aren't they constantly jealous of each other
sl...@usc.edu
those two creepy high school girls who had special powers because their stars
collided with each other (forgot the title). and then there's the silicon
blonde chick who jumped on mulder and started doing the wild thing on him in
the motel room...scully was acting all bitchy & mean towards her and mulder
kept apologizing on behalf of his obviously jealous partner...well, at least
that's how i read it. what do you guys think? i mean, im one of those who
sits anxiously at the edge of my sofa praying that they would express their
affections towards one another in each & every episode...i'm a pro-shipper
and i don't trust my own readings that much since they reflect my
uncontrollable desire to see them together.... what about the whole "buck
teeth" thing in "bad blood"? was that not a sign that mulder was a bit
envious that scully was infatuated by the vampire sheriff? does this indicate
that they do have the hots for each other? so, where does the whole "sexual
tension" thing fits in? i mean, what is stopping them? proffesionalism? and
don't get me started on diana fowley...ugghhhhh
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MWayne13
>tension" thing fits in? i mean, what is stopping them?
At this point, I think primarily Chris Carter...
Maryann
TLaiter
Phil R.
They may be jealous of people that either are consorting with...but
never jealous of each other.
Sean Carroll
Not true. Mulder gets jealous of Scully whenever she's called into
Skinner's office.
--
--Sean
http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science_fiction/Pendrell_Jr/index.html
"Nothing happens in contradiction to nature. Only in contradiction to
what we know of it." --Dana Scully
Sean Carroll
>
> i was watching a re-run at FX yesterday night. they showed the episode with
> those two creepy high school girls who had special powers because their stars
> collided with each other (forgot the title). and then there's the silicon
> blonde chick who jumped on mulder and started doing the wild thing on him in
> the motel room...scully was acting all bitchy & mean towards her and mulder
> kept apologizing on behalf of his obviously jealous partner...well, at least
> that's how i read it. what do you guys think?
"Syzygy" was about an astronomical alignment that altered everyone's
behaviour, hence the title. The behaviour of Mulder and Scully in that
episode bears little or no relationship to their actual personalities.
> i mean, im one of those who
> sits anxiously at the edge of my sofa praying that they would express their
> affections towards one another in each & every episode...
I'm so sorry for you. Chris Carter is going to enjoy torturing you for
the next 90 years ...
> what about the whole "buck
> teeth" thing in "bad blood"? was that not a sign that mulder was a bit
> envious that scully was infatuated by the vampire sheriff?
No, it's a sign that the vampire sheriff was an unbearably dumb, ugly
hick who, if he didn't have supernatural charm, wouldn't have been able
to get Scully to let him breathe on her wrist.
> does this indicate
> that they do have the hots for each other?
No.
> so, where does the whole "sexual
> tension" thing fits in?
It doesn't. And I'm hoping nothing ever *does* fit in anywhere.
> i mean, what is stopping them? proffesionalism?
Yeah, that, and the fact that Mulder does not treat Scully with respect,
nor is he psychologically healthy, nor do they look at each other in a
sexual way -- unless CC and 1013 decide to write a so-called "light"
episode.
Sean Carroll
>
> >so, where does the whole "sexual
>
> At this point, I think primarily Chris Carter...
And any laws that would allow me to purchase a handgun.
olivia
sl...@usc.edu wrote:
<snipidee-do-da>
> affections towards one another in each & every episode...i'm a pro-shipper
> and i don't trust my own readings that much since they reflect my
> uncontrollable desire to see them together.... what about the whole "buck
> teeth" thing in "bad blood"? was that not a sign that mulder was a bit
> envious that scully was infatuated by the vampire sheriff? does this indicate
> that they do have the hots for each other? so, where does the whole "sexual
> tension" thing fits in? i mean, what is stopping them? proffesionalism?
ideas, in no specific order:
a] professionalism, and the problems that sex cause in the
workplace in general (it's also probably against fbi policy).
b] respect.
c] the fact that fox mulder is incapable of having any sort of
'normal' relationship (anger/violence, intimacy issues).
d] a feeling of protectiveness he has towards scully (who he sees
as a surrogate sister), to which adding sex would only confuse.
e] remember moonlighting? they're trying to *boost* ratings.
f] because sex isn't needed as a focal point in the x-files; the
stories carry themselves. but who knows? with the way things
are going..
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Nancy Black
> MWayne13 wrote:
> > >so, where does the whole "sexual
> > >tension" thing fits in? i mean, what is stopping them?
> >
>
> And any laws that would allow me to purchase a handgun.
Well, you live in Florida which means there's nothing preventing you
from buying a gun. It must just be CC then that's stopping them. ;-D
On a related note, I actually have a bumper sticker I got from the Miami
Herald (Hi Connie!) that has a smiley face, black dots (like bullet
holes), and says "Thank you for not shooting!".
Nancy (yet another atxf Nancy)
happy to be out of Florida
Phil R.
...Mulder is jealous every time Scully is called into Skinner's office.
LOL right </shivers>
Phil
Belie...@webtv.net
month for Scully. But she is a bitch about stuff like that. Mulder
doesnt like it much either but I think he has a different way of showing
it. I like to refer to episdes like that as "pissy-Scully" episodes.I
was watching that one w/ my dad, who is not too familiar w/ the show,
and he was like I dont like Scully. I asked him why not, and he
responded with Who could like that attitude? Not a very effective way of
getting a guy if you ask me. But shes already got Mulder...
Sculxfs
>Date: 3/2/99 6:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
replied to a prevous post by typing:
>i mean, im one of those who
>> sits anxiously at the edge of my sofa praying that they would express their
>> affections towards one another in each & every episode...
>
>I'm so sorry for you. Chris Carter is going to enjoy torturing you for
>the next 90 years ...
<sighs heavily> If only that were true...
(CC, torture me for 3 or four more years, and I'd be happy. I have no
alternate show for support.)
:-P
OBSSE, XFW #42 (The Answer to The Question...)
"I don't need my mettle tested." - Scully, "Agua Mala"
CMSpurple
>> teeth" thing in "bad blood"? was that not a sign that mulder was a bit
>> envious that scully was infatuated by the vampire sheriff?
>
>hick who, if he didn't have
>supernatural charm, wouldn't have been able
>to get Scully to let him breathe on her wrist.
Oh my god,you talk exactly like Nile Crane on Frasier when he sees some guy
putting hte moves on Daphne!
>> i mean, what is stopping them? proffesionalism?
