CS Question: Importance of Mulder??
Val
I've recently rewatched Herrenvolk. Any ideas on what Cancerman
meant at the very end when he was talking to the Clone/Alien in
the hospital just before he healed Mrs Mulder. Cancerman said
"You know how important Mulder is to the equation?". Any
thoughts please via email to 10146...@compuserve.com. Many
thanks
Hazman
I thought that what they meant was too fold. If Mrs Scully died then,
Muleder would have nothing to lose and would be more dangerous and
secondly, they can cover up a lot of what they are doing by using
Mulder to chase false leads. They know that mulder doesn't have a lot
of support because of his wild ideas. If someone else chased them,
they may be believed more readily.
Haz....
Wolfgang Schoepf
Hmm, I always thought if Mulder doesn't do it no one will. He started the
X-Files, and aparently no one was interested before. And he still doesn't
get a lot of support within the FBI, as you said.
If Mulder goes, who would take over? Scully maybe.
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Kiang Han Robin Tan
On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Wolfgang Schoepf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Hazman wrote:
>
> > On 2 Mar 1997 09:02:55 GMT, Val <10146...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
> >
> > >I've recently rewatched Herrenvolk. Any ideas on what Cancerman
> > >meant at the very end when he was talking to the Clone/Alien in
> > >the hospital just before he healed Mrs Mulder. Cancerman said
> > >"You know how important Mulder is to the equation?". Any
> > >thoughts please via email to 10146...@compuserve.com. Many
> > >thanks
> >
> >
> > I thought that what they meant was too fold. If Mrs Scully died then,
> > Muleder would have nothing to lose and would be more dangerous and
> > secondly, they can cover up a lot of what they are doing by using
> > Mulder to chase false leads. They know that mulder doesn't have a lot
> > of support because of his wild ideas. If someone else chased them,
> > they may be believed more readily.
> >
> > Haz....
>
> Hmm, I always thought if Mulder doesn't do it no one will. He started the
> X-Files, and aparently no one was interested before. And he still doesn't
> get a lot of support within the FBI, as you said.
> If Mulder goes, who would take over? Scully maybe.
>
agreed with hazman that once mulder's mother dies, mulder will have
nothing to lose... will go all out with a vengence to seek the committee
and cancerman to expose the truth. but disagree with wolfgang's hypothesis
that scully will take over.
scully is still, despite being abducted, implanted and seeing all that she
has in the last seasons, sceptical about mulder's claims of x-tra
terrestrial life and a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public. she
continues to try to find scientific basis to ground all her observations
on, as evident in past episodes' last few minutes which see her typing her
report. (by the way, isn,t it odd that the latter part of last season
scully hardly ever submitted any reports... and now she's submitting so
many???)
p.s. do any of u think that cancerman is running a conspiracy of his own?
the committee doesn't seem to have a good working relationship with him.
also, does the post of SCSG (mulder's latest deep Throat) really exist in
real life??
regards ....robin
mkunkle
> Cancerman said
> > >"You know how important Mulder is to the equation?". Any
> > >thoughts please via email to 10146...@compuserve.com. Many
> > >thanks
* snip *
said.
> If Mulder goes, who would take over? Scully maybe.
>
agreed with hazman that once mulder's mother dies, mulder will have
nothing to lose... will go all out with a vengence to seek the committee
and cancerman to expose the truth. but disagree with wolfgang's hypothesis
that scully will take over.
scully is still, despite being abducted, implanted and seeing all that she
has in the last seasons, sceptical about mulder's claims of x-tra
terrestrial life and a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public. she
continues to try to find scientific basis to ground all her observations
on, as evident in past episodes' last few minutes which see her typing her
report. (by the way, isn,t it odd that the latter part of last season
scully hardly ever submitted any reports... and now she's submitting so
many???)
p.s. do any of u think that cancerman is running a conspiracy of his own?
the committee doesn't seem to have a good working relationship with him.
also, does the post of SCSG (mulder's latest deep Throat) really exist in
real life??
I agree that CSM and the Consortium definitely have an uneasy
alliance. At first I thought that CSM was just a lackey but now I'm not so
sure.
