Mulder being a jerk
LMControl
I think this is all about leading up to next week and the movie.
Just as CC said, this season is all a "big trailer' for the movie.
Bollistic
> also.. did anyone notice when S said "InTREgal" instead of "INtregal"?
You mean as in Acura Intrega?
I liked Mulders disgust at being the *monster boy*--a kind of Dirty
Harry of the paranormal.
--
Dave
Pangaeus
Folie a Deux spoilers
Anyone else noticed in this ep how his assholeyness really shined through in
this episode? I mean, what is she, his secretary?? The whole looking through
all the files was asked demandingly, unappreciatively and then signing her up
for an autopsy when she had said no already (forget the fact he was right, ok
:-P ) Something must be keeping her there- if I had a co-worker like that,
I'd leave!
Teddi Litman
In article <199805110252...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
pang...@aol.com (Pangaeus) wrote:
Huh?!!!! He thought they were being sent on a garbage assignment and he
felt it wasn't worth wasting her time. As soon as he realized there was more
to the assignment, he asked for her help. When he asked her to look up the
file, he didn't even just hint he appreciated her...he said it!!! "I
appreciate it." He called her his "one in five billion" and it wasn't just
a line; he really and truely meant. How many of us ever get to be someone's
"one in five billion?"
Teddi
Woodinat
>Subject: Re: Mulder being a jerk
>From: Teddi Litman <dayb...@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Sun, May 10, 1998 23:28 EDT
>Message-id: <6j5r7e$o...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>
>Huh?!!!! He thought they were being sent on a garbage assignment and he
>felt it wasn't worth wasting her time. As soon as he realized there was more
>to the assignment, he asked for her help. When he asked her to look up the
>file, he didn't even just hint he appreciated her...he said it!!! "I
>appreciate it." He called her his "one in five billion" and it wasn't just
>a line; he really and truely meant. How many of us ever get to be someone's
>"one in five billion?"
> Teddi
Not only that, Scully was very unprofessional for not doing the autopsy. From
what I understand, you always do an autopsy, even when the cause of death is
obvious. They autopsy people who have been executed, fer crying out loud.
Woodinat
GeoRed
In article <6j5r7e$o...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, Teddi Litman
<dayb...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>>Anyone else noticed in this ep how his assholeyness really shined through
>in
>>this episode? I mean, what is she, his secretary?? The whole looking
>through
>>all the files was asked demandingly, unappreciatively and then signing her
>up
>>for an autopsy when she had said no already (forget the fact he was right,
>ok
>>:-P ) Something must be keeping her there- if I had a co-worker like
>that,
>>I'd leave!
>
> Huh?!!!! He thought they were being sent on a garbage assignment and he
>felt it wasn't worth wasting her time. As soon as he realized there was more
>to the assignment, he asked for her help. When he asked her to look up the
>file, he didn't even just hint he appreciated her...he said it!!! "I
>appreciate it." He called her his "one in five billion" and it wasn't just
>a line; he really and truely meant. How many of us ever get to be someone's
>"one in five billion?"
> Teddi
Thank you, Teddi.....I am glad to see that someone still is watching
objectively.
Heidi
::::::::with head in hands, rocking slowly::::::::::
"It just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter."
<Mulder: He's not just lean.......he's cuisine.>
Bethers66
>Anyone else noticed in this ep how his assholeyness really shined through in
>this episode? I mean, what is she, his secretary??
I agree.... I thought that in "Never Again" we saw clarification between M&S as
to "Superior status"...etc...when M had to take a mandatory vacation (we're
going to Graceland, Graceland, Memphis Tennessee) and said:
"You'll be here to take care of things 'for me' ".
and S said: "You make it sound like you're my superior"
After his "orders" to her tonight, I *really* would have expected her to say
SOMETHING about this.
also.. did anyone notice when S said "InTREgal" instead of "INtregal" ?
........your DICTIONARY, Miss. Anderson.......?
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Sickleweed
: Anyone else noticed in this ep how his assholeyness really shined through in
: this episode? I mean, what is she, his secretary?? The whole looking through
: all the files was asked demandingly, unappreciatively and then signing her up
: for an autopsy when she had said no already (forget the fact he was right, ok
: :-P ) Something must be keeping her there- if I had a co-worker like that,
: I'd leave!