>
>Yeah, that, and the fact that Mulder does not treat Scully with respect,
>nor is he psychologically healthy, nor do they look at each other in a
>sexual way -- unless CC and 1013 decide to write a so-called "light"
>episode.
I get the biggest kick reading Sean's hormonally driven,jealous posts!
Catherine
welcome to the velvet cage,"I do not GAZE at Scully"
Sickleweed
: Phil R. wrote:
: >
: > No they are not constantly jealous of each other.
: >
: > They may be jealous of people that either are consorting with...but
: > never jealous of each other.
: Not true. Mulder gets jealous of Scully whenever she's called into
: Skinner's office.
: --
: --Sean
Sean, are you suggesting that Mulder was being unfaithful to Krycek?
You KNOW he loves and lusts after Alex and Alex ONLY.
--
Sickleweed
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storml...@hotmail.com
olivia <ivy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> sl...@usc.edu wrote:
>
> <snipidee-do-da>
> > affections towards one another in each & every episode...i'm a pro-shipper
> > and i don't trust my own readings that much since they reflect my
> > teeth" thing in "bad blood"? was that not a sign that mulder was a bit
indicate
> > that they do have the hots for each other? so, where does the whole "sexual
> > tension" thing fits in? i mean, what is stopping them? proffesionalism?
> ideas, in no specific order:
>
> a] professionalism, and the problems that sex cause in the
> workplace in general (it's also probably against fbi policy).
Gee, professionalism, yeah, THAT'S why I find the show so entertaining...after
all, there's nothing more heartwarming, thought-provoking and
gooseflesh-inducing than a show of professionalism between two members of the
opposite sex. Gee, why don't MORE shows use this formula?
> b] respect.
As in "Will you respect me in the morning?" Yeah, I know, no such luck.
> c] the fact that fox mulder is incapable of having any sort of
> 'normal' relationship (anger/violence, intimacy issues).
Well, that's a matter of opinion. He's one hurtin' cowpoke, that's for
certain, and has made some bad choices, but Mulder gets beat up all the time
for his choices on other matters, and yet that doesn't stop him from trying
again. One of his most endearing and "heroic", if you will, traits is that
defeat doesn't defeat him. He endures and tries again another day. There's no
reason that courage and persistance shouldn't be applied to his personal
relationships as well as to his quest. If he decides that Scully is someone
he loves and wants, I doubt he'd let anything - aside from her own objections
- get in his way. It'd be out of character for him to do otherwise.
> d] a feeling of protectiveness he has towards scully (who he sees
> as a surrogate sister), to which adding sex would only confuse.
I'll go along with the "protectiveness" thing up to a point, but I don't
think you say things like "What are you wearing?" and "Marry me" to someone
you see as a sister. Nor do you try to kiss her in a dimly lit hallway.
You're in major denial, friend.
> e] remember moonlighting? they're trying to *boost* ratings.
EEEWWWWWWWWWWWW, he/she said the "M" word. Well, that argument's been
debunked time and time again, but here's a new (at least to me) rebuttal: If
getting the male-female lead characters of a show together is such a bad
idea, a guaranteed show-killer, then why on earth didn't "Cheers" crash and
burn the moment Sam and Diane consummated their flirtation? It didn't. It
became more popular than ever. Why was this possible? Because as important as
the romantic element was, the focal point of the show in the end was not the
relationship but the clever writing. That's why the show was able to continue
even after the romance ended and Diane left. Granted, it was much weaker
after that, but it didn't end. Most shippers agree that a Mulder/Scully
romance shouldn't become the focal point of their show either, contrary to
what some noromos say about us - we want it to become an added element,
adding more spice to the stew. It worked for "Cheers" - there's no reason it
can't work for this program, if good writing is applied here as it was there.
> f] because sex isn't needed as a focal point in the x-files; the
> stories carry themselves.
Oh, come on. Carter has used the sexual tension time and time again to shore
up a weak script, and you know what? It works ("Chinga"). And there are few
people who will deny that the main reason the FTF film had any entertainment
value whatsoever was the chemistry between Mulder and Scully. As the late
Gene Siskel put it, "Because they're involved, we care".
but who knows? with the way things
> are going..
Let's hope that if it does happen, it happens well.
Hester
pagan chick
Sean Carroll
>
> I get the biggest kick reading Sean's hormonally driven,jealous posts!
Oh, sorry ... I didn't mean to kick you ... ;P
Sean Carroll
>
> : Not true. Mulder gets jealous of Scully whenever she's called into
> : Skinner's office.
>
> You KNOW he loves and lusts after Alex and Alex ONLY.
No, I think that Mulder keeps running to Skinner in an attempt to deny
his feelings for Krycek.
Sean Carroll
If you want people to respect your argument, I'd seriously suggest that
you not fall back on this ad hominem that has been repeated ad nauseam
by shippers when they don't feel like (or are incapable of) actually
*defending* their point of view, and which still means nothing.
Meg: an abomination
said to have said:
>Syzygy was the name of the ep with the 2 "astrology-ridden" girls
Not to be confused with "star-crossed."
I am not who I am-
Meg
--
http://www.mindspring.com/~megadee/lair/
"Watch where you point that." (Krycek)
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olivia
storml...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >i wrote:
> > c] the fact that fox mulder is incapable of having any sort of
> > 'normal' relationship (anger/violence, intimacy issues).
>
> Well, that's a matter of opinion. He's one hurtin' cowpoke, that's for
> certain, and has made some bad choices,
i don't think it has so much to do with choices, as it does with
his personality. much has been made of his 'fondness' for
pornography/erotica/phone sex (which, perhaps, displays his
unwillingness or inability to become intimate with another
person, at least sexually). we never see him with, or hear him
talk about, lovers or even friends (unless the lgm count, but
even at that, the relationship is mostly professional). he
strikes me as an incredibly lonely yet private, stubborn,
independent and closed individual. this closed-in pattern
usually doesn't just 'happen'; it's something that you learn to
do with time, or something you're born with. assuming mulder's
an INTP, he has a natural tendency to ignore anything outside his
quest for knowledge, to look inward instead of without. combine
that with possible emotional and/or physical child abuse (which
bolsters my anger/violence problem hypothesis) or even sexual
abuse (helping to explain his problems with sexual intimacy), an
obsessive personality, possibly even manic-depressive, his
penchant for using people and discarding them when they no longer
serve his purpose (though he is perhaps not aware that he is
doing so), signs of codependency, etc, the very nature of his
profession.. you get a man totally unsuited to any sort of
long-term relationship.
but Mulder gets beat up all the time
> for his choices on other matters, and yet that doesn't stop him from trying
> again. One of his most endearing and "heroic", if you will, traits is that
> defeat doesn't defeat him. He endures and tries again another day. There's no
> reason that courage and persistance shouldn't be applied to his personal
> relationships as well as to his quest. If he decides that Scully is someone
> he loves and wants, I doubt he'd let anything - aside from her own objections
> - get in his way. It'd be out of character for him to do otherwise.
so we can assume that scully is not something he loves and wants?