I think that originally he was a 'knight' in the game, but I think
that he's used the X-Files and Mulder to strengthen his position. It seems to
me that the entire purpose of Tunguska/Terma was to indebt the well-dressed
man and by extension the Consortium to the CSM.
Idle thoughts from an idle mind....
Mark.
Rill
Kiang Han Robin Tan wrote:
> p.s. do any of u think that cancerman is running a conspiracy of his own?
> the committee doesn't seem to have a good working relationship with him.
> also, does the post of SCSG (mulder's latest deep Throat) really exist in
> real life??
Don't know for sure about the post of Special Representative to the Secretary
General, but it sounds probable.
I'd say Cancerman is definitely running a conspiracy of his own. In fact I'd say
they all are on some scale. None of them would have reached that position without
a certain amount of backstabbing ability. CM would be expecting any of his
colleagues to betray him at any time and be ready to betray any of them at any
time.
Cancerman's 'conspiracy' definitely includes Mulder and M's mother. The Bounty
Hunter didn't seem to know why it was vital to save 'the mother' do the rest of
the committee?
BTW, since this is being cross-posted to aus.tv.x-files, can we please have no
spoilers? (We get The Field Where I Died tomorrow)
Rill.
Mark Rajesh Das
Val (10146...@CompuServe.COM) wrote:
: I've recently rewatched Herrenvolk. Any ideas on what Cancerman
: meant at the very end when he was talking to the Clone/Alien in
: thoughts please via email to 10146...@compuserve.com. Many
: thanks
Well, you'll no doubt hear many different opinion on why Cancerman
said this. But really, the writers themselves have no idea what they
meant by this. What they do is say something like this, then sit
back and kick it on the internet and look for folks's various
hypotheses. Then, they pick out the best one and use it a few seasons
later. That way, the person who had the idea gets a nostradamus
complex and the writers get paid for surfing the net. Works for
all.
(being semi-serious, my guess is that Mulder is being led by these
folks; perhaps sacrificing some minor secrets so that he'll steer
away from the big one. Then, they'll steer him into some total fraud
of a gov't conspiracy and say "See, Mulder was wrong". All the
Mulder groupies will figure that if their God couldn't find the
truth, there must not be any)
"TM"
NGAIRE MAYO
I've heard tell that M *sigh* and S are part of CM's conspiracy.
IMHO I think that Mulder's sister is CM's Daughter, and that's one of the
links.
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MATTHEW SIMS
On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Rill wrote:
> Kiang Han Robin Tan wrote:
>
> > p.s. do any of u think that cancerman is running a conspiracy of his own?
> > the committee doesn't seem to have a good working relationship with him.
> > also, does the post of SCSG (mulder's latest deep Throat) really exist in
> > real life??
>
> Don't know for sure about the post of Special Representative to the Secretary
> General, but it sounds probable.
>
> I'd say Cancerman is definitely running a conspiracy of his own. In fact I'd say
> they all are on some scale. None of them would have reached that position without
> a certain amount of backstabbing ability. CM would be expecting any of his
> colleagues to betray him at any time and be ready to betray any of them at any
> time.
>
> Cancerman's 'conspiracy' definitely includes Mulder and M's mother. The Bounty
> Hunter didn't seem to know why it was vital to save 'the mother' do the rest of
> the committee?
>
I get the feeling, that all matters discussed so far in The X-Files are
matters overseen by the committee. The only reason no-one else saw the
need to save Mrs. M was because it was a personal matter for CSM.
A matter he doesn't want to share with the rest of the group. We've
already seen that he would lie through his teeth to protect his rep. in
the eyes of the group (Anasazi trilogy). This is just something else he
prefered they didn't know.
> Rill.
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John Park
Mark Rajesh Das (rma...@uclink2.berkeley.edu) writes:
> Val (10146...@CompuServe.COM) wrote:
> : I've recently rewatched Herrenvolk. Any ideas on what Cancerman
> : meant at the very end when he was talking to the Clone/Alien in
> : the hospital just before he healed Mrs Mulder. Cancerman said
> : "You know how important Mulder is to the equation?". Any
> : thoughts please via email to 10146...@compuserve.com. Many
> : thanks
>
> Well, you'll no doubt hear many different opinion on why Cancerman
> said this. But really, the writers themselves have no idea what they
> meant by this. What they do is say something like this, then sit
> back and kick it on the internet and look for folks's various
> hypotheses. Then, they pick out the best one and use it a few seasons
> later. That way, the person who had the idea gets a nostradamus
> complex and the writers get paid for surfing the net. Works for
> all.
