Does Mulder have a PhD?
David Latini
OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
indication that he has a PhD.
Thanks,
David Latini
PS Please note that this has NOTHING to do with the fact that the actor
who plays Mulder was enrolled in a PhD in literature at Yale.
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Lisa DaFoe
dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Latini) wrote:
>OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
>pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
>psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
>psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
>toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
>indication that he has a PhD.
>
I don't think it's ever been said that he has a PhD. but,
in order to do the work he does in profiling and such, I
believe he would have to have one.
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Anderson
dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Latini) wrote:
>OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
>pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
>psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
>psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
>toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
>indication that he has a PhD.
>
>
>David Latini
>
The Official Guide notes Mulder as having an "A.B." in Psychology from
Oxford. I took this to mean as in "All But Dissertation (sp)." Anyone
else out there have an idea?
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sane man go out and kill five people thinkin' they're all the
same guy-not even "MUST SEE TV" could do that to ya."
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je...@ezonline.com
dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Latini) wrote:
>OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
>pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
>psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
>psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
>toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
>indication that he has a PhD.
>
>Thanks,
>
>David Latini
>
>who plays Mulder was enrolled in a PhD in literature at Yale.
>
on tape will remember for sure) - when Scully receives her assignment to
the X-Files, and they tell her about "Spooky" and how she should keep an
eye on him.
Linda Grasmick
dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Latini) wrote:
>OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
>pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
>psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
>psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
>toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any >other indication that he has a PhD.
>
that arises from the fact that the show had no "Bible" at the start.
There were no official biographies that writers have had to create the
characters and get all the little details consistent.
Someone once reported in this newsgroup that one of the X-Philes books
described Mulder as having done his undergraduate work at Harvard before
attending Oxford. To the best knowledge of this obsessed fan, that is
the only indication of his actually having completed graduate level work
-- and as that was in a book and not on the show, I don't think that
really counts.
On the show (in the pilot, I believe) they said that his psychological
profile helped to catch a serial killer back in 1988 -- which would put
him at about 27-28 years old at the time. That could have been early in
his FBI career and the age would be about right for a recent PhD
graduate. In the first season episode "Fire", the time span between his
time at Oxford and 1993 was implied to have been about 10 years, which
implies he was at Oxford at the age of about 22. As these dates and time
spans are not explicitly stated in detail, the timing could be consistent
with graduate work (as opposed to undergrad) at Oxford IF his affair
with Phoebe Green was early in Oxford days, not at the end or IF the 10
year figure was just an approximate.
However, I don't believe there has ever been a firm indication of his
level of education. Deep Throat and others refer to him as Mr. Mulder,
not Dr. Mulder. Also, Scully is usually the one depicted as having the
greater clinical expertise in psychology, not Mulder -- though that
probably is just because writers don't know how to depict a person with a
PhD in psychology. They don't stop and think what psychological
expertise he might bring to bear on a situation. To them, he's just
"Agent Mulder," not Fox Mulder, a man with a respectable intellect and
level of education probably higher than their own.
A medical doctor (e.g. Scully) is given her due. She is thought of in
terms of her medical/scientific expertise. But Mulder is just thought of
as a person -- not as someone with any specific educational background or
disciplinary expertise. As someone about to graduate with a PhD in
nursing, I notice those things. Medical doctors are "Dr." -- but us
PhD's are somehow "less than that" -- and a Dr. of nursing, well that's
just considered "cute"!! -- like somehow it's not as impressive an
accomplishment as those MD's.
In summary -- they've left it open. I think because they never noticed
the issue in the beginning and are not sensitive to the issues involved.
Linda
Champey
In article <4nae11$k...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Lisa DaFoe
<lda...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
>>pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
>>psychologist."
It was in the pilot - Scully was relaying her knowledge of what she knew
about Mulder and said that he was "an Oxford-educated Psychologist"
In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
>>psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
>>toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any
other
>>indication that he has a PhD.
I don't recall any that specifically say the term PhD. but agree with the
above.
Barbara
Al Ruffinelli
On 13 May 1996 22:19:28 -0700, dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU wrote:
> OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
> pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
> psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
> toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
> indication that he has a PhD.
> Thanks,
> David Latini
> PS Please note that this has NOTHING to do with the fact that the actor
> who plays Mulder was enrolled in a PhD in literature at Yale.
the official guide is not very helpful here. Mulder's (not DD's)
education is listed as:
Oxford University, A.B. in Psychology, 1982. Quantico FBI Training
Academy, 1984.
