mulder, porn, trading cards
Claudette Roulo
(The wall calendar in "3").
Anyway, has anyone heard if the cards from Topps are due out anytime
soon? If so, are there any cool promotional packages planned (al la Star
Trek limited edition 3-d cards, etc.)?
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log...@microcity.com
IC>I guess the question of Mulder's interest in porn has been answered.
IC>(The wall calendar in "3").
Porn?? You call that porn?? It was a girl on a bikini on a boat or
something...as a matter of fact, all the pictures were girls in
bikinis..hardly pornographic. Being as straight-laced as he is, I would
worry if Mulder did not have a girl-in-bikini calendar.
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Kenny Mai
Eric C. Kohls <er...@sadlab.trans.comsat.com> wrote:
[ Calendar in 3 does not = porn ]
The calendar aside, there have been many hints that Mulder's
reading/viewing habits crossover into pornography. It's in
one of the FAQs.
Off the top of my head:
Once Scully sees Mulder intently reading something and comments,
"I haven't seen you that engrossed in something since I caught you
reading the Adult Video News." (badly paraphrased for you purists out
there)
At the beginning of an episode, Mulder is seen looking at a fold-out
centerfold. He tells Scully that the woman in the picture claims to
have been abducted by aliens. Scully makes a droll remark about how
the zero-gravity has affected her.
Mulder tells the Lone Gunmen that he hasn't read their latest issue
b/c it arrived the same day as his Celebrity Skin.
There were probably other instances, but I think those are the
highpoints. At any rate, the calendar is not the sole evidence that
Mulder has an interest in pornography.
km
PS. Anyone else enjoy seeing Mulder enthusiastic to the point of
being manic in the Pilot. It's such a contrast to the way he is now,
always sad, tight-lipped, and fingering Scully's cross. Poor Mulder.
Claudette Roulo
> In article <19677JOIL...@microcity.com> log...@microcity.com writes:
>
> > Porn?? You call that porn?? It was a girl on a bikini on a boat or
> >something...
>
> Actually, the girls were all posing with oversized carpentry tools...
>
> I didn't notice this until the 2nd time through...when I did, I was literally
> ROTFL!
>
> Kris
>
>
No, actually it's far from porn, but the fact that he has no qualms about
putting it up in a government office means he's probably pretty secure
about his interest in scantily clad women. Which means he probably
wouldn't have any problems mentioning certain magazines in casual
conversation. How could you have missed this? He paged through every
month until November!
Erik Berg
Claudette Roulo <ro...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Kris Eiben wrote:
>
>> In article <19677JOIL...@microcity.com> log...@microcity.com writes:
>>
>> > Porn?? You call that porn?? It was a girl on a bikini on a boat or
>> >something...
>>
>> Actually, the girls were all posing with oversized carpentry tools...
>>
>putting it up in a government office means he's probably pretty secure
>about his interest in scantily clad women. Which means he probably
>wouldn't have any problems mentioning certain magazines in casual
>conversation. How could you have missed this? He paged through every
>month until November!
>
When I saw it I started laughing immediately. I thought it was a just a
throw away visual pun on the Rigid Tool calendar (no, I am *not* making
this up). The Rigid Tool company makes tools for plumbing and pipfitting
and publishes a calendar of fabulous babes in bikinis holding their large,
metal products. One of the women is crowned "Miss Rigid Tool" for the year
and they show her in a bikini again, wearing a sash and tiara and holding a
pipe reamer or something. These calendars used to be *very* hard to get
hold of, you had to buy a lot of their tools to get a sales rep to give you
one. Don't know if they still put them out...
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log...@microcity.com
I saw Miss Rigid Tool on David Letterman once..at least the MRT for
that year. It gave more credibility to all those blonde jokes you hear.
I hadn't seen anything that dumb since Bo Derek couldn't identify her
own high school graduation year book.
