Krycek is gay?
Macabre79
What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
And what was the sexual symbolism with Krycek giving Mulder the gun? Hello?
Sigmund?
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Macabre79 <maca...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder
the
> tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
>
There was no tongue, it was kiss on the cheek.
--
Alisoun
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Slayerette-in-training
STSWNut
>From: maca...@aol.com (Macabre79)
>What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
>tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
Russian men regular great friends with kisses on the cheek. In fact you see
that a lot in many European countries. I think it was just an acknowledgement
by Krychek that Mulder was a friend as he called him in Russian as he left....
and it's also the reason for turning over the gun.... sort of a piece offering.
Mulder really wasn't "smiling happily afterwards" as you put it.... it was
more of a stunned expression or even a disbelieving expression.... sort of like
"yeah.... why should I believe a word you say". I think in the end he was just
trying to process all of what Krychek was trying to tell him. I think that
after spending a little time thinking about it all.... he decided to "believe"
again by the time that Scully arrived and ironically annouced she wasn't sure
she believed anymore.
Rosa
Chris Sorisio
Hey! We all know Krycek is gay; they'd never have shown a man kissing
another man unless they wanted to insinuate that! Yeah! It's the
only answer!
And CSM is gay too -- that's why he has little boys coming to his
cabin!
*snort* -- Someone laughing hysterically at all the '... is gay'
nonsense
QFFI Mag1
Gay or straight, he's none too happy about it!
Magician
Telus Bee
On 9 Mar 1998 11:51:40 GMT, sts...@aol.com (STSWNut) wrote:
>>From: maca...@aol.com (Macabre79)
>
>>What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
>>tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
>
>Russian men regular great friends with kisses on the cheek. In fact you see
>that a lot in many European countries. I think it was just an acknowledgement
>by Krychek that Mulder was a friend as he called him in Russian as he left....
>and it's also the reason for turning over the gun.... sort of a piece offering.
> Mulder really wasn't "smiling happily afterwards" as you put it.... it was
>more of a stunned expression or even a disbelieving expression.... sort of like
>"yeah.... why should I believe a word you say". I think in the end he was just
>trying to process all of what Krychek was trying to tell him. I think that
>after spending a little time thinking about it all.... he decided to "believe"
>again by the time that Scully arrived and ironically annouced she wasn't sure
>she believed anymore.
>
>Rosa
A "piece" offering? How Freudian!
ORI0N PAX
how can he be gay? isn't he screwing the uni-blonder? sure she looks like a man
but...oh never mind. it was a brotherly kiss you slaggin' bunch o' homophobes!
Layna Ayre Andersen
Macabre79 wrote in message
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>What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
>tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
Mulder's astonished; Krycek's infinitely adaptable. We've known it all
along.
Layna
Smile32156
krychek is not gay. he was helping mulder. to macabre:mulder wanot smiling! i
taped te damn thing and i just watched it again!
Circe
Nick Preston wrote:
> **What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did
> Krycek give Mulder the tongue? And why did Mulder smile so
> happily afterwards? And what was the sexual symbolism with
> Krycek giving Mulder the gun? Hello?**
>
> Are you serious? I pity everyone who thinks this had
> anything to do with homosexuality, I really do.
>
Pity? Why, pray tell.
--
Circe
The Titanium Magnolia
SPCDD, MDL
X-Phile--We're not obsessed; we're focused.--gizzie
jenroses
Since when do people have to be exclusively one or the other? Er? Hm?
Brotherly kiss my ass.... Yes, perhaps it was a "buss"... but really...
With that kind of chemistry....
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fanfic stories to read."
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Occasional Janitor
On 10 Mar 1998, GeoRed wrote:
>
> >And what was the sexual symbolism with Krycek giving Mulder the gun? Hello?
>
> It was Mulder's gun that krycek had taken from him.
>
Better still!
Kathryn
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"One who thinks all the time has only thoughts to think about."
Alan Watts
Laura Trout
What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
STSWNut wrote:Russian men regular great friends with kisses on the cheek. In fact you see
that a lot in many European countries. I think it was just an acknowledgement
by Krychek that Mulder was a friend as he called him in Russian as he left....
and it's also the reason for turning over the gun.... sort of a piece offering.
Mulder really wasn't "smiling happily afterwards" as you put it.... it was
more of a stunned expression or even a disbelieving expression.... sort of like
"yeah.... why should I believe a word you say". I think in the end he was just
trying to process all of what Krychek was trying to tell him. I think that
after spending a little time thinking about it all.... he decided to "believe"
again by the time that Scully arrived and ironically annouced she wasn't sure
she believed anymore.Rosa
Just as Krycek is leaning in for the kiss, Mulder puckers up and places a kiss against the side of Krycek's mouth, then turns his head away.
Also, although it is true that Russian men kiss friends on the cheek, they are usually quick little 'pecks' on both cheeks, not a long one with a very audible *smack* at the end.
The discussion of this scene just amazes me. After 'Secrets of the X-Files' aired, there were a plethora of posts about "They *do* love each other"; and every time Mulder and Scully hold hands, hug, or show *any* sign of affection toward one another, the shippers have a field day. But let it be suggested that Mulder might have some feeling for Krycek... I keep expecting lightning bolts to come shooting out of my monitor.
The best explanation of the Mulder/Krycek dynamic I've ever seen was in the following two posts (reposted without permission) after the airing of Tunguska:
Newsgroups: alt.tv.x-files
Subject: Re: Breathe, gizzie
Date: 25 Nov 1996 11:25:03 -0500
I'm convinced. I was enjoying all the jokes before the episode about the Mulder/Krycek UST, but then I saw the ep, and in all seriousness, the UST WAS THERE. (This is my professional opinion :) ). Of course, one factor that heightened the perception of tension is that the entire episode was one big S & M fantasy (whips, horses, guns, fetish-y combat gear, bondage, bondage, bondage, half-naked men by the bucketload...my particular favorite would be bare-chested Skinner manhandling Krycek -- while Mulder watches -- and then chaining him up) but this UST is firmly rooted in M & K's actual interaction.
Think about it: if Mulder had Cancerman totally at his mercy, would he have acted the same way toward him? I think not. Maybe he would rough him up a little in the first flush of anger, but I definitely picture Mulder being disgusted at the thought of coming in physical contact with Cancerman. He hates him just as much as he hates Krycek (maybe more), but I don't think he'd be constantly searching for excuses to strike him or slam him up against walls (bodies pressed close together) and get in his face. M & K were completely physically aware of each other in every scene they were in together (in comparison, M & S might as well not even have bodies for all the physical tension _they've_ been generated together lately -- AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON M'S LATEST INTER-CONTINENTAL DITCHING OF S). The eye contact between M & K was sizzling. Sure, sure, you can try to explain it away as anger, but that's not the whole story (and I've got a couple of different theories to explain the dynamics in detail if anyone wants to hear more).
Newsgroups: alt.tv.x-files
Subject: Re: Breathe, gizzie
Date: 26 Nov 1996 12:38:35 -0500
Theory 1: Psychodynamics Strikes Again. This will come as no surprise to many of you -- Mulder was uncharacteristically violent with defenseless Krycek because HE LUSTS AFTER HIM. This attraction is totally unpalatable to his superego -- it must be repressed. Violence represses awareness of the desire in two different ways: (1) sublimation (unwanted feelings are repressed by being channeled into acceptable form); by roughing up Krycek, Mulder gets the physical contact he craves without having to admit the desire. (2) Reaction formation (unwanted feelings are repressed by acting out the opposite); by acting as if he really, really hates Krycek (like, assaulting him without provocation) he can deny the desire. But all of these defense mechanisms only keep the desire from conscious awareness; it was totally there in their body language in this ep.
Theory 2: The Two-Factor Theory of Emotion. Mulder was uncharacteristically violent with Krycek because HE LUSTS AFTER HIM. Yeah, just like the Freudian explanation, but this one doesn't involve the unconscious. This theory says that many emotions (anger, attraction, euphoria, embarassment...) consist of a generalized physiological arousal (pounding heart, etc.) plus a cognitive label. So, anger and euphoria essentially *feel* the same; the reason you know which is which when you experience them is that you look at the situation that evoked the emotion and label it in a way that makes sense. The flip side is that it is possible to mislabel arousal, and attribute it to something other than what really evoked it. Thus, Mulder is getting one shot of physiological arousal from his hate for Krycek, and another shot from his lust for him, but he's attributing the whole double shot to hatred, which is the first obvious label that comes along. So Mulder feels like he's REALLY REALLY angry, and punches the guy again. This "misattribution of arousal" has been demonstrated in tons of lab and field studies (there's a great one about an attractive female researcher and the Capilano suspension bridge in Vancouver...)