Hmm, I really didn't get that. Actually, for the most part, I thought
Mulder was at his LEAST "assholeyness" in this ep. Only part I would say
could manage to pass for his being a jerk is when he made Scully do that
autopsy even tho she clearly said no (and I can almost see the thought
bubble with the words "Damn him" hanging over her head during the scene
when Skinner told her about it). But otherwise, he was actually at one
of his most considerate times. He told her she was right, let her know
he appreciated her hard work, asked her for help, and basically confessed
how important her opinion was to him. Of course you can say he was on
his best behavior so that he can manipulate her into believing what he
was saying, but I truly doubt that was the case. I dunno, I thought he
was being mighty sweet. So sweet in fact that in the end, when she
wouldn't admit to him that what she saw was in fact the real thing, I had to
shake my head a little at Scully for her stubbornness.
--
Sickleweed
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"Y'know, his fly's undone." --Scully
"Are you insinuating something?" --Mulder
"If you could work the phrase -Rat's Ass- in there, you'd
have it." --Niles Crane
"Oooooh, that's gotta hurt!" --Ash
"There is no cause for alarm...but there probably will be."--Brain
"You're really enjoying this aren't you, you sick
bastard..." --Bill McNeal
"This son of a bitch is really beginning to irk me." --Lucas Buck
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AnimalLgic
An outraged Pangaeus fumed:
>Anyone else noticed in this ep how his assholeyness really shined through in
>this episode? I mean, what is she, his secretary?
No, his wife.
Mark
<Your Real Name>
You will notice that Mulder was being an asshole at the begining of the
episode but.....Skully wasn't exactly being supportive of him. She thought
he was crazy..... just like the rest of them! When she actually saw the
insect/alien creature herself she had to believe him then. Just the look on
Mulder's face when she saw it melted most of his assholeness. Mulder
wouldn't care if nobody else believed him as long as Skully did.
As for Fox ordering Dana around.... well they are "work" partners after all
and sometimes you have to be "all business" with your co-workers.
umb
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>You will notice that Mulder was being an asshole at the begining of the
>episode but.....Skully ....
SCULLY!
S-C-U-L-L-Y!!!!!
SCULLY! Godammit! SCULLY!
Sister Terri
"Keep it up, Mulder, and I'll hurt you like that beast woman."
"Mulder, would you do me a favor? Would you smell Mr. Jarvis?"
Proud To Be ~ GABAL ~OBSSE
Thepeacock
>Something must be keeping her there- if I had a co-worker like that,
>I'd leave!
I wrote:
but he's Hot!
Audrey
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In <6j5r7e$o...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Teddi Litman <dayb...@ix.netcom.com>
writes:
> Huh?!!!! He thought they were being sent on a garbage assignment and he
>felt it wasn't worth wasting her time. As soon as he realized there was more
>to the assignment, he asked for her help. When he asked her to look up the
>file, he didn't even just hint he appreciated her...he said it!!! "I
>appreciate it." He called her his "one in five billion" and it wasn't just
>a line; he really and truely meant. How many of us ever get to be someone's
>"one in five billion?"
Given Scully's distaste for "waste of time cases" I'm at a bit of a loss
as to why he's being portrayed as the bad guy for "ditching her" at the
beginning of the episode. I think 'Never Again' might actually have
taught him a lesson in this regard. If Scully had felt her presence was
necessary she would have gone. She is afterall capable of making the
decision.
You astutely pointed out that Mulder actually verbalized his appreciation
for the work Scully was doing. How can that be regarded as "punkish"? He
comes to realize that his initial assessment of the case was wrong and he
realizes he needs her help. How is that "punkish"?
By the time the hostage situation has been resolved it's important to
note that we're dealing with a different Mulder. This Mulder is scared
shitless that he's losing his mind and is trying everything in his power to
prove otherwise. He spends the entire night at work grasping at what I
think even he realizes are sanity straws and he practically begs Scully to
do an autopsy to prove to him as well as her that he's not crazy. Her
refusal to help him prompts him to go off the deep end.
