Cancer Man is NOT Mulders father, but SAMANTHA's!
hp...@vms.cis.pitt.edu
In article <59b608$c...@ns2.spectra.net>, da...@spectra.net (Jim Davis) writes:
> Cancer Man can't be the father to Fox, because in "Musings of the
> Cigarette Smoking Man", young Bill Mulder showed young Cancer Man a
> picture of his first born saying that the child's first words were
> JFK. It hardly seems like Cancer Man had a chance to be intimate with
> Bill Mulders wife while in the Army alongside Billy. However, it is
> likely that Cancer Man could be the father to Samantha. What do you
> think?
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
I agree. In one episode last season (forget which one) Fox's mother
stated that she "had to choose" and that she "chose Samantha" [supposedly
as the one to be abducted]. If Cancer Man is indeed Samantha's father,
and taking into consideration the angry exchanges between Cancer Man and
Fox's mother, it is likely that (if a choice HAD to be made) that she would
choose Samantha over Fox to be abducted.
Heather
slim
On 19 Dec 1996, DSchmouth wrote:
> Wrong!
>
> Mulder's mother said that his father made the choice "i hated him for that
> to his
> tomb" is what she said.
> I saw that one yesterday..slow evening.
so doesn't it make sense that FM's father would choose Samantha... after
all, it isn't his kid, that is, IF Samantha wasn't his child AND he knew
about it...
kim
Lisa DaFoe
Mac Nooge wrote:
>
> People, people!
> This thread is getting ug-leee.
> How about this for an appropriately mysterious compromise?
>
> 1.CSM and Ma Mulder were....involved.
> 2. Pa Mulder did not know.
> 3. Ma Mulder became pregnant but was unsure as to parentage of said
> child.
> 4. CSM belives child is his
> 5. Pa Mulder beleived both kids to be his
> 6. Ma Mulder (this is beginning to sound like the Waltons) was never
> sure; that's why she could not "choose" child.
>
> Of course, this leaves the timing of Ma/CSM affair open. Was it a
> one-night stand? AN on-going thing? Or do I just have an evil mind and Ma
> and CSM shared nothing other than happy evenings watersiing and watching
> Star Trek?
>
> This still doesn't solve the Fox/Samantha thing, I realize. But perhaps
> it will allow us all to *just get along*
>
> -Beagle (who thinks neutering would solve so many of these plotlines!)
>
> Paradise79 wrote:
> >
> > Mrs. Mulder never chose Samantha. Bill asked her to choose and she
> > refused. He was the one who chose Samantha and Mrs. Mulder divorced him
> > shortly after. As for Samantha being Cancer man's daughter, I thought so
> > too, at first, but in Musings of the Cigarette Smoking Man, Cancer Man
> > said he was spending Christmas w/family. Shortly after, he stopped at
> > Mulder's office and stood outside. I think this proves that Mulder is
> > his, not Samantha. That's what makes it so ironic that Bill Mulder picked
> > Samantha to be abducted when she was his only blood child. Mulder isn't
> > really his.
But Fox's name was on the folder first and Samantha's name was put over
top of it. Bill Mulder obviously chose Fox to be the one taken. I agree
with Beagle. CM thinks Mulder is his son. Mom Mulder may not be sure who
his father is. CM knew that Bill chose Fox for whatever reason (I think
Bill Mulder believed Fox to be his son). He wasn't about to allow Fox,
who he believes to be his, to be taken so he decided that Samantha would
be the one to go.
That's my theory anyway.
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David Elkin
JoAnn Montalbano wrote:
>
> Jim Davis wrote, in part:
> >> However, it is likely that Cancer Man could be the father to Samantha. What do you
> >> think?
>
> >I agree. In one episode last season (forget which one) Fox's mother
> >stated that she "had to choose" and that she "chose Samantha" [supposedly
> >as the one to be abducted].
>
> Dad ever asked her to make a choice. After some hemming and hawing,
> she tells him, "I couldn't choose. HE chose. And I've hated him for it
> ever since. Even now, in his grave, I hate him still."