Logan
log...@microcity.com
IK>In article <19677JOIL...@microcity.com> log...@microcity.com writes:
IK>> Porn?? You call that porn?? It was a girl on a bikini on a boat or
IK>>something...
IK>Actually, the girls were all posing with oversized carpentry tools...
IK>I didn't notice this until the 2nd time through...when I did, I was literall
IK>ROTFL!
IK>Kris
I wonder if there is a reason he chose a calendar with the girls
posing with carpentry tools? I mean...serial killers have a thing for
them, dont they??
Wait...wait...I am over analysing...
Strange Brew
>No, actually it's far from porn, but the fact that he has no qualms about
>putting it up in a government office means he's probably pretty secure
>about his interest in scantily clad women. Which means he probably
>wouldn't have any problems mentioning certain magazines in casual
>conversation. How could you have missed this? He paged through every
>month until November!
Watching tonight's episode (where Mulder meets the Cancer man (don't know the title))
I would say Mulder was watching a porno flick at the opening of the show. He rewinds
(or fast-forwards) the tape he is watching twice, and there are definate sounds of
moaning and kissing, and a woman's voice says "We should stop."
I would say that means he has an interest in scantily clad women...I had to watch the
scene a couple of times to be sure, because it suprised me a bit...I wouldn't have
thought a TV show would have a main character that had an interest in pornography.
Ah, character development...
Strange Brew (still don't have a .sig file...)
Richard Lam
} constitutes an "interest in porn" - that would make Borders and B. Daltons
} porn dealers. IMHO, it's trying to reveal a more vulgar and perhaps
} chauvanistic aspect to Mulder's personality, and distance him somewhat
} from the whole "P-C" mindset. Or maybe it's a stab at depicting what life
} inside the testosterone-laden FBI is actually like...
Hi. My impression was that they wanted us to know how utterly lonely Mulder was.
Until that Vampire episode last week, I've never seen Mulder in a truly intimate
situation.
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<de...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>...[snip]...
>
>The calendar aside, there have been many hints that Mulder's
>reading/viewing habits crossover into pornography. It's in
>one of the FAQs.
>
>Off the top of my head:
>
>Once Scully sees Mulder intently reading something and comments,
>"I haven't seen you that engrossed in something since I caught you
>reading the Adult Video News." (badly paraphrased for you purists out
>there)
>
>At the beginning of an episode, Mulder is seen looking at a fold-out
>centerfold. He tells Scully that the woman in the picture claims to
>have been abducted by aliens. Scully makes a droll remark about how
>the zero-gravity has affected her.
>
>Mulder tells the Lone Gunmen that he hasn't read their latest issue
>b/c it arrived the same day as his Celebrity Skin.
>
>...[snip]...
>
[Flamer's note: for reference this is targeted at the entire population
of people who took the above quotations seriously]
You know, here on this planet we have this thing called sarcasm. Now
I'm not trying to flame anybody on this (at least not too badly), but
come on people...I think that I've said a few of those lines (or close
cousins) and I've never even heard of _Celebrity Skin_ until now. I
suppose that you all think he was serious when he spoke of the eating
habits of the inhabitants of Zeta Reticuli? (Liver and onions, I think
it was.) There was a level of implied sarcasm in all of the scenes
referenced above. Don't be so literal!
Sheeeeesh...
M.
eng...@rosie.uh.edu
the female torso sculpture in his apartment) is an inside gag re: his work
in RSD, Kalifornia, The Rapture, etc. That's just my opinion. I may be
wrong. (Of course I did find out the difference between a table dance and
a lap dance on the XF). :} cyber-sel.
Jonathan Dennis
>
> This is all, of course, assuming that the calendar was Mulder's. Maybe
> Scully is a snap-on tools fan :)
>
> } I don't know if I'd say that possessing a bathing suit calendar
> } constitutes an "interest in porn" - that would make Borders and B. Daltons
> } porn dealers. IMHO, it's trying to reveal a more vulgar and perhaps
> } chauvanistic aspect to Mulder's personality, and distance him somewhat
> } from the whole "P-C" mindset. Or maybe it's a stab at depicting what life
> } inside the testosterone-laden FBI is actually like...
