Where to go in the 9th season?
Al Smith
shows should dump the whole space alien, government conspiracy
mythology, which is mainly linked with the absent Mulder and in
any case has been beaten to death with a stick, and instead should
concentrate on two areas: 1) stand-alone monster eps, 2) Scully's
religious leanings.
Previous years has a theme for each of our stars. Mulder's theme
was the aliens kidnapping his sister, and the subsequent cover-up.
Scully's theme was her scientific training in conflict with her
deep religious convictions, and the intimation that she had been
"chosen" in some way for a higher purpose.
Scully's religious theme fits in well with the pronouncement by
the late Brockman of "Brockman's Repose" that Scully doesn't die.
We saw in a subsequent ep that she had immortality transferred to
her by the touch of the immortal WeeGee-like crime photographer. I
know, some claim that this is not what happened, but in my view
Scully is immortal, and is not destined to die in any ordinary way.
Since Gillian Anderson is undoubtedly the main star of the show
now that Spooky is gone (and good riddance), a large number of eps
should focus on mystical subjects dealing with religion,
spirituality, fate, miracles, angels, demons, and psychic themes.
The rest should be Flukeman-type episodes, which I personally much
prefer to the mythology episodes.
Robert Patrick is just there to fill in a space, and give Scully
someone to look at and react to, so he doesn't get a theme of his
own, and doesn't deserve any. It's too bad the writers of the
series never figured out what to do with Patrick's character, but
it's clear that they never will now, so no use crying about it.
It's Gillian Anderson's show from hereon in.
Alan Hurshman
> In the 9th and undoubtedly last season of the X-Files, I think the
> shows should dump the whole space alien, government conspiracy
> mythology, which is mainly linked with the absent Mulder and in
> any case has been beaten to death with a stick, and instead should
> concentrate on two areas: 1) stand-alone monster eps, 2) Scully's
> religious leanings.
No way. #1 is good but #2 is a non starter.
Instead of religious stuff #2 should focus on
her new found love of health spas and nude
resorts.
--
Alan Hurshman
Halifax, Nova Scotia
{Wishbone For Scully In 2002}
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Order of the Holy Pup
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NanB125704
Mulder began?
I think that the alien themed episodes
were the best of the series. I'd like to
know more about the invasion, the
shifting aliens, etc.
Monster of the week is good, too.
Especially if its written right.
But no "special baby" stories. That might
be more than most fans could take.
NannerB
laura capozzola
>
> In the 9th and undoubtedly last season of the X-Files, I think the
> shows should dump the whole space alien, government conspiracy
> mythology, which is mainly linked with the absent Mulder and in
> any case has been beaten to death with a stick,
I don't agree with "undoubtedly" although NO actor has a contract
beyond next season and I'm not ready to give up on government
conspiracy which IMHO is still a viable topic for the show but I'm
ready to kiss the aliens goodbye.
and instead should
> concentrate on two areas: 1) stand-alone monster eps, 2) Scully's
> religious leanings.
The standalone/mythology mix of eps has been a great strategy for the
show and contributed to its longevity so I don't think it would be a
good idea to give it up. I just would like Doggett to have his own
mythology unrelated to aliens. If FOX and Ten Thirteen don't already
have their minds made up that Season 9 is the last season, then the
mythology will not be Scully's (since they know GA is leaving). On
the other hand, if they concentrate on the good/evil theme of
Empedocles as Doggett's mythology, then Scully's religious beliefs
could easily fit that into theme for a season. I liked Season 1 of
Millennium better myself with the sickos and the weirdos. I got lost
in the religious mumbo-jumbo of Season 2 so if they do that, I'd like
to see the eps not concentrate too much on the actual "religion"
(especially the history zzzzzzz) but more on the belief. Also, it's a
good reason to bring Lance Henriksen in and since he has expressed an
interest in working with Robert Patrick again...why not?
> Scully's religious theme fits in well with the pronouncement by
> the late Brockman of "Brockman's Repose" that Scully doesn't die.
I guess I'm the only one who thought Clyde Bruckman was kidding.
> Robert Patrick is just there to fill in a space,
REALLY?
and give Scully
> someone to look at and react to, so he doesn't get a theme of his
> own, and doesn't deserve any.
REALLY?
It's too bad the writers of the
> series never figured out what to do with Patrick's character, but
> it's clear that they never will now, so no use crying about it.
> It's Gillian Anderson's show from hereon in.
REALLY?
