Is Mulder Suppose to be Jewish?
Justin Walsh
night some crazy nazi called him Jewish and he seemed to take offense to it,
same thing happened in last weeks new episode. Or is Duchoveny Jewish and
trying to work it into a show. I mean no offense by this question it is
just curiosity.
Thanks
Jacie
Justin Walsh wrote in message <739tju$a...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
Lol, to give you a nice reply (i just read tara's) I'm pretty sure Mulder
is Jewish. I've heard David Duchovny say that he's always assumed Mulder
was Jewish unless CC said something, and they certainly implied that he was
in Drive and Kaddish, the 2 episodes you mentioned. It would make sense
that they bring this up this week cause he's gonna be on a boat with Nazis
tonight, and I'm pretty darn sure it'll come into play. Then again, I could
be wrong...I usually am ;-)
Jacie
P.S. Tonight, tonight, the world is full of light...with suns and moons all
over the place...
Does anyone else get that stuck in their heads when they're psyched?
MonkeymaN
Joseph Java
typos - you'll get an ulcer worrying so much.
-JJ
On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:04:33 -0500, ta...@erols.com (Tara Charnow)
wrote:
>On 22 Nov 1998 20:53:18 GMT, "Justin Walsh"
><jwal...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>I was just curious is Muler
>
>Who the hell is Muler?
>
>> Or is Duchoveny
>
>Who the hell is Duchoveny?
>
>--
>Tara-----Super!Bitch
>
>"If I change now, it wouldn't be right...or honest."
>Scully, 'The Beginning'
Deborah A Tinsley
against him being Jewish:
1. His father had a Christian funeral
2. He's never said a word about it in 5 years, even to Scully in response
to her Catholicism
3. He went to a church to pray in Conduit (of course they are nice places
to pray regardless of religion)
4. Teena (Mulder's mom) a derivative of Christina doesn't seem like a name
a Jewish family would give their little girl.
5. Someone from 1013 (can't remember who) said that Mulder is not Jewish.
I don't care one way or the other if he is Jewish of course. It could be
interesting in the same way Scully's Catholicism is, but if he is, it
hasn't been much of a part of his life or the show up till now. Maybe his
ex-wife <g> was Jewish.
Deborah
--
"Truth, indeed, may not exist;
science avers it to be only a relation;
but what men took for truth
stares one everywhere in the eye
and begs for sympathy."
--Henry Adams
Jacie <jca...@maine.rr.com> wrote in article
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Sean Carroll
>
> And what else would he be??????????????
Amish.
--
--Sean
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"Nothing happens in contradiction to nature. Only in contradiction to
what we know of it." --Dana Scully
Sean Carroll
>
> The Internet is no place for someone who can't handle misspellings and
> typos - you'll get an ulcer worrying so much.
And you'll get a black eye for telling people what and what not to worry
about.
Brodersen Karl
: MonkeymaN wrote:
: >
: > And what else would he be??????????????
:
: Amish.
He's an atheist... no doubt about it.
Sean Carroll
>
> Who the hell is Muler?
Sounds like a German impreesionist. I think it should have an umlaut
over the "u".
> Who the hell is Duchoveny?
It's another term for a Double Anchovy.
TheArthurs
>I think all that ep tells us is that Mulder hates bigotry. The arguments
>against him being Jewish:
>
>1. His father had a Christian funeral
>2. He's never said a word about it in 5 years, even to Scully in response
>to her Catholicism
>3. He went to a church to pray in Conduit (of course they are nice places
>to pray regardless of religion)
>4. Teena (Mulder's mom) a derivative of Christina doesn't seem like a name
>a Jewish family would give their little girl.
>5. Someone from 1013 (can't remember who) said that Mulder is not Jewish.
>
Bingo. Yes, DD is reputed to have said until he's told otherwise, he'll play
Mulder as Jewish (although I haven't entirely figured out how he does that).