So there you have it in a nutshell.
Mrs. Fish (patiently awaiting the flames)
NFBoy
Why do cultural differnces frequently become "gay".
In the Russian tradition, it was simply a parting kiss. Ever watch the Rusian
teams in the Olympics? Men kiss each other on the cheek and even the lips.
NFBoy
Macabre79 wrote:
> What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
> tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
>
> And what was the sexual symbolism with Krycek giving Mulder the gun? Hello?
> Sigmund?
>
Jamie F. Dower
Anybody care to see the biblical reference, and get out of PC mode?
Krycek says that he was destined so to speak. Look at the biblical kiss
Judas gave to Jesus. Perhaps he is telling Mulder that he (Alex) is
finished with this, and now Mulder must fulfill the 'destiny' Mulder is
trying to figure out shortly afterwards...kind of makes a bit more sence
with the storyline, don't you think?
Nick Preston
**What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did
Krycek give Mulder the tongue? And why did Mulder smile so
happily afterwards? And what was the sexual symbolism with
Are you serious? I pity everyone who thinks this had
anything to do with homosexuality, I really do.
Nick
Iocaste
> Are you serious? I pity everyone who thinks this had
>anything to do with homosexuality, I really do.
>
> Nick
>
>
The feeling is mutual, I assure you.
Ann
ioc...@aol.com
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GeoRed
In article <19980309085...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, maca...@aol.com
(Macabre79) writes:
>What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
>tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
>
He gave tongue and I missed it? Shit.
>And what was the sexual symbolism with Krycek giving Mulder the gun? Hello?
>Sigmund?
It was Mulder's gun that krycek had taken from him.
Heidi
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"It just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter."
PHeyck
>One more time: Krycek is not Russian. His parents are, but he is
>American!!!!!
Exactly!!! That's how I understand it. And even if he was born and raised
in Russia (not that he was), how many men has he gone around kissing?
Peter Heyck "Well yes - he was chaotic evil then, too,
but that doesn't Email: PHe...@aol.com mean that he didn't know how to
have a good time!"
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aka Louise
[Mrs. Fish <mrs_...@hotmail.com> wrote:]
> From: maca...@aol.com (Macabre79)
>
> > What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
> > tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
because they're in love.
> > STSWNut wrote:
> >
> > Russian men regular great friends with kisses on the cheek. In fact you see
> > that a lot in many European countries. I think it was just an
> > acknowledgement by Krychek that Mulder was a friend as he called him in
> > Russian as he left... and it's also the reason for turning over the
gun.... > > sort of a piece offering.
heh, heh. yeah, as in "he only gave me a PIECE this time."
> > Mulder really wasn't "smiling happily afterwards" as you put it.... it was
> > more of a stunned expression or even a disbelieving expression.... sort of
> > like "yeah.... why should I believe a word you say". I think in the
end he > > was just trying to process all of what Krychek was trying to
tell him. I
> > think that after spending a little time thinking about it all.... he
> > decided to "believe" again by the time that Scully arrived and ironically
> > annouced she wasn't sure she believed anymore.
>
> Well I hate to burst all the Shippers' bubbles, but not only did Krycek kiss
> Mulder, but Mulder kissed back. I have frame-by-frame playback capability on
> my VCR and did just that.
>
> Just as Krycek is leaning in for the kiss, Mulder puckers up and places a kiss
> against the side of Krycek's mouth, then turns his head away.
well, what do you know? i also have a "slow" button on my VCR, and viewing
it for the 40th time (of the 800 times i will probably end up seeing it) i
see that you're actually right. i wouldn't necessarily say that Mulder
*puckers*, but he definitely kisses back - damn, for the first time i wish
i had video capture, because there's one frame in particular i'd love to
have as a still - both of their eyes are closed and Mulder's mouth is
curled up towards Krycek's cheek - damn, that's hot.
> Also, although it is true that Russian men kiss friends on the cheek, they are
> usually quick little 'pecks' on both cheeks, not a long one with a very
> audible *smack* at the end.
yeah - since when is the long, soulful, drawn-out cheek kiss on one side
only a custom among European men?!
> The discussion of this scene just amazes me. After 'Secrets of the X-Files'
> aired, there were a plethora of posts about "They *do* love each other"; and
> every time Mulder and Scully hold hands, hug, or show *any* sign of
affection > toward one another, the shippers have a field day. But let it
be suggested
> that Mulder might have some feeling for Krycek... I keep expecting lightning
> bolts to come shooting out of my monitor.
[pertinent and insightful repost of explanation of Krycek/Mulder dynamic
snipped]
don't worry, all the slashers are coming out (heh) for this battle. it's
just the same as the Shipper/NoRomo debate, just *even* more emotionally
charged on the part of those denying the subtext, if such a thing is
possible.
- Sekoorb
aka Louise
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Rick
Macabre79 wrote:
>
> What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
> tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
>
> Sigmund?
>
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Circe wrote:
>
> Nick Preston wrote:
>
> > **What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did
> > Krycek give Mulder the tongue? And why did Mulder smile so
> > happily afterwards? And what was the sexual symbolism with
> >
> > Are you serious? I pity everyone who thinks this had
> > anything to do with homosexuality, I really do.
> >
>
>
> --
> Circe
> The Titanium Magnolia
> SPCDD, MDL
> X-Phile--We're not obsessed; we're focused.--gizzie
incident to legimize their deviant behavior!
SassyGrrl
Rick wrote:
> Circe wrote:
>
> >
> > Pity? Why, pray tell.
> >
> > --
> > Circe
> > The Titanium Magnolia
> > SPCDD, MDL
> > X-Phile--We're not obsessed; we're focused.--gizzie
> pity, because these people are obviously looking for yet another
> incident to legimize their deviant behavior!
Ah, yes Rick. We need to legitimize ourselves by getting the approval of
people like you. Gosh, if only Krycek were gay.. then all of the
closed-minded bigots of the world would suddenly change thier minds and
think "Gay is Good!!"
Beth, who doubts the kiss was "gay!Krycek", but gets pissed that it
bothers so many people that it might be construed that way.
NickX15
>
> Beth, who doubts the kiss was "gay!Krycek", but gets pissed that it
> bothers so many people that it might be construed that way.
The reaction that bothers me has nothing to do with gay per se (not that
there's anything wrong with that) but the fact that so many people are
apparently so desperate for a sex angle...ANY sex angle...in the show
that they will actually entertain the absurdity that the kiss was sexual
in nature. It's like thinking that all men of certain cultures are gay
if they greet each other with a kiss on the cheek.
Casey
Iocaste wrote:
>
> >Let's go watch Xena!
> >
> >
> >
>
> Xena? There's nothing gay about Xena! Just because she and Gabrielle took a
> NAKED bath together doesn't mean there's anything homosexual going on there --
> after all, they're in Ancient Greece, and naked baths is an Ancient Greek
> custom! I can't believe you all think that they're gay just because they're
> from another culture! What is wrong with you Americans?
>
> Ann
> ioc...@aol.com
> ________________________________________________
> "Let them have the waltz; they cannot have the calculus."
> -- Tom Stoppard, Arcadia
Actually I believe naked baths are a custom everywhere. I know in my
house, baths are always taken naked.
As for Xena, sorry, the show readily admits to playing to the gay
audience by straddling the fence. Lucy Lawless actively goes into gay
bars for autograph sessions. It is done on purpose...and for
fun...sorry to disappoint.
Tara Charnow
Casey wrote:
>
> Iocaste wrote:
> > Xena? There's nothing gay about Xena! Just because she and Gabrielle took a
> > NAKED bath together doesn't mean there's anything homosexual going on there --
> > after all, they're in Ancient Greece, and naked baths is an Ancient Greek
> > custom! I can't believe you all think that they're gay just because they're
> > from another culture! What is wrong with you Americans?
> >
> As for Xena, sorry, the show readily admits to playing to the gay
> audience by straddling the fence. Lucy Lawless actively goes into gay
> bars for autograph sessions. It is done on purpose...and for
> fun...sorry to disappoint.
Okay, go to the library, and read Intro To Sarcasm. A show is an object,
not a person--it cannot admit to anything. I thought lesbians didn't
like to straddle the fence. How, exactly, does one 'actively' go into a
gay bar? Is her tongue hanging out? Whom do you think you are
disappointing by posting this? The person whose humor you didn't get in
the first place?
Tara
Super!Bitch
Jo
Circe wrote in message <3504798C...@mindspring.com>...
>
>
>STSWNut wrote:
>> Russian men regular great friends with kisses on the cheek.