Laura
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Al Smith
What would have been a brilliant move would have been to make
Frank Black into Scully's partner, either officially or
unofficially. Then some of the mythology of MILLENNIUM could have
spilled over into the X-FILES. There's lots of life in the
MILLENNIUM mythology arc since it was never carried to any sort of
fulfillment.
Personally, I loved the second season of MILLENNIUM, and wasn't
too keen on season one or season three, but there's no accounting
for taste.
As for Robert Patrick, I've been willing to give this actor a
chance, but let's face it, one and all, the guy is a stiff. It's
not a question of liking his work or not liking it. He just isn't
there, even when he's standing and speaking into the camera. He
was perfectly case as a robot in TERMINATOR 2. He is a robot in
all his roles. This guy is never going to build a fan following,
even if the X-FILES lasts another five years (which it won't --
trust me, season nine is a wrap).
Sean Carroll
wrote:
>Scully's religious theme fits in well with the pronouncement by
>the late Brockman of "Brockman's Repose" that Scully doesn't die.
Yup. That Kent Brockman, always reports the news just like it is!
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that the alien race is assimilating humans. Similar to that exposed
in the Star Trek Next Generation movie "First Contact".
My movie script is based on the concept(reality?) that the aliens are
already here, look human, and are enslaving and exterminating the
human race.
"Alan Hurshman" <alanhu...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message news:<2zA27.261321$Z2.31...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
Sean Carroll
wrote:
>The X-Files should tell the truth and start exploring the possibility
>that the alien race is assimilating humans. Similar to that exposed
>in the Star Trek Next Generation movie "First Contact".
>My movie script is based on the concept(reality?) that the aliens are
>already here, look human, and are enslaving and exterminating the
>human race.
Ummmm ... did you watch any of the alien-conspitacy episodes in the
8th season, or what? 'Requiem'? 'Within'? 'Without'? 'This Is Not
Happening'? 'DeadAlive'? 'Three Words' (especially)? 'Vienen'?
'Essence'? 'Existence'?
mox.f...@fib.gob.invalid
[...]
> Especially if its written right.
Irony, n.
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adhokk7
>My movie script is based on the concept(reality?) that the aliens are
>already here, look human, and are enslaving and exterminating the
>human race.
Do you know Rowdy Roddy Piper?
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Lizabeth V. Karaganis
wrote:
>Yeah, really.
>
WTF are you talking about? Blanket pronouncements such as yours really
piss me off. You go around talking like you're the friggin' god of
usenet when we all know ad is. ;-) And as far as I can remember, ad
has made no such pronouncement concerning RP/JD.
<snip>
>
>Personally, I loved the second season of MILLENNIUM, and wasn't
>too keen on season one or season three, but there's no accounting
>for taste.
>
Yeah, well personally, that's when the show lost *this* viewer. Season
1 consisted of some of the scariest, most well-made episodic
television I've ever had the pleasure to watch. Although I usually go
in for the religious stuff, too much of it can be boring as hell and
IMO that's exactly what happened. I quit caring and tuned it out.
>As for Robert Patrick, I've been willing to give this actor a
>chance, but let's face it, one and all, the guy is a stiff.
In your opinion.
>It's not a question of liking his work or not liking it. He just isn't
>there, even when he's standing and speaking into the camera.
*newsflash for Al* He is *so* friggin' there that I have trouble
focusing on anyone or anything else.
>He was perfectly case as a robot in TERMINATOR 2. He is a robot in
>all his roles.
Oh, I see. You're the friggin' expert on his career, eh? Cite
examples, give me the data. I've had the pleasure of seeing over 20 of
his movies at this point. Even in his cameos, the guy gives it his
all. After T2, I'm sure he had difficulty escaping the "bad guy"
typecasting. But you know what? If he's supposed to be evil, by god,
he's one of the best evil guys I've ever seen. If he's a good guy,
then damnit, he's one of the best good guys I've ever seen. He's an
extremely capable and vastly underrated actor who has more than proven
his mettle this past year on The X-Files.
>The guy is never going to build a fan following, even if the X-FILES lasts another five years (which it won't --
>trust me, season nine is a wrap).
>
Oh really? I guess since you're the friggin' god of usenet *and* The
X-Files and you proclaimed that RP is never going to build a fan
following that *I'm* a friggin' aberration. Do I have that right?
<snip>
>>
>Robert Patrick is just there to fill in a space,
>>and give Scully
>>>someone to look at and react to, so he doesn't get a theme of his
>>>own, and doesn't deserve any.
>>>
>> It's too bad the writers of the
>>>series never figured out what to do with Patrick's character, but
>>>it's clear that they never will now, so no use crying about it.