And I believe it was Howard Gordon who said that Mulder had been written as not
Jewish -- which is supported by the points you make, Deborah, although I know
several people who would go to a church to meditate, pray, etc., even though
they are not of that religion. In any case, Mulder does not appear to be a
practicing Jew (or observant Jew, or whatever term you want to use). In fact,
he seems to shy from all organized religion.
>
>I don't care one way or the other if he is Jewish of course. It could be
>interesting in the same way Scully's Catholicism is, but if he is, it
>hasn't been much of a part of his life or the show up till now. Maybe his
>ex-wife <g> was Jewish.
>
LOL! So, tell me, is Fowley a "Jewish" name? I'm amazed at the amount of time
that has been spent trying to determine Mulder's religious background. It
seems pretty irrelevant to Mulder's behavior, IMO.
DJ
Marcusfam1
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>
> Watch out for Tara !! She tends to be rude and ugly ! No nice bone in her cold
> body at all !
I *will* refrain from making a comment about a nice bone ... I *will*
refrain ...
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>Watch out for Tara !! She tends to be rude and ugly ! No nice bone in her
cold
>body at all !
>
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Flukeman
<jwal...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I was just curious is Muler suppose to be Jewish, because on an episode last
>night some crazy nazi called him Jewish and he seemed to take offense to it,
>same thing happened in last weeks new episode. Or is Duchoveny Jewish and
>trying to work it into a show. I mean no offense by this question it is
>just curiosity.
The ep in question was "Kaddish"
I believe the question shows up in TXF simply because it keeps getting
asked here.
===============
Flukeman,
now, it's a kind of chicken-egg thing.
Hannah J Sassaman
In terms of Duchovny's Judaism, his father is Jewish and wrote a number
of academic books on Judaism -- his mother is Scottish. In Jewish law,
that makes David not a Jew unless he went through a conversion process.
I think Mulder *is* Jewish... no empirical evidence or the like... I just
believe.
Have fun tonight, kids,
Hannah
*****************************************************************************
Hannah Jane Sassaman
Sophomore, University of Pennsylvania
Theatre Arts and English Major
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~hannahjs
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women and cocaine.
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lynx mulderite
>
> Deborah A Tinsley wrote:
> >I think all that ep tells us is that Mulder hates bigotry. The arguments
> >against him being Jewish:
> >
> >1. His father had a Christian funeral
> >2. He's never said a word about it in 5 years, even to Scully in response
> >to her Catholicism
> >3. He went to a church to pray in Conduit (of course they are nice places
> >to pray regardless of religion)
> >4. Teena (Mulder's mom) a derivative of Christina doesn't seem like a name
> >a Jewish family would give their little girl.
> >5. Someone from 1013 (can't remember who) said that Mulder is not Jewish.
> >
round?
I don't think any of these points, or Mulder's reactions/interactions in
Kaddish and Drive are definitive arguments (as I'm sure you'd agree). If
it is true that the lines in Drive where Mulder says that he is indeed
Jewish were omitted - then that's not canon either. Nevertheless, I
guess I do consider Mulder Jewish at least culturally and that his
mother was Jewish. Probably I say this because, I'm Jewish (culturally
and not religiously) and I identify with Mulder. As to the points above
-
1) Yup
2) Not really relevant to much - if he's not religious. I've not
discussed religion with most of my non-Jewish coworkers - many of whom
discuss their religious backrounds a lot - mostly because I'm not
religious - so what's the point. It does, however, come up in
conversation with other Jews. There's a feeling of "landsman", similar
cultural background that is recognized and referred to. The only time
we've seen Mulder with (obvious) Jews was in Kaddish. And there, I must
admit that I was surprised at the absence of identification with them
(at least the guy teaching him about the Sefir Yetzirah). However, his
saying that he didn't know Hebrew could have been taken as a sort of
embarrassed response to having been unschooled in the religion. So, if
he is Jewish, his "cultural" connection must not have included Hebrew -
or a Bar Mitzvah. This is not unheard of.