>
>One more time: Krycek is not Russian. His parents are, but he is
American!!!!!
>
Most first and second generation Americans tend to be exposed to their
parents culture and usually adopt certain mannerism. Some even pick up on
the language but most don't suddenly loose their heritage.
Krycek my have been born and bread in America but his parents could have
installed a strong Russian culture while he was growing up.
Digger
SassyGrrl wrote:
>
> Rick wrote:
>
> > Circe wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Pity? Why, pray tell.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Circe
> > > The Titanium Magnolia
> > > SPCDD, MDL
> > > X-Phile--We're not obsessed; we're focused.--gizzie
> > pity, because these people are obviously looking for yet another
> > incident to legimize their deviant behavior!
>
> Ah, yes Rick. We need to legitimize ourselves by getting the approval of
> people like you. Gosh, if only Krycek were gay.. then all of the
> closed-minded bigots of the world would suddenly change thier minds and
> think "Gay is Good!!"
>
> bothers so many people that it might be construed that way.
Let's go watch Xena!
Iocaste
>Let's go watch Xena!
>
>
>
Xena? There's nothing gay about Xena! Just because she and Gabrielle took a
NAKED bath together doesn't mean there's anything homosexual going on there --
after all, they're in Ancient Greece, and naked baths is an Ancient Greek
custom! I can't believe you all think that they're gay just because they're
from another culture! What is wrong with you Americans?
Iocaste
>As for Xena, sorry, the show readily admits to playing to the gay
>audience by straddling the fence. Lucy Lawless actively goes into gay
>bars for autograph sessions. It is done on purpose...and for
>fun...sorry to disappoint.
I can't believe I'm even bothering to reply to this, but --
Nope. Never mind.
Sigh.
Unruhe77
Peter Heyck wrote:
>Exactly!!! That's how I understand it. And even if he was born and raised
>in Russia (not that he was), how many men has he gone around kissing?
>
>
In private of public?
Mike the Mad
(Spotlighting from Spotnitz Sanitarium)
"Never criticize someone before you've walked a mile in his shoes. That way
when you do, you'll be a mile away and you'll have his shoes." Anonymous
stone...@webtv.net
Krycek couldn't possibly be gay: remember the way he and the blonde --
who I assume is a woman -- attacked each other outside the kid's cell.
At most, you can speculate on whether he's bi.
Houng Te
>> Are you serious? I pity everyone who thinks this had
>>anything to do with homosexuality, I really do.
>>
>> Nick
I pity everyone who Mulder touching Scully's hand means he loves her
Crazy Diamond
Macabre79 wrote in message
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>What the heck was that one scene all about? Why did Krycek give Mulder the
>tongue? And why did Mulder smile so happily afterwards?
The scene was fully intended to sway Ellen fans over to the XF; the people
at 1013 want to rule the world. Mulder smiled because it was so very yucky.
Yucky things make Mulder smile. That's why he chases yucky things all over
the world.
>And what was the sexual symbolism with Krycek giving Mulder the gun?
Hello?
>Sigmund?
The TV images were displayed to stimulate responses from your mind. Your
mind responded to the images and interpreted them as being sexual in nature.
Genitalia were not displayed in any of the images. It's possible that
you're a mental pervert. It's okay though. We will appear to accept you
for what you are, but we'll snicker and point when you're looking the other
way. It's very yucky to think of these things. So very, very yucky.
-- Crazy Diamond
SassyGrrl
Iocaste wrote:
> >Let's go watch Xena!
> >
> >
> >
>
> Xena? There's nothing gay about Xena! Just because she and Gabrielle took a
> NAKED bath together doesn't mean there's anything homosexual going on there --
> after all, they're in Ancient Greece, and naked baths is an Ancient Greek
> custom! I can't believe you all think that they're gay just because they're
> from another culture! What is wrong with you Americans?
>
> Ann
> ioc...@aol.com
> ________________________________________________
> "Let them have the waltz; they cannot have the calculus."
> -- Tom Stoppard, Arcadia
*sigh* Mental note to self.. stop drinking coffee _immediately_ whenever you come
across a post by Ann.
-Beth, who has only seen about three episodes of Xena, the *kiss* ep being one. :)
Rick
sick of hearing the crying about how unfair it is that your behavior is
not excepted by the mainstream.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEHAVIOR HERE. I just don't want to be constantly
bothered by your private behavior. PRIVATE is the work here. So why
don't you just keep that shit to yourself (no punn intended) and just
talk about the public issues in public. Keep your private sexual
behavior private, and we'll get along just fine.
And by the way, YOU people usually do the name calling (ie. bigot), but
I guess that's OK for you.... Only us close-minded bigots have to watch
what we say.
And in closing, isn't this the X-Files NG or the Ellen NG?
Homosexuality has never been a sugject on the X-Files, but listening to
people like you, one would get the impression that it's an everyday
topic on the show.
Julsb
Rick, the kind of het who gives the rest of us a bad name, spouted:
>Here's the thing, I don't sit around all day talking about bush,
thank god, you know how i feel about that bloody band - ohhhh, you didn't MEAN
the band, did you? :P
what you actually intended to convey was that you are a straight male who
doesn't think about sex every six seconds. being as the REST of the human race
(straight, gay, male and female) is widely assumed to be thinking about sex
every six seconds, i'd have to assume that your main problem is with sex,
rather than orientation.
> and I'm
>sick of hearing the crying about how unfair it is that your behavior is
>not excepted by the mainstream.
>
*snort* according to the 'mainstream', sex takes place in the missionary
position between married people for the SOLE purpose of procreating. on behalf
of no other straight woman but myself, i'll ask you to keep the 'mainstream'
out of this little tete-a-tete.
>WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEHAVIOR HERE. I just don't want to be constantly
>bothered by your private behavior.
wonderful. as i'm sure most gay men & women would rather not have hetrosexual
culture shoved down their throats every second of their lives.
i know - let's get rid of ALL references to sex in society, and live in a
strictly puritanical way! that way, NO-ONE is ever offended! (especially Rick,
who'd rather not know that the rest of us are thinking about sex every six
seconds)
> PRIVATE is the work here. So why
>don't you just keep that shit to yourself (no punn intended)
it's a good thing you didn't intend to write a pun, Rick - there isn't one.
according to my trusty Oxford, a 'pun' is 'the humourous use of a word to
suggest different meanings'. being as you've used neither humour nor a clever
double meaning, you've missed a making a pun on both counts.
oh well, i guess that writing career just slipped down the toilet...
>and just
>talk about the public issues in public. Keep your private sexual
>behavior private, and we'll get along just fine.
>
yeah yeah yeah, JUST the way we straights keep OUR sexual behavour private and
unspoken of.
>And by the way, YOU people usually do the name calling (ie. bigot), but
>I guess that's OK for you.... Only us close-minded bigots have to watch
>what we say.
no, Rick, i'm quite willing to call you a bigot as well. and i'm not even one
of THOSE people.
julianna
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ggg SWILS GABAL OBSSE
Sick!Llama XV Illegal Alien Purveyor of Fine Svens
Kimberly Wadsworth
And then, after everyone else had fallen silent, Rick
<TheCP...@aol.com> suddenly said:
>Here's the thing, I don't sit around all day talking about bush, and I'm
>sick of hearing the crying about how unfair it is that your behavior is
>not excepted by the mainstream.
[remainder snipped]
(Kim takes very deep breath)
Okay. In all fairness, this is a single person's opinion, and he is
indeed entitled to that opinion.
However, it is MY opinion that I feel like apologizing for this post
on behalf of all heterosexuals.
Kim W. - straight, but not narrow
Please remove "go'way" if replying via e-mail. And blame the spammers. Thanks.
GeoRed
>The reaction that bothers me has nothing to do with gay per se (not that
>there's anything wrong with that) but the fact that so many people are
>apparently so desperate for a sex angle...ANY sex angle...in the show
>that they will actually entertain the absurdity that the kiss was sexual
>in nature. It's like thinking that all men of certain cultures are gay
>if they greet each other with a kiss on the cheek.
Desperate? I think it's called a fantasy life........
And a hot one at that.
Bill K.
On 11 Mar 1998 03:10:48 GMT, ioc...@aol.com (Iocaste) wrote:
>>Let's go watch Xena!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>Xena? There's nothing gay about Xena! Just because she and Gabrielle took a
>NAKED bath together doesn't mean there's anything homosexual going on there --
>after all, they're in Ancient Greece, and naked baths is an Ancient Greek
>custom! I can't believe you all think that they're gay just because they're
>from another culture! What is wrong with you Americans?