>
> > d] a feeling of protectiveness he has towards scully (who he sees
> > as a surrogate sister), to which adding sex would only confuse.
>
> I'll go along with the "protectiveness" thing up to a point, but I don't
> think you say things like "What are you wearing?" and "Marry me" to someone
> you see as a sister. Nor do you try to kiss her in a dimly lit hallway.
> You're in major denial, friend.
i never said that he doesn't have a sexual attraction to scully,
i only said that they would confuse things in his mind. anyhow,
you can be sexually attracted to someone without actually wanting
to have sex with that person.
denial? maybe. *squeaksqueak*
> EEEWWWWWWWWWWWW, he/she
she :)
said the "M" word. Well, that argument's been
> debunked time and time again, but here's a new (at least to me) rebuttal: If
> getting the male-female lead characters of a show together is such a bad
> idea, a guaranteed show-killer, then why on earth didn't "Cheers" crash and
> burn the moment Sam and Diane consummated their flirtation? It didn't.
it did. they had to bring in kirsty ally to get the UST flowin'
again.
It
> became more popular than ever. Why was this possible? Because as important as
> the romantic element was, the focal point of the show in the end was not the
> relationship but the clever writing. That's why the show was able to continue
> even after the romance ended and Diane left. Granted, it was much weaker
> after that, but it didn't end. Most shippers agree that a Mulder/Scully
> romance shouldn't become the focal point of their show either, contrary to
> what some noromos say about us - we want it to become an added element,
> adding more spice to the stew. It worked for "Cheers"
maybe. but that's because cheers was first and foremost, a
comedy. they weren't dealing with mythological/archetypical
imagery and stories in a serious format. the episodes of cheers
were about interpersonal relationships. without the
interpersonal relationships in the x-files, the show would
crumble, but adding any element of romance beyond what's already
there would (in my opinion) instantly bring the x-files down to
the level of, say, cheers or ally mcbeal. if i wanted to watch
those types of shows i would, but i'm ever so glad that x-files
is there when i *don't*.
besides.. that's what fan-fiction is for. :)
> > f] because sex isn't needed as a focal point in the x-files; the
> > stories carry themselves.
>
> Oh, come on. Carter has used the sexual tension time and time again to shore
> up a weak script, and you know what? It works ("Chinga"). And there are few
> people who will deny that the main reason the FTF film had any entertainment
> value whatsoever was the chemistry between Mulder and Scully. As the late
> Gene Siskel put it, "Because they're involved, we care".
no, because *i'm* involved, i care. the main reason fight the
future had any entertainment value was that i was finally getting
to see people i'd lived with and cried with and adventured with
for years, transported into the grandiose movie theater
experience.
and, personally, i hated chinga.
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olivia
i wrote:
> i don't think it has so much to do with choices, as it does with
> his personality.
<snip pseudospychobabble>
whoop. i completely forgot to mention his 'control' issues.
la la. i need to get a life.
CMSpurple
>>
>> I get the biggest kick reading Sean's hormonally driven,jealous posts!
>
>Oh, sorry ... I didn't mean to kick you ... ;P
>
>
>--Sean
That's ok,when I pull up a thread like this I already know I'm going to see a
post from you and I usually have a good idea what you're going to say. So in
other words I'm telling you that at your young tender age you've already become
BORING. :)
Debra Reynolds
Sean Carroll wrote:
> storml...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > You're in major denial, friend.
>
> If you want people to respect your argument, I'd seriously suggest that
> you not fall back on this ad hominem that has been repeated ad nauseam
> by shippers when they don't feel like (or are incapable of) actually
> *defending* their point of view, and which still means nothing.
>
Sean, while I appreciate your point, that argument can be made from both
sides of the aisle. Facts may be regarded as only supposition by those who
disagree. Of course, the reverse is also true.
DebR
storml...@hotmail.com
Sean Carroll <se...@phoenixat.com> wrote:
> storml...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > You're in major denial, friend.
>
> If you want people to respect your argument, I'd seriously suggest that
> you not fall back on this ad hominem that has been repeated ad nauseam
> by shippers when they don't feel like (or are incapable of) actually
> *defending* their point of view, and which still means nothing.
Well, I think I mentioned various instances of non-brotherly flirtatious
behavior by Mulder toward Scully, in order to prove that he does not see
Scully as a sister substitute, and I think the arguments I made had merit.
Although I suppose it's all relative (pun intended); I mean, I don't know how
people interact in YOUR family...
Hester
pagan chick
>
> --
> --Sean
> http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science_fiction/Pendrell_Jr/index.html
> "Nothing happens in contradiction to nature. Only in contradiction to
> what we know of it." --Dana Scully
>
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I would say he's withdrawn into porno because of bad relationship choices he's
made in the past - choices that, as I said, left him one hurtin' cowpoke.
Doesn't mean he can't be brought out of it.
>
> but Mulder gets beat up all the time
> > for his choices on other matters, and yet that doesn't stop him from trying
> > again. One of his most endearing and "heroic", if you will, traits is that
> > defeat doesn't defeat him. He endures and tries again another day. There's
no
> > reason that courage and persistance shouldn't be applied to his personal
> > relationships as well as to his quest. If he decides that Scully is someone
> > he loves and wants, I doubt he'd let anything - aside from her own
objections
> > - get in his way. It'd be out of character for him to do otherwise.
>
> so we can assume that scully is not something he loves and wants?
Where did you get that out of my statement? I think he DOES love and want
her. I don't imagine he'd try to kiss her and tell her he loves her
otherwise.
>
> >
> > > d] a feeling of protectiveness he has towards scully (who he sees
> > > as a surrogate sister), to which adding sex would only confuse.
> >
> > I'll go along with the "protectiveness" thing up to a point, but I don't
> > think you say things like "What are you wearing?" and "Marry me" to someone
> > you see as a sister. Nor do you try to kiss her in a dimly lit hallway.
> > You're in major denial, friend.