3) Conduit church - as you say, could be a quiet place to contemplate.
I've done it. When I was a kid (and actually religious at the time) I
loved to sing Christmas Carols, and was dying to take part in the Living
Creche that the local Episcopal Church had (well, yeah, because all the
cute boys were in it). Anyway - Jews don't go blind if they visit a
church <g>.
4) Teena could be short for a lot of things - Bettina, Albertina, lots
of names.
5) Yup, Gordon said this (and he's Jewish, I believe) - but lots of the
writers say things definitively that have turned out to be false.
> Bingo. Yes, DD is reputed to have said until he's told otherwise, he'll play
> Mulder as Jewish (although I haven't entirely figured out how he does that).
> And I believe it was Howard Gordon who said that Mulder had been written as not
> Jewish -- which is supported by the points you make, Deborah, although I know
> several people who would go to a church to meditate, pray, etc., even though
> they are not of that religion. In any case, Mulder does not appear to be a
> practicing Jew (or observant Jew, or whatever term you want to use). In fact,
> he seems to shy from all organized religion.
True - lots of Jewish atheists and agnostics out there.
> >I don't care one way or the other if he is Jewish of course. It could be
> >interesting in the same way Scully's Catholicism is, but if he is, it
> >hasn't been much of a part of his life or the show up till now. Maybe his
> >ex-wife <g> was Jewish.
> >
>
> LOL! So, tell me, is Fowley a "Jewish" name? I'm amazed at the amount of time
> that has been spent trying to determine Mulder's religious background. It
> seems pretty irrelevant to Mulder's behavior, IMO.
>
> DJ
Well - here is where I think a little differently. Especially if he'd
had some kind of Jewish culture in his background. It's not a question
of belief - but of the Jewish cultural tradition of learning and
argument. Not that this doesn't exist in other cultures - but I'm
talking about my experience (of course, yet again). Here's an
illustration. A friend at work invited a bunch of us, both Jews and
non-Jews to his son's Bar Mitzvah. When the Torah reading was in
progress, a member of the congregation got up - in the middle of the
service - and said that the reader had made a mistake in the reading.
The reading stopped and the rabbi and several others examined the Torah
and found that, indeed, there was a mistake in the actual (handwritten)
Torah. This would have to be fixed. After the interruption - the rabbi
said that everyone should realize that the congregation member wasn't
being obstreperous - but that it was his and everyone's duty to point
out such mistakes immediately. That this is the tradition. And it is
also the tradition of argument over the bible and the talmud -it's
called pilpul - the argument over little details, not letting untruths
lie, not allowing questions to go unanswered - even if it calls
authority into question. Rabbis are teachers, not rulers. (of course,
there are strict laws of behavior for the orthodox - they arose through
historic argument among scholars, but their basis is still the subject
of much discussion and study). After this incident, my friend (not
Jewish) said "Aha, now I understand you! That's where you get the need
to question and bring up inconsistencies! (and to be obstreperous about
it, she meant <g>).
So, back to Mulder - while it's true that in America one's religious
beliefs shouldn't affect how one is treated - one's cultural background
can and does - because it influences behavior - even that which is not
obviously related to religious observance. Perhaps, as some have said,
this operates in laying the background for Mulder's dislike of bigotry,
anti-semitism, Nazis (although these are hopefully widespread feelings)-
or maybe in how he views "facts" and "truth", not as givens but things
to be picked apart and tracked down. I want to make it clear that I
realize this kind of tradition does exist elsewhere, not being exclusive
to Jews or widespread among all Jews - it's just an example.
--
lynx
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"I don't wanna wrestle"
Goo Bee Goo Bee Do
Sean Carroll
>
> >> Who the hell is Duchoveny?
> >
> >It's another term for a Double Anchovy.