>
> A very, very powerful scene for Mom Mulder. You've just remembered it
> wrong. However, the fact that Dad Mulder chose Samantha is one of
> the things that leads me to believe CSM MIGHT be Samantha's father.
> However AGAIN, why then is CSM carrying around a photo of baby Mulder
> and his mom? He also got the Bounty Hunter to heal Mom Mulder. This
> seems like serious torch-carrying to me. But I think it will be a long
> time before CC lets us resolve this little conundrum....
>
> JoAnn
I agree that CC will take a while to give us the answer. Yet, there is
no other reason that makes sense if CM is not Fox's father. If he can
kill Kennedy and King, cheat the Bills out of the super bowl, he sure
could eliminate Fox Maulder at any time. It is obvious that the secret
cabal do not like Maulder and his investigations. The only thing I can
think of when CM acted "out of character" was when he ordered fire
bombing of that boxcar when he believed that Maulder was in it. IF CM is
not his father, why does he not just eliminate him(other then it
destroys show for FOX network)?
Mac Nooge
> Paradise
>
Jim Davis
Cancer Man can't be the father to Fox, because in "Musings of the
Cigarette Smoking Man", young Bill Mulder showed young Cancer Man a
picture of his first born saying that the child's first words were
JFK. It hardly seems like Cancer Man had a chance to be intimate with
likely that Cancer Man could be the father to Samantha. What do you
think?
Cheers,
Jim
DSchmouth
Wrong!
Mulder's mother said that his father made the choice "i hated him for that
to his
tomb" is what she said.
I saw that one yesterday..slow evening.
Danielle
Paradise79
Mrs. Mulder never chose Samantha. Bill asked her to choose and she
refused. He was the one who chose Samantha and Mrs. Mulder divorced him
shortly after. As for Samantha being Cancer man's daughter, I thought so
too, at first, but in Musings of the Cigarette Smoking Man, Cancer Man
said he was spending Christmas w/family. Shortly after, he stopped at
Mulder's office and stood outside. I think this proves that Mulder is
his, not Samantha. That's what makes it so ironic that Bill Mulder picked
Samantha to be abducted when she was his only blood child. Mulder isn't
really his.
Paradise
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Fyodor Karamazov
slim wrote:
>
> On 19 Dec 1996, DSchmouth wrote:
> all, it isn't his kid, that is, IF Samantha wasn't his child AND he knew
> about it...
> kim
NONE of it makes sense. NONE of this proves that the CSM is ANYBODY's
father. All this stuff could very easily have happened if Bill & Mom
Mulder were both Fox and Sam's parents. I say, leave all that "I am
your father" shit to THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.
Fyodor
Only 6 days until Christmas!!
df
JoAnn Montalbano
Jim Davis wrote, in part:
>> think?
And Heather wrote, in part:
Jan Morier
Mac Nooge <rmnu...@is2.dal.ca> wrote:
>People, people!
>This thread is getting ug-leee.
>How about this for an appropriately mysterious compromise?
>
>1.CSM and Ma Mulder were....involved.
>2. Pa Mulder did not know.
>3. Ma Mulder became pregnant but was unsure as to parentage of said
>child.
>4. CSM belives child is his
>5. Pa Mulder beleived both kids to be his
>6. Ma Mulder (this is beginning to sound like the Waltons) was never
>sure; that's why she could not "choose" child.
(snippage)
>-Beagle (who thinks neutering would solve so many of these plotlines!)
Uh, Beagle, sweetie? Do you think you could re-phrase this?
I don't want to get too angry if this was just an incorrect
turn of phrase. My point is, that asking a mother to choose
between two of her children - regardless of who the father
was -- HELL, even asking any woman or man to sacrifice one
child - regardless of whether s/he was their offspring or not,
*should* evoke unbelievable pain. This _Sophie's Choice_ has
got to be one of the most horrendous things that one human
being can do to another!
