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Robert Clark

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Feb 7, 1995, 10:53:42 PM2/7/95
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In the opening titles of X-Files, they show Mulder & Scully's I.D.
Cards. Across the bottom of the card, it reads "Federal Bureau of
Justice, U.S. Department of Investigations". What gives, shouldn't it be
F.B.**I** and Dept of Justice??

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Feb 8, 1995, 2:18:40 PM2/8/95
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Robert Clark (aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca) wrote:
: In the opening titles of X-Files, they show Mulder & Scully's I.D.
: Cards. Across the bottom of the card, it reads "Federal Bureau of
: Justice, U.S. Department of Investigations". What gives, shouldn't it be
: F.B.**I** and Dept of Justice??


They screwed up. It should be Federal Bureau of Investigations, U.S.
Department of Justice.

Oh well, sometimes this kinds of things happened.


Peter Tran

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Feb 8, 1995, 3:55:08 PM2/8/95
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On 8 Feb 1995, Andrea A. Pappas wrote:

>
> Robby Baby....No it should not read FBI....that is a shortened term for
> public use...it's a hell of a lot easier than yelling out "freeze,
> Federal bureau of justice, US dept. of Investigations!" everytime you
> wanna bust someone....
> Did anyone else notice that their signatures on those cards are
> very, VERY similar?
> Andrea
> X-philes make great lovers......
>
>
I don't remember how the ID cards looks in the opening credits but Robert
is right. The Federal Bureau of Investigations is a division of the
Department of Justice. The head of the of the Justice Department is the
Attorney General (i.e., Janet Reno), a cabinet level position.

--Peter

Andrea A. Pappas

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Feb 8, 1995, 5:31:46 PM2/8/95
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Thank God...I thought I was the ONLY one who noticed that his
signature doesn't match the opening credits!
...of course I could just be a tad paranoid! An X-Phile paranoid?
NAAAAHHHH!!!!
Andrea

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steve sebelius x4057

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Feb 10, 1995, 11:07:59 AM2/10/95
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950209...@Ra.MsState.Edu>,
Angula G. Tucker <ag...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
>Or maybe they didn't want the FBI or the Department of Justice to come
>looking for them for copying or simulating their ID badges.
>
>It works for me.
>
>Angula
>X-Phanatic


Speaking of that, I've noticed a similar quirk. On Mulder and Scully's badge,
the eagle is looking to the *right* while on real FBI badges, the eagle gazes
to the *left.* I have a book on the FBI with a good photo of an FBI badge, and
it is definitely looking the other way than Mulder and Scully's eagles. Sort of
bizarre. In addition, most FBI agents carry ID wallets with their badge on the
outside and two sizable pieces of ID inside. I've seen the type of ID that FM
and DS use in other movies, but never in a realistic situation (I'm a reporter
in Las Vegas and I cover crime, so I've seen a few agents around bank robberies
and such.) Most have ``flip out'' style wallets that allow them to wear their
badges in their jacket pockets, usually on a leather tab that flips out of
their wallet with the words ``F.B.I.'' above the badge and ``Special Agent''
below it. Or, they can wear them on their belts in specially made badge holders
that clip on to belts. Just a few observations that probably demonstrate I have
way too much time on my hands.


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Duane Gundrum

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Feb 12, 1995, 2:41:19 AM2/12/95
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Robert Clark (aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca) wrote:
: In the opening titles of X-Files, they show Mulder & Scully's I.D.

Just to put this subject to rest:

The FBI ID cards that are on X-Files are false for a reason. There is a
regulation that states that official forms such as the ones used by the
federal police agencies, military intelligence agencies and specialty
groups that investigate for the government cannot be duplicated by any
medium for use to distribute in such a way that disuse can occur. This
is the case with the ID cards on the show. The differences between those
ID cards and the ones in the Bureau are so blatant that there is no way
the two can be confused with each other.

If the X-Files were to have a copy of the real FBI ID, the word SAMPLE
would have to be plastered across it, and that would really make the show
look pretty hokey now, wouldn't it?

Duane
someone who has carried one of those ID cards for way too long

SWagner

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Feb 12, 1995, 10:11:36 AM2/12/95
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I think that the altered bottom line was intentional. This protects
themselves from charges of reproducing offical ID cards.

Steve Wagner

Justin Mohareb

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Feb 12, 1995, 1:50:12 PM2/12/95
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In a previous posting, Peter Tran (pht...@u.washington.edu) writes:
> I don't remember how the ID cards looks in the opening credits but Robert
> is right. The Federal Bureau of Investigations is a division of the
> Department of Justice. The head of the of the Justice Department is the
> Attorney General (i.e., Janet Reno), a cabinet level position.

Pardon for wasting bandwidth, BUT!