First of all, please note that I am responding under my husband's
login--this is Mrs. Dennis. The increased emphasis on Mulder's use of
pornography is, IMO, making the character less appealing. Earlier in
the series, the occasional (sp?) reference was ok--evidence of a
healthy, red-blooded libido, kinda cute and naughty. However,
combined with the sleazy treatment of the character in -3-, Mulder is coming
dangerously close to becoming a pitiful, juvenile, two-dimensional
testosterone-poisoning victim, obsessed with synthetic rpresentations
of women he can never have. I know the type--I've dated one or two.
I think many members of the DDEB will agree with me--Mulder's appeal
in the first place was his depth, cynical humor, and some
vulnerability. In other words, he was a NICE GUY. There are women
who like NGs. I, for instance, am blissfully wedded to one. As for
Mulder's being a member of the testosterone-laden FBI--isn't the point
of the character that he's DIFFERENT? And maybe Better? Sorry about
the use of all-caps. I think in all-caps sometimes.
Jason Friesen
Well, the 11/11 episode (One Breath) had another sign that Mulder is
into porn. The first scene has him lying on his couch rewinding a
scene over and over which includes a) heavy breathing b) moaning and
c) cheesy music. It sounds like a blue flick to me. Did anybody else
pick up on that just because it had been previously mentioned here?
Jason
jfr...@uswnvg.com
amy peters
Mrs. Dennis said:
> The increased emphasis on Mulder's use of pornography is, IMO, making the character less appealing. Earlier in the series, the occasional (sp?) reference was ok--evidence of a healthy, red-blooded libido, kinda cute and naughty. However, combined
with the sleazy treatment of the character in -3-, Mulder is coming
dangerously close to becoming a pitiful, juvenile, two-dimensional
testosterone-poisoning victim, obsessed with synthetic rpresentations
of women he can never have.
****
My $.02, FWIW --
Okay, I've gotta jump on the bandwagon on this one. Occasional
indulgence in erotica/porn does not a knuckle-dragger make.
Take a look at the progression of Mulder's interest:
Season 1: Scully makes a crack about Adult Video News. In another ep,
he's reading some sort of porn mag.
Season 2: in 'Blood', Mulder makes a comment about reading Celebrity
Skin.
-- So far, pretty harmless, right?
Then we hit '3', where Mulder shows some vulnerability and sleeps with
a sexy almost-stranger. Although I do have some problems with the
character's motivation, I still don't see the "sleaze" factor here.
Now we're at 'One Breath', where Mulder is still totally strung out.
He's sent up the BatSignal, and is waiting (in vain) for the cavalry to
arrive in the form of help from Mr. X. While he's waiting, he pops in
a tape.
Can't say that I have any problems with this -- Mulder's a single,
depressed guy watching a porn video. It would have been appalling if
he had (1) been in a sleazy XXX movie house or (2) been . . . you know
. . . *getting into* the video, but he wasn't even really watching it
-- more looking at it, if you know what I mean. It seemed to me to be
more along the lines of channel surfing late at night when something's
bothering you that you don't want to think about.
> I think many members of the DDEB will agree with me--Mulder's appeal
> in the first place was his depth, cynical humor, and some
> vulnerability. In other words, he was a NICE GUY.
Oh, absolutely. He still is a nice guy, he's just an even-more-complex
nice guy. In the words of Jake (Mulder's character in "Red Shoe
Diaries"), "Your shadows are what make you beautiful."
"Mrs. Peters"
Amy Peters "I used to be snow white, but I drifted."
ae...@psu.edu -- Mae West
** Duchovnik **
amy peters
Sorry 'bout that. Original comments were from Cort & somebody whose
name I, unfortunately, deleted. My apologies!