Expect a visit from the Men in Black any day now.
>
> (being semi-serious, my guess is that Mulder is being led by these
> folks; perhaps sacrificing some minor secrets so that he'll steer
> away from the big one. Then, they'll steer him into some total fraud
> of a gov't conspiracy and say "See, Mulder was wrong". All the
> Mulder groupies will figure that if their God couldn't find the
> truth, there must not be any)
> "TM"
>
To muddy the waters a bit more: I felt in "Herrenvolk" that CSM's main
motive was saving Mrs. Mulder; the rest could just be a semi-plausible
pretext.
--John Park
Coleen Sullivan-Baier
In <5fgm3h$6...@freenet-news.carleton.ca> af...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(John Park) writes:
>
> I felt in "Herrenvolk" that CSM's main
>motive was saving Mrs. Mulder; the rest could just be a semi-plausible
>pretext.
...and I just keep hearing that WONDERFUL voice of Mr X's saying
"you must protect the mother". That "the" part is what chilled me.
I think MaMulder is going to prove to be an important part of
this equation.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXX
John Park
Well, she *might* have been using the retractable ice-pick just to replace a
burned-out fuse in the table lamp. . . .
My god, do you read *every* post in this news group?
--John Park
Robin Harrison
>On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Wolfgang Schoepf wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Hazman wrote:
>>
>> > On 2 Mar 1997 09:02:55 GMT, Val <10146...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>> >
>> > >I've recently rewatched Herrenvolk. Any ideas on what Cancerman
>> > >meant at the very end when he was talking to the Clone/Alien in
>> > >the hospital just before he healed Mrs Mulder. Cancerman said
>> > >"You know how important Mulder is to the equation?". Any
>> > >thoughts please via email to 10146...@compuserve.com. Many
>> > >thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > I thought that what they meant was too fold. If Mrs Scully died then,
>> > Muleder would have nothing to lose and would be more dangerous and
>> > secondly, they can cover up a lot of what they are doing by using
>> > Mulder to chase false leads. They know that mulder doesn't have a lot
>> > of support because of his wild ideas. If someone else chased them,
>> > they may be believed more readily.
>> >
>> > Haz....
>>
>> Hmm, I always thought if Mulder doesn't do it no one will. He started the
>> X-Files, and aparently no one was interested before. And he still doesn't
>> get a lot of support within the FBI, as you said.
>> If Mulder goes, who would take over? Scully maybe.
No one else seems to have the interest and the political power to be able
to have any effect on policy at all - which is the whole point of exploring
the X files (at least the conspiracy ones). The guys at the wacko magazines
have the interest, the FBI have the power and never the two shall meet.
>agreed with hazman that once mulder's mother dies, mulder will have
>nothing to lose... will go all out with a vengence to seek the committee
>and cancerman to expose the truth. but disagree with wolfgang's hypothesis
>that scully will take over.
About the only thing that could hold him back is his current love
(platonic, whatever) for Scully. The thought of danger to her would hold
him back for a second or so, but the 'truth' and his sister would have much
greater priority. Only when Scully's life was in the balance did he stop
his conspiracy hunting (when scully was in coma).
>scully is still, despite being abducted, implanted and seeing all that she
>has in the last seasons, sceptical about mulder's claims of x-tra
>terrestrial life and a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public. she
>continues to try to find scientific basis to ground all her observations
>on, as evident in past episodes' last few minutes which see her typing her
>report. (by the way, isn,t it odd that the latter part of last season
>scully hardly ever submitted any reports... and now she's submitting so
>many???)
Maybe she had filled her quota for the time period?
>p.s. do any of u think that cancerman is running a conspiracy of his own?
>the committee doesn't seem to have a good working relationship with him.
>also, does the post of SCSG (mulder's latest deep Throat) really exist in
>real life??
All of the people involved the high level conspiracy have games of their
own running. Just look at Deep Throat and X. I think that cancerman's
de3cision to save Mrs Mulder.