A.B. = Bachelor of Arts, I assume.
the unofficial guide doesn't add anything to that.
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ftp://ng.netgate.net/u/alvaro
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Vicky K. Goad
Okay, seeing as how Psychology is my choosen field for college, then I
know a teeny bit.
1)To be a PSYCHIATRIST (which he is not) you must be a doctor.
Since you perscribe medication.
2)To be a PSYCOLOGIST (which he is supposed to be) you need a
Masters (MS) and a PhD if you want a job.
But the guide does say he only has and AB, which is a Bachelor's
Degree, so apparently he's pretty gifted after all, since Bachelor's is
the first degree you get from a four year University (in my experience, I
have three immeadiate family members in college)
Mary G.
Jane Harper
David Latini wrote:
>
> OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
> pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
> psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
> psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
> toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
> indication that he has a PhD.
Perhaps he doesn't care? Scully certainly doesn't seem to be hung up on
it; I could count the times somebody has called her "Doctor" on one
hand. And my experience with doctorally prepared people is that one's
insistence on being called "Doctor So-And-So" is inversely proportional
to the scholar's confidence in his/her work. There may also be an
inverse relationship between this insistence and the perception of the
doctoral program; one fellow I know has it on his checkbook, and his is
some cockamamie doctorate in naturopathy from Pay-And-Play University.
Janie
gabrielle
dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Latini) wrote:
>OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
>pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
>psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
>psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist.
There are no indications that Mulder has a PhD. The official guide
lists his Oxford training as 1983-1986. Four years is enough time to
get an A.B. degree (which he has), or a combination Bachelor's/Masters
degree if you're a workaholic, but not enough time for a doctorate.
Besides, his list of publications would include a thesis.
Then again, he apparently entered Oxford at age 22, so he may have
done other undergrad work in the states. Also confusing is the fact
that the guide says he attended Oxford from 1983-1986, and then
summarizes his education by saying he got his degree from there in
1982. Clearly, this isn't a definitive source.
FBI regulations state that an applicant must have 2 years work
experience after an undergraduate degree, or 1 year work experience
after an advanced degree, to apply. This may be suspended in cases
where applicants are actively recruited, as in the situations of both
Mulder and Scully. Both entered the academy directly out of school.
curiouser and curiouser...
-gabrielle
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AnnieB
Lisa DaFoe wrote:
>
> dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Latini) wrote:
> >OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
> >pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
> >psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
> >toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
> >indication that he has a PhD.
> >
>
> in order to do the work he does in profiling and such, I
> believe he would have to have one.
>
> Lisa lda...@worldnet.att.net
> DFW Reserve Corps Mulder/Scully 96
> X-Angst Anonymous Trust No One But Them!
Now this is from the offical guide to the X-files which has been known to
be wrong.
Education: Oxford University, A.B. In Psychology, 1982, Quantico FBI
Training Academy, 1984
Ok then at the bottom of the page it says:
1983-1986: Oxford Univerdity
1986: Enters Quantico Academy
Now this is a descripency and its on the same page!
Annie
david raoul derbes
In article <4nadia$u...@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>,
Anderson <s_and...@social.chass.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Latini) wrote:
>>OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
>>pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
>>psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
>>psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
>>toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
>>indication that he has a PhD.
>>
>>
>>David Latini
>>
>
>The Official Guide notes Mulder as having an "A.B." in Psychology from
>Oxford. I took this to mean as in "All But Dissertation (sp)." Anyone
>else out there have an idea?
>--
>
>Anderson
I have an idea, but it probably isn't worth much.
I did my undergraduate degree at the same place as DD, and then went to
Cambridge (UK). Americans who wind up at either Oxford or Cambridge tend
to get one of three degrees: a second bachelor's (A.B., for Artium
Baccalaureus; they reverse the Latin -- Princeton does the same thing,
pretentious if you ask me, but ... ), a Master's (M.A. -- should be
A.M. by the same logic -- go figure) or a Ph.D. (which at Oxford and
Cambridge is a D.Phil.)