>
>
>Ann
>ioc...@aol.com
>________________________________________________
>"Let them have the waltz; they cannot have the calculus."
> -- Tom Stoppard, Arcadia
Let's make a Xena thread !
Xena : Are you sitting on the soap , Gabrielle ?
Gabrielle : Oh ! That's what that was.
Bill k
Occasional Janitor
On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Bill K. wrote:
>
> Let's make a Xena thread !
>
> Xena : Are you sitting on the soap , Gabrielle ?
>
> Gabrielle : Oh ! That's what that was.
>
Kathryn
Occasional Janitor
http://members.tripod.com/~shadesfromcma
"One who thinks all the time has only thoughts to think about."
Alan Watts
Grispy
In article <6e84k6$m...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
SassyGrrl <rea...@NOSPAM.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Julsb wrote:
>> Rick, the kind of het who gives the rest of us a bad name, spouted:
[...]
*SNIP* the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard followed by fluffy erasers
and rainbow-chalk responses :)
What a relief! My brain wasn't awake enough to respond to
that...uh...*post* of Rick's, but it doesn't seem to be necessary after
all. >:D
Sleepy Gil
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In article <19980311170...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, ju...@aol.com
(Julsb) writes:
>i know - let's get rid of ALL references to sex in society, and live in a
>strictly puritanical way! that way, NO-ONE is ever offended! (especially
>Rick,
>who'd rather not know that the rest of us are thinking about sex every six
>seconds)
By my standards, we *already* live in a puritanical society.
As a straight female, I was terribly offended by Rick. I can only imagine how
gay men and women must feel about guys like him.
Brian Mueller
Houng Te wrote:
>I pity everyone who Mulder touching Scully's hand means he loves her
Why wouldn't he love her?
I had a relationship like that once........[reminiscent
pause].....long story. Point being that just because they haven't been
in bed together doesn't mean they aren't in love... (or at least, it
doesn't mean that mulder doesn't love scully, despite reciprocation or
lack thereof) :-)
----
Brian Mueller
E-mail: mulder78 at ix dot netcom dot com
20 year old male, in Morgan Hill, California, USA
(ten miles south of San Jose, California)
SassyGrrl
Rick wrote:
>
>
> > > Ah, yes Rick. We need to legitimize ourselves by getting the approval of
> > > people like you. Gosh, if only Krycek were gay.. then all of the
> > > closed-minded bigots of the world would suddenly change thier minds and
> > > think "Gay is Good!!"
> > >
> > > Beth, who doubts the kiss was "gay!Krycek", but gets pissed that it
> > > bothers so many people that it might be construed that way.
> >
> > Let's go watch Xena!
> Here's the thing, I don't sit around all day talking about bush, and I'm
> sick of hearing the crying about how unfair it is that your behavior is
> not excepted by the mainstream.
>
I'm sure all of the straight women on the ng are thankul for that. And Alan
thought the Yogi/Booboo image was repulsive.
> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEHAVIOR HERE. I just don't want to be constantly
> bothered by your private behavior. PRIVATE is the work here. So why
> don't you just keep that shit to yourself (no punn intended) and just
> talk about the public issues in public. Keep your private sexual
> behavior private, and we'll get along just fine.
>
This is interesting. Why haven't you posted telling people not to talk about sex
when Mulder touches Scully's hair, or looks deep into her eyes? A few days ago,
I saw a post by a guy who said something about his wife. Obviously, he didn't
feel a need to censor his 'behaviour'. I don't have a problem hearing about some
guy's straight wedding. I don't find it even a little disgusting when Heidi
*thuds* over something. I can even cyber-fantasize over John Cusack (although I
admittedly wouldn't do him in real life.)
> And by the way, YOU people usually do the name calling (ie. bigot), but
> I guess that's OK for you.... Only us close-minded bigots have to watch
> what we say.
>
Hmmm.. it wasn't name calling to call everyone on this ng a 'closet case'?
Actually, I'm sorry for calling you names. I do apologize. I appreciate you.
Reading your post reminds me that it's easy to keep a sense of humor about
non-tolerance.
> And in closing, isn't this the X-Files NG or the Ellen NG?
> Homosexuality has never been a sugject on the X-Files, but listening to
> people like you, one would get the impression that it's an everyday
> topic on the show.
I know.. Christ, it's getting ridiculous.. How dare all of those fags and dykes
think they can watch any show except Ellen?! (Well, and Kids in the Hall) In
fact, reading this newsgroup, you might think Peeps were an everyday topic on
the X-files. Or that John Cuasck was a recurring guest star.. (Side note to
gizzie: I'm just kidding about the Peeps...:)
So anyway, I was in bed with my girlfriend the other day...
-Beth
SassyGrrl
Julsb wrote:
> Rick, the kind of het who gives the rest of us a bad name, spouted:
>
*grin* But, as I don't expect everyone to take my words as the 'voice of the dyke
world', nor do I lump all hets into the Rick catagory. :)
>
>
> what you actually intended to convey was that you are a straight male who
> doesn't think about sex every six seconds. being as the REST of the human race
> (straight, gay, male and female) is widely assumed to be thinking about sex
> every six seconds, i'd have to assume that your main problem is with sex,
> rather than orientation.
>
Um, I have a confession to make.. I think about sex every twenty seconds. Am I
still normal?
>
>
> *snort* according to the 'mainstream', sex takes place in the missionary
> position between married people for the SOLE purpose of procreating. on behalf
> of no other straight woman but myself, i'll ask you to keep the 'mainstream'
> out of this little tete-a-tete.
>
Speaking of "mainstream".. I was watching _Roswell_ last night.The one with Kyle
McLaughlin (He's not an X-files actor, I don't have to spell his name right!!!!)
At the end, they said that one in ten Americans believe that we are not alone. One
in ten Americans are gay. Hey, Rick.. have you ever been abducted by aliens? :)
> wonderful. as i'm sure most gay men & women would rather not have hetrosexual
> culture shoved down their throats every second of their lives.
>
Well, I don't care what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, as long as I
don't have to see it, hear about it, ackowledge it's existence, etc.. :) Seriously
though:There are gays who are as opposed to straights as Rick is to me. One
bothers me as much as the other.
> i know - let's get rid of ALL references to sex in society, and live in a
> strictly puritanical way! that way, NO-ONE is ever offended! (especially Rick,
> who'd rather not know that the rest of us are thinking about sex every six
> seconds)
>
Um, does this mean I'm not allowed to mention nibbling John Cusack's tootsies? I
had a hetero-erotic dream the other night about him. Good thing I'm secure enough
in my sexuality to accept it for what it is.. a fantasy.. :)
> it's a good thing you didn't intend to write a pun, Rick - there isn't one.
> according to my trusty Oxford, a 'pun' is 'the humourous use of a word to
> suggest different meanings'. being as you've used neither humour nor a clever
> double meaning, you've missed a making a pun on both counts.
>
> oh well, i guess that writing career just slipped down the toilet...
>
Julianna, I hope you won't be offended that I have a huge crush on you now. :)
>
>
> yeah yeah yeah, JUST the way we straights keep OUR sexual behavour private and
> unspoken of.
>
If that was true, we'd miss the pleasure of about 90 percent of gizzie's posts.
And I, for one, would consider that a terrrible loss. I look forward to spitting
my coffee all over the monitor whenever Byers name comes up in her posts. :)
> no, Rick, i'm quite willing to call you a bigot as well. and i'm not even one
> of THOSE people.
>
> julianna
> *********************************************************************
> ggg SWILS GABAL OBSSE
> Sick!Llama XV Illegal Alien Purveyor of Fine Svens
So, these two gay guy I know were slow dancing the other night at the biz.. and
one of them slips his hand up the other's back in a slow, seductive moment... and
I thought, wouldn't it be cool to see Mulder and Krycek dancing together? :)
-Beth
Alisoun
Kate wrote in article <6e6atq$d...@drn.newsguy.com>...
> In article <19980311034...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
ioc...@aol.com
> says...
> >
> >>As for Xena, sorry, the show readily admits to playing to the gay
> >>audience by straddling the fence. Lucy Lawless actively goes into gay
> >>bars for autograph sessions. It is done on purpose...and for
> >>fun...sorry to disappoint.
> >
> >I can't believe I'm even bothering to reply to this, but --
> >Nope. Never mind.
> >Sigh.
>
>
No, you do and the original poster do. Ann/ Iocaste made a joke about
Xena's subtext but it was taken seriously by the original poster, and Ann
didn't bother to explain to them that it was a joke.
Julsb
Beth wrote:
>Julianna, I hope you won't be offended that I have a huge crush on you now.
