Sex and the Single Saint (Essay Challenge)
Julsb
>Hey! If Scully's "repressed" and "conservative" sexually, how come she
>went out with a total stranger in NEVER AGAIN, got drunk with him, got a
>tattoo and slept with him the same day she met him!
>I think she's a closet slut. But a nice slut, because she really cares
>what people (especially Mulder) think about her.
Whoa, come on here! (checking the calender...yes it IS the 90's, not the
50's). 'Slut'? Because she didn't pussyfoot around her attraction to Ed?
Let's be honest. Anyone is capable of getting drunk with someone and
sleeping with that person without a lengthy courtship process. Rather than
saying she's a 'closet slut', I think it's probably safer to say that
she's only human!
julianna
KHinsman
Sorry -- that's just my way of talking. What I meant to say was -- she's
no prude. "Slut" is not a fair word because it's so emotionally loaded.
Come to think about, Scully is probably more liberated than most of us.
She never has to worry about getting into a situation with a guy she can't
handle. If a guy starts getting rough with her, or making unwanted
adavances, all she has to do is pull out the hardware and the badge. She's
got years of self-defense training under her belt. If I had that I'd
probably be more open with men I don't know, like she was with Ed Jerse.
BUT -- she draws the line at dating male co-workers. so she's very
circumspect with Mulder and the other men in the FBI. Like all single
professional women she knows that dating a co-worker can lead to nothing
but trouble FOR THE WOMAN (the old double standard again). It would never
affect the guy, but it would ruin her career. She knew this long before
she met Mulder. So again, she's not "repressed" she's just playing it
smart.
I give her a lot of credit, and I'm sorry if I upset anybody with the
"closet slut" comment. :-)
Just a few thoughts
Kathy
Michael Gosselin
KHinsman (khin...@aol.com) wrote:
: A conservative or repressed woman would never have called Ed Jerse up or
: gone out with him. She would have been too afraid of getting AIDS or
: something. Come to think of it, she could gave gotten AIDs from the tattoo
: needle, forget the guy!
Maybe that's why she woke up in panty hose. :-)
--
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When asked if she could use 'horticulture' in a sentence, Dorothy Parker
replied, "Yes. You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think."
Nick Pedicini
Jncotton <jnco...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970623190...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> For some, "sex" and "St. Scully" is an oxymoron.
>
>
> 1. Scully Is Not Repressed.
Well, Reverend Mom, yes and no. True, she is not repressed in what we think
of as the "traditional sense" i.e. borne out of psychological factors
engendered through a conventional moral upbringing, or impressed by social
conditioning, or received out of pre-adult trauma. Her repression is
intended and cognate. Scully has a passion for her work, law enforcement,
and her scientific interests. These crowd her love life onto the "back
burner" so to speak. She has filed it away quite effectually, though as we
have seen in the case of the two "Eds" this season, that it is very near
the surface. Since it would appear that she is most willing to give in to
it when she is in a state of distraction, the question for Mulder is how to
avoid that frontal assault mentality of his and approach her obliquely. (I
am still not convinced that Our Fox is not, in fact, the Teaser Horse in
this situation.)
> 2. Scully Is Attracted More to the Intellectual than the Physical.
Yeah, Ed Jerse, Nobel Prize winner. She doesn't cotton (you pardon the pun)
to Mulder's smarts but his passion. She is, on the surface, a singularly
cold fish. *We* have seen some of the heat she's capable of.
>
> 4. SCULLY IS HUMAN
I think that one of the things that appeals to the more geriatric of us in
the XF set is precisely that what is writ large in her character--the
sublimation of the libido--is so much a part of our daily lives. We can't
let go so we're waiting for her to go off. ("She's a volcano. People will
come from miles around to watch her go off...")
NJP
mickee
KHinsman <khin...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970623232...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Hey! If Scully's "repressed" and "conservative" sexually, how come she
> went out with a total stranger in NEVER AGAIN, got drunk with him, got a
> tattoo and slept with him the same day she met him!
>
> I think she's a closet slut. But a nice slut, because she really cares
> what people (especially Mulder) think about her. She doesn't want to be
> judged as a slut, but she stills want to mess around with a cute guy when
> she sees one.
Getting technical here...there was NO indication that Scully was *drunk*,
and there was no reason to believe that she and Ed slept together. Anyone
else agree?
Mary
aef
Actually, contrary to popular belief, the HIV virus is not spread merely
by "going out" with someone. Likewise; being safe about one's sexual
behaviors has nothing to do with being conservative or repressed.
aef
Shanna Swendson
In article <01bc8109$b82ee0e0$b8672399@carolynb>, "mickee"
<mmcd...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Getting technical here...there was NO indication that Scully was *drunk*,
> and there was no reason to believe that she and Ed slept together. Anyone
> else agree?
I'm not sure about the drunk part. I think she'd had enough that her
inhibitions might have been reduced somewhat, or else she was able to use
that as an excuse to herself.
But I definitely agree on whether or not they slept together. Let's face
it, what sane woman would put her pantyhose back on, then her slacks, to
go to sleep after sex? In a different room from the man, at that!
If she'd woken up in just his shirt, that would be another story, but the
pantyhose clench it. Once those things come off, they stay off. She would
have gone home with them in the pocket of her coat.
Unless she was wearing knee-highs, but the thought of St. Scully having
sex while wearing those old-lady knee-highs is rather horrifying. Not a
pretty picture.