This brings us to the autopsy, the only bit of behaviour that I would
consider calling "punkish". I would however like to provide an alternative
explanation for things. Prior to her meeting with Skinner, how would Scully
even know that an autopsy had been scheduled for her to perform (Mulder
wasn't about to tell her) ? In fact, the only reason she met with Skinner
at all was because Mulder's behaviour was concerning folks in Chicago.
Perhaps Mulder scheduled an autopsy under the impression that someone else
would handle it. Skinner, seeing that an autopsy was scheduled in a case
assigned to Mulder naturally assumes that Scully is the one assigned to
do the post mortem. I don't have a count, but how many times has Scully done
an autopsy with the help of a second pathologist? His presence might
indicate that Scully wasn't even supposed to be there. Go figure.
$0.02
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GregSerl
>From: Teddi Litman <dayb...@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Sun, May 10, 1998 23:28 EDT
>Message-id: <6j5r7e$o...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>
>
>
> Huh?!!!! He thought they were being sent on a garbage assignment and he
>felt it wasn't worth wasting her time. As soon as he realized there was more
>to the assignment, he asked for her help. When he asked her to look up the
>file, he didn't even just hint he appreciated her...he said it!!!
>"I
>appreciate it." He called her his "one in five billion" and it wasn't just
>a line; he really and truely meant. How many of us ever get to be someone's
>"one in five billion?"
Most of this is justification for Mulder's behavior, which isn't really
necessary or the point for me. Mulder has been a jerk on numrerous occasions
so I didn't see it as anything new. He's self-absorbed, obsessed,
single-minded (depending on what goverment lackey sets him up for his new *new*
obsession) and the same motivations or a variation of them is why he's so into
porn. As long as he can make a fist, he'll always have the same "five sisters"
for lovers. He doesn't have to please someone else when he's masturbating.
He's reached the Ricard Jeni summit "I'm the best I ever had! I was all over
myself." In other words, I had no problem with Mulder's "jerkdom" he's more
or less always had the attitude of "I do what I want and you do what I say" but
it was on Scully to react to this, and she did not.
I was disappointed in Scully. If she felt she should have gone with Mulder on
that assignment, regardless of his reasons for not wanting her to go, then she
should have called him on it, made her point of view known. Scully standing
there doing a fish market cod impersonation watching Mulder trot off as we fade
the scene is getting old. I'd have loved when he called for that obscure file
information if Scully said "sorry, I've got a date. Until you can think of the
file name or something more useful, I don't have time for this." There is a
difference between a saint and a doormat. One has a halo and one has 'welcome'
stenciled across it. As long as she's willing to be walked on, he'll walk on
her, and that does make her one in five billion, but not necessarily a good
thing.
Dahlak
Konrad Douglas Frye wrote:
>
> This brings us to the autopsy, the only bit of behaviour that I would
> consider calling "punkish". I would however like to provide an alternative
> explanation for things. Prior to her meeting with Skinner, how would Scully
> even know that an autopsy had been scheduled for her to perform (Mulder
> wasn't about to tell her) ? In fact, the only reason she met with Skinner
> at all was because Mulder's behaviour was concerning folks in Chicago.
> Perhaps Mulder scheduled an autopsy under the impression that someone else
> would handle it. Skinner, seeing that an autopsy was scheduled in a case
> assigned to Mulder naturally assumes that Scully is the one assigned to
> do the post mortem. I don't have a count, but how many times has Scully done
> an autopsy with the help of a second pathologist? His presence might
> indicate that Scully wasn't even supposed to be there. Go figure.
Interesting theory.
Though if she wasn't supposed to be there, that would mean that
she took over someone else's autopsy in order to NOT do it
herself.
I thought the second pathologist(?)/helper was there for
two reasons. First, in real life, there would be an attendant to
help with the exam[1]. Second, he advanced the plot by noticing
the advanced decomposition of the body. After all, if Scully
herself had noticed, she may have been forced to do something...
like an autopsy.
[1] I only know this because I once read "Routine Autopsy..." at
http://www.neosoft.com/~uthman/Autop.html
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xfans2 wrote:
>
> @worldchat.com> < wrote in message <6j74ta$728$1...@news1.worldchat.com>...
> >You will notice that Mulder was being an asshole at the begining of the
> >episode but.....Skully ....