>:)
*blush*
offended? of COURSE not. not only would it be completely silly of me, but it
would also bring me a step closer to being one of 'us close-minded bigots
(TM)'.
*shudder*
> So, these two gay guy I know were slow dancing the other night >at the biz..
and
>one of them slips his hand up the other's back in a slow, seductive >moment...
and
>I thought, wouldn't it be cool to see Mulder and Krycek dancing >together? :)
TOO right... ;)
now here's a question: if blokes have a 'thing' about lesbians, and het chicks
have a 'thing' about gay men, does this mean endless sexual frustration is a
natural feature of hetrosexuality? ;)
Jack Ryan
Julsb wrote:
>
> now here's a question: if blokes have a 'thing' about lesbians, and het chicks have a 'thing' about gay men, does this mean endless sexual frustration is a natural feature of hetrosexuality? ;)
>
> julianna
Yes and No...does that clear up my stance?
Anyway, I always wondered about the hetero female view of this topic.
This ng has enlightened me a little. Every female I know, when I tell
them of the male lesbian fascination, tells me that sex between
homosexual men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PUT THE KIDS
TO BED ALERT!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<(ie. penetration)
was in fact a turn-off. It's been explained to me that it's the more
feminine attributes of some gay men that they find attractive. In that
it is a quality non-existent in so many hetero males. What is the true
story?
Jack (who shares Howard Stern's love of lesbians)
Layna Ayre Andersen
Jack Ryan wrote in message <350824...@wkmg.com>...
>Julsb wrote:
>>
>> now here's a question: if blokes have a 'thing' about lesbians, and het
chicks have a 'thing' about gay men, does this mean endless sexual
frustration is a natural feature of hetrosexuality? ;)
>> julianna
>
>Yes and No...does that clear up my stance?
I always thought that was a natural feature of just about *everything*! ;-)
>Anyway, I always wondered about the hetero female view of this topic.
>This ng has enlightened me a little. Every female I know, when I tell
>them of the male lesbian fascination, tells me that sex between
>homosexual men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PUT THE KIDS
>TO BED ALERT!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<(ie. penetration)
>was in fact a turn-off. It's been explained to me that it's the more
>feminine attributes of some gay men that they find attractive. In that
>it is a quality non-existent in so many hetero males. What is the true
>story?
It varies. Lots. Some never so much as think of it, let alone be turned on
or off; others revel in it.
LOTS of others. ;-)
Layna
Julsb
>Every female I know, when I tell
>them of the male lesbian fascination, tells me that sex between
the more
>feminine attributes of some gay men that they find attractive. In that
>it is a quality non-existent in so many hetero males. What is the true
>story?
ummm...they're lying? ;)
i'm afraid it's the MASCULINE attributes that i like about men. straight or
gay. period. shoulders, hips, chests, hands, and...well, ALL the rest.
i'm not sure what you mean by 'feminine attributes' - do you mean traditionally
feminine roles, having feelings, or generally showing more sensitivity than a
brick?
Rachel
In article <6e84k6$m...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, SassyGrrl
<rea...@NOSPAM.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> So, these two gay guy I know were slow dancing the other night at the
biz.. >and one of them slips his hand up the other's back in a slow,
seductive >moment... and I thought, wouldn't it be cool to see Mulder and
Krycek dancing >together? :)
>
> -Beth
What a perfect scene that would be! I wonder how they could work into in
the script? Maybe a Bugs Bunny-type scene, where Mulder is attacking
Krycek, and Krycek grabs his arms and starts to dance with him instead
... Even better, remember the Carter/Anderson/Duchovny Rolling Stone
cover two years ago? I think we need one with Mulder and Krycek.
-Rachel
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Julsb wrote:
>now here's a question: if blokes have a 'thing' about lesbians, and het chicks
>have a 'thing' about gay men, does this mean endless sexual frustration is a
>natural feature of hetrosexuality? ;)
I would say that sexual frustration is a natural consequence of
sentience (wheather said sentient being is homosexual or
heterosexual).
Rachel
In article <6e8vop$a...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Layna Ayre Andersen"
<la...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Anyway, I always wondered about the hetero female view of this topic.
> >them of the male lesbian fascination, tells me that sex between
> >TO BED ALERT!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<(ie. penetration)
> >feminine attributes of some gay men that they find attractive. In that
> >it is a quality non-existent in so many hetero males. What is the true
> >story?
>
>
> or off; others revel in it.
>
> LOTS of others. ;-)
>
> Layna
Oh, yeah. Lots and lots of others. Lots and lots and *lots* of others.
SassyGrrl
Rachel wrote:
> In article <6e84k6$m...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, SassyGrrl
> <rea...@NOSPAM.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > So, these two gay guy I know were slow dancing the other night at the
> biz.. >and one of them slips his hand up the other's back in a slow,
> seductive >moment... and I thought, wouldn't it be cool to see Mulder and
> Krycek dancing >together? :)
> >
> > -Beth
>
> What a perfect scene that would be! I wonder how they could work into in
> the script? Maybe a Bugs Bunny-type scene, where Mulder is attacking
> Krycek, and Krycek grabs his arms and starts to dance with him instead
> ... Even better, remember the Carter/Anderson/Duchovny Rolling Stone
> cover two years ago? I think we need one with Mulder and Krycek.
>
David seems to like playing with his image, he'd probably do it. We could
make it more interesting ot the masses and add Skinner as well. There might
be a *few* people on this ng who'd like to see him naked. :)Or, you know,
they have to go undercover and pose as a couple or something, ala Drew Carey
when he was trying to get medical insurance for his dog, so he pretended to
have a same-sex partner since those benefits were covered.
-Beth
Lanshark
Digger <kdca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Let's go watch Xena!
*snort!* great comeback! And I totally agree with Beth in a post or two
back. She said much better than I could exactly what I was thinking.
As for the Biblical angle, I don't buy it. Judas was trusted friend. Mulder
has already been betrayed by Krycek once, and expects nothing else from
him. There must be trust before there can be betrayal. I don't think that
exists between Mulder and Krycek, now, or anytime in the near future.
--lanshark
Michael Gosselin
ju...@aol.com (my favourite julianna) wrote:
> now here's a question: if blokes have a 'thing' about lesbians, and het chicks
> have a 'thing' about gay men, does this mean endless sexual frustration is a
> natural feature of hetrosexuality? ;)
No. Just male hetersexuality. That's why all men should be lesbians. :-)
--
Michael Gosselin
Luck is a fool; the door to success is always marked "Push".
(From the Harvard Student Handbook, 1906)
Lanshark
Rick <TheCP...@aol.com> wrote:
> Keep your private sexual behavior private, and we'll get along just fine.
Oh, come on! We's jes havin' a lil fun :)
This is the X-Files newsgroup, yes. That means that if we discuss a kiss
that happened in an episode of the X-Files, between two major X-Files
characters, it belongs here. A discussion of what that kiss means and the
various interpretations on the said osculatory event is hence also
appropriate-- In This Newsgroup. This discussion wouldn't be appropriate
in the Ellen newsgroup. Now you may disagree with the interpretation that
some have chosen to make. Some posts about some topics on this newsgroup
bore me too (or piss me off). May I suggest you skip or kill file threads
you don't like?
And second of all:
Rick, you are laboring under some serious misapprehensions. First of all,
most of the folks here who have been arguing on the side of a homoerotic
interpretation of the Mulder-Krycek kiss, are straight women. They just
happen to be straight women who get off on seeing two handsome men together.
Some of these folks have been arguing for a long time that there has been
a hint (or more) of homoerotic tension between Mulder and Krycek for
some time. The kiss is simply more ammunition for their case.
The other point is that the people arguing for this interpretation are
not trying to further some political or social agenda. Gay and bi-sexual
people *do* exist in the real world. And some of them might be in the
X-Files. Alex Krycek could conceivably be bi-sexual and have an amorous
interest in Agent Mulder. Then again, he may not. We don't know. We
like to speculate on all aspects of the X-Files, and relationships (sexual
or non-sexual or somewhere in-between) are all fair game. Mulder/Scully fans
do this all the time too. It's fun, and I honestly don't see the difference.
In anycase, don't you think making Alex Krycek, a murderer, coward and a liar
(in Mulder's own words) into some kind of gay-bi role model a little ludicrous?
Regards,
Sonja
--lans...@io.com
SassyGrrl
Lanshark wrote:
> Digger <kdca...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > Let's go watch Xena!
>
> *snort!* great comeback! And I totally agree with Beth in a post or two
> back. She said much better than I could exactly what I was thinking.
