didn't mean to come across like a huge Anglophobe. I was
raised and educated in the UK, which should go a long way towards
explaining the barge pole I sometimes seem to have lodged up my
backside. :) Except for the "misunderstanding" regarding my comment on
the prison show, :) we seem to be in agreement--our public are less
receptive to homosexuality than your public. However, in my experience,
London is hardly Amsterdam, and the rest of the country is lagging far
behind what I consider to be reasonable recognition of homosexuality as
a fact of life.
Regarding your hesitation to be out in the US, I don't know your
situation, but might it have to do with the region of the country you
stop in during your stay? Although cosmically speaking, we're all still
dragging knuckle, some areas show reasonable progress towards
civilization while others are still squatting round communal fires
roasting bits of their neighbors and picking fleas off their wives.
Regarding the rest of Europe, AU, and NZ, you're entirely right. NZ has
an especially progressive government and national mindset. They were
the first country to grant voting rights to women, they've managed to
stay nuclear free, and they have no qualms at all about making rude
noises and gestures at the rest of the world (US especially included)
and suggesting it get stuffed. Excellent lot, with a major pair. As we
speak, they're probably working out how to leave the planet without
attracting attention. ;)
--
Wende
wm...@yahoo.com
Angela Ms
live in the UK and I have never been scared or ashamed to admit my sexuality
in the UK but I have in the US maybe that really says it all, and it is not
just prison programs that have strong depiction of lesbianism in the UK but
that is the one I like the build up of the romance, also it is not just the
UK that seems more open minded but Europe in general and maybe Australia and
NZ too.
Angela
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Angela Ms
the middle of the country nowhere near London and I encounter no prejudice
in fact Manchester is one of the real centres of gay culture, we had a
programe Queer as Folk set in Manchester which was a big tv hit, not just
marginalised.
By the way though London has a pretty pretty big scene, the biggest gay
pride in Europe, the Mardi Gras is now a two week event, and great it is
too.
Things have changed a great deal it is no legal to be in the armed forces
and gay, prejudice is going in whole country, it is very heartening it will
never be perfect but its a lot better.
You are right about America, I have travelled extensively, areas of definite
discomfort were South and North Carolina, Texas (cetain places) Memphis,
Nashville.
It seems the tolerance level increases towards the coasts, California,
Florida, New York very strange.
I leave for Washington on Wednesday and am attending the big Equality Rocks
gig and the march on Washington, it will be great, strength in numbers etc
and great for America to see how powerful and visible community we really
are, if only those networks and advertisers would take note.
Wende Nicholopoulos <add...@signature.line> wrote in message
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> Angela Ms wrote:
>
> >Well in a nutshell, I spend up to 4 months of the year in america
although I
> >live in the UK and I have never been scared or ashamed to admit my
sexuality
> >in the UK but I have in the US maybe that really says it all, and it is
not
> >just prison programs that have strong depiction of lesbianism in the UK
but
> >that is the one I like the build up of the romance, also it is not just
the
> >UK that seems more open minded but Europe in general and maybe Australia
and
> >NZ too.
>
Artemis
Angela Ms <nr...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> You are right about America, I have travelled extensively, areas of
definite
> discomfort were South and North Carolina, Texas (cetain places) Memphis,
> Nashville.
This is called the BIBLE BELT... from the DEEP south (where you were)
through to the Rockies is an area of farming land and smaller cities (I am
in the heart of it called St. Louis). This is why you experienced problems.
If you would have been in bigger midwest/eastern cities like St. Louis,
Chicago (not recommended), Indy, etc... you would have found tollerance.
> It seems the tolerance level increases towards the coasts, California,
> Florida, New York very strange.
These are more ethnic diversed lands, not farming or bible thumping small
backwater areas. Personally I didn't see Florida as being more open than
St. Louis (from my stay there when I lived there for a few months), but Cal
and NY are definately where "its at" here. But you couldn't pay me to live
there, don't want to sacrifice one thing for another.
> I leave for Washington on Wednesday and am attending the big Equality
Rocks
> gig and the march on Washington, it will be great, strength in numbers etc
> and great for America to see how powerful and visible community we really
> are, if only those networks and advertisers would take note.