>
> SCULLY!
>
> S-C-U-L-L-Y!!!!!
>
> SCULLY! Godammit! SCULLY!
Now, if you could only get Eric Cartman to read those lines ...
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KClem
I'd have loved when he called for that obscure file
> information if Scully said "sorry, I've got a date. Until you can think of the
> file name or something more useful, I don't have time for this." There is a
> difference between a saint and a doormat. One has a halo and one has
'welcome'
> stenciled across it.
Except, that she is at work! Just because she didn't travel to the
assignment with him doesn't mean she can't or shouldn't do her job! Her
job, is to solve cases - Mulder was doing his from Illinois, she was doing
hers from D.C.! Notice that FBI badge that she wears while AT WORK?!
This isn't a personal relationship (although some aspects of their's might
be, but they never let it interfere with their work!). I don't think
Mulder was being a jerk, nor do I think Scully was being a doormat!
--
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In article <199805111420...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
anima...@aol.com (AnimalLgic) wrote:
>An outraged Pangaeus fumed:
>
>>Anyone else noticed in this ep how his assholeyness really shined through
in
>>this episode? I mean, what is she, his secretary?
>
>No, his wife.
>
>Mark
>
>
No, the junior agent. Sorry, but all of us get crap from our superiors once
in a while. Unless we're in a "relationship" with them. Awaiting flames now.
bliss
<bowing deeply to Heidi and Teddi> I am not worthy.
geo...@aol.com (GeoRed) wrote:
>In article <6j5r7e$o...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, Teddi Litman
><dayb...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>>>Anyone else noticed in this ep how his assholeyness really shined through
>>in
>>>this episode? I mean, what is she, his secretary?? The whole looking
>>through
>>>all the files was asked demandingly, unappreciatively and then signing her
>>up
>>>for an autopsy when she had said no already (forget the fact he was right,
>>ok
>>>:-P ) Something must be keeping her there- if I had a co-worker like
>>that,
>>>I'd leave!
>>
>> Huh?!!!! He thought they were being sent on a garbage assignment and he
>>felt it wasn't worth wasting her time. As soon as he realized there was more
>>to the assignment, he asked for her help. When he asked her to look up the
>>file, he didn't even just hint he appreciated her...he said it!!! "I
>>appreciate it." He called her his "one in five billion" and it wasn't just
>>a line; he really and truely meant. How many of us ever get to be someone's
>>"one in five billion?"
bubbela
KClem wrote:
>
>GregSerl wrote:
> I'd have loved when he called for that obscure file
> > information if Scully said "sorry, I've got a date. Until you can think of the
> > file name or something more useful, I don't have time for this." There is a
> > difference between a saint and a doormat. One has a halo and one has
> 'welcome'
> > stenciled across it.
>
> Except, that she is at work! Just because she didn't travel to the
> assignment with him doesn't mean she can't or shouldn't do her job! Her
> job, is to solve cases - Mulder was doing his from Illinois, she was doing
> hers from D.C.! Notice that FBI badge that she wears while AT WORK?!
> This isn't a personal relationship (although some aspects of their's might
> be, but they never let it interfere with their work!). I don't think
> Mulder was being a jerk, nor do I think Scully was being a doormat!
>
She shouldn't have to be cajoled or flattered into doing one, and she
doesn't do them out of loyalty or love or anything else -- it's part of
her job. Refusing to do an autopsy on a murder victim because Mulder
didn't ask her nicely, or because she didn't want to feed the delusions
of a dead man (I couldn't decide which reason it really was supposed to
be), are the lamest excuses the writers have ever given Scully for
resisting getting involved in an investigation.
-- bubbela
Earl Young
Albeit an "intrusive" act, you must remember that you are not talking
about the local Barney Phifer in redneck land. The FBI, DEA, and any
other governmental agencies have the "right" to epscond any material
pertaining to a case, be it a car, home, or loved one. All that has to
be there is suspicion, not a "smoking gun".
Hank wrote:
> Rumor has it that bubbela put forth the following:
>
> >Amen! Doing autopsies is *also* part of what Scully does for a
> living.