Most of the time you get a second B.A. Here's why: the Oxbridge MA is
a strictly clerical degree. That is, five or so years after you graduate,
Oxford writes you a letter, asking you if you want a M.A. and asking for
some minor amount of money - ten pounds or so back in the '70s to cover
the paperwork. When my Oxford buddy Alastair Northedge told me this, I
just about fell on the floor laughing. Indeed, if you can scare up a
copy of the hilarious "1066 and all that", you will see on the title
page that one of the authors (Yeatman?) is listed as MA Oxon (failed).
When asked about it, he said he failed to find the ten pounds needed
to pay for the paperwork.
Anyway, MA's are not regarded as much different from BA's, and that is
especially true for Oxbridge.
Now for Ph.D.'s. The government funds essentially 100% of UK Ph.D.
students, consequently they want you to get done *pronto*! You have
a whopping great 4 years *max* of support to get done; and you are sort
of supposed to get done in *3* years! The British do not expect you to
take endless courses as we do in the States (for one thing, the
undergraduates are *much* more focussed on their fields, and rarely take
courses outside their major) for graduate work, so it is doable.
To get to the point, Mulder could in principle have finished a US
BA, gone to Oxford, and become Dr. Mulder in a scant three years (by
the age of 25). He needn't use the title "Dr."; most of the Ph.D.'s
I know (just about everyone in Hyde Park, and I include the cabbies,
the baggers at the Coop, and the winos, has a Ph.D.) go by "Mr" or
"Ms". It is somewhat more likely that (as the Rhodes people tend to
do) he simply got another BA. That would *also* take three years, by
the way, or 2 if he hustled (as the Rhodes folk do).
Apologies for the long-windedness...
David Derbes [lo...@midway.uchicago.edu]
(P'ton '74; Pt III Math Tripos Cantab '75, Edinburgh Ph.D. '79)
munc...@netcom.com
In article <4nadia$u...@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>,
Anderson <s_and...@social.chass.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Latini) wrote:
>>OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
>>pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
>>psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
>>psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
>>toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
>>indication that he has a PhD.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>David Latini
>>
>
>The Official Guide notes Mulder as having an "A.B." in Psychology from
>Oxford. I took this to mean as in "All But Dissertation (sp)." Anyone
>else out there have an idea?
Since I wrote that part of the Official Guide, I can answer you with a
definite NO. AB is the abbreviation for the Latin "Artium Baccalaureus"
or Bachelor's Degree here in the US. Oxford uses the Latin term (as does
Princeton: David Duchovny's degree from Princeton is an AB, not a BA).
Mulder may possibly (according to Chris Carter) have a Master's degree,
but he does not have a PhD.
Now, as to whether he can call himself a psychologist, I don't think
Mulder has ever called himself one. In the pilot, as you note, Scully
called him an "Oxford trained psychologist". She might well have been
speaking casually, not formally, in the sense that one might call someone
a Republican even though s/he is not a paid-up official member of the
Party. After all, Scully herself has an undergraduate degree in Physics,
and technically one could call her a physicist.
There is no evidence Mulder has ever practiced psychology as a
profession, or held a license from any authority in the field.
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John R. Rybock
lo...@quads.uchicago.edu (david raoul derbes) wrote:
>I did my undergraduate degree at the same place as DD, and then went to
>Cambridge (UK). Americans who wind up at either Oxford or Cambridge tend
>to get one of three degrees: a second bachelor's (A.B., for Artium
>Baccalaureus; they reverse the Latin -- Princeton does the same thing,
>pretentious if you ask me, but ... ), a Master's (M.A. -- should be
>A.M. by the same logic -- go figure) or a Ph.D. (which at Oxford and
>Cambridge is a D.Phil.)
Reverse what Latin? In America, we receive BAs, not for Baccalaureus
Artium, but for Bachlor of Arts. A.B. is simply the Latin equivalent,
not a pretentious reversal.
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David Latini
In article <4nbr3r$b...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
mentioned in an earlier post, some schools in the US give an "AB" instead
of a "BA." Usually private schools.
David Latini
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David Latini
In article <munchkynD...@netcom.com>, <munc...@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <4nadia$u...@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>,
>Anderson <s_and...@social.chass.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Latini) wrote:
<snip - my original question about Mulder's degree status>
>>The Official Guide notes Mulder as having an "A.B." in Psychology from
>>Oxford. I took this to mean as in "All But Dissertation (sp)." Anyone
>>else out there have an idea?