>
And twice as fishy.
Sean Carroll
>
> You are correct, Sean.
As always.
DonChep
> >And what else would he be??????????????
>
Mulder is a practitioner of Santeria..using chicken sacrifices to lead him
to the TRUTH. CSM is really the reincarnation of the ancint god Babalu. I
believe he is one of many cigar/cigarette smoking gods in the Afro/Cuban
pantheon.
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critical thinking. - Matt Groening
Jose Bermudez
FEB and proud coach of the Savoy Kinkajous (5-3) #1 in defense
Captain!ThinSkin
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VerlindaH
Agnostic, imho
VerlindaH
lynx mulderite
>
> > >And what else would he be??????????????
> >
>
> to the TRUTH. CSM is really the reincarnation of the ancint god Babalu. I
> believe he is one of many cigar/cigarette smoking gods in the Afro/Cuban
> pantheon.
That you, Nancine? Oh, thought you said Born Again Santeria...
WEN
1) In terms of his ethnic background, Mulder is part Jewish.
2) His father was not.
3) His mother is -- at least partly.
4) Mulder isn't a practicing Jew. His religious and spiritual faith in
general seem agnostic.
5) Hard-core bigots tend to believe any white person who doesn't believe the
crap that they do is "tainted" with Jewish blood.
6) Anybody who's enlightened would be offended by racist and Nazi BS.
In summary, Mulder's no different than, say, a white American guy who, for
example, is of German heritage somewhere down his family line but has little
to no connection, understanding and/or experience with Germanic culture.
Justin Walsh wrote in message <739tju$a...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>I was just curious is Muler suppose to be Jewish, because on an episode
last
>night some crazy nazi called him Jewish and he seemed to take offense to
it,
>same thing happened in last weeks new episode. Or is Duchoveny Jewish and
>trying to work it into a show. I mean no offense by this question it is
>just curiosity.
>
>Thanks
>
>
DonChep
I think confusing a fellow FEB'er for Nancine is grounds for a sound
thrubbing :)
JourneyToX
Mulder could be ethnically Jewish and still be religiously agnostic.
Or religiously Jewish by conversion and not born to an ethnically Jewish
family.
Much more likely the former, if you ask me.
Sorry to see that wasn't paid off in an ep against Nazis -- "Triangle"
Journ...@aol.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
David Duchovny, about Mitch Pileggi: "He's a big boy!"
Mitch Pileggi, confirming same: "Oh yeah!!'
--The X-Files Season Three Gag Reel
See, I told you the truth was out there!
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
Sean Carroll
>
> >And what else would he be??????????????
>
I don't think so. I've been reading about this, and the actual
definition of "agnostic" is one who can believe either that there is or
is not a God, as long as they believe that it is impossible to prove
that fact. In the conversation in "Gethsemane" that follows, Scully
shows herself to be an agnostic and Mulder to most likely not be.
Mulder: "If someone could prove to you the existence of God, would it
change you?"
Scully: "Only if it had been disproven."
Mulder: "Then you accept the possibility that belief in God is a lie?"
Scully: "I don't think about it, actually, and I don't think it can be
proven."
Mulder: "But what if it could? Wouldn't that knowledge be worth seeking?
Or would it just be easier to go on believeing the lie?"
JourneyToX
I was dissapointed that the set up about Mulder's possibly being Jewish in
"Drive" was not paid off in what had to be the ultimate chance for conflict for
a Jew - against a real live Nazi. That was a missed opportunity in this
episode, in my opinion.
Otherwise, yeah, I really liked it.
JourneyToX
Are the nasty boys the only ones who'll bone you, Tara dearest? Awwwwwwww.
Carterconn
>I was dissapointed that the set up about Mulder's possibly being Jewish in
>"Drive" was not paid off in what had to be the ultimate chance for conflict
>for
>a Jew - against a real live Nazi. That was a missed opportunity in this
>episode, in my opinion.