> >She shouldn't have to be cajoled or flattered into doing one, and she
>
> >doesn't do them out of loyalty or love or anything else -- it's part
> of
> >her job. Refusing to do an autopsy on a murder victim because Mulder
>
> >didn't ask her nicely, or because she didn't want to feed the
> delusions
> >of a dead man (I couldn't decide which reason it really was supposed
> to
> >be), are the lamest excuses the writers have ever given Scully for
> >resisting getting involved in an investigation.
>
> On the other hand, performing an autopsy should not be carried out on
> a whim. It's very intrusive (obviously), and often requires the
> permission of the family. Scully's the expert, as you point out. Is
> she supposed to jump at Mulder's every whim in these matters? Hell, if
>
> she gave into him here quickly, she'd be setting a bad precedent IMO.
>
> Dammit, Quincy never performed autopsies just because a friend of his
> thought the dead person was in fact a giant gnat or something, now did
>
> he? ;-)
>
> --
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>
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DMA
In article <355beec4...@nntp.netcruiser>,
ah...@garbage.ix.netcom.com says...
>On the other hand, performing an autopsy should not be carried
out on
>a whim. It's very intrusive (obviously), and often requires the
>permission of the family. Scully's the expert, as you point out. Is
>she supposed to jump at Mulder's every whim in these matters?
Hell, if
>she gave into him here quickly, she'd be setting a bad precedent
IMO.
That precedent was set during ohhhh, about episode three.
Maybe she shouldn't jump at Mulder's every whim, and maybe
she thought this was her chance to take a stand, but once she
looked at that body, and it looked like it had been dead for 3 days
and not 1, shouldn't she have actually DONE THE AUTOPSY??
And the whole "giving in to the delusions of a madman" excuse for
not doing the autopsy was utter crap as well. What she didn't want
to do was give in to Mulder? But why the heck not? Especially after
Mulder admitted that he had seen this "thing" too. After all the
genetic mutants and mothmen and sewerdwellers they'd
encountered, why would she suddenly scoff at THIS assignment?
Especially when it was one that her partner obviously has a
personal stake in? She didn't climb on board until he was in
restraints? What took her so long THIS time?
I really loved this episode on the whole, but Scully's behavior, and
her supposed reasoning behind it, were just ridiculous. (Blame the
writer, I guess)
But I would LOVE to read her report on the incident, wouldn't you?
rosco...@yahoo.com
On 12 May 1998, DMA wrote:
> In article <355beec4...@nntp.netcruiser>,
> ah...@garbage.ix.netcom.com says...
> >On the other hand, performing an autopsy should not be carried
> out on
> >a whim. It's very intrusive (obviously), and often requires the
> >permission of the family. Scully's the expert, as you point out. Is
> >she supposed to jump at Mulder's every whim in these matters?
> Hell, if
> >she gave into him here quickly, she'd be setting a bad precedent
> IMO.
>
> That precedent was set during ohhhh, about episode three.
>
> Maybe she shouldn't jump at Mulder's every whim, and maybe
> she thought this was her chance to take a stand, but once she
> looked at that body, and it looked like it had been dead for 3 days
> and not 1, shouldn't she have actually DONE THE AUTOPSY??
Have people forgotten the reason autopsies are done. They are to
find the cause of death. It was obvious he died from gun shot wounds
the autopsy was not necessary. As for the time of death Scully,
the expert, said time of death is always hard to determine and
since the killer had been caught it is completely irrelevant so
there is no need to go any futher the case was closed.
> And the whole "giving in to the delusions of a madman" excuse for
> not doing the autopsy was utter crap as well. What she didn't want
> to do was give in to Mulder? But why the heck not? Especially after
> Mulder admitted that he had seen this "thing" too. After all the
> genetic mutants and mothmen and sewerdwellers they'd
> encountered, why would she suddenly scoff at THIS assignment?
> Especially when it was one that her partner obviously has a
> personal stake in? She didn't climb on board until he was in
> restraints? What took her so long THIS time?
>
I think the writers have pretty much establish the fact that if
Scully doesn't see it she ain't gonna believe it. To me it made
the story more suspenseful that it took Scully a while and thus
creating a great episode.