>
>Since I wrote that part of the Official Guide, I can answer you with a
>definite NO. AB is the abbreviation for the Latin "Artium Baccalaureus"
>or Bachelor's Degree here in the US. Oxford uses the Latin term (as does
>Princeton: David Duchovny's degree from Princeton is an AB, not a BA).
>Mulder may possibly (according to Chris Carter) have a Master's degree,
>but he does not have a PhD.
>
>Now, as to whether he can call himself a psychologist, I don't think
>Mulder has ever called himself one. In the pilot, as you note, Scully
>called him an "Oxford trained psychologist". She might well have been
>speaking casually, not formally, in the sense that one might call someone
>a Republican even though s/he is not a paid-up official member of the
>Party. After all, Scully herself has an undergraduate degree in Physics,
>and technically one could call her a physicist.
>
>There is no evidence Mulder has ever practiced psychology as a
>profession, or held a license from any authority in the field.
>
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> I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather,
> not screaming in terror like his passengers...
>****************************************************************
>
Right. "All But Dissertation" is usually abbreviated "ABD," not "AB."
Stanford, like the Oxbridge schools (and others on this side of the pond),
uses "AB," "AM," etc for "Bachelor of Arts," "Master of Arts," etc. I
know about this, having just gone from ABD to GTDDD* to PhD. :->
I don't think that Mulder has ever referred to himself as a psychologist
either. However, I thought that the FBI liked to recruit people with some
graduate training (e.g., a law degree, etc.). Makes you wonder how Mulder
got in without some sort of graduate training. Oh, well, he's still
cute. :->
Thanks for answering my question.
David Latini
*Gotten The Damn Dissertation Done
munc...@netcom.com
In article <4ncr6n$6...@elaine42.stanford.edu>,
David Latini <dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>>
>Hey, hey, hey! You can live in the U.S. and be pretentious, too. As I
>mentioned in an earlier post, some schools in the US give an "AB" instead
>of a "BA." Usually private schools.
>
>David Latini
Please explain what is pretentious about this?
Princeton is a pretty old school. When it was established, it was
customary for all students to study Latin, as it had been an established
part of the common curriculum of Europe for well over 500 years. It
makes perfect sense that their first diplomas would have been written in
Latin, and perhaps continue to be written in Latin. Sorry, I don't see
what's pretentious about this.
munc...@netcom.com
In article <4ncr1t$6...@elaine42.stanford.edu>,
David Latini <dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>I don't think that Mulder has ever referred to himself as a psychologist
>either. However, I thought that the FBI liked to recruit people with some
>graduate training (e.g., a law degree, etc.). Makes you wonder how Mulder
>got in without some sort of graduate training. Oh, well, he's still
>cute. :->
I checked the FBI's web pages, and it doesn't say you have to have a
graduate degree. Many FBI agents are already in law enforcement when
they are recruited, and they have to have *a* degree. But part of the
purpose of an intensive program of law enforcement training like Quantico
is to more or less substitute for a university program in criminology. If
you've got a degree of any kind and have been through Q, you are
qualified. Or so states John Douglas (the real "Fox Mulder", former head
of the Behavioral Sciences Unit) in "Mindhunter". He earned a degree in
economics, served in the FBI for many years, and then switched to
Behavioral Sciences. After a while he felt the need for specialized
training (and perhaps wanted a promotion), and got a degree in
psychology. I would not be surprised to learn that a graduate degree
helps your chances of promotion in the FBI, just as it does elsewhere.
>
>Thanks for answering my question.
I am here to serve.
>*Gotten The Damn Dissertation Done
ROFL!
Stephen
ro...@jpd.ch.man.ac.uk wrote:
>
> Champey (cha...@aol.com) wrote:
> : It was in the pilot - Scully was relaying her knowledge of what she knew
> : about Mulder and said that he was "an Oxford-educated Psychologist"
>
> clearly in medicine, not theoretical physics, and (b) she insisted in the
> same episode that time was absolute. If what she says in the series is
> cannonical, then she must've botched that paper something chronic.
I think Scully also has a degree in physics.
david raoul derbes
Well, there is a time in special relativity which *is* absolute; it is
called "proper time". All observers agree as to the value of proper time.
But you are correct, in that time intervals vary from observer to observer
depending on the reference frame.