>
>Otherwise, yeah, I really liked it.
>
I did have a bit of a prob with this - Would a Jew EVER put on a nazi
uniform? My mothers Jewish and I would never - too evil!
Stacey O
JourneyToX
>I did have a bit of a prob with this - Would a Jew EVER put on a nazi
>uniform? My mothers Jewish and I would never - too evil!
Ewwww, that's a hard thing to think about. I suppose if it meant escaping, your
survival instincts would kick in. But it had to be distasteful. Hell, it's
distasteful for me to think about and I'm not Jewish.
My guess is, and who knows what it's worth, that they'll either just drop a lot
of hints about his being Jewish or they're saving it up for a payoff where it's
not in a dream episode.
DonChep
> Carterconn said:
>
> >I did have a bit of a prob with this - Would a Jew EVER put on a nazi
> >uniform? My mothers Jewish and I would never - too evil!
>
> Ewwww, that's a hard thing to think about. I suppose if it meant escaping, your
> survival instincts would kick in. But it had to be distasteful. Hell, it's
> distasteful for me to think about and I'm not Jewish.
>
It has happened in real life. It even became a movie called "Europa,
Europa" based on the true story.
David Fox
wrote:
>journ...@aol.com (JourneyToX) wrote:
>
>>I was dissapointed that the set up about Mulder's possibly being Jewish in
>>"Drive" was not paid off in what had to be the ultimate chance for conflict
>>for
>>a Jew - against a real live Nazi. That was a missed opportunity in this
>>episode, in my opinion.
>>
>>Otherwise, yeah, I really liked it.
>>
>
>I did have a bit of a prob with this - Would a Jew EVER put on a nazi
>uniform? My mothers Jewish and I would never - too evil!
>
>Stacey O
You don't have to be Jewish to go YIKES imo.
Posts like "huhuh, he looks so fine in this Nazi uniform" makes me
sick.
David Fox
John
>
> Carterconn said:
>
> >I did have a bit of a prob with this - Would a Jew EVER put on a nazi
> >uniform? My mothers Jewish and I would never - too evil!
>
> survival instincts would kick in. But it had to be distasteful. Hell, it's
> distasteful for me to think about and I'm not Jewish.
>
> of hints about his being Jewish or they're saving it up for a payoff where it's
> not in a dream episode.
Please forgive a newbie, but what's the big deal if he's Jewish or not?
How will that explain anything that's happened, or help predict what
will happen with the show?
Sean Carroll
>
> I think confusing a fellow FEB'er for Nancine is grounds for a sound
> thrubbing :)
That sounds more like something kinky than a punishment.
Joseph Java
On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:53:17 -0500, Sean Carroll <se...@phoenixat.com>
wrote:
>Joseph Java wrote:
>>
>> The Internet is no place for someone who can't handle misspellings and
>> typos - you'll get an ulcer worrying so much.
>
>And you'll get a black eye for telling people what and what not to worry
>about.
JourneyToX
>How will that explain anything that's happened, or help predict what
>will happen with the show?
>
It's not a big deal to me. Just another interesting tidbit about the character.
I'm always happy when we learn something about their pasts, their off-work
lives, their hopes and dreams.
TNW7Z
In article <365B3F...@awod.com>, John <jh...@awod.com> wrote:
>JourneyToX wrote:
>> My guess is, and who knows what it's worth, that they'll either just drop a
lot
>> of hints about his being Jewish or they're saving it up for a payoff where
it's
>> not in a dream episode.
>Please forgive a newbie, but what's the big deal if he's Jewish or not?
>How will that explain anything that's happened, or help predict what
>will happen with the show?
You're absolutely right. It's hard to imagine how it would make any
difference. In addition, in the show there is very little indication that
Mulder is Jewish and far more hints that he's not. Plus the writers say he's
not. I, who happen to be Jewish, can't figure out why people are so obsessed
with this issue.
