(JS) El Mundo Gira: Point of View
laura capozzola
take on the way things went down in this story. Do you like conflicting
point of view stories in your entertainment? How did Shibes handle this
one?
Laura
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Sean Carroll
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> El Mundo Gira - Flakita, Gabrielle and Mulder/Scully have a different
> take on the way things went down in this story. Do you like conflicting
> point of view stories in your entertainment?
Occasionally, if they're done well. "Bad Blood" was done well, and "Jose
Chung" was done *very* well. However ...
> How did Shibes handle this
> one?
Quite poorly, IMO. The Hispanic characters were completely
stereotypical, as were Mulder ("So it's a fungus, not aliens? All right,
then *that* must have come from outer space!!") and Scully ("Let Mulder
go out and do stuff, I'll hang around at the office and learn absolutely
nothing except There's lots of fungus here!").
The whole "God curses the man who stands between 2 brothers" started out
as an interesting little aphorism that said something about Hispanic
culture, but then by the end the idea that we were supposed to swallow
these people really believe "If you do this, this, and this you are
cursed by God, but if you do this you're not, and when you're cursed the
Chupacabras take you and all this" was a little beyond silly.
Gabrielle's whole "version" of the story is basically worthless, anyway,
because, hey, as Flakita says, what does she know -- she wasn't even
there!! And the idea that Flakita would be so completely stupid and
superstitious as to think that the Hazmat team was a bunch of
Chupacabras was beyond realism or believability.
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Marita
she the old lady?) and Gabrielle at the end. that lost me. but i liked how
Flakita thought that the people from CDC were aliens but Mulder and given up on
his ufo theory. i also liked how Scully's *scientific* explanation (of sorts)
ended up being the right answer.
hey, i LIKE El Mundo Gira.
besides, how can you go wrong with not only a Prince reference, but also having
Scully *singing* West Side Story *in the same scene*!?!?! :D
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laura capozzola
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> laura capozzola wrote:
> >
> > El Mundo Gira - Flakita, Gabrielle and Mulder/Scully have a different
> > take on the way things went down in this story. Do you like conflicting
> > point of view stories in your entertainment?
>
> Occasionally, if they're done well. "Bad Blood" was done well, and "Jose
> Chung" was done *very* well. However ...
>
> > How did Shibes handle this
> > one?
>
> Quite poorly, IMO. The Hispanic characters were completely
> stereotypical, as were Mulder ("So it's a fungus, not aliens? All right,
> then *that* must have come from outer space!!") and Scully ("Let Mulder
> go out and do stuff, I'll hang around at the office and learn absolutely
> nothing except There's lots of fungus here!").
>
> The whole "God curses the man who stands between 2 brothers" started out
> as an interesting little aphorism that said something about Hispanic
> culture, but then by the end the idea that we were supposed to swallow
> these people really believe "If you do this, this, and this you are
> cursed by God, but if you do this you're not, and when you're cursed the
> Chupacabras take you and all this" was a little beyond silly.
I've thought about this ep quite a bit. Aren't soap operas total
exaggerations of life, almost cartoonish and the characters all
stereotypes. What if Shibes was going for that? It was called, "As The
World Turns." I think a lot of different people had their hands on this
ep and tainted it. It seems couldn't decide what it wanted to be. I
would have been happy if they stuck with the alien vs illegal alien
premise as *the* premise but if you go with the premise that the whole
thing is a soap opera, serious points get lost in the shuffle.
> Gabrielle's whole "version" of the story is basically worthless, anyway,
> because, hey, as Flakita says, what does she know -- she wasn't even
> there!! And the idea that Flakita would be so completely stupid and
> superstitious as to think that the Hazmat team was a bunch of
> Chupacabras was beyond realism or believability.
Yeah, but some people think their esteem rises in the eyes of others
because they *know* more so they don't just "make it up as they go
along" but they exaggerate what they do know, too. It gets them
attention. I thinks Flakita and Gabrielle both live for their talent of
passing gossip to others.
I think the POV thing was a good one in a slice of life illegal alien
story but it just got buried with everything else that was going on in
this story.
VerlindaH
>From: laura capozzola
>
>El Mundo Gira - Flakita, Gabrielle and Mulder/Scully have a different
>take on the way things went down in this story. Do you like conflicting
>point of view stories in your entertainment? How did Shibes handle this
>one?
>
>Laura
Yeah, POV stories can be very entertaining if done well (a la Bad Blood,
JCFOS).
This one was handled pretty well--M & S with Skinner at the end is a nice
touch, well-played by all 3 actors, while Flakita and Gabrielle add their own
dimensions to the tale. Flakita's narration of the story to the migrant
workers is a particularly effective plot device.
VerlindaH
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laura capozzola wrote in message <3764C9D1...@erols.com>...
>El Mundo Gira - Flakita, Gabrielle and Mulder/Scully have a different
>take on the way things went down in this story. Do you like
conflicting
>point of view stories in your entertainment? How did Shibes handle
this
>one?
I think it was quite original (or not so original, since Kurosawa had
already done it in "Rashomon") way to end the episode.
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laura capozzola wrote in message <3764C9D1...@erols.com>...
>El Mundo Gira - Flakita, Gabrielle and Mulder/Scully have a different
>take on the way things went down in this story. Do you like conflicting
>point of view stories in your entertainment? How did Shibes handle this
>one?
I guess I'm one of those rare individuals who actually liked this episode. I
thought it was very well done. I loved the two sides of the story and I love
seeing how Mulder and Scully tackle the unexplained with two different view
points. :)
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laura capozzola
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> laura capozzola wrote in message <3764C9D1...@erols.com>...
> >El Mundo Gira - Flakita, Gabrielle and Mulder/Scully have a different
> >take on the way things went down in this story. Do you like conflicting
> >point of view stories in your entertainment? How did Shibes handle this
> >one?
>
> I guess I'm one of those rare individuals who actually liked this episode. I
> thought it was very well done. I loved the two sides of the story and I love
> seeing how Mulder and Scully tackle the unexplained with two different view
> points. :)
>
> --
> Jewlz!
I liked this ep, too, but I still have a sense that a lot of people
touched it. Sometimes our XF eps seem disjointed (like Emily) and my
guess is that's an editing thing. But sometimes, like El Mundo Gira, it
feels as if the people who touched it had different ideas about the main
premise of the story and they all tried to make it their's.
I like the aliens/aliens idea and I liked the gossipy exaggerated POV
idea.