>
> i never said that he doesn't have a sexual attraction to scully,
> i only said that they would confuse things in his mind. anyhow,
> you can be sexually attracted to someone without actually wanting
> to have sex with that person.
> denial? maybe. *squeaksqueak*
Maybe nothing.
>
> > EEEWWWWWWWWWWWW, he/she
>
> she :)
>
> said the "M" word. Well, that argument's been
> > debunked time and time again, but here's a new (at least to me) rebuttal: If
> > getting the male-female lead characters of a show together is such a bad
> > idea, a guaranteed show-killer, then why on earth didn't "Cheers" crash and
> > burn the moment Sam and Diane consummated their flirtation? It didn't.
>
> it did. they had to bring in kirsty ally to get the UST flowin'
> again.
It didn't crash and burn ratings-wise. It did just fine. As far as Kirstie
Alley is concerned, she and Ted Danson had about as much chemistry together
as Gumby and Pokey.
>
> It
> > became more popular than ever. Why was this possible? Because as important
as
> > the romantic element was, the focal point of the show in the end was not the
> > relationship but the clever writing. That's why the show was able to
continue
> > even after the romance ended and Diane left. Granted, it was much weaker
> > after that, but it didn't end. Most shippers agree that a Mulder/Scully
> > romance shouldn't become the focal point of their show either, contrary to
> > what some noromos say about us - we want it to become an added element,
> > adding more spice to the stew. It worked for "Cheers"
>
> maybe. but that's because cheers was first and foremost, a
> comedy. they weren't dealing with mythological/archetypical
> imagery and stories in a serious format. the episodes of cheers
> were about interpersonal relationships. without the
> interpersonal relationships in the x-files, the show would
> crumble, but adding any element of romance beyond what's already
> there would (in my opinion) instantly bring the x-files down to
> the level of, say, cheers or ally mcbeal.
This is what gets me about this type of argument (I'm surprised you didn't
mention "Melrose Place" or "90210" while you were at it). "The X-Files" has
incorporated other adult themes in its dramatic arc; why shouldn't romance be
one of them? Unless you think romance only in terms of Harlequin novels or
soap opera, which I suspect you do.
if i wanted to watch
> those types of shows i would, but i'm ever so glad that x-files
> is there when i *don't*.
> besides.. that's what fan-fiction is for. :)
Well, while we're on the subject, I've read fanfic that successfully
incorporates a romantic relationship into the XF storyline without
compromising the mytharc. Why can't the show?
>
> > > f] because sex isn't needed as a focal point in the x-files; the
> > > stories carry themselves.
> >
> > Oh, come on. Carter has used the sexual tension time and time again to shore
> > up a weak script, and you know what? It works ("Chinga"). And there are few
> > people who will deny that the main reason the FTF film had any entertainment
> > value whatsoever was the chemistry between Mulder and Scully. As the late
> > Gene Siskel put it, "Because they're involved, we care".
>
> no, because *i'm* involved, i care.
And what is it about the show that involves you?
the main reason fight the
> future had any entertainment value was that i was finally getting
> to see people i'd lived with and cried with and adventured with
> for years, transported into the grandiose movie theater
> experience.
Which is pretty much what I said. Mulder and Scully obviously involve you, so
when you see something that involves THEM, you care.
Hester
pagan chick
Lone Gungirl
>
>I would say he's withdrawn into porno because of bad relationship choices
he's
>made in the past - choices that, as I said, left him one hurtin' cowpoke.
>Doesn't mean he can't be brought out of it.
>
Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using women
as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
supported.
But it is very unlikely that am man like Mulder, who shows deep respect for
Scully and other women, would get sexually aroused by images that humilate
women; and that Mulder wouldn't have enough phantasie to enjoy masturbation
without porn.
It is also unlikely that a self-assured woman like Scully would be solidly
behind a partner with misogynistic tendencies.
Lone Gungirl
fiendis...@my-dejanews.com
> Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using women
> as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
> supported.
Gimme a break... The X-Files is one of the least exploitive shows on TV.
When was Mulder's use of porn ever portrayed as anything other than a minor
character flaw? I certainly can't think of anything that would support your
conclusion.
Miles
olivia
Lone Gungirl wrote:
> Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using women
> as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
> supported.
yeah, but regardless of *why* it's there, it's still there, and
you have to take all into account if you want to profile fox
mulder.
> But it is very unlikely that am man like Mulder, who shows deep respect for
> Scully and other women,
iffy.
>would get sexually aroused by images that humilate
> women;
plenty of men can have respect for women and get off on porn.
believe me.
>and that Mulder wouldn't have enough phantasie to enjoy masturbation
> without porn.
not all men are like women, in that like most of us, they prefer
to concoct scenarios and fantasies out of their imaginations.
most men are aroused mainly by visual stimuli.
> It is also unlikely that a self-assured woman like Scully would be solidly
> behind a partner with misogynistic tendencies.
scully isn't as self-assured as you think. she constantly looks
for acceptance in her partner the same way she looked for
acceptance from her father. she is either unaware of her need,
or she feels that she's strong enough to 'hush' that part of her
psyche; but it does display itself every now and then.
MWayne13
>Date: Fri, Mar 5, 1999 15:54 EST
>Message-id: <7bpg9j$bks$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
>
>
>
>> Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using women
>> as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
>> supported.
>
>When was Mulder's use of porn ever portrayed as anything other than a minor
>character flaw? I certainly can't think of anything that would support your
>conclusion.
>
>Miles
>
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Thank you! I've always felt Mulder's porn habit was (especially in the earlier
seasons) partially used to show his isolation from people and his inability to
have "normal" relationships in his life due to his obsessive quest. The porn
jokes did get a little broader as the show went on, which I think is sort of
unfortunate. Not because I think we're supposed to gather that Chris and Co.
think treating women like sex objects is cool, but because it becomes an easy
laugh.
One of the scenes that always stuck with me is right after the teaser in "One
Breath" when Mulder is watching a porn movie and just lying there rewinding it
over and over. Scully's been gone for months, he's totally isolated and that
action of him lying there passively watching that porn scene struck me as one
of the most poignant things I'd ever seen. It's a great empty moment for
Mulder and I think the use of porn is demonstrated for that reason, not to
imply that he's a pervert.
Maryann
Deborah A Tinsley
--
MWayne13 <mway...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990305165155...@ng13.aol.com>...