FYI -- here once again is the repost of ex-XF writer Howard Gordon's comments
--
From a Paula Vitaris interview with Howard Gordon (who wrote for the XF seasons
1 - 4, wrote "Kaddish", and who happens to be Jewish) found on page 39 of the
October 1997 "Cinefantastique":
"Internet fans hoped 'Kaddish" would answer a question that had come up ever
since actor David Duchovny, whose father is Jewish, stated in an interview that
he would play Mulder as Jewish until told otherwise. Is Mulder Jewish? 'No,'
Gordon stated. 'In fact, I think we've pretty well established that he's not,
vis-a-vis his father's funeral [at which a minister officiated]. Also, Alex
Gansa and I put Mulder in a church at the end of 'Conduit.' But then there's
the comment that Brunjes makes makes to Mulder: 'You look like you might be one
of them.' I know that sparked a lot of conversation. But I don't think Mulder
is Jewish or even half-Jewish."
The people who created Mulder don't think he's Jewish; I don't know why
everyone else even cares.
TNW
Alisoun
John <jh...@awod.com> wrote...
> Please forgive a newbie, but what's the big deal if he's Jewish or not?
> How will that explain anything that's happened, or help predict what
> will happen with the show?
>
It helps to know what religion when you're writing a fanfic about Mulder
celebrating a certain holiday in December.
--
Alisoun
FEB, LOON, MM, CotHP, GABAL grrrrl
Slayerette-in-training
h e r b t i e h @ s l i p . n e t
Sean Carroll
>
> >>DonChep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think confusing a fellow FEB'er for Nancine is grounds for a sound
> >>> thrubbing :)
> >>
> >>That sounds more like something kinky than a punishment.
> same thing. ;)
Well, that's true, but ... I just don't see how a cross between
throbbing and rubbing could be a punishment ...
Festus Enumah
Alisoun wrote in message <01be1863$73b62b60$33c5abcf@default>...
>
>
>John <jh...@awod.com> wrote...
>> Please forgive a newbie, but what's the big deal if he's Jewish or not?
>> How will that explain anything that's happened, or help predict what
>> will happen with the show?
>>
>It helps to know what religion when you're writing a fanfic about Mulder
>celebrating a certain holiday in December.
I don't think it matters. I mean, yeah, Mulder could be Jewish, but I think
that was just thrown in there for no reason. Besides, doesn't he have,
like, German in him or something?
LiLi
Akakan
Carterconn <carte...@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in article
> I did have a bit of a prob with this - Would a Jew EVER put on a nazi
> uniform? My mothers Jewish and I would never - too evil!
This, combined with "Paper Clip," just opened my eyes to a completely new
possibility.
What if the reason Mulder was not raised as a Jew is that Bill Mulder had
to work with ex-Nazi doctors as part of his project? He gave it up to be
more acceptable to his peers, or to avoid the conflict.
Akakan
TNW7Z <tn...@aol.comNoSpam> wrote in article
>I, who happen to be Jewish, can't figure out why people are so obsessed
> with this issue.
I think people are just reacting to spoilers that this would be revealed in
S6. Speaking for myself, it bugs me a great deal because of the continuity
issue. The writers have gone to great lengths to portray the Mulders as
part of the post wwII WASP elite, and to pull this out of the hat now is
goofy.
Barb Woodruff
"jewish" name, and Bill looked to have a generic Christian burial. Unlike
non-practicing Christians, a non-practicing Jew is usually still considered
to be Jewish by ethnicity, both personally and by society, and thus is more
likely to have a secular, non-Christian burial. I figure that Ma Mulder being
an ethnic (that is, non-practicing) Jew probably contributed to the divorce,
particularly if she found out about Bill's work with former Nazis. Also,
anti-Semitism was still pretty common through the 50's and Bill might have
had a hard time getting a State Department position as a Jew, or for that
matter being accepted into the "consortium" - an old boys club if there ever
was one. It seems obvious however that the Mulder family did not practice any
religious faith, other than generic virtually secular celebrations, as
Christmas has become.