>>>It's Gillian Anderson's show from hereon in.
>>>
Oh really? Then I guess this quote from Frank Spotnitz (one of the
Executive Producers of The X-Files and one of its main creative
voices) doesn't mean crap according to the world as Al Smith sees it:
"No matter how good a job we might have done as writers and producers,
the burden was really on Robert Patrick to carry the show. And - this
is not a disservice to David or Gillian - he is carrying the show.
I'm completely satisfied with how things are going. I don't feel as if
the show is missing anything or as if it's been hijacked, because
that's how good Robert is."
Mr. Spotnitz is just blowing sunshine up our collective asses, right?
Normally, I don't respond to your kind of bullshit or the other
mindless Barbie shipper/Duchovbot bullshit I've had to endure, but I
couldn't let this pass. Mr. Patrick is *the* raison d'etre for my
renewed interest in all things X-File. And don't kid yourself, buddy,
I'm not the only one.
Lisa K.
Doggett Devoteé, 9+
"You had me at the cup of water."
Nothing V
>
> > Scully's religious theme fits in well with the pronouncement by
> > the late Brockman of "Brockman's Repose" that Scully doesn't die.
>
> I guess I'm the only one who thought Clyde Bruckman was kidding.
>
i always interpreted it as a sort of alluding to scully's
future complications w/her health [cancer]. but i havent
given it too much thought or heard the different interpretations.
> > Robert Patrick is just there to fill in a space,
>
> REALLY?
>
> and give Scully
> > someone to look at and react to, so he doesn't get a theme of his
> > own, and doesn't deserve any.
>
> REALLY?
i think that doggett *needs* a theme of his own. i also think that
he deserves it. but thats just me.
--
Nothing V
As for believing things, I can believe anything,
provided that it is quite incredible.
--Oscar Wilde
laura capozzola
>
> laura capozzola wrote:
> >
> > > Scully's religious theme fits in well with the pronouncement by
> > > the late Brockman of "Brockman's Repose" that Scully doesn't die.
> >
> > I guess I'm the only one who thought Clyde Bruckman was kidding.
> >
>
> i always interpreted it as a sort of alluding to scully's
> future complications w/her health [cancer]. but i havent
> given it too much thought or heard the different interpretations.
I think based on what he said about the type of death Mulder would
have, he was kidding about Scully, too. It was hard to tell with
Bruckman when he was kidding. Of course Darin Morgan couldn't forsee
it, but you would think Clyde Bruckman would have told Mulder he dies
at least 4 times (Anasazi, Redux, Field Trip, This Is Not Happening)
before he really dies. ;-D
>
> i think that doggett *needs* a theme of his own. i also think that
> he deserves it. but thats just me.
I think he needs a mythology of his own, too, and I liked very much
his work in Season 8. I hope they give him his own mythology, too.
Misty Wahler
> Nothing V wrote:
> >
> > laura capozzola wrote:
> > >
> > > > Scully's religious theme fits in well with the pronouncement by
> > > > the late Brockman of "Brockman's Repose" that Scully doesn't die.
> > >
> > > I guess I'm the only one who thought Clyde Bruckman was kidding.
> > >
> >
> > i always interpreted it as a sort of alluding to scully's
> > future complications w/her health [cancer]. but i havent
> > given it too much thought or heard the different interpretations.
>
> I think based on what he said about the type of death Mulder would
> have, he was kidding about Scully, too. It was hard to tell with
> Bruckman when he was kidding. Of course Darin Morgan couldn't forsee
> it, but you would think Clyde Bruckman would have told Mulder he dies
> at least 4 times (Anasazi, Redux, Field Trip, This Is Not Happening)
> before he really dies. ;-D
What about the episode "Tithonus"? At the end of that episode, Scully is shot
and should have died, but the old camera man dies instead. He kind of
takes her place. The whole premise of the ep was that he would never die
unless he looked in Death's face, because he missed his turn when it came.
Since died instead of Scully when it was her turn, that kind of implies
that she will never die.
Binah
>
> Mr. Spotnitz is just blowing sunshine up our collective asses, right?
That about sums it up.
Binah, kamikaze posting from Google
ChangeoverX
>that the alien race is assimilating humans. Similar to that exposed
>in the Star Trek Next Generation movie "First Contact".
>
>My movie script is based on the concept(reality?) that the aliens are
>already here, look human, and are enslaving and exterminating the
>human race.
Basically that is what is happening. Ok they can not just drop the alien
mythology now, it really has been the center of everything for every season.