And you have to remember Mulder is a man who sees. His gaze takes in all
the things Scully hasn't seen. He has been very much motivated by seeing
his sister abducted, seeing the red light in Paper Hearts, seeing the
monster in Folie A Deux. I think visual stimulus has been well established
as a significant part of Mulder's make up. It makes sense that seeing porn
would satisfy him in some way-- in Dreamlands it seemed to relax him, put
him to sleep.
> One of the scenes that always stuck with me is right after the teaser
in "One
> Breath" when Mulder is watching a porn movie and just lying there
rewinding it
> over and over. Scully's been gone for months, he's totally isolated and
that
> action of him lying there passively watching that porn scene struck me
as one
> of the most poignant things I'd ever seen. It's a great empty moment
for
> Mulder and I think the use of porn is demonstrated for that reason, not
to
> imply that he's a pervert.
>
> Maryann
Yes, I think your last sentence gets to the point.
Deborah
realdana
fiendis...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7bpg9j$bks$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>
>> Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using
women
>> as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
>> supported.
>
>Gimme a break... The X-Files is one of the least exploitive shows on TV.
>When was Mulder's use of porn ever portrayed as anything other than a minor
>character flaw? I certainly can't think of anything that would support your
>conclusion.
Ah - I admit it, I am "flawed" as well then...
dana
XFW#809
realdana
MWayne13 wrote in message <19990305165155...@ng13.aol.com>...
>>From: fiendis...@my-dejanews.com
>>Date: Fri, Mar 5, 1999 15:54 EST
>>Message-id: <7bpg9j$bks$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
>>
>>
>>
women
>>> as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
>>> supported.
>>
>>Gimme a break... The X-Files is one of the least exploitive shows on TV.
>>When was Mulder's use of porn ever portrayed as anything other than a
minor
>>character flaw? I certainly can't think of anything that would support
your
>>conclusion.
>>
>>
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>>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>></PRE></HTML>
>
>Thank you! I've always felt Mulder's porn habit was (especially in the
earlier
>seasons) partially used to show his isolation from people and his inability
to
>have "normal" relationships in his life due to his obsessive quest. The
porn
>jokes did get a little broader as the show went on, which I think is sort
of
>unfortunate. Not because I think we're supposed to gather that Chris and
Co.
>think treating women like sex objects is cool, but because it becomes an
easy
>laugh.
>
"One
>Breath" when Mulder is watching a porn movie and just lying there rewinding
it
>over and over. Scully's been gone for months, he's totally isolated and
that
>action of him lying there passively watching that porn scene struck me as
one
>of the most poignant things I'd ever seen. It's a great empty moment for
>Mulder and I think the use of porn is demonstrated for that reason, not to
>imply that he's a pervert.
I agree. I do think the inside jokes about his porn interest are funny
though. At least he's turning to porn for sexual satisfaction rather than
using some real woman to whom he has no emotionally attachment.
dana
SandyW7592
>
>Said they on 2 Mar 1999 22:25:43 GMT, tla...@aol.com (TLaiter) is
>said to have said:
>
>>Syzygy was the name of the ep with the 2 "astrology-ridden" girls
>
>Not to be confused with "star-crossed."
How 'bout just "cross"?
Sandman
CC used my name in "The Beginning"! But my namesake got mulched by the
GardenWeasel baby alien. Damn.
(remove "spamplam" to reply)
fiendis...@my-dejanews.com
> >> Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using
> women
> >> as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
> >> supported.
> >
> >Gimme a break... The X-Files is one of the least exploitive shows on TV.
> >When was Mulder's use of porn ever portrayed as anything other than a minor
> >character flaw? I certainly can't think of anything that would support your
> >conclusion.
>
> Ah - I admit it, I am "flawed" as well then...
> dana
> XFW#809
Hey, I did say "minor."
Miles
CMSpurple
>as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
>supported.
And what interview are you quoting?? Or may I assume you're making this up on
your own. And where did the idea to use DD as a sex object come from?? Since
we've recently got to see his wet behind and dick hanging everywhere recently
on "Monday".
DD has shown more skin on this show than Scully . How many other shows can you
say that about??
>But it is very unlikely that am man like Mulder, who shows deep respect for
>Scully and other women, would get sexually aroused by images that humilate
>women; and that Mulder wouldn't have enough phantasie to enjoy masturbation
>without porn.
For starters saying all porn humiliates women is illogical in the extreme. And
second of all ,it IS possible for a man to have respect for women in general
but still enjoy watching porn. It's annoying to women,but men like to LOOK
,they're totally wired that way,get used to it. Most of the guys I know watch
porn at least occasionally ,mostly for masturbation. Unless,you're talking
really abusive type films from timbucktwo somewhere ,most mainstream porn is
pretty boring: its two people having sex . And I'd rather see Mulder watching
porn than sleeping with a different girl every episode like heros used to do on
some old action shows in the 70's ,someone help me here... name some show...you
know what I"m talking about!!
Frankly , I think if Mulder is in a relationship he'll probably make Frohike a
very happy boy by giving him most of his collection.
>It is also unlikely that a self-assured woman like Scully would be solidly
>behind a partner with misogynistic tendencies.
Unlike you,Scully seems to be understanding of men's sexuality and Mulder's in
particular. For all you know,Scully has probably watched a few of those tapes
of his before he gets to the office.
>Lone Gungirl
I find your name more than a little Freudian.
Catherine
who still prefers a really racy chapter in a good book...but then that makes me
a pervert doesn't it??
olivia
CMSpurple wrote:
> porn at least occasionally ,mostly for masturbation. Unless,you're talking
> really abusive type films from timbucktwo somewhere ,most mainstream porn is
> pretty boring: its two people having sex .
unless it's hustler.
pretty tasteless stuff.
mostly pussy shots.
>And I'd rather see Mulder watching
> porn than sleeping with a different girl every episode like heros used to do on
> some old action shows in the 70's ,someone help me here... name some show...you
> know what I"m talking about!!
um.. star trek?
60's tho.
--
drunk as a skunk!
<:3 )---
http://members.xoom.com/ivy___/
storml...@hotmail.com
olivia <ivy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Lone Gungirl wrote:
>
> > Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using women
> > as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
> > supported.
>
> you have to take all into account if you want to profile fox
> mulder.
But it doesn't hurt to take the creator's mindset into account, also, when
analyzing a character.
>
> > But it is very unlikely that am man like Mulder, who shows deep respect for
> > Scully and other women,
>
> iffy.
Well, I've never seen him treat a woman with disrespect, the possible
exception being Lyda from "How The Ghosts Stole Christmas" - and he was,
after all, under a great deal of stress at the time, what with his partner
vanishing into the depths of a haunted house and all.