I'm sure you didn't mean that Mrs. Mulder would have even
considered chosing one child over another because she *suspected*
a different father for each? Those beautiful babies were a part
of her, you can't choose one over the other.
That very idea makes me weep.
Okay, I'm calm now, and will resume my usual goofy persona.
Respectfully,
RightBrain
Village Idiot
Aaron France
Jim Davis (da...@spectra.net) wrote:
: Cancer Man can't be the father to Fox, because in "Musings of the
: Cigarette Smoking Man", young Bill Mulder showed young Cancer Man a
: picture of his first born saying that the child's first words were
: JFK. It hardly seems like Cancer Man had a chance to be intimate with
: likely that Cancer Man could be the father to Samantha. What do you
: think?
I don't agree at all... Did you see Cancer Mans reaction when Bill
Mulder showed him the picture? And in Anasazi when Mulder and Scully
were looking through those medical records, Samantha's name was glued
over Mulders; Everyone seems to think that this was the writers
hinting at the fact that it was Mulder who was suppose to have been
abducted, but think about it this way... Cancer Man might have decided
that Samantha would have been a better abductee than Fox, so he put her
name were his was suppose to be, or something.
On top of that, you can't deny the fact that Cancer Man has the motives
to kill Mulder, he's even been ordered to kill him by WMM, he has had
many chances to get rid of Mulder... So why hasn't he?
Aaron
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M. R. Power
parad...@aol.com (Paradise79) wrote:
> shortly after. As for Samantha being Cancer man's daughter, I thought so
> too, at first, but in Musings of the Cigarette Smoking Man, Cancer Man
> said he was spending Christmas w/family. Shortly after, he stopped at
> Mulder's office and stood outside. I think this proves that Mulder is
I dunno - I don't think we can take "Musings" as proof of anything,
personally. That could just have been a red herring, something designed
to screw with our brains and leave us twisting in the wind as CC so
delights in doing.
Blackbird
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Mac Nooge
>
> Mac Nooge <rmnu...@is2.dal.ca> wrote:
> >> >How about this for an appropriately mysterious compromise?
> >
> >1.CSM and Ma Mulder were....involved.
> >2. Pa Mulder did not know.
> >3. Ma Mulder became pregnant but was unsure as to parentage of said
> >child.
> >4. CSM belives child is his
> >5. Pa Mulder beleived both kids to be his
> >6. Ma Mulder (this is beginning to sound like the Waltons) was never
> >sure; that's why she could not "choose" child.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> (snippage)
> >-Beagle (who thinks neutering would solve so many of these plotlines!)
> _____________________________
>Jan Morier: Uh, Beagle, sweetie? Do you think you could re-phrase this?
> I don't want to get too angry if this was just an incorrect
> turn of phrase. My point is, that asking a mother to choose
> between two of her children - regardless of who the father
> was -- HELL, even asking any woman or man to sacrifice one
> child - regardless of whether s/he was their offspring or not,
> *should* evoke unbelievable pain. This _Sophie's Choice_ has
> got to be one of the most horrendous things that one human
> being can do to another!
> I'm sure you didn't mean that Mrs. Mulder would have even
> considered chosing one child over another because she *suspected*
> a different father for each? Those beautiful babies were a part
> of her, you can't choose one over the other.
> That very idea makes me weep.
>
> Okay, I'm calm now, and will resume my usual goofy persona.
> Respectfully,
> RightBrain
> Village Idiot
Hmmm...ok. Point taken. Please forgive the seeming callousness.
(Dogs have to give away their puppies ALL the time!)
But, RB, doesn't it seem to you that the Mulders' home life, and perhaps,
their emoional linkaged, don't exactly qualify as normal? Rifts abound.
One might well ask why Ma Mulder didn't take the kids and runnnn when Pa
came home and said: "One of them has to go, dear. What do you think? The
XX chromosome or the XY?"