Shanna
Shanna Swendson
In article <19970623190...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
jnco...@aol.com (Jncotton) wrote:
> 1. Scully Is Not Repressed. Conservative, yes, but not repressed. In
> general, I have never thought of her as a bar-hopper or one to engage
> *routinely* in one-night-stands. But just because St. Scully doesn't "walk
> on the wild side" of life for the most part, doesn't mean that she doesn't
> desire or enjoy sex (or have her moments of untamed behavior); it just
> means that, in general, I think she'd prefer to get to know someone
> intellectually before she knows them physically, which leads to my next
> point...
And there's a big difference between preferring not to acknowledge many
emotions, which is what some of who have used the term "repressed" in
reference to the Blessed One mean, and not liking sex. You can refuse to
admit weakness or fear and still have sexual desires.
> 2. Scully Is Attracted More to the Intellectual than the Physical. Now
> this doesn't mean that the Blessed One is blind. She can recognize a cute
> ass when she sees one just like any other female ;) Heck, she even told
> her friend Ellen that Fox Mulder was "cute." What I mean here is that,
> given Scully's intelligence, I think she is drawn more toward the
> intellect; men who will focus on her as an individual and that will
> willingly listen to her and communicate with her. I would argue that
> Mulder is intellectual, and that appeals to her. But does he listen?
> REALLY listen? Does he focus on her? Can he read between the lines of "Why
> don't I have a desk?" and "I'm fine" to get her to open up? No, not
> really. Did Ed Jerse? Yes. Did Eddie Van Blundht? Yes. Again, that doesn't
> mean that she doesn't enjoy the physical aspects of a relationship, she
> just puts more stock in the intellectual/communication aspect.
Exactly!!
I think the real appeal of both Ed Jerse and Eddie Van Blundht (as Mulder)
for her was the fact that they both saw Dana, where the real Mulder
usually sees only Agent Scully. In Ed's case, he was lucky enough to see
Dana at a time when Dana really needed to be acknowledged because Mulder
was stubbornly refusing to admit that a Dana existed beyond Agent Scully.
Then Ed listened to her, without letting his next statement be an
off-the-wall remark about the latest case that indicated he hadn't heard a
word she said. And he didn't manage to twist things so that it was all
about him, after all. He was going through worse problems than she was,
and never breathed a word about them, allowing her to vent about her
troubles.
Not that I think she has a split personality, but there definitely is a
duality. There is Dana, and there is Agent Scully. Maybe the duality is
only in other people's perceptions of her, and it shows up most when the
person she's dealing with is only willing to accept Agent Scully. I think
that's ultimately why she called Ed and accepted the date (remember, at
first she sort of gave him the brush off). Mulder was not only treating
her simply as Agent Scully, but as Agent Scully, Girl Friday. Then at the
implication she might have a date, he was totally shocked, as if Agent
Scully existed for no other purpose than to serve his needs. That was the
final blow that sent Dana into "hey, wait a second, what about me?" mode,
and she called the one person handy who had been willing to see Dana.
That said, I don't think she had sex with Ed. As I've said in another
post, the pantyhose are a dead giveaway.
Sister Shanna
once known as the Stealth Geek Goddess
OBSSE
Dee Williams
Shanna Swendson wrote:
>
> But I definitely agree on whether or not they slept together. Let's face
> it, what sane woman would put her pantyhose back on, then her slacks, to
> go to sleep after sex? In a different room from the man, at that!
>
> If she'd woken up in just his shirt, that would be another story, but the
> pantyhose clench it. Once those things come off, they stay off. She would
> have gone home with them in the pocket of her coat.
Many Witnesses for the case "against" mention Scully's pantyhose, but in
the version I taped from Aussie tv I still can't really see them, even
in super slo-mo. Perhaps a clear shot was edited out (as it seems to
have been in the US re-run, from other posts) because TPTB realised it
lessened the (obviously intended) ambiguity. But as far as I know,
no-one has mentioned (on behalf of the case "for") that Ed was wearing
completely different clothes the next morning. Ok, we know he took his
shirt off (!) but he definitely wasn't wearing those jeans in the tattoo
scene.
Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean they didn't. So equally,
just because we didn't see her put her slacks (and hose) back on doesn't
mean she didn't either. Like finding a parking spot (or even
downloading an FBI medical web-page!) these things take up no onscreen
time.
The case "for" rests m'lud.
OK, its not very conclusive, and I'd say that the onus of proof rests
with the prosecution (that the deed was done). The jury is still out...
Dee
Nik Taylor
I can't believe I'm in this thread, but . . .
So what about the pantyhose? They've had continuity mistakes before.
Besides which, if I'm not mistaken, it's mostly men working on the
X-Files. We men might make such a mistake as having Scully in her
pantyhose.
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slsn...@acsu.buffalo.edu
Coleen Sullivan-Baier wrote:
>
> In <33B707...@pcola.gulf.net> Nik Taylor <jnat...@pcola.gulf.net>
> writes:
> >
> >I can't believe I'm in this thread, but . . .
> >So what about the pantyhose? They've had continuity mistakes before.
> >Besides which, if I'm not mistaken, it's mostly men working on the
> >X-Files. We men might make such a mistake as having Scully in her
> >pantyhose.
>
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Hey! Here's a thought that just struck me (it takes a while): What if
Scully were wearing STOCKINGS, not pantyhose?!?!?! Quite easy to leave
those on during the act, and I've been told [a-hem] that some men are
into that sort of thing....
Stacy
COG1 Specail Agent
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University at Buffalo
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