>
> >would get sexually aroused by images that humilate
> > women;
>
> plenty of men can have respect for women and get off on porn.
> believe me.
Sorry, I don't - not if you're referring to porn that, as LGG says,
humiliates women. Men who enjoy watching women get humiliated can hardly
respect them. Now there is porn that simply celebrates sexuality, and given
what we saw of Mulder's fantasy women in the episode "Killswitch" - the
portion where the A1 computer had him trapped and hallucinating - I think we
can rest easy on his preferences in that regard; yes, those fantasy women
were bimbos, but nurturing bimbos, which I found interesting in itself -
perhaps for Mulder porn is as much a healing process as well as for
titillation purposes.
> > It is also unlikely that a self-assured woman like Scully would be solidly
> > behind a partner with misogynistic tendencies.
>
> scully isn't as self-assured as you think. she constantly looks
> for acceptance in her partner the same way she looked for
> acceptance from her father.
Yes, at one time she did. But I think she's changed. She's a much stronger,
more self-reliant character than she was at the show's beginning. I too don't
think she would tolerate a partner that watched something reprehensible as a
form of entertainment - or at least she wouldn't become devoted to such a
person.
Lone Gungirl
>women
>>> as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
>>> supported.
>>
>>
That is exactly the reason why the porn thing annoys me.
Lone Gungirl
Lone Gungirl
CMSpurple schrieb in Nachricht 19990306014002...@ng32.aol.com :
>>
>>Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using women
>>as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
>>supported.
>>
>
>And what interview are you quoting??
>
I am quoting the Space View inteview from Germany, August 1998, and the
Playboy interview from December 1998.
>
>And where did the idea to use DD as a sex object come from?? Since
>we've recently got to see his wet behind and dick hanging everywhere
recently
>on "Monday".
>DD has shown more skin on this show than Scully . How many other shows can
you
>say that about??
>
Nakedness and being portrayed as a sex object are two different things.
>
>And second of all ,it IS possible for a man to have respect for women in
general
>but still enjoy watching porn.
>
Yes, if it's gay or feminist porn. But in TXF there are no hints to this
kind of porn.
>
>Unlike you,Scully seems to be understanding of men's sexuality and Mulder's
in
>particular.
>
>>Lone Gungirl
>
>I find your name more than a little Freudian.
>
>Catherine
>
I find that your whole post is an example for Freudian principles, wich are
called Wishful Thinking and Defence Mechanism. Why else would you react so
hostile on another opinion?
Lone Gungirl
storml...@hotmail.com
mway...@aol.com (MWayne13) wrote:
>
> Thank you! I've always felt Mulder's porn habit was (especially in the
earlier
> seasons) partially used to show his isolation from people and his inability to
> have "normal" relationships in his life due to his obsessive quest. The porn
> jokes did get a little broader as the show went on, which I think is sort of
> unfortunate. Not because I think we're supposed to gather that Chris and Co.
> think treating women like sex objects is cool, but because it becomes an easy
> laugh.
>
> One of the scenes that always stuck with me is right after the teaser in
"One
> Breath" when Mulder is watching a porn movie and just lying there rewinding it
> over and over. Scully's been gone for months, he's totally isolated and that
> action of him lying there passively watching that porn scene struck me as one
> of the most poignant things I'd ever seen. It's a great empty moment for
> Mulder and I think the use of porn is demonstrated for that reason, not to
> imply that he's a pervert.
>
> Maryann
Wow, that is EXACTLY the impression I got from that scene - plus, if you
notice, for the most part he's not watching the TV while the video is
playing; instead he's looking up at the ceiling and just listening to it. My
friend told me at the time that he was fantasizing about Scully as a way of
comforting himself at his loss. Makes sense to me.
Magpie
>In article <19990305165155...@ng13.aol.com>,
> mway...@aol.com (MWayne13) wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you! I've always felt Mulder's porn habit was (especially in the
>earlier
>> seasons) partially used to show his isolation from people and his inability to
>> have "normal" relationships in his life due to his obsessive quest. The porn
>> jokes did get a little broader as the show went on, which I think is sort of
>> unfortunate. Not because I think we're supposed to gather that Chris and Co.
>> think treating women like sex objects is cool, but because it becomes an easy
>> laugh.
>>
>> One of the scenes that always stuck with me is right after the teaser in
>"One
>> Breath" when Mulder is watching a porn movie and just lying there rewinding it
>> over and over. Scully's been gone for months, he's totally isolated and that
>> action of him lying there passively watching that porn scene struck me as one
>> of the most poignant things I'd ever seen. It's a great empty moment for
>> Mulder and I think the use of porn is demonstrated for that reason, not to
>> imply that he's a pervert.
>Wow, that is EXACTLY the impression I got from that scene - plus, if you
>notice, for the most part he's not watching the TV while the video is
>playing; instead he's looking up at the ceiling and just listening to it. My
>friend told me at the time that he was fantasizing about Scully as a way of
>comforting himself at his loss. Makes sense to me.
I second that. The guy has a job that makes romance pretty much
impossible--what woman would accept being third in their boyfriend's
life (behind Scully and the job)? Besides that, every person he's
ever reached out to has died or been kidnapped and tortured, often
*because* he reached out to them. Unless they're working against
him to begin with.
He's a normal guy with a normal sex drive and precious few options
for working off sexual tension...and now people want to take that
away from him too? Maybe he's tired after a long, lonely day and
doesn't have the energy to make up his own fantasy. How he gets off in
his own time is nobody's business. He doesn't need any more guilt piled
onto him because he's not watching politically correct porn.
Trying to put a leash on a person's sexual fantasies is like trying
to shoo a tornado away from your house.
-m
Magpie
>
>CMSpurple schrieb in Nachricht 19990306014002...@ng32.aol.com :
>
>>>
>>>Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using women
>>>as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
>>>supported.
>>>
>
>>
>>And what interview are you quoting??
>>
>
>I am quoting the Space View inteview from Germany, August 1998, and the
>Playboy interview from December 1998.
>
>>
>>And where did the idea to use DD as a sex object come from?? Since
>>we've recently got to see his wet behind and dick hanging everywhere
>recently
>>on "Monday".
>>DD has shown more skin on this show than Scully . How many other shows can
>you
>>say that about??
>>
>
>Nakedness and being portrayed as a sex object are two different things.
I'd say Mulder's more often a sex object than naked. But maybe I'm
projecting.