And, people *have* been known to play favourites among their
litter-excuse me, children- based on such things as parentage, or gender,
or birth order. (If they didn't, an awful lot of mythology, folklore, and
fine literature would be completely inexplicable!) It's really
horrifying, but it happens. Why do we assume Ma Mulder, or even Pa
Mulder, is above such things? Why did he prefer Fox, anyway?
(For that matter, why didn't Pa Mulder attempt to runnnn when his boss
said at the water cooler,"Oh, by the way, Bill, you wouldn't mind
sacrificing a child to the project, would you?" I know, I know, he
figured he'd get caught.)
All I am suggesting is that if there were any doubts as to the parentage
of either Fox or Samantha, it might indeed have affected this Sophie's
Choice_ situation. I appreciate you asking for the clarification; perhpas
I was making things too stark. The situation was surely agonizing and
difficult (and might be made even more so by the guilty realization that
"I do prefer one child over the other!").
So---let me rephrase by agreeing that it IS an awful situation. I think
we are supposed to think it was made evn more awful by the Very Big
Secret that one child -might- have been CSM's. Ma's feelings about both
CSM and Pa could have complicated the agony for her. Yes, I guess I do
think _some_ people might be affected by the knowledge that one child
could be the offspring of a very evil man. Not most people, hopefully,
and even those affected might not _act_ on such dreadful thoughts.
Perhaps some of Ma's silence comes from guilt for even letting it cross
her mind?
Oh dear. I don't think I'm going to have made you much happier, so I'll
just slink away before I get kicked *hard*.
Beagle
(hoping that the Village Idiot will forgive fuzzy expressions, fuzzy
logic, and a big ol'fuzzy face!!<wag wag>)
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Aaron France
hp...@vms.cis.pitt.edu wrote:
: In article <59b608$c...@ns2.spectra.net>, da...@spectra.net (Jim Davis) writes:
: I agree. In one episode last season (forget which one) Fox's mother
: stated that she "had to choose" and that she "chose Samantha" [supposedly
: as the one to be abducted]. If Cancer Man is indeed Samantha's father,
: and taking into consideration the angry exchanges between Cancer Man and
: Fox's mother, it is likely that (if a choice HAD to be made) that she would
: choose Samantha over Fox to be abducted.
I believe that Mulder's mom was actually referring to Bill Mulder having
to choose between his research and her... Although I am not entirely
sure, I'll check my "official guide to the third season" tonight. We
also find out in or in The Blessing Way or in Paper Clip that (according
to WMM) Samantha was taken from Bill Mulder as insurance to keep him
from betraying the project...
Jan Morier
Mac Nooge <rmnu...@is2.dal.ca> responded:
>
>Hmmm...ok. Point taken. Please forgive the seeming callousness.
>(Dogs have to give away their puppies ALL the time!)
You are so right, and too cute for words. I didnae think you meant to say
what you said. I've never known an unkind Beagle.
>But, RB, doesn't it seem to you that the Mulders' home life, and perhaps,
>their emoional linkaged, don't exactly qualify as normal? Rifts abound.
Amen, hardly the happy home. I have a hard time understanding these
things, as I have such a lovely set of parents. Only one dysfunctional
one in a litter of six.
>One might well ask why Ma Mulder didn't take the kids and runnnn when Pa
>came home and said: "One of them has to go, dear. What do you think? The
>XX chromosome or the XY?"
That terrifies me, in addition to your wise wonder at why Bill M. didn't
runnnnn. All I hafta say is the best explanation I've seen for it can be
found in the fanfic "Seasons" by Vasaris (an incomplete work, but oh so
brilliant.)
snippage
>
>All I am suggesting is that if there were any doubts as to the parentage
>of either Fox or Samantha, it might indeed have affected this Sophie's
>Choice_ situation. I appreciate you asking for the clarification; perhpas
>I was making things too stark. The situation was surely agonizing and
>difficult (and might be made even more so by the guilty realization that
>"I do prefer one child over the other!").
s'okay, yes it was stark, but after watching Millennium tonight,
it seems *tame* (now THERE was a mother with no heart!)