> I really loved this episode on the whole, but Scully's behavior, and
> her supposed reasoning behind it, were just ridiculous. (Blame the
> writer, I guess)
The writers did a hell of a job in this episode. Her reasons in relationship
to her character as I understand it made sense.
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In <355beec4...@nntp.netcruiser> ah...@garbage.ix.netcom.com (Hank) writes:
>On the other hand, performing an autopsy should not be carried out on
>a whim. It's very intrusive (obviously), and often requires the
>permission of the family. Scully's the expert, as you point out. Is
>she supposed to jump at Mulder's every whim in these matters? Hell, if
>she gave into him here quickly, she'd be setting a bad precedent IMO.
True, but Skinner didn't even question the need for a post mortem. At the
very least, he didn't think it was an unusual request.
GregSerl
>From: kcle...@concentric.net (KClem)
>Date: Mon, May 11, 1998 19:58 EDT
>Message-id: <kclem123-110...@ts002d12.ryb-nh.concentric.net>
I wrote:
> I'd have loved when he called for that obscure file
>> information if Scully said "sorry, I've got a date. Until you can think of
>the
>> file name or something more useful, I don't have time for this."
you wrote:
>Except, that she is at work! Just because she didn't travel to the
>assignment with him doesn't mean she can't or shouldn't do her job! Her
>job, is to solve cases - Mulder was doing his from Illinois, she was doing
>hers from D.C.! Notice that FBI badge that she wears while AT WORK?!
>This isn't a personal relationship (although some aspects of their's might
>be, but they never let it interfere with their work!). I don't think
>Mulder was being a jerk, nor do I think Scully was being a doormat!
>
It doesn't matter if Scully was at work, she's not Mulder's secretary.
Suppose instead she had said "well, since you didn't want me on this case,
Skinner gave me another one, so, I don't have hours to devote to looking up
your obscure reference." There ya go, she's still at work sporting her cool
FBI badge ID and she still can flip off Mulder and have it all be perfectly
legit. She doesn't mean to be a doormat, she's just written that way.
Get a day off, and I just run amok on the newsgroup.
Pukagoat
umm, i don't know about every state, but most states, most countries, infact do
at least a cursory autopsy when a person dies of anything, but natural causes.
suisides, drive-by-shootings, drug over doeses. anything that isn't apperently
natureal...three gun shot wounds to the chest is NOT natural.... at least not
in my workld.
jen!>> In article <355beec4...@nntp.netcruiser>,
>> ah...@garbage.ix.netcom.com says...
>> >On the other hand, performing an autopsy should not be carried
>> out on
>> >a whim. It's very intrusive (obviously), and often requires the
>> >permission of the family. Scully's the expert, as you point out. Is
>> >she supposed to jump at Mulder's every whim in these matters?
>> Hell, if
>> >she gave into him here quickly, she'd be setting a bad precedent
>> IMO.
>>
Manderite
I take it you don't like the "Mulder Character" very much.
Just keep it from real life.
Brian Mueller
xfans2 wrote:
>>You will notice that Mulder was being an asshole at the begining of the
>>episode but.....Skully ....
>
>SCULLY!
*What* about Skully?
----
Brian Mueller
E-mail: mulder78 at ix dot netcom dot com
20 year old male, in Morgan Hill, California, USA
(ten miles south of San Jose, California)
Dahlak
DMA wrote:
[ major,major snippage for this one tiny line <g> ]
> That precedent was set during ohhhh, about episode three.
Hey now. Don't be talkin' 'bout episode three like that.
Ah, "Squeeze," why do I love thee?
1. Extraordinarily creepy monster. Very interesting twist turn
on the vampire scenario.
2. Introduction of tough "On the Victims' Side" Scully.
3. Very nice Mulder/Scully teamwork.
4. Actual detective work! No gift solutions. <sigh> What can
I say? I'm a sucker for showing those unglamorous parts of
detective work. Microfiche. <g>
5. Scully doesn't believe in any paranormal aspect to the case,
but still is an integral part of the investigation.
"Squeeze" is definitely on my list of favorites.
bubbela
Hank wrote:
>
> Rumor has it that bubbela put forth the following:
>
> >Amen! Doing autopsies is *also* part of what Scully does for a living.