>
>>
>>And second of all ,it IS possible for a man to have respect for women in
>general
>>but still enjoy watching porn.
>>
>
>Yes, if it's gay or feminist porn. But in TXF there are no hints to this
>kind of porn.
What hints are there at all? Silly titles like "alien probe" and
a few shots of a man and a woman taking off their clothes in
Dreamland and some heavy breathing is all I can remember. What happens
in feminist and gay porn?
>
>>
>>Unlike you,Scully seems to be understanding of men's sexuality and Mulder's
>in
>>particular.
>>
>>>Lone Gungirl
>>
>>I find your name more than a little Freudian.
>>
>>Catherine
>>
>
>I find that your whole post is an example for Freudian principles, wich are
>called Wishful Thinking and Defence Mechanism. Why else would you react so
>hostile on another opinion?
I think she was more amused than hostile.
-m
Deborah A Tinsley
> snip
> Trying to put a leash on a person's sexual fantasies is like trying
> to shoo a tornado away from your house.
>
I second that emotion.
Deborah
fiendis...@my-dejanews.com
"Lone Gungirl" <x...@aon.at> wrote:
> >
> >fiendis...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> ><7bpg9j$bks$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >>
> >>
> >women
> >>> as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
> >>> supported.
> >>
> >>
>
> That is exactly the reason why the porn thing annoys me.
But when has the "porn thing" ever been used to titillate the audience? I
don't think the audience's reaction is supposed to be "Mulder is the good
guy. Mulder likes pornography. Therefore pornography is cool."
Miles
fiendis...@my-dejanews.com
> >>
> >>And second of all ,it IS possible for a man to have respect for women in
> >general
> >>but still enjoy watching porn.
> >>
> >
> >Yes, if it's gay or feminist porn. But in TXF there are no hints to this
> >kind of porn.
>
> What hints are there at all? Silly titles like "alien probe" and
> a few shots of a man and a woman taking off their clothes in
> Dreamland and some heavy breathing is all I can remember. What happens
> in feminist and gay porn?
Why, the participants voice mutual respect for one another before they get it
on, of course.
TedFan
>> >
>> >fiendis...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
>> ><7bpg9j$bks$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Mulder is into porn because Glen Morgan and James Wong thought using
>> >women
>> >>> as sex objects was cool, wich was a point of view Carter and Duchovny
>> >>> supported.
>> >>
>> >>Gimme a break... The X-Files is one of the least exploitive shows on TV.
>> >>
>>
>> That is exactly the reason why the porn thing annoys me.
>
>But when has the "porn thing" ever been used to titillate the audience? I
>don't think the audience's reaction is supposed to be "Mulder is the good
>guy. Mulder likes pornography. Therefore pornography is cool."
>
>Miles
Miles is right. The whole porn thing is to show an gap in Mulder's life,
perhaps an unwillingness to involve anyone or to get involved in order to avoid
giving someone or causing himself pain. A long time ago some around here wrote
that Mulder was the loneliest man in the world, but just wasn't aware of it.
Marta
CMSpurple
>> porn than sleeping with a different girl every episode like heros used to
>do on
>> some old action shows in the 70's ,someone help me here... name some
>show...you
>> know what I"m talking about!!
>um.. star trek?
>60's tho.
Yeah, I recently watched those reairings on the Sci-Fi channel,man I'd
forgotten how good Shatner looked back then. And he's not even my type!
Shatner is probably the best screen kisser I've ever seen ,hot hot hot. But
that's a good example.
CMSpurple
>>we've recently got to see his wet behind and dick hanging everywhere
>recently
>>on "Monday".
>>DD has shown more skin on this show than Scully . How many other shows can
>Nakedness and being portrayed as a sex object are two different things.
>
>
Not on American TV it isn't. American's have waaay too many hangups about
nudity.
>>And second of all ,it IS possible for a man to have respect for women in
>general
>>but still enjoy watching porn.
>>
>Yes, if it's gay or feminist porn. But in TXF there are no hints to this
>kind of porn.
This comment is beyond ridiculous. So we have politically correct porn now??
I've watched some gay porn,it doesn't seem to be any more or less exploitive
than straight.
>>>Lone Gungirl
>>
>>I find your name more than a little Freudian.
>>
>>Catherine
>I find that your whole post is an example for Freudian principles, wich are
>called Wishful Thinking and Defence Mechanism. Why else would you react so
>hostile on another opinion?
Wishful thinking about what?? You are giving attributes to a tv character who
hasn't really exhibited them based on a a personal habit that is unrelated to
said attributes. Namely,calling Mulder mysogynistic because he watches porn.
And I'm hostile because I think your post was totally stupid and I resent
people like you giving feminism a bad name.
Next time I'll be clearer about that,since you seem to be making these long
leaps of little logic.
And I still think freudians would have a blast with your name: Lone
Gungirl
storml...@hotmail.com
Here's hoping Maurice the Ghost helped set the guy straight.
Hester
pagan chick
Deborah A Tinsley
CMSpurple <cmsp...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990307030341...@ng-fu1.aol.com>...
> >>And where did the idea to use DD as a sex object come from?? Since
> >>we've recently got to see his wet behind and dick hanging everywhere
> >recently on "Monday".
Oh my God! His dick was hanging everywhere! Did you need special glasses or
just a little finesse with the frame by frame on your VCR? <g>
> >>DD has shown more skin on this show than Scully .
> >Nakedness and being portrayed as a sex object are two different things.
Yes, go to any nude beach. It ain't pretty, but it's kind of fun anyway.
> Not on American TV it isn't. American's have waaay too many hangups about
> nudity.
> >>And second of all ,it IS possible for a man to have respect for women
in
> >general
> >>but still enjoy watching porn.
It had better be or we are in a lot of trouble.
> >Yes, if it's gay or feminist porn. But in TXF there are no hints to this
> >kind of porn.
>
> This comment is beyond ridiculous. So we have politically correct porn
now??
> I've watched some gay porn,it doesn't seem to be any more or less
exploitive
> than straight.
This is an intriguing idea - politically correct porn? But if it were PC, I
don't think it'd be very interesting.
Is gay porn supposed to be okay because it's one sex doing it to same sex
so it's not exploitative? Doesn't make sense. And what the hell is feminist
porn?
> >>>Lone Gungirl
> >>I find your name more than a little Freudian.
> >>Catherine
Gotta love that Freud. Everything revolves around the dick. Hey maybe
having Mulder's dick hanging everywhere was some kind of Freudian symbol.