Craig Wagner
JD> First of all, please note that I am responding under my husband's
JD> login--this is Mrs. Dennis. The increased emphasis on Mulder's use of
JD> pornography is, IMO, making the character less appealing. Earlier in
JD> the series, the occasional (sp?) reference was ok--evidence of a
JD> healthy, red-blooded libido, kinda cute and naughty. However,
JD> combined with the sleazy treatment of the character in -3-, Mulder is
JD> coming dangerously close to becoming a pitiful, juvenile,
JD> two-dimensional testosterone-poisoning victim, obsessed with synthetic
JD> rpresentations of women he can never have. I know the type--I've
JD> dated one or two. I think many members of the DDEB will agree with
JD> me--Mulder's appeal in the first place was his depth, cynical humor,
JD> and some vulnerability. In other words, he was a NICE GUY. There are
JD> women who like NGs. I, for instance, am blissfully wedded to one. As
JD> for Mulder's being a member of the testosterone-laden FBI--isn't the
JD> point of the character that he's DIFFERENT? And maybe Better?...
That seems rather judgmental. So long as he never behaves inappropriately
towards anyone, he's STILL a Nice Guy, privately indulging in his "healthy,
red-blooded libido."
Linda Mui
|> In article <eric-09119...@eric.std.comsat.com>,
|> Eric C. Kohls <er...@sadlab.trans.comsat.com> wrote:
|>
|> [ Calendar in 3 does not = porn ]
|>
|> The calendar aside, there have been many hints that Mulder's
|> reading/viewing habits crossover into pornography. It's in
|> one of the FAQs.
|>
|> Off the top of my head:
|>
|> Once Scully sees Mulder intently reading something and comments,
|> "I haven't seen you that engrossed in something since I caught you
|> reading the Adult Video News." (badly paraphrased for you purists out
|> there)
|>
|> At the beginning of an episode, Mulder is seen looking at a fold-out
|> centerfold. He tells Scully that the woman in the picture claims to
|> have been abducted by aliens. Scully makes a droll remark about how
|> the zero-gravity has affected her.
|>
|> Mulder tells the Lone Gunmen that he hasn't read their latest issue
|> b/c it arrived the same day as his Celebrity Skin.
|>
|> There were probably other instances, but I think those are the
|> highpoints. At any rate, the calendar is not the sole evidence that
|> Mulder has an interest in pornography.
Near the very beginning of the latest (11/11) episode, Mulder's
lying on his sofa intently watching a video when he gets the
phone call about Scully having been found. We don't get to
actually see the video, but from the sound of it, it wasn't Disney.
Actually, I think it's admirable for the writers to persist in
portraying their hero as a borderline pervert. (Yeah, I know
pornography != pervert, yadda yadda yadda.) It's funny, it's
sad, it adds an extra dark dimension to his character, and it
establishes without a doubt that Scully wouldn't touch him with
a ten foot pole (at least, I don't think she would - doesn't
seem like her kind of thing).
(Sorry, DDEB.)
--
Linda Mui
Former lurker, newborn nitpicker.
Geoff Kroll
: In article <Pine.Sola.3.91.94111...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>, Claudette Roulo <ro...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> says:
: >No, actually it's far from porn, but the fact that he has no qualms about
: >putting it up in a government office means he's probably pretty secure
: >about his interest in scantily clad women. Which means he probably
: I would say Mulder was watching a porno flick at the opening of the show.
: He rewinds (or fast-forwards) the tape he is watching twice, and there
: are definate sounds of moaning and kissing, and a woman's voice says "We
: should stop."
Maybe it was Gennifer talking to our President man.....
: I would say that means he has an interest in scantily clad women...I had to
: watch the scene a couple of times to be sure, because it suprised me a
: bit...I wouldn't have thought a TV show would have a main character
: that had an interest in pornography.