>
That would have been the post where I said that I'm the Sex Goddess of the
Universe and all shall bow before me in awe and lust, right? :)
> As for the Biblical angle, I don't buy it. Judas was trusted friend. Mulder
> has already been betrayed by Krycek once, and expects nothing else from
> him. There must be trust before there can be betrayal. I don't think that
> exists between Mulder and Krycek, now, or anytime in the near future.
>
It was passionate, it was intense and it shocked the hell out of Mulder.
> --lanshark
-Beth
graeme duer macdonald
In article <6e59fc$qle$1...@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net>,
<stone...@webtv.net> wrote:
>Krycek couldn't possibly be gay: remember the way he and the blonde --
>who I assume is a woman -- attacked each other outside the kid's cell.
>At most, you can speculate on whether he's bi.
Hey, maybe Marita was just Krycek's "beard". [I just learned that word,
thanks to this ng! Yay!]
Besides.... I'm of the mind that Krycek was using Marita. I mean, I guess
that's obvious enough.... but he was using the whole sex angle to try and
win her over. And of course, she was doing the same thing to him, which
was the last thing he expected (because who could resist the charms of
Alex Krycek?), and that's why she won and got to run off with the boy.
I'm sure that the Krycek/Marita kiss was so passionate on his end because
he was picturing her as Mulder. =)
Graeme MacD - i'm having way too much fun with this... =)
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we borrow it from our children.
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Rachel
In article <6eavak$g...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, SassyGrrl
<rea...@NOSPAM.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> That would have been the post where I said that I'm the Sex Goddess of the
> Universe and all shall bow before me in awe and lust, right? :)
>
> > As for the Biblical angle, I don't buy it. Judas was trusted friend. Mulder
> > has already been betrayed by Krycek once, and expects nothing else from
> > him. There must be trust before there can be betrayal. I don't think that
> > exists between Mulder and Krycek, now, or anytime in the near future.
> It was passionate, it was intense and it shocked the hell out of Mulder.
> -Beth
It shocked the hell out of Mulder, but not exaclty unpleasantly ...
Rachel
In article <6e9hoh$3...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, SassyGrrl
<rea...@NOSPAM.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Rachel wrote:
> > What a perfect scene that would be! I wonder how they could work into in
> > the script? Maybe a Bugs Bunny-type scene, where Mulder is attacking
> > Krycek, and Krycek grabs his arms and starts to dance with him instead
> > ... Even better, remember the Carter/Anderson/Duchovny Rolling Stone
> > cover two years ago? I think we need one with Mulder and Krycek.
> >
>
> David seems to like playing with his image, he'd probably do it. We could
> make it more interesting ot the masses and add Skinner as well. There might
> be a *few* people on this ng who'd like to see him naked. :)Or, you know,
> they have to go undercover and pose as a couple or something, ala Drew Carey
> when he was trying to get medical insurance for his dog, so he pretended to
> have a same-sex partner since those benefits were covered.
>
> -Beth
A professor where I work (Medill School of Journalism, a school in
Northwestern University) is a contributing editor at Rolling Stone. I
think I'm going to forward this idea to him. Probably won't go anywhere,
but hell, if he so much as mentions it, we'd be farther along then we are
at the moment.
And I love the idea of them having to go undercover as a couple. Because
you know, with the sexual tension that already exists, they couldn't
pretend for long without it actually happeing :-)
Rachel
In article <6eb4en$aih$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, gmac...@students.uiuc.edu
(graeme duer macdonald) wrote:
> Besides.... I'm of the mind that Krycek was using Marita. I mean, I guess
> that's obvious enough.... but he was using the whole sex angle to try and
> win her over. And of course, she was doing the same thing to him, which
> was the last thing he expected (because who could resist the charms of
> Alex Krycek?), and that's why she won and got to run off with the boy.
>
> I'm sure that the Krycek/Marita kiss was so passionate on his end because
> he was picturing her as Mulder. =)
>
> Graeme MacD - i'm having way too much fun with this... =)
Who could resist Krycek? Now there's an interesting question. Just
curious, is there anyone on this ng who doesn't find him beautiful beyond
belief, Ratboy nature or no?
And let me go on record as wholeheartedly endorsing your Krycek/Marita
kiss theory (but wasn't it nice to see him that passionate? I've
rewatched that scene a bit too many times as well ;-))
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stone...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Krycek couldn't possibly be gay:
> remember the way he and the blonde --
> who I assume is a woman -- attacked
> each other outside the kid's cell.
> At most, you can speculate on whether he's bi.
Yep. Krycek is bi. Krycek is also a hermaphrodite
which means he has both kinds of sex organs.
Therefore, Krycek is also both male and female.
Therefore, Krycek is both a lesbian (because he's
female) and he's also a gay male (because he's
male). Krycek is a lesbian guy.
Shawn Hill
NickX15 (nic...@erols.com) wrote:
: >
: > Beth, who doubts the kiss was "gay!Krycek", but gets pissed that it
: > bothers so many people that it might be construed that way.
: that they will actually entertain the absurdity that the kiss was sexual
: in nature. It's like thinking that all men of certain cultures are gay
: if they greet each other with a kiss on the cheek.
Or like thinking that (*gasp!*) everyone has the potential to do something ... gay?
Or like, with the shippers, noticing how sex can be seen as permeating many human
interactions.
Wow, creepy.
Shawn
GeoRed
In article <###r-george-130...@bootp245100.medill.nwu.edu>,
###r-ge...@nwu.edu (Rachel) writes:
>Who could resist Krycek? Now there's an interesting question. Just
>curious, is there anyone on this ng who doesn't find him beautiful beyond
>belief, Ratboy nature or no?
>
>
Actually, I find *Mulder* beautiful beyond belief, but ole AK is right up there
in the top 5 ;-)
GeoRed
>It shocked the hell out of Mulder, but not exaclty unpleasantly ...
It shocked the hell out of him. I don't think he was turned on, but I also
don't think he was repulsed. I honestly think that he didn't know *what* to
think.....anymore than we do (I think K wants him). It kinda hits him at a
time when he doesn't know what to think about *anything* so it may not register
with him to the point where he agonizes over it. He's got bigger <snort>
things to worry about ;-)
Brian Mueller
SassyGrrl wrote:
>David seems to like playing with his image, he'd probably do it. We could
>make it more interesting ot the masses and add Skinner as well. There might
>be a *few* people on this ng who'd like to see him naked. :)
ack! no way. Krycheck and Mulder, yes. Skinner, no way. I'd run away
if I saw that guy naked. ;)
JDSorei
>>Who could resist Krycek?
Not I. Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous.
Deb
Rachel
In article <19980314010...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, geo...@aol.com
(GeoRed) wrote:
> In article <###r-george-130...@bootp245100.medill.nwu.edu>,
> ###r-ge...@nwu.edu (Rachel) writes:
>
> >Who could resist Krycek? Now there's an interesting question. Just
> >curious, is there anyone on this ng who doesn't find him beautiful beyond
> >belief, Ratboy nature or no?
> >
> >
>
> Actually, I find *Mulder* beautiful beyond belief, but ole AK is right
up there
> in the top 5 ;-)
>
> Heidi
Oh, I agree. Mulder definitely tops Krycek (but not by much, IMHO). But
I'm reveling in Ratboy lust at the moment - we get so little of him,
usually.
Rachel
In article <19980314010...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, geo...@aol.com
(GeoRed) wrote:
> In article <###r-george-130...@bootp245100.medill.nwu.edu>,
> ###r-ge...@nwu.edu (Rachel) writes:
>
> >It shocked the hell out of Mulder, but not exaclty unpleasantly ...
>
> It shocked the hell out of him. I don't think he was turned on, but I also
> don't think he was repulsed. I honestly think that he didn't know *what* to
> think.....anymore than we do (I think K wants him). It kinda hits him at a
> time when he doesn't know what to think about *anything* so it may not
register
> with him to the point where he agonizes over it. He's got bigger <snort>
> things to worry about ;-)
>
> Heidi
I don't think Mulder was turned on either - I saw it as more of an intense
romantic moment than a sexual one. And I agree that he didn't know what
to think. But I do think he was thinking (though probably not agonizing)
about it, even with his bigger problems - that line about "the
inextricable relationships in our lives" seemed to be directly about
Krycek. He put it out of his head when he left for the base, but I think
he was sitting in the dark thinking about that kiss until Scully's arrival
pulled him out of it.
Sukarii
Well, maybe Krycek just did that to confuse Mulder. I just hope that another
shipper group doesn't form after all this.