> >She shouldn't have to be cajoled or flattered into doing one, and she
> >doesn't do them out of loyalty or love or anything else -- it's part of
> >her job. Refusing to do an autopsy on a murder victim because Mulder
> >didn't ask her nicely, or because she didn't want to feed the delusions
> >of a dead man (I couldn't decide which reason it really was supposed to
> >be), are the lamest excuses the writers have ever given Scully for
> >resisting getting involved in an investigation.
I just got back from 2 ng-less days on the road, so this is probably old
news by now, but here goes anyway ...
> On the other hand, performing an autopsy should not be carried out on
> a whim.
True. But Mulder wasn't being whimsical here. It's obvious that he felt
that getting proof of what he saw was very important to the
investigation and to him personally. Refusing to perform an autopsy
when your partner practically begs you to shouldn't be done on a whim,
either.
> It's very intrusive (obviously), and often requires the
> permission of the family.
I'm not sure about that, in the case of a death by other than natural
causes. Anyway, these considerations have never bothered Scully before,
and they weren't the reasons she gave for refusing to do the autopsy
this time.
> Scully's the expert, as you point out.
She's the expert on performing autopsies. Problem is, she refused to
perform one until after Mulder was in tied down in a mental hospital.
> Is she supposed to jump at Mulder's every whim in these matters?
Yes...I mean, no.
> Hell, if she gave into him here quickly, she'd be setting a bad precedent IMO.
>
If she gave into him here quickly, the ep wouldn't have been as good as
it was.
> Dammit, Quincy never performed autopsies just because a friend of his
> thought the dead person was in fact a giant gnat or something, now did
> he? ;-)
>
Are you sure? I'm sure I have that ep on tape -- have to go back and
check. :)
-- bubbela
Laura Burchard
In article <kclem123-110...@ts002d12.ryb-nh.concentric.net>,
KClem <kcle...@concentric.net> wrote:
> I'd have loved when he called for that obscure file
>> information if Scully said "sorry, I've got a date. Until you can think of the
>> difference between a saint and a doormat. One has a halo and one has
>'welcome'
>> stenciled across it.
>Except, that she is at work! Just because she didn't travel to the
>assignment with him doesn't mean she can't or shouldn't do her job! Her
>job, is to solve cases - Mulder was doing his from Illinois, she was doing
>hers from D.C.! Notice that FBI badge that she wears while AT WORK?!
>This isn't a personal relationship (although some aspects of their's might
>be, but they never let it interfere with their work!). I don't think
>Mulder was being a jerk, nor do I think Scully was being a doormat!
Er, Scully's not his secretary, nor his subordinate; her job is not to
look up obscure references in files if she doesn't think it's a
worthwhile use of FBI time.
Laura
--
Laura Burchard -- l...@radix.net -- http://www.radix.net/~lhb
X-Review: http://traveller.simplenet.com/xfiles/episode.htm
Laura Burchard
In article <6j854k$s...@news.auaracom.net>,
Fox's Vixen <wwis...@mail.auracom.com> wrote:
>In article <199805111420...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
>anima...@aol.com (AnimalLgic) wrote:
>>An outraged Pangaeus fumed:
>>>this episode? I mean, what is she, his secretary?
>>No, his wife.
>No, the junior agent. Sorry, but all of us get crap from our superiors once
>in a while. Unless we're in a "relationship" with them. Awaiting flames now.
Argh. We went over this just a couple of weeks ago in atxfc. Mulder is
*not* Scully's superior. Please review the applicable scenes from Never
Again and Gethesmane. I really *hate* people using this for an excuse of
why it's okay for Mulder to treat her like a secretary.
Manderite
On 16 May 1998 11:44:25 -0400, l...@Radix.Net (Laura Burchard) wrote:
>In article <kclem123-110...@ts002d12.ryb-nh.concentric.net>,
>KClem <kcle...@concentric.net> wrote:
>> I'd have loved when he called for that obscure file
>>> information if Scully said "sorry, I've got a date. Until you can think of the
>>> file name or something more useful, I don't have time for this." There is a
>>> difference between a saint and a doormat. One has a halo and one has
>>'welcome'
>>> stenciled across it.