: Ah, character development...
Well, it is after all FOX, and they do have shows that ARE pornography,
"Melrose Place, "90210", "Models INC" ;)
Also, check out the width you are using on your SLIP account....it comes
across in ascii about 10 characters too wide....
Geoff
--
"No one...No government agency has
jurisdiction over the truth!"
PERRY FISHER
I am damn sick and tired of women throwing up their hands and going " yuch
he likes porn he must be a bad guy sick in the head etc."
Time and time again it has been shown that men respond to visual imagery
while women respond to overall situations and scenarios. Am I supposed to
jump up and down and scream pervert every time I see a woman with a trashy
"romantic novel"? Some of them are more graphic then regular porn.
Yes Mulder is an obsessive person at least about the X-Files. I am glad he
can show some interest in sex instead of totally submerging it into his
work. It keeps him closer to reality rather than farther away.
And how is it sleazy treatment of Kirsten in 3? There was an obvious sexual
attraction between the two right from the start but Mulder did nothing to
act upon it until he realized she was not part of the trinity but another
unwilling victim. It was certainly consentual on both sides. From the tone
of your post I would think you would be glad to see him finding comfort in
her arms rather than back in the basement at the F.B.I. reviewing Deep
Throat
(the movie).
My interest in seeing attractive women takes absolutely nothing away from my
passion for my wife, the sexiest woman in the world. And I refuse to bow to
the politically correct on this issue.
perry e-mail:perry...@delphi.com
"Diane, last night I dreamed I was eating a large, tasteless
gumdrop, and awoke to discover I was chewing on one of my
foam disposable earplugs. Perhaps I should consider
moderating my nighttime coffee consumption"
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.
BE SEEING YOU.
Pamela Thompson
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==============================
My take on this:
Yes, this is a double-edged sword. He's a man like any other, with basic
needs and desires, but when we see him apparently finding an outlet in
keeping with his celibate life we get rather uncomfortable. Consider
these points in his defense:
-- Some of the porn references can't necessarily be taken as serious.
Scully's comments about his interest level not being that high since he
was reading the Adult Video News may simply be a jibe. And his statement
to the Lone Gunmen about Celebrity Skin sure sounds like a classic
Mulderism to me. I wrote those off as jokes, more or less. They most
likely refer to a prediliction, shall we say, but I don't take them
seriously.
-- The magazine with Miss Zero Gravity -- her alleged abduction was a nice
excuse to buy the magazine, but remember that he got the lead in "Conduit"
via a tabloid rag. He probably reads absolutely anything that mentions
abductions, UFOs, etc., and he doesn't necessarily judge a publication by
its cover (or centerfold). And besides, Mulder is nothing if not thorough
in his research. :)
-- The video. I rewatched the scene last night but didn't notice that he
was fast-forwarding through it instead of rewinding to rewatch a
particular scene. Consider his situation: Scully is gone, and while he
doesn't want to give up hope, she's probably dead; with Kristen he's just
had his first romantic/sexual encounter in who knows how long, but now
she's dead. I figure he was trying to recapture some of the feelings
he had with Kristen with that movie, along with the mindless distraction
business others have mentioned. The man's not dead inside, altho he may
suspect it at moments like that.
Mindy
==============================
Leslie
Claudette Roulo <ro...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> says:
>
>>No, actually it's far from porn, but the fact that he has no qualms about
>>putting it up in a government office means he's probably pretty secure
>>about his interest in scantily clad women. Which means he probably
>>wouldn't have any problems mentioning certain magazines in casual
>>conversation. How could you have missed this? He paged through every
>>month until November!