O<guppy>O
GeoRed
In article <###r-george-140...@bootp245100.medill.nwu.edu>,
###r-ge...@nwu.edu (Rachel) writes:
>But I do think he was thinking (though probably not agonizing)
>about it, even with his bigger problems - that line about "the
>inextricable relationships in our lives" seemed to be directly about
>Krycek. He put it out of his head when he left for the base, but I think
>he was sitting in the dark thinking about that kiss until Scully's arrival
>pulled him out of it.
I don't think so exclusively. The "inextricable relationships" line applies to
nearly *everyone* in his life.......in other words, I don't think he was being
that specific.
Alisoun
Sukarii <suk...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980314214...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
You've never heard of slash fanfic, have you?
mark...@bigfoot.com
suk...@aol.com (Sukarii) wrote:
>
> Well, maybe Krycek just did that to confuse Mulder. I just hope that
another
> shipper group doesn't form after all this.
Sorry, babe, you're a bit late. M/K 'shippers have been alive and kicking
since 1994 and after this (RatB) they are stronger than ever. Thank you,
Chris Carter!
M.
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KirbyCrow
O> So, these two gay guy I know were slow dancing the other night at
the
>biz.. >and one of them slips his hand up the other's back in a slow,
>seductive >moment... and I thought, wouldn't it be cool to see Mulder and
>Krycek dancing >together? :)
>>
>> -Beth
>
>the script? Maybe a Bugs Bunny-type scene, where Mulder is attacking
>Krycek, and Krycek grabs his arms and starts to dance with him instead
>... Even better, remember the Carter/Anderson/Duchovny Rolling Stone
>cover two years ago? I think we need one with Mulder and Krycek.
>
>
Damn you, Rachel, I spilled rootbeer on my nightgown with that one
*splutter* (lol) :-)
Kirby
KirbyCrow
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:45:55 -0700, SassyGrrl
<rea...@NOSPAM.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>Rachel wrote:
>
>>
>David seems to like playing with his image, he'd probably do it. We could
>make it more interesting ot the masses and add Skinner as well. There might
>be a *few* people on this ng who'd like to see him naked. :)
Oh maybe a couple...
>Or, you know,
>they have to go undercover and pose as a couple or something, ala Drew Carey
>when he was trying to get medical insurance for his dog, so he pretended to
>have a same-sex partner since those benefits were covered.
>
I KNOW I'm not the only one who played that scene in slow-motion and
saw Mullder smirking at Krycek just before our guy planted the big one
on him. It looked like a dare to me.
Kirby Crow
(then again, when Mulder smiles at anyone it looks like a dare...)
>-Beth
>
>-Rachel
Camilla Cracchiolo
In message <350c31d0...@news.carol.net> - red...@geocities.com
(KirbyCrow) writes:
:>>... Even better, remember the Carter/Anderson/Duchovny Rolling Stone
:>>cover two years ago? I think we need one with Mulder and Krycek.
:>>
:>>-Rachel
:>>
:>
:>
:>Damn you, Rachel, I spilled rootbeer on my nightgown with that one
:>*splutter* (lol) :-)
Perhaps for the cover of the Advocate (America's leading gay
publication) instead of Rolling Stone? Could work....hell, it would
probably triple their circulation.
:-)
Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the
newsgroup.
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KirbyCrow
>:>>... Even better, remember the Carter/Anderson/Duchovny Rolling Stone
>:>>cover two years ago? I think we need one with Mulder and Krycek.
>:>>
>:>>-Rachel
>:>
>Perhaps for the cover of the Advocate (America's leading gay
>publication) instead of Rolling Stone? Could work....hell, it would
>probably triple their circulation.
>
>Camilla
Nahhh my vote is in for Rolling Stone. Being a straight (more or less)
female, I don't consider myself an advocate of homosexuality. I just
like to see these guys together and I don't see anything wrong with
it, which is a long way from taking up the torch for the crusade.
*sigh* Reality is boring.
Kirby Crow
KirbyCrow
>>
>> Actually, I find *Mulder* beautiful beyond belief, but ole AK is right
>up there
>> in the top 5 ;-)
>>
>> Heidi
>
>
>Oh, I agree. Mulder definitely tops Krycek (but not by much, IMHO). But
>I'm reveling in Ratboy lust at the moment - we get so little of him,
>usually.
>
>-Rachel
heh heh ... he he he... you said Mulder tops Krycek... heh
Kirby Crow
KirbyCrow
I agree! This sex thing has to stop somewhere! Before you know it
someone, somewhere, will be having fun!
Kirby Crow
"HELP! I'M A GAY MAN TRAPPED IN A WOMAN'S BODY!"
Rachel
Now that is a lovely thought. It was completely unintentional, but I'm
going to pretend it was clever play on words :-)
Rachel
In article <19980315020...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, geo...@aol.com
(GeoRed) wrote:
> In article <###r-george-140...@bootp245100.medill.nwu.edu>,
> ###r-ge...@nwu.edu (Rachel) writes:
>
> >But I do think he was thinking (though probably not agonizing)
> >about it, even with his bigger problems - that line about "the
> >inextricable relationships in our lives" seemed to be directly about
> >Krycek. He put it out of his head when he left for the base, but I think
> >he was sitting in the dark thinking about that kiss until Scully's arrival
> >pulled him out of it.
>
> I don't think so exclusively. The "inextricable relationships" line
applies to
> nearly *everyone* in his life.......in other words, I don't think he was being
> that specific.
>
>
> Heidi
Oh, I agree. But I think maybe Krycek figured a little more heavily into
his thoughts at the moment than, say, Frohicke, because of what had just
occurred. Does that make sense?
Shawn Hill
Sukarii (suk...@aol.com) wrote:
: Well, maybe Krycek just did that to confuse Mulder. I just hope that another
: shipper group doesn't form after all this.
Too late!!!
Slashloving Shawn
Rachel
In article <351071fc...@news.newsguy.com>,
norac...@takemeaway.celticweb.com (Kate ) wrote:
> On 15 Mar 1998 16:09:00 -0700, Camilla Cracchiolo
> <cam...@primenet.com> (Camilla Cracchiolo) shouted from the rooftops:
> splutter* (lol) :-)
> >
> >Perhaps for the cover of the Advocate (America's leading gay
> >publication) instead of Rolling Stone? Could work....hell, it would
> >probably triple their circulation.
>
> Ho ho! Krycek in leather & denim, Mulder in his office duds...ah yes,
> I can see it now!
>
> Kate (who thought Chris O'Donnell on the cover of "Genre" was
> revealing)
Um, wait, you have them *dressed*? Your idea is just a bit different from mine.
mj
In article <3509e19b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, inv...@homo-sapiens.org
wrote:
> SassyGrrl wrote:
>
> >David seems to like playing with his image, he'd probably do it. We could
> >make it more interesting ot the masses and add Skinner as well. There might
> >be a *few* people on this ng who'd like to see him naked. :)
>
> ack! no way. Krycheck and Mulder, yes. Skinner, no way. I'd run away
> if I saw that guy naked. ;)
Probably because his bulging, um, biceps and incredible six-pack would be
too intimidating ;-). Really, though, MP is built. DD and NL could take
some lifting tips from him. This is not to say that I don't adore our "I
can throw a strike or sink a three" Mulder or our newly "beefy" Krycek.
> ----
> Brian Mueller
> E-mail: mulder78 at ix dot netcom dot com
> 20 year old male, in Morgan Hill, California, USA
> (ten miles south of San Jose, California)
--
Melissa
****** Take the 86 Bus to the cloisters.
You'll find me inside, with the monks.
Houng Te
LOL. Now here's a potential signiture:
SassyGrrl
Brian Mueller wrote:
> SassyGrrl wrote:
>
> >David seems to like playing with his image, he'd probably do it. We could
> >make it more interesting ot the masses and add Skinner as well. There might
> >be a *few* people on this ng who'd like to see him naked. :)
>
> ack! no way. Krycheck and Mulder, yes. Skinner, no way. I'd run away
> if I saw that guy naked. ;)
> ----
> Brian Mueller
> E-mail: mulder78 at ix dot netcom dot com
> 20 year old male, in Morgan Hill, California, USA
> (ten miles south of San Jose, California)
I generally prefer naked people to clothed people... But I have seen Skinner
as naked as I want to.. all that's left is the little pokey, and who needs to
see that. :)
-Beth, who thinks we should start petitioning for Scully and Krycek in
speedos next.
colin newell
Krycek is Russian. This is not unusual for Russian men to kiss
each other.
Do your homework people.
--
http://coffee.bc.ca/coffee The Coffee Experts Group
V i c t o r i a B r i t i s h C o l u m b i a C a n a d a
Layna Ayre Andersen
colin newell wrote in message <6emrdu$m...@milo.vcn.bc.ca>...