Everything kind of links together. And essentialy, althought they don't
directly go at it like a space movie or anything, the aliens are invading. We
have the aliens forming in humans from the virus, as seen in the movie. That
is how they will populate. The replacements are either working for the big bad
aliens or the rebel aliens to fix up loose ends before the invasion. According
the the X-Files timeline, the real invasion is set to happen in 2012. So
people like the replacements and the shapeshifter bounty hunter are around to
tie things up to get ready. Then theres the virus, which will cause the
repopulation. They really just need to go at this storyline with all they have
this season, if it is the last. We can't just drop 8 years of what has been
set up. This season they should discover the truth about the different aliens
and possibly uncover the millitary connection to everything. We also need to
see more virus. After all this, we should have the movie, possibly set in
2012? (Of course not done in 2012, we don't want a gray Mulder). Ok, I'm done
ranting.
ChiaCow9
YES! I agree totally with you! Definitely MOTW. Strongly written MOTWs.
Sean Carroll
<mmwa...@cse.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>What about the episode "Tithonus"? At the end of that episode, Scully is shot
>and should have died, but the old camera man dies instead. He kind of
>takes her place. The whole premise of the ep was that he would never die
>unless he looked in Death's face, because he missed his turn when it came.
>Since died instead of Scully when it was her turn, that kind of implies
>that she will never die.
Have you posted before? I don't recognise you. Welcome to ATXF. :)
spookycc
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Lizabeth V. Karaganis
<mmwa...@cse.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>What about the episode "Tithonus"? At the end of that episode, Scully is shot
>and should have died, but the old camera man dies instead. He kind of
>takes her place. The whole premise of the ep was that he would never die
>unless he looked in Death's face, because he missed his turn when it came.
>Since died instead of Scully when it was her turn, that kind of implies
>that she will never die.
>
Actually, I've read several fanfics that use that ep (and CBFR) as a
basis for giving Scully the "gift" of immortality.
Speaking of "The Gift", some fanfic authors are using that ep to give
JD the same gift. Since I was focused on other matters during the
initial airing *cough, Naked!Doggett, cough*, I can't rememember if
the following is true: once the Regurgitator eats your malady, you
never suffer from the same malady ever again. If so, does that mean
that Doggett never dies again?
Lisa K.
needs to read the ep transcript
laura capozzola
>
> Speaking of "The Gift", some fanfic authors are using that ep to give
> JD the same gift. Since I was focused on other matters during the
> initial airing *cough, Naked!Doggett, cough*, I can't rememember if
> the following is true: once the Regurgitator eats your malady, you
> never suffer from the same malady ever again. If so, does that mean
> that Doggett never dies again?
I think that's just fan fic. I don't remember that from the episode.
Nothing V
>
> Nothing V wrote:
> >
> > laura capozzola wrote:
> > >
> > > > Scully's religious theme fits in well with the pronouncement by
> > > > the late Brockman of "Brockman's Repose" that Scully doesn't die.
> > >
> > > I guess I'm the only one who thought Clyde Bruckman was kidding.
> > >
> >
> > i always interpreted it as a sort of alluding to scully's
> > future complications w/her health [cancer]. but i havent
> > given it too much thought or heard the different interpretations.
>
> I think based on what he said about the type of death Mulder would
> have, he was kidding about Scully, too. It was hard to tell with
> Bruckman when he was kidding. Of course Darin Morgan couldn't forsee
> it, but you would think Clyde Bruckman would have told Mulder he dies
> at least 4 times (Anasazi, Redux, Field Trip, This Is Not Happening)
> before he really dies. ;-D
>
LOL
good point. :)
> >
> > i think that doggett *needs* a theme of his own. i also think that
> > he deserves it. but thats just me.
>
> I think he needs a mythology of his own, too, and I liked very much
> his work in Season 8. I hope they give him his own mythology, too.
>
> Laura
i think the luke avenue could work fairly well, especially if they
add some dimensions to it. its a bit reminiscent of mulder's search
for his sister, but not too much so. i hope they dont forget all about
luke, or expect us to interpret "empedocles" as any sort of closure.
but i do think the doggett character needs something else, in addition
to luke, to be passionate about. the more i see of RP, the more i
like. & i dont mean that in any sexual sort of way, though some may
be inclined to interpret it as such. :)
Pilgrim
news:3B4A8A98...@address.com...