> >I find that your whole post is an example for Freudian principles, wich
are
> >called Wishful Thinking and Defence Mechanism. Why else would you react
so
> >hostile on another opinion?
There's a lot of reasons someone would react with hostility to someone
else's opinion. What's the matter with Wishful Thinking?
> Wishful thinking about what?? You are giving attributes to a tv character
who
> hasn't really exhibited them based on a a personal habit that is
unrelated to
> said attributes. Namely,calling Mulder mysogynistic because he watches
porn.
Mulder's no misogynist. That's ridiculous. Now he might, at times, express
himself in ways that could be construed as irritating or offensive to
women, but that's called being human. Don't you think? Else, everytime I
feel hostility toward a man just because he's a man, that would make me a
what? What's the opposite of misogynist? Man-hater?
Anyway, in the real world, men and women do get frustrated with the
opposite sex and their own sex at times, but unless one establishes some
kind of destructive pattern, labels like misogynist and man-hater seem kind
of extreme.
Deborah
olivia
Deborah A Tinsley wrote:
> what? What's the opposite of misogynist? Man-hater?
misandronist
but there are no such things as opposites anyway.
--
don't lose
your head
to gain a minute
you need your head
your brains are in it.
- burma shave
http://www.freespeech.org/olivia/
D.G. Porter
>
>
> Mulder's no misogynist. That's ridiculous. Now he might, at times, express
> himself in ways that could be construed as irritating or offensive to
> women, but that's called being human. Don't you think? Else, everytime I
> feel hostility toward a man just because he's a man, that would make me a
Member of the California Peace and Freedom Party heirarchy, maybe. I'll
tell you why (imagine me telling you this with a smile):
A male friend of mine was riding back from the state party convention
with three woman delegates. [The fact that he's blind will bear on
this.] All the way back, the three women (one who is County party chair
where I live) are making jokes about how "useless" all men are. You
know, chanting that song about "War -- HUH! What is it good for
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!" except subsituting "Men" for "War" and "they" for
"it." (Also keep in mind that P&F is an avowedly socialist/progressive
party -- on paper at least!) [It seems awfully rude to be making these
comments with a guy there in the car with them, but everyone knows we
males are the oppressive gender!]
Well, my friend being blind, he is very sensitive to sounds. He begins
to hear something "wrong" about the way one tire is sounding. He says
something like, "Um, Maxine? I think there's something wrong with one
of the tires. Maybe we should stop and check them." The three ladies
all mock him. "Ahh, you're just a MAN, ha ha, what do you know?
<guffaw!>"
Another couple of hours go by. The sound is getting more pronounced to
my friend. "Uhh, Maxine, I really think you should check the tires.
Something sounds wrong with one of them." "Yeah, ha ha ha, sure!"
Then they get into L.A. and the gals begin to realize that yes,
something is indeed wrong with the car. The car isn't acting right.
They stop. They look at the tires. Uh oh, one has lost almost all its
tread! It's been falling off since Bakersfield!
Oh dear, now what do they do? "Richard, can you change the tire for
us??" "Hey, I'm just a man, what do I know??" "But Richard, how will
we get home???" "Hey, I can always take the bus, I know how to get home
from here on the bus!" "You mean you'd just leave us here???" "Well,
I'm just a man, what am I good for? Nothing, right? Call the auto
club."
Oh, he eventually told them how to change the tire.
> Anyway, in the real world, men and women do get frustrated with the
> opposite sex and their own sex at times, but unless one establishes some
> kind of destructive pattern, labels like misogynist and man-hater seem kind
> of extreme.
Especially if one is one! ;)
Deborah A Tinsley
olivia <ivy...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<36E2F933...@hotmail.com>...
>
>
> Deborah A Tinsley wrote:
>
>
> > what? What's the opposite of misogynist? Man-hater?
>
> but there are no such things as opposites anyway.
>
>
Amazing how obscure misandronist is while any junior high schooler knows
the term misogynist. God, my spell check doesn't even recognize it.
I have never heard this word used - ever. When it comes to women hating men
you tend to hear the more colorful slang - man-hater, man-eater, bitch,
etc.
Deborah
eye4you
Magpie <belviso> wrote:
> How he gets off in
> his own time is nobody's business.
Actually, it's everybody's business now. =)
> Trying to put a leash on a person's sexual fantasies is like trying
> to shoo a tornado away from your house.
Well said.
eye4you
"Deborah A Tinsley" <TINS...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> CMSpurple <cmsp...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19990307030341...@ng-fu1.aol.com>...
> > >>And where did the idea to use DD as a sex object come from?? Since
> > >>we've recently got to see his wet behind and dick hanging everywhere
> > >recently on "Monday".
>
> Oh my God! His dick was hanging everywhere! Did you need special glasses or
> just a little finesse with the frame by frame on your VCR? <g>
I swear to god I laughed for at least five minutes on this comment. I want to
see Mulder's dick hanging everywhere!!!
> Mulder's no misogynist. That's ridiculous. Now he might, at times, express
> himself in ways that could be construed as irritating or offensive to
> women, but that's called being human. Don't you think? Else, everytime I
> feel hostility toward a man just because he's a man, that would make me a
> what? What's the opposite of misogynist? Man-hater?
>
> Anyway, in the real world, men and women do get frustrated with the
> opposite sex and their own sex at times, but unless one establishes some
> kind of destructive pattern, labels like misogynist and man-hater seem kind
> of extreme.
>
> Deborah
I actually see both points of view in this argument--in many feminist
circles, porn is considered very exploitative to women. Mainly because it's
mostly made by men, and having a woman exposed in any way shape or form to an
onlooking man behind a camera who is watching her expose herself, and most
likely paying her to do so, is pretty degrading to the woman, if you think
about it. At least that's where the objection comes from I think.
But as for Mulder, he's an innocent bystander in this ongoing feminist
war--he's not selling porn, he's not shooting porn, and he's not hurting
anyone because he's watching porn.
Sean Carroll
>
> > How he gets off in
> > his own time is nobody's business.
>
> Actually, it's everybody's business now. =)
You mean that's not *supposed* t be everybody's business?
> > Trying to put a leash on a person's sexual fantasies is like trying
> > to shoo a tornado away from your house.
>
> Well said.
I disagree.
I could see you shooing a tornado away. That's within the realm of
extreme possibility.
--
--Sean
http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science_fiction/Pendrell_Jr/index.html
"Nothing happens in contradiction to nature. Only in contradiction to
what we know of it." --Dana Scully
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