>
>Krycek is Russian. This is not unusual for Russian men to kiss
>each other.
That's not what the woman who spent time in Russia recently said!
(See "The Kiss and Russian Culture", below.)
Layna
Dan Phillips
I think the kiss giving in a Bugs Bunny kind of way. You know, like
when Bugs kisses Elmer Fudd then runs away.
Rachel
> Krycek is Russian. This is not unusual for Russian men to kiss
> each other.
>
> Do your homework people.
>
>
> --
> http://coffee.bc.ca/coffee The Coffee Experts Group
> V i c t o r i a B r i t i s h C o l u m b i a C a n a d a
Um, we have. Krycek is not Russian, he grew up in America (hence: Kiss
my American ass). And even if he was Russian, that was not a friendly
kiss. It just wasn't. Got watch the scene again.
-Rachel
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The only difference between myself
and a madman is that I am not mad.
-Salvador Dali
************************************
meg the paste-eating diva
Psst! I hear that on 17 Mar 1998 21:54:06 GMT, rne...@vcn.bc.ca
(colin newell) said this on our classy newsgroup:
>Do your homework people.
Bring me homework people, and I will do them.
Maybe.
I am not who I am-
Meg
"i have my standards. they're low, but i have them."
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| "Fill those pantaloons with light!" |
| http://www.mindspring.com/~megadee/ |
+--------------------------------------------+
jcs
In article <r-george-180...@bootp245045.medill.nwu.edu>,
r-ge...@nwu.edu (Rachel) wrote:
> In article <6emrdu$m...@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, rne...@vcn.bc.ca (colin newell)
wrote:
>
> > Krycek is Russian. This is not unusual for Russian men to kiss
> > each other.
> >
> > Do your homework people.
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://coffee.bc.ca/coffee The Coffee Experts Group
> > V i c t o r i a B r i t i s h C o l u m b i a C a n a d a
>
> Um, we have. Krycek is not Russian, he grew up in America (hence: Kiss
> my American ass). And even if he was Russian, that was not a friendly
> kiss. It just wasn't. Got watch the scene again.
>
> -Rachel
Kissing is like handshaking. American men often shake the hand of people
they don't like, or aren't friendly with.
I am in awe of the number of people who are reading into this kissing
thing as either being gay, or infecting mulder. I don't think its either.
Krycek made the choice to renounce his "american-ness" and "embrace" (get
it?) his Russian-ness. Even though he's been playing both sides from the
middle, i think it is clear that he considers himself to be russian now.
jenna
Stefan
>SassyGrrl wrote:
>
>>David seems to like playing with his image, he'd probably do it. We could
>>make it more interesting ot the masses and add Skinner as well. There might
>>be a *few* people on this ng who'd like to see him naked. :)
>
>ack! no way. Krycheck and Mulder, yes. Skinner, no way. I'd run away
>if I saw that guy naked. ;)
>----
Mitch Pilleggi has an amazing body.
Stefan
(who noticed)
Stefan
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:10:01 -0800, Jack Ryan <mark...@wkmg.com>
wrote:
>Julsb wrote:
>>
>> now here's a question: if blokes have a 'thing' about lesbians, and het chicks have a 'thing' about gay men, does this mean endless sexual frustration is a natural feature of hetrosexuality? ;)
>>
>> julianna
>
>Yes and No...does that clear up my stance?
>
What about gay guys who have a thing for straight men? And gay gals
who have a thing for straight females? I think "wanting what you
can't have" is always a staple of sexuality...no matter what
orientation.
>Anyway, I always wondered about the hetero female view of this topic.
>This ng has enlightened me a little. Every female I know, when I tell
>them of the male lesbian fascination, tells me that sex between
>homosexual men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PUT THE KIDS
>TO BED ALERT!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<(ie. penetration)
>was in fact a turn-off.
Yes, but as a gay man who does not practice anal sex...I can vouch
that at least 40-50% of the gay couples I know DO NOT practice
penetration...but rather stick to oral and manual stimulation.
It is always funny to me to realize that straight people think gay men
are running around having anal sex with everyone they meet.
Straight people are so focused on "penetration."
Sex can be many things...and anal sex is practiced by a minority, not
a majority of gay men, that has been my experience at least.
>It's been explained to me that it's the more
>feminine attributes of some gay men that they find attractive. In that
>it is a quality non-existent in so many hetero males. What is the true
>story?
>
I think it's that since we (gay men) have no sexual desire for
females, we are able to see them first as friends and intellectual
beings and then strong frienships and bonding often occur. Once you
remove sex from the equation, then true friendships are easier to
begin and foster...Hence the frequency of same gender friendships in
the straight community.
How many straight male and female CLOSE friends do you know?
It's the whole WHEN HARRY MET SALLY conundrum...
The CLOSE friendship pairings are usually (not always, but USUALLY):
Straight male and straight male (NO SEX THERE...)
Straight female and straight female (NO SEX THERE)
Gay male and straight female (NO SEX THERE)
Gay female and straight male (NO SEX THERE)
Gay female and gay male (NO SEX THERE)
See?
>Jack (who shares Howard Stern's love of lesbians)
Stefan
(who shares Camille Paglia's love of strong virile HET men.)
Rachel
In article <jsteele-1803...@128.148.143.41>, jst...@brown.edu
(jcs) wrote:
> In article <r-george-180...@bootp245045.medill.nwu.edu>,
> r-ge...@nwu.edu (Rachel) wrote:
> >
> > Um, we have. Krycek is not Russian, he grew up in America (hence: Kiss
> > my American ass). And even if he was Russian, that was not a friendly
> > kiss. It just wasn't. Go watch the scene again.
> >
> > -Rachel
>
>
> Kissing is like handshaking. American men often shake the hand of people
> they don't like, or aren't friendly with.
>
> I am in awe of the number of people who are reading into this kissing
> thing as either being gay, or infecting mulder. I don't think its either.
> Krycek made the choice to renounce his "american-ness" and "embrace" (get
> it?) his Russian-ness. Even though he's been playing both sides from the
> middle, i think it is clear that he considers himself to be russian now.
> jenna
Okay, I don't know how much you've looked into this, but I have been
informed by by more than one Russian man on my various listservs that
kissing as a form of greeting or saying goodbye is just not the common.
And even if it was, I ask you: How many times have you watched that
scene? There was a lot of feeling in that kiss - it wasn't a perfunctory
action.
Tara Charnow
Stefan wrote:
>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:10:01 -0800, Jack Ryan <mark...@wkmg.com>
> wrote:
>
> >It's been explained to me that it's the more
> >feminine attributes of some gay men that they find attractive. In that
> >it is a quality non-existent in so many hetero males. What is the true
> >story?
> >
>
> I think it's that since we (gay men) have no sexual desire for
> females, we are able to see them first as friends and intellectual
> beings and then strong frienships and bonding often occur. Once you
> remove sex from the equation, then true friendships are easier to
> begin and foster...Hence the frequency of same gender friendships in
> the straight community.
Amen, Stefan. I get better advice, better emotional support, and (sorry)
less cattiness from my gay male friends than from my women friends. Now,
since it's so long until a new episode, let's discuss straight women
being friends with lesbians. ;-)
Tara
Super!Bitch
SassyGrrl
Tara Charnow wrote:
I prefer the company of women, be they straight or gay. I like that straight
women will go to dyke bars with me, and actual dance with me. (Something
straight men don't usually do with gay men) I don't get cattiness from
straight women, probably because with a lesbian, there's absolutely no chance
of competition in the luuuuv department. :)
Disclaimer: Preferring the company of females does not mean I don't like men.
*grin* In fact, I shared a house with 6 gay guys once and they were the best
roommates I ever had :)
-Beth
SassyGrrl
Tara Charnow wrote:
> SassyGrrl wrote:
>
> > I prefer the company of women, be they straight or gay. I like that straight
> > women will go to dyke bars with me, and actual dance with me. (Something
> > straight men don't usually do with gay men) I don't get cattiness from
> > straight women, probably because with a lesbian, there's absolutely no chance
> > of competition in the luuuuv department. :)
>
> Beth, we must socialize. ;-D
>
I'll take you to Winks and let you see leather!men stripping to Donna Summer. :P
Something tells me you would be a hit. :)
> > Disclaimer: Preferring the company of females does not mean I don't like men.
> > *grin* In fact, I shared a house with 6 gay guys once and they were the best
> > roommates I ever had :)
>
> Now, this sounds like a sitcom. ;-D
>
It would have to be on cable.
> Tara
> Super!Bitch
-Beth, who misses sharing a house with guys who are more femme than me :)