>
>regards ....robin
>
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Coleen Sullivan-Baier
In <5fj5te$f...@freenet-news.carleton.ca> af...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(John Park) writes:
>
>
>My god, do you read *every* post in this news group?
>
yes...I just DO......
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
(currently skipping EJ/Vlad posts)
THE WOLF
In article <5fiap6$d...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>,
giz...@ix.netcom.com(Coleen Sullivan-Baier) wrote:
> In <5fgm3h$6...@freenet-news.carleton.ca> af...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (John Park) writes:
> >
>
> > I felt in "Herrenvolk" that CSM's main
> >motive was saving Mrs. Mulder; the rest could just be a semi-plausible
> >pretext.
>
> ...and I just keep hearing that WONDERFUL voice of Mr X's saying
> "you must protect the mother". That "the" part is what chilled me.
>
> I think MaMulder is going to prove to be an important part of
> this equation.
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXX
>Holly shit giz, you just made me think of something. You could be on to
some thing big here. Perhaps Mr X said protect "the" mother because she
is the original "mother" who was super ovalated to create the first
clones. Maybe that was why CSM said it was so important for the
shwartzenalien to heal Ma Mulder. Have to protect the "queen bee" I
guess. Could it be possible, if so that's rather spooky. (no pun
intended.)
The wolf
wa...@interactive.net
Could it also be possible that Samantha was the first alien hybrid?????
Remember, we did see the Samantha clones when Mulder and Scully found them
in Canada, and then we had the alien hybrids who were created from Scully's and
the other women's eggs. Maybe the Samantha clones weren't just human clones,
but were actually human/alien hybrids.
Just my 2 cents.
In <reception-080...@nnepma11.nep.nt.com>, rece...@nt.com (THE WOLF) writes:
>In article <5fiap6$d...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>,
>giz...@ix.netcom.com(Coleen Sullivan-Baier) wrote:
>>
>> ...and I just keep hearing that WONDERFUL voice of Mr X's saying
>> "you must protect the mother". That "the" part is what chilled me.
>
Wien Huang
ha! i just did this. glance at the title really quick. did you see what
i thought i saw? i just glanced at it and i thought it said impotence of
mulder so i switched it in my head, "is mulder impotent?" :) just had to
share that. 'k, bye now.
Lily
Coleen Sullivan-Baier
In <33260F...@worldnet.att.net> Wien Huang
I thought that, too, and wondered what the OTHER little
vial in his pocket contained.....
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
(Lily, do you want to go to the "Two-For-One" special at Pearl Vision
with me???)
Steve Ferencik
Coleen Sullivan-Baier wrote:
>
> In <5fgm3h$6...@freenet-news.carleton.ca> af...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (John Park) writes:
> >
>
> > I felt in "Herrenvolk" that CSM's main
> >motive was saving Mrs. Mulder; the rest could just be a semi-plausible
> >pretext.
>
> "you must protect the mother". That "the" part is what chilled me.
>
> this equation.
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
So Samantha could have been taken _back_, as in taken home, instead of
taken _away_ from home. I have trouble believing that any mother could
be party to having her child taken away from her. And I don't see how
MaMulder could not *know*, or at least suspect, with her husband
involved in some kind of weird secret govt thing, that the govt might
not have something to do with her kids dissapearance. (now I'm
confusing myself)
Of course, maybe Samantha dissapearing is why CSM and PaMulder had a
falling out. (They used to be tight, if I remember right, then, not so
much.) Maybe PaMulder suspected CSMs involvement in his daughters
*abduction* but couldn't prove anything. How did PaMulder cash in,
anyway? Did CSM have anything to do with it?
It's possible that the final finale of the show (years from now, with
luck) has Mulder confronting CSM with proof that CSM and his people
impregnated MaMulder with alien *DNA* and she had Sam. Then, years later
one group of the aliens came back and took her to help in starting a
colony. Then another group of aliens came and is working with the CSM to
eliminate the colony or vice versa, blah blah, yadda yadda. I'll never
be a script writer, that's for damn sure.
Please keep in mind that I missed season four because I was overseas
and the Star network out of Hong Kong is a year behind (I got to watch
season three over again :). So my theory could have been disproven or
could be old news and I wouldn't know it.
Thanks, how about a cappuccino?
--
Steve
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