- Kathira
Just Ann
doesn't seem to believe in any faith, only that he recognizes that
Scully has a fairly strong faith. He never mentions any ceremonies or
holidays of any faith. Of course, it's hard to believe in both
creationism and in life on other planets. Whatever faith he was raised
with I think vanished with his sister that night.
--
Just Ann
And it also happens that people win with loaded dice...
Akakan wrote in message <01be19b8$0247f660$1e8f0fce@default>...
PWerlin
In order to be Jewish by birth, his mother has to be Jewish...
TNW7Z
RE-POST:
Here's what the writers say about Mulder's religion --
From a Paula Vitaris interview with Howard Gordon (who wrote for the XF seasons
1 - 4, wrote "Kaddish", and who happens to be Jewish) found on page 39 of the
October 1997 "Cinefantastique":
"Internet fans hoped 'Kaddish" would answer a question that had come up ever
since actor David Duchovny, whose father is Jewish, stated in an interview that
he would play Mulder as Jewish until told otherwise. Is Mulder Jewish? 'No,'
Gordon stated. 'In fact, I think we've pretty well established that he's not,
vis-a-vis his father's funeral [at which a minister officiated]. Also, Alex
Gansa and I put Mulder in a church at the end of 'Conduit.' But then there's
the comment that Brunjes makes makes to Mulder: 'You look like you might be one
of them.' I know that sparked a lot of conversation. But I don't think Mulder
is Jewish or even half-Jewish."
The people who created Mulder don't think he's Jewish, although everyone else
seems to for some bizarre reason.
TNW
Malpaso99
>The people who created Mulder don't think he's Jewish, although everyone else
>seems to for some bizarre reason.
And those same writers (and producers) love to play with our minds...onviously.
Ceck out Chez Mulder in the latest Official X-Files magazine. Complete with
Passover Matzos tucked neatly beside his messy sink.
While I am Gentile, and have many friends who are Jewish, we are mostly in
agreement that the Goyem of the world ain't into that particular snack!
Keep guessing people...1013 likes it that way!
Jack
Deborah A Tinsley
traditionally Jewish food, and Mexican and Japanese, and Indian, etc.-- but
I'm about as much of an Anglo/Irish/Scottish/German Protestant mutt as
you'd ever want to see.
--
Deborah
"Art is a wicked thing. It is what we are."
Georgia O'Keefe
Malpaso99 <malp...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19981219125247...@ng36.aol.com>...
Magpie
>I like matzohs and go to a Jewish deli quite often. I like a lot of
>traditionally Jewish food, and Mexican and Japanese, and Indian, etc.-- but
>I'm about as much of an Anglo/Irish/Scottish/German Protestant mutt as
>you'd ever want to see.
And they're so prominently displayed around the holidays
you tend to toss them in your shopping cart.
-m
Coleen Sullivan-Baier
malp...@aol.com (Malpaso99) wrote:
>While I am Gentile, and have many friends who are Jewish, we are mostly in
>agreement that the Goyem of the world ain't into that particular snack!
I like them with fermented mare's milk.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Barbara Ruef
>
> In article <19981219125247...@ng36.aol.com>,
> malp...@aol.com (Malpaso99) wrote:
>
> >While I am Gentile, and have many friends who are Jewish, we are mostly in
> >agreement that the Goyem of the world ain't into that particular snack!
>
> I like them with fermented mare's milk.
I hear they can make you look lumpy, though.
Isabelle
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Just Ann <jus...@exis.net> a M-icrit dans l'article
<73np6m$8gf$1...@grouper.exis.net>...
> Good point. I think he's probably part jewish, but only by birth. He
> doesn't seem to believe in any faith, only that he recognizes that
> Scully has a fairly strong faith. He never mentions any ceremonies or
> holidays of any faith.