>
>>Except, that she is at work! Just because she didn't travel to the
>>assignment with him doesn't mean she can't or shouldn't do her job! Her
>>job, is to solve cases - Mulder was doing his from Illinois, she was doing
>>hers from D.C.! Notice that FBI badge that she wears while AT WORK?!
>>This isn't a personal relationship (although some aspects of their's might
>>be, but they never let it interfere with their work!). I don't think
>>Mulder was being a jerk, nor do I think Scully was being a doormat!
>
>Er, Scully's not his secretary, nor his subordinate; her job is not to
>look up obscure references in files if she doesn't think it's a
>worthwhile use of FBI time.
>
>Laura
Scully's not a secretary? ;-)
Manderite
Let me clear this up for you; Scully assists Mulder on
cases of X-files. At first she was there to debunk his work
and now they work together but Mulder is still head of the
X-file cases. Nuff Said.
DMA
>>Er, Scully's not his secretary, nor his subordinate; her job is not
to
>>look up obscure references in files if she doesn't think it's a
>>worthwhile use of FBI time.
>>
>>Laura
If Scully' job was to only do stuff that she thought was a worthwhile
use of FBI time, she'd be sitting home on 3/4 of the episodes in the
series! What a ridiculous assertion. And YOU are the one who is
suggesting she doesn't think it's a worthwhile use of her time. NO
WHERE in the show did she say or express this. In fact, it is quite
the opposite. At the point in the show where the request was made,
MULDER thought the assignment was a bogus waste of time, not
Scully.
Besides, since when have Mulder and Scully EVER had any
administrative help whatsoever? I've never seen any in 5 years.
Seems to me that the prevailing attitude is "You want to pursue the
X-Files? Okay, but don't expect a decent office or any secretarial
help." He's in Illinois, he needs someone to look something up in
their files, and his only option is Scully. He asks her to look, he
asks her nicely. And she does.
WHERE is the problem here?? Everyone was doing their job. Case
closed.
GregSerl
>From: D...@someuniversity.edu (DMA)
>Date: Mon, May 18, 1998 14:24 EDT
>Message-id: <6jpucf$ika$1...@news.ycc.yale.edu>
>
>
>What a ridiculous assertion. And YOU are the one who is
>suggesting she doesn't think it's a worthwhile use of her time. NO
>WHERE in the show did she say or express this.
[...]
>He's in Illinois, he needs someone to look something up in
>their files, and his only option is Scully. He asks her to look, he
>asks her nicely. And she does.
>WHERE is the problem here?? Everyone was doing their job. Case
>closed.
I don't think Laura's "assertion" was "ridiculous" but from my perspective
it's Scully who has set herself up to be used this way by Mulder, and she is
being used. However, if she echoes the sentiments in the old song lyrics "you
can use me til you use me up" then she not only doesn't mind being trod upon,
she invites it time and time again.
I've noticed that when Mulder needs her help, Scully is willng to help almost
without exception, but, when she needs his help, it seems he has to pencil her
into his schedule or 'get around to it' when it suits him. He'll find that
adoption information she needs *after* he finishes watching a porno film.
Scully, on the other hand, up to her elbows in flea soap, tries to help Mulder.
She's not even on the assignment, she's not even at work.
All of this being the case, I have no problem with how Mulder behaves, he is
self-absorbed, ungenerous, equipped with tunnel vision and is a one-handed
rapture expert. That is Fox Mulder, I know that, and more importantly Scully
knows that. The Mulderstein who rises from the slab in each and ever episode,
is partly Scully's own creation. She may not have sewn him together but she
often is the one who hooks the electrodes to the bolts in his neck. No one
but Scully is making her do this. Until or unless Scully takes a stand and
draws some uncrossable lines, she's getting exactly what she should expect.
Scully is only a victim of her own devices, and if she doesn't like how things
stand, then she is the one who'll have to try and change them. I say heaven
help Mulder if Scully should actually fall in love with a guy who appreciates
her fully and not just when he's in trouble. Then again, maybe Scully is a
masochist, and cherishes how things have stagnated, how he shuts her out, keeps
secrets from her, dumps her, and only helps her when it's convenient for him.
If so, no problem, Scully is likely experiencing an ecstasy few of us mortals
will ever know.
case re-opened....