>So---let me rephrase by agreeing that it IS an awful situation. I think
>we are supposed to think it was made evn more awful by the Very Big
>Secret that one child -might- have been CSM's. Ma's feelings about both
>CSM and Pa could have complicated the agony for her. Yes, I guess I do
>think _some_ people might be affected by the knowledge that one child
>could be the offspring of a very evil man. Not most people, hopefully,
>and even those affected might not _act_ on such dreadful thoughts.
>Perhaps some of Ma's silence comes from guilt for even letting it cross
>her mind?
Thank you kindly, Beagle, I didn't think you meant to write it as flippant
to a real life situation. I know some mothers and/or fathers do horrible
things to children, I'm not stupid (just a village idiot). sigh. I guess
I just don't want it to happen. I know I'd shoot first and ask questions
later if someone tried to harm my son... Stopping now.
>Oh dear. I don't think I'm going to have made you much happier, so I'll
>just slink away before I get kicked *hard*.
Yes, you have made me much happier, kick *you*? Never! I'm a cat person
but I could be persuaded to adopt a puppy on my rounds of X-Ville.
Words from the Monastery
In article <59b608$c...@ns2.spectra.net>, da...@spectra.net says...
>Cancer Man can't be the father to Fox, because in "Musings of the
>Cigarette Smoking Man", young Bill Mulder showed young Cancer Man a
>picture of his first born saying that the child's first words were
>JFK. It hardly seems like Cancer Man had a chance to be intimate with
>Bill Mulders wife while in the Army alongside Billy. However, it is
>likely that Cancer Man could be the father to Samantha. What do you
>think?
Naw ... CSM found out that Mulder was his and that's why Samantha was switched
in the program ... only CSM has that much power ... Bill Mulder knew too that's
why he was always cold towards Fox ... let's see Captain Mulder has the Duty
... that night old CSM has a pass to town and takes advantage of the time to
slip old Ma Mulder the Ruskie Salami ... and 9 mos later out squirted Fox ...
see in Musings of CSM ... the scenes with Bill and CSM with the photo of the
Mom and son are actually memories of CSM ... not the mad musings of Frohike ...
or else you would have heard Fox or Scully exclaim ... "Are you saying that my
father was friends with CSM?" ...
missy
Jim Davis wrote:
>
> Cancer Man can't be the father to Fox, because in "Musings of the
> Cigarette Smoking Man", young Bill Mulder showed young Cancer Man a
> picture of his first born saying that the child's first words were
> JFK. It hardly seems like Cancer Man had a chance to be intimate with
> Bill Mulders wife while in the Army alongside Billy. However, it is
> likely that Cancer Man could be the father to Samantha. What do you
> think?
>
> Jim
Don't worry Jim, I belive you. I think you and I are in the minority,
unfortunatly. I've spent hours both on and off newsgroups trying to
explain how it wouldn't work if CM is Fox's dad blah blah blah, but
no-one listens. We can only win the war if we choose the right
battles, and this is a battle we just can't win. I don't think I'll
believe it even if Carter announces it in the 7:30 news, for Gods
sake... But then again, the forth season hasn't started here in
Australia and there have been a lot of revelations since the season
prem. so I'm a bit behind. But never the less, THE TRUTH WILL
PREVALE!!! even if it means assigning a hit man to CC.
Keep the truth at hand, the lies at bay and the salad sandwich in the
fridge.....
Missy-- propiter of Dark Obsessions in Matherson Ave. X-Ville.
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CSM has to be Maulder's father, not Samantha's because a. CSM would not
have allowed Sammy to be abducted and b. CSM has kept Maulder alive when
in any other sceniaro it would have been more advantageous to remove
Maulder.