> In the 9th and undoubtedly last season of the X-Files, I think the
> shows should dump the whole space alien, government conspiracy
> mythology, which is mainly linked with the absent Mulder and in
> any case has been beaten to death with a stick, and instead should
> concentrate on two areas: 1) stand-alone monster eps, 2) Scully's
> religious leanings.
CC is SO good at Christian-bashing!
> Previous years has a theme for each of our stars. Mulder's theme
> was the aliens kidnapping his sister, and the subsequent cover-up.
> Scully's theme was her scientific training in conflict with her
> deep religious convictions, and the intimation that she had been
> "chosen" in some way for a higher purpose.
I prefer "Nadia's Theme."
> Scully's religious theme fits in well with the pronouncement by
> the late Brockman of "Brockman's Repose" that Scully doesn't die.
> We saw in a subsequent ep that she had immortality transferred to
> her by the touch of the immortal WeeGee-like crime photographer. I
> know, some claim that this is not what happened, but in my view
> Scully is immortal, and is not destined to die in any ordinary way.
And Mulder is SUPERMAN! Faster than a speeding schizophrenic,
more powerful than a Washington intern conspiracy, able to leap
tall tales with a single - nose!
> Since Gillian Anderson is undoubtedly the main star of the show
> now that Spooky is gone (and good riddance), a large number of eps
> should focus on mystical subjects dealing with religion,
> spirituality, fate, miracles, angels, demons, and psychic themes.
> The rest should be Flukeman-type episodes, which I personally much
> prefer to the mythology episodes.
You must be one of those extremely rare Baptist XF fans. Keep
my woman in the kitchen and give me that old time religion in my
XF eps!
> Robert Patrick is just there to fill in a space, and give Scully
> someone to look at and react to, so he doesn't get a theme of his
> own, and doesn't deserve any. It's too bad the writers of the
> series never figured out what to do with Patrick's character, but
> it's clear that they never will now, so no use crying about it.
> It's Gillian Anderson's show from hereon in.
It's too bad the writers of the series HAVE NO TALENT.
Sean Carroll
<pilgr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It's too bad the writers of the series HAVE NO TALENT.
Which is why you're posting in a newsgroup devoted to the show they
write, of course.
Kristen
"adhokk7" <cary...@aol.com.beatles> wrote in message
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> Wayne Manzo wrote:
>
> >My movie script is based on the concept(reality?) that the aliens are
> >already here, look human, and are enslaving and exterminating the
> >human race.
>
> Do you know Rowdy Roddy Piper?
>
I touched Hulk Hogan's head when I was, like, 8. Seriously.
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wrote:
>"adhokk7" <cary...@aol.com.beatles> wrote in message
>I touched Hulk Hogan's head when I was, like, 8. Seriously.
Did he hold your salad?
--Sean, had the door held open for him by Truman
Capote when he was a few days old
Lizabeth V. Karaganis
<noth...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>laura capozzola wrote:
>>
>> Nothing V wrote:
>> >
>> > laura capozzola wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Scully's religious theme fits in well with the pronouncement by
>> > > > the late Brockman of "Brockman's Repose" that Scully doesn't die.
>> > >
>> > > I guess I'm the only one who thought Clyde Bruckman was kidding.
>> > >
>> >
>> > i always interpreted it as a sort of alluding to scully's
>> > future complications w/her health [cancer]. but i havent
>> > given it too much thought or heard the different interpretations.
>>
>> I think based on what he said about the type of death Mulder would
>> have, he was kidding about Scully, too. It was hard to tell with
>> Bruckman when he was kidding. Of course Darin Morgan couldn't forsee
>> it, but you would think Clyde Bruckman would have told Mulder he dies
>> at least 4 times (Anasazi, Redux, Field Trip, This Is Not Happening)
>> before he really dies. ;-D
>>
I never took the Scully thing seriously, but I thought Clyde looked
dead <HA!> serious when talking to Mulder.
Lisa K.
<snip>
TrueBlueStef
"Kristen" <yeloe...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "adhokk7" <cary...@aol.com.beatles> wrote in message
> news:20010710150438...@ng-fn1.aol.com...
> > Wayne Manzo wrote:
> >
> > >My movie script is based on the concept(reality?) that the aliens are
> > >already here, look human, and are enslaving and exterminating the
> > >human race.
> >
> > Do you know Rowdy Roddy Piper?
> >
>
> I touched Hulk Hogan's head when I was, like, 8. Seriously.
>
> --
> Kristen
> knows someone is going to perverterize that
I make no comments on the Hulk Hogan statement (he carried my little brother
around on his shoulders when my little brother was 8 or 9) but I just had to
respond because I love the word "perverterize".
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