DC has one third the gay clubs that St. Louis does. We had a helava time
finding one. We finally talked to a bookstore in their triangle district
and they said there is only two lesbian bars and only ONE sole lesbian bar!?
In "DC"?! That was my reaction. St. Louis has 5 and we are a third the
size. Also in America.. ALL of the gay nightclubs are in the WORST of
neighbourhoods. I do not get that. St. Louis has a very dangerous side to
it and this is where the clubs are all based (not the straight clubs mind
you). May as well paint targets on our backs as well! :-P But St. Louis
has three area's (in VERY nice places) that are gay friendly/gay populated.
Our biggest is the Central West End/the Loop/and Clayton (a city). And yet
all of the clubs are in old warehouse run down 'don't drive and leave your a
car there' type of places.
On the flip side, we have an entire city across the river that is JUST
clubs. The entire town is all night life, but it's a drive and not too
responsible if you are planning on drinking until closing at 6am.
Okay thought I should explain this country - I know it makes no sense, but I
have been everywhere and seriously, NO WHERE is perfect. :-) Lol next time
you are in the States, come to St. Louis or Cali, or NY... stay AWAY from
Nashville, and the deep south. Surprised you weren't hurt. These are
places that people still want slaves. Home of the KKK, and Nazi America.
I'm Scottish and I wouldn't be caught dead there.
ARTEMIS
www.inlink.com/~artemis
Angela Ms
full, even if that includes walking around the deep south in a Melissa
Etheridge T-shirt you should have seen some of the looks I got.
Don't worry I do know about the Bible Belt but isn't it annoying these are
the people dictating all our lives, influencing tv planners, programmers etc
deciding what we watch making sure nothing too controversial creeps on.
I usually spend my time in California or Florida don't worry I know the US
is a continent rather than a mere country and as such full of much
diversity.
Well was hoping for a few more gay clubs in Washington than that oh well I
will be with lots of friends so we will all find something to do.
St Louis sounds nice thanks for explaining things, and rest assured the deep
south is now off limits.
Angela
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Jen
>mmm lol I know, I know, but I like to see everything and experience life in
>full, even if that includes walking around the deep south in a Melissa
>Etheridge T-shirt you should have seen some of the looks I got.
I've worn Melissa, kd, and Indigo Girl shirts in the Dallas area of Texas
without any problems. I do agree that we still have a long way to go (I still
draw the line at actual rainbow decals on my little truck), but that is a
personal thing as well as a practical precaution.
Yes, this is still the Bible Belt. I stopped going to church for two reasons:
one, I was angry at the "if you're gay don't fall in love and you'll be almost
okay" attitude and two, the attitude that after I turned 25 many years ago,
that since I wasn't married with children that I was of no use to the church.
Nice rant for Easter Sunday, eh?
Jen
"But damn it, most humans do discriminate against our sort." Friday, by Robert
A. Heinlein
Angela Ms
Melissa there very nice city, I wasn't really talking about Dallas was
talking more about in the sticks.
I know what you mean I stopped going to church too for much the same reasons
and why not rant on Easter Sunday its the perfect day to rant don you think?
Angela
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Tigerlily
Bohemia125 <bohem...@aol.com.oink> wrote in message
> Jen and Angela wrote...
> spirituality, have you ever visited a Unitarian Universalist "Church"? My
gf
> and I showed up at the local one on a lark and were immediately drawn into
the
> congregation -- a very small, lay-led group with a part time minister.
The
> denomination is extremely liberal on both domestic and international
causes.
> When the congregation found out that we were both Latina as well, they
couldn't
> believe their luck! It's a diversity thing, I know, and though I'm poking
fun
> at my congregation, it is a safe and open place. And that's in a somewhat
> rural, lower upstate (yes there's such a thing) New York area. We've met
some
> wonderful people and our minister and his wife are avid Xena fans. <g>
In
> fact, the wife (a devout trekkie) was the one who gave us the ins and outs
on
> how to attend a Cremation Convention. <bg> And our minister keeps
encouraging
> us to lead a presentation on the spirituality in XWP!
>
I know someone who goes to that kind of church, but he goes to one in
Brooklyn.