I wondered if it was another subtle in-joke. You know--watching Mulder
watch hot love scenes is the closest we're going to get to seeing *him*
in a hot love scene. They faded to black right after the clinch on him
and the vampire, don't forget. Also a joke a la: no hot love scenes
between Mulder and Scully here, folks, only on Mulder's TV...:)
Or, maybe, if they do know about the Speedos threads...hehe...that calendar
is Mulder's response...:)
And I'm new here--did you guys decide who the heck it was who left that
message on his answering machine that said 'you're after me and after me
for a date and then you stand me up!'?
Leslie "I have a degree in TV production" W.
Official alt.config Lurker
"Here, Lewis, have an aspirin."
Canter, Siegel, Green Card!
Young Cyn
peters) writes:
>He still is a nice guy, he's just an even-more-complex nice guy.
I agree 100%. He's always been a slightly ambiguous character with an
edge. He seems to have no interest whatsoever in women (most of the time),
yet he's surfing through a heavy-breather video and flpping through a
girlie calendar. It just adds to his mystery. Makes you wonder what's
going on in there.
C.Young
jer...@cc.usu.edu
never see Mulder get so "emotionaly involved" with a character like that. If
there was any question about his interest in women, it was sure answered in
that episode. I guess the writers had to have Mulder do something while
Scully had "Maternity leave". The question is now: will Scully find out about
Mulder's "activities" while she was away?
Kris Eiben
> Porn?? You call that porn?? It was a girl on a bikini on a boat or
>something...
Actually, the girls were all posing with oversized carpentry tools...
I didn't notice this until the 2nd time through...when I did, I was literally
ROTFL!
Kris
Black Unicorn
: In article <3a87dj$n...@hearst.cac.psu.edu>, ae...@hearst.cac.psu.edu (amy
: peters) writes:
I think the intent is that he is so obsessed with his work that he spurns
all relationships. I don't know how this pans out with the vampire
episode, especially since we haven't estlablished if he slept with vamp
girl.
In any event, I think that the resort to "substitutes" is the way for his
character to resolve human need and still not interfere with work, while
remaining the "nice guy," and not dumping on (e.g.) Sculley. Completely
consistant with the sister abduction. Simply "too devoted to be distracted."
I watch this show too much. (sigh)
: C.Young
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Pete T. Manolakos
: First of all, please note that I am responding under my husband's
: login--this is Mrs. Dennis. The increased emphasis on Mulder's use of
: pornography is, IMO, making the character less appealing. Earlier in
: the series, the occasional (sp?) reference was ok--evidence of a
: healthy, red-blooded libido, kinda cute and naughty. However,
: combined with the sleazy treatment of the character in -3-, Mulder is coming
: dangerously close to becoming a pitiful, juvenile, two-dimensional
: testosterone-poisoning victim, obsessed with synthetic rpresentations
: of women he can never have. I know the type--I've dated one or two.
Excuse me, but Mulder *DID* have a women who, IMHO, is as good, or
better, than many porn stars I have ever seen. The vampire was beautiful,
and had a nice body (I'm not being a chauvanist, why is it men can't
comment on women's bodies anymore without being slapped with a sexual
harrasment suit; women do it all the time, nothing happens to them. What
irony). Also, I know many couples that enjoy some porn in their sex
lives, its perfectly acceptable, again IMHO.
: I think many members of the DDEB will agree with me--Mulder's appeal
: in the first place was his depth, cynical humor, and some
Members of the DDEB enjoy David Duchony's (sp?) appeal, not Mulders, he
has nothing to do with it (David Duchony Estostorone Brigade, not Fox
Mulder Estosotorone Brigade). By saying this, are you stating that DD no
longer appeals to you because the character he plays has an interest in porn?
: vulnerability. In other words, he was a NICE GUY. There are women
: who like NGs. I, for instance, am blissfully wedded to one. As for
: Mulder's being a member of the testosterone-laden FBI--isn't the point
: of the character that he's DIFFERENT? And maybe Better? Sorry about
: the use of all-caps. I think in all-caps sometimes.
Please, don't take this post as a flame, you could tell if it was a flame
;-) I'm just nitpicking.