David Derbes [lo...@midway.uchicago.edu]
ro...@jpd.ch.man.ac.uk
David Latini
>David Latini <dla...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>>>
>>Hey, hey, hey! You can live in the U.S. and be pretentious, too. As I
>>mentioned in an earlier post, some schools in the US give an "AB" instead
>>of a "BA." Usually private schools.
>>
>>David Latini
>
>Please explain what is pretentious about this?
>
pretentious, since I have two degrees (AM, PhD) from a school that gives
'reversed' degrees. It actually makes more sense than giving a BA, MA,
and PhD (i.e., two degrees with the initials in one order and one degree
with the initials in the opposite order).
David Latini
>
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>Sarah Stegall*http://www.webcom.com/munchkyn*munc...@netcom.com
> I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather,
> not screaming in terror like his passengers...
>****************************************************************
>
NDWEL3
Scully has an undergraduate degree in physics. Mulder does not have a
PhD. Scully went into med school after she got her physics degree
Steve Smith
David Latini wrote:
>
> OK, we've established that Scully is an MD trained as a forensic
> pathologist. We've also heard Mulder referred to as an "Oxford-trained
> psychologist." In the U.S., you have to have a PhD (or PsyD or EdD) in
> psychology to refer to oneself as a psychologist. Can anyone point me
> toward an episode where Mulder is referred to as "Dr." Mulder or any other
> indication that he has a PhD.
>
If Mulder had an undergraduate degree from Oxford it would be a BA
(which for the sum of £5, or thereabouts, is upgraded to an MA 21 terms
after matriculation) regardless of his subject. Oxford does not award
BSc's or BS's (I did my first degree in physics and I have a BA).
If he did a doctorate then he's most likely get a D.Phil. Again, Oxford
does not award Ph.D's (again using myself as an example, provided my
work goes OK, when I get my doctorate it'll be a D.Phil.)
Hope that clears things up.
Steve.
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Duggy
On 14 May 1996, Linda Grasmick wrote:
> A medical doctor (e.g. Scully) is given her due. She is thought of in
> terms of her medical/scientific expertise. But Mulder is just thought of
> as a person -- not as someone with any specific educational background or
> disciplinary expertise. As someone about to graduate with a PhD in
> nursing, I notice those things. Medical doctors are "Dr." -- but us
> PhD's are somehow "less than that" -- and a Dr. of nursing, well that's
> just considered "cute"!! -- like somehow it's not as impressive an
> accomplishment as those MD's.
A PhD entitles you to be called Dr. X.
A MD entitles you to practise as a doctor, however MD's are only called
Dr. as reference to the fact that they are doctors, though they aren't
really Dr. X. This is why surgeons are able to drop the Dr and become a
Mr again.
- Dug.
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Linda Grasmick
Duggy <coe...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>A PhD entitles you to be called Dr. X.
>A MD entitles you to practise as a doctor, however MD's are only called
>Dr. as reference to the fact that they are doctors, though they aren't
>really Dr. X. This is why surgeons are able to drop the Dr and become a
>Mr again.
If I am interpreting your address correctly, you are from Australia. I'm
sorry if I am wrong.
In the US, the titling is a wee bit different. PhD's are generally
called Dr.-- particularly in an academic setting, that recognized the PhD
as the highest academic degree. However, "on the street" so to speak,
that is not always the case. Medical doctors (of all types and levels
of education) are the ones most likely to be held in highest esteem and
called Dr. by people not connected and often therefore, not well informed
about the different academic degrees and what they signify.
As a nurse with a PhD, I will have a much lower social standing, income,
and political power within the health care system than even a new,
inexperienced physician. Most people never even think of a PhD in
nursing a possibility and when they encounter one of us, never consider
us in the same category as those with PhD's in other fields -- and as
nurses, we could "never" be considered as well educated as a physician!!!
<I write, tongue firmly planted in cheek.>
Because it is not uncommon in this country for medical doctors to placed
on such a high pedestal that no one else comes close --- the treatment of
Mulder's and Scully's educational background becomes an issue for those
of us for whom the artificially high esteem of physicians is a part of
daily life with which we struggle.
Linda
kennebec
In article <4nfdja$7...@leol.net-link.net>, step...@serv01.net-link.net wrote:
: ro...@jpd.ch.man.ac.uk wrote:
: >
:
:
: I think Scully also has a degree in physics.
HEr paper was supposed to be a debunking of Einstein, I think. I'll have
to go back and watch the pilot again, but I am sure her paper was in at
least partial disagreement.
AMY