And when is father died he couldn't make it to the burial, so no one really
knows.
PuddinTame
photo. So I would say "No."
Marcusfam1
>photo. So I would say "No."
>
Maybe the town didn't have a temple ??LOL ! My girls are half Jewish and half
Wasp.
Harriet
Barb Woodruff
> In article <19981219125247...@ng36.aol.com>,
> malp...@aol.com (Malpaso99) wrote:
>
> >While I am Gentile, and have many friends who are Jewish, we are mostly in
> >agreement that the Goyem of the world ain't into that particular snack!
>
> I like them with fermented mare's milk.
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Would that be kosher? Or do you have to drink it separately using the special
milk dishes?
- Kathira
STPteach
>>
>> I like them with fermented mare's milk.
>>
>> XXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
>Would that be kosher? Or do you have to drink it separately using the special
>milk dishes?
>
>- Kathira
>
As long as she didn't have a shmear of chopped liver with it, it's kosher...oy,
such a combination!
You gotta understand I have a mother who wouldn't even serve corn on the with
dripping *margarine*...(not even butter!) in the same plate as a
hamburger!....and we did not keep a kosher home!
Happy Holidays and enjoy a peaceful, happy, and healthy New Year!
Later,
Susan Proto
See my stories, courtesy of the extraordinary Web Mistress, Shirley Smiley at:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/4819/index.html
"Paper is more patient than people."- Anne Frank
Barb Woodruff
> Kathira wrote:
>
> <<Would that be kosher? Or do you have to drink it separately using the special
> milk dishes?>>
>
> No. Only milk from kosher animals is kosher. :-) And horses ain't kosher.
>
> Sue
Horses aren't kosher? Are they considered to be cloven hoofed animals? What about
goats?
- Barb (a well-read Gentile, who is always interested in other cultures and
religions) : )
Barb Woodruff
I agree, Lake Okobogee was a little country town in the mid-west. Churches would
be a lot easier to find than synagogues. And Mulder seemed pretty upset. Too
upset to drive around looking for an appropriate house of worship. If, as has
been speculated, he was not raised in a religious family, he likely would have no
problem going to a church to pray.
I personally like the theory that Ma Mulder was Jewish, Dad generically
Protestant. It also makes sense that the family did not follow any religion
tradition in particular, celebrating holidays like Christmas in a general,
secular, cultural way. That he now disdains religion as being for the fuzzy
minded is not an unusual attitude for an intellectual of Mulder's social and
educational background. That he was disappointed by God seems certain. This also
is not unusual for someone who has experienced the kind of family trauma that
Mulder has. Add to that what he knows of human nature through his work in the
FBI's Behavioral Sciences Unit. Profile child molesters and serial killers long
enough and you could easily be convinced that God doesn't exist. And if God does
exist, he sure doesn't care about human suffering. (I don't believe this
personally, but it is easy to see how Mulder could.)
I know this topic has been hashed and re-hashed to death, but I just had to add
my two cents.
- Barb
Scully: "How is it that you're able to go out on a limb whenever you see a light
in the sky, but you're unwilling to accept the possibility of a miracle? Even
when it's right in front of you?"
Mulder: "I pray for miracles every day"
"Revelations"
lynx mulderite
>
> PennPart wrote:
>
> > Kathira wrote:
> >
> > <<Would that be kosher? Or do you have to drink it separately using the special
> > milk dishes?>>
> >
> > No. Only milk from kosher animals is kosher. :-) And horses ain't kosher.
> >
> > Sue
>
> Horses aren't kosher? Are they considered to be cloven hoofed animals? What about
> goats?
Horses have nice rounded hooves. Goats? I think they are kosher.
> - Barb (a well-read Gentile, who is always interested in other cultures and
> religions) : )
--
lynx
mulderite HPotMMs FEB
"But you *believed* me..."
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