Interesting point to note: When Mulder leaves skinner's office (and you
get that "skinner-in-profile, Mulder's-back-marching" shot) you can
(always/usually?) see the "official portrait of the boss" of Janet Reno
(at least it looks like her) beside the door.

Just a thought,

JJ Mohareb

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FAW1701

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Feb 12, 1995, 2:38:45 PM2/12/95
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They just added Janet Reno's picture to the wall recently.

I noticed it also, but hadn't seen it in Skinner's office.

And why is it there? Shouldn't it be hanging in a more "public" area of
the Bureau? Like Clinton's picture in the Post Office?


Fritz Wonnacott (FAW...@AOL.COM)
The future is sort of like the present... only longer.

Paula J. Vitaris

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Feb 12, 1995, 7:43:49 PM2/12/95
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FAW1701 (faw...@aol.com) wrote:
: They just added Janet Reno's picture to the wall recently.

: I noticed it also, but hadn't seen it in Skinner's office.

: And why is it there? Shouldn't it be hanging in a more "public" area of
: the Bureau? Like Clinton's picture in the Post Office?


Assistant Director is probably a political appointment position. Maybe
Janet Reno had something to do with getting Skinner appointed. :-) It's
probably an autographed photo she gave him! :-) :-)

-- Paula

Anna DeWitt

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Feb 13, 1995, 5:17:12 PM2/13/95
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If I may paraphase a warning put out by Xerox:

By Congressional statute it is forbidden to copy or reproduce
in any way shape or form badges, ID cards or Passes used by members
of the military, naval or other armed forces personell, or the Federal
Departments or Beaureus, such as the FBI or Treasury without the
authorization from the head of said department.

Seeing as how the X-Files occasionally makes the FBI look pretty
bad, (cover-ups, etc.), it is highly unlikely that the producers
would obtain permission to forge one of the Fibbies ID's. Therefore,
it is simpler to make an ID with a few obvious changes.


Anna "No trichobezoars here" DeWitt
University of Minnesota
Department of Psychiatry

Angula G. Tucker

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Feb 17, 1995, 12:37:57 AM2/17/95
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On Sun, 12 Feb 1995, Justin Mohareb wrote:

> In a previous posting, Peter Tran (pht...@u.washington.edu) writes:

snip


>
> Interesting point to note: When Mulder leaves skinner's office (and you
> get that "skinner-in-profile, Mulder's-back-marching" shot) you can
> (always/usually?) see the "official portrait of the boss" of Janet Reno
> (at least it looks like her) beside the door.

I didn't notice her picture there until the "Colony" episode. For some
reason, I thought it used to be Bill Clinton.

Rick Lobrecht

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Feb 18, 1995, 4:51:52 PM2/18/95
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950216...@Ra.MsState.Edu> "Angula G. Tucker" <ag...@Ra.MsState.Edu> writes:
>From: "Angula G. Tucker" <ag...@Ra.MsState.Edu>
>Subject: Re: Photo o' de chief (was Re: I.D. Cards - Opening Titles)
>Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:37:57 -0600

It was Slick Willy himself in Colony pt 2.


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Jimmy Timmysticks

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Sep 27, 2021, 8:54:54 PM9/27/21
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The reason they don't is because it is illegal to make completely fully accurate FBI or any government credentials, including the actual badge. Ironically, in the beginning the used actual metal FBI badges and even though it was clearly fictional characters on a TV show, the show set was actually raided and all real fbi badges were confiscated, and even if they make idential replicas those would have been confiscated too because there would be no way to distinguish real from replica. It's don in many shows, most to subtle alterations like using 11 or 12 stars on the fbi seal instead of the 13 like in the Hannibal series , or Removing parts of the eagle crest on the cia seal, along with using the department of justice which Parks and Rec also did for Andys 'Burt Macklin' FBI character. The replacement badges they have are still very close, but you can only see the differences up close due to the dark bronze paint. Same as if you make replica props, if you make one 100% identical to the real one with a customizable photo and signature, not only are you in danger of a serious crime, but if you sell it and the person is caught showing it off and pretending to be an fbi agent, even if it were a youtube skit, they would be arrested and you would face charges aswell. Fairly sure that's why they do a punch hole "void" on them when the agent retires so even though it is real so it can't be used as the person would see the void punch holes across the top and bottom.

Jimmy Timmysticks

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Sep 27, 2021, 8:59:55 PM9/27/21
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their signatures, photos, even the wallet size/shape changed throughout the show as they were actually signed in the early seasons and used real glued on photos. To this day people are searching for the black and white opening credit photos. But if you go to various prop sites for screen used credentials from season 1 to season 3, they're different, along with later season and then when the new seasons came out when the show came back the credentials were completely redesigned
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