Dave Elkin
New Mexico
The Golden Buffalo
Michael Marek
On 19 Dec 1996 hp...@vms.cis.pitt.edu wrote:
> I agree. In one episode last season (forget which one) Fox's mother
> stated that she "had to choose" and that she "chose Samantha" [supposedly
> as the one to be abducted]. If Cancer Man is indeed Samantha's father,
> and taking into consideration the angry exchanges between Cancer Man and
> Fox's mother, it is likely that (if a choice HAD to be made) that she would
> choose Samantha over Fox to be abducted.
That is *not* what Mrs. Mulder said. Fox asked her if Bill Mulder ever
asked her to make a choice. She said she could not, that Bill decided,
and she hated him for it.
On the file folder in the West Virginia mine, we saw that a lable with
Samantha's name was pasted over one with Fox's name.
Does this mean that Bill chose Fox to be taken, but was somehow overruled?
Or does it mean that Fox was originally chosen in some sort of selection
process, and Bill overruled the choice and had Samantha taken?
Bill certainly seemed to believe that the Samantha clone in Colony was
Samantha, so given that Bill knew what happened to her, it was
apparently consistent with the story the clone told.
-M-
The X Fox
missy wrote:
>
> Jim Davis wrote:
> >
> > Cancer Man can't be the father to Fox, because in "Musings of the
> > Cigarette Smoking Man", young Bill Mulder showed young Cancer Man a
> > picture of his first born saying that the child's first words were
> > JFK. It hardly seems like Cancer Man had a chance to be intimate with
> > Bill Mulders wife while in the Army alongside Billy. However, it is
> > likely that Cancer Man could be the father to Samantha. What do you
> > think?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jim
>
> Don't worry Jim, I belive you. I think you and I are in the minority,
> unfortunatly. I've spent hours both on and off newsgroups trying to
> explain how it wouldn't work if CM is Fox's dad blah blah blah, but
> no-one listens. We can only win the war if we choose the right
> battles, and this is a battle we just can't win. I don't think I'll
> believe it even if Carter announces it in the 7:30 news, for Gods
> sake... But then again, the forth season hasn't started here in
> Australia and there have been a lot of revelations since the season
> prem. so I'm a bit behind. But never the less, THE TRUTH WILL
> PREVALE!!! even if it means assigning a hit man to CC.
>
> Keep the truth at hand, the lies at bay and the salad sandwich in the
> fridge.....
>
> Missy-- propiter of Dark Obsessions in Matherson Ave. X-Ville.
You both are right. I think most X-Philes make the mistake of looking
too deep into certain things. Not everything has a hidden meaning.
The X Fox
kba...@global.california.com
Keith Barnes
kba...@global.california.com
So, there's lots of reasons why CSM would keep him alive like that. I can
think of at least 15. And looking at how CSM works, how can anyone really
know what's moe advantageous to him?
Sophie Billing
In article <59eqba$m...@kadath.zeitgeist.net>, Aaron France
<aa...@tlg.net> writes
> We
>also find out in or in The Blessing Way or in Paper Clip that (according
>to WMM) Samantha was taken from Bill Mulder as insurance to keep him
>from betraying the project...
>
>Aaron
Okay, I know about this, but I don't get how it could work. Think about
it guys!! (g) Normally if you are going to tell some one that they
better keep quiate about the project, or the daughter gets it. You would
not say: we have taken away your daughter, so you better keep quiate
or... Oh yeah, we've already got the daughter...now what? Wouldn't
Billy-boy Mulder be more likely to tell about the project, BECAUSE they
took Sam? PLEASE do'nt flame me about this I'm young and I'm curious. :)
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Missy
kba...@global.california.com wrote:
>
> Keith Barnes
> kba...@global.california.com
>
> On Mon, 23 Dec 1996, David Elkin wrote:
>
> > CSM has to be Maulder's father, not Samantha's because a. CSM would not
> > have allowed Sammy to be abducted and b. CSM has kept Maulder alive when
> > in any other sceniaro it would have been more advantageous to remove
> > Maulder.
Actually, I'm thinking more along the lines of resons why PA Mulder let
CSM take sam... Bill was the one who made the choice, maybe he didn't
want Sam because she wasn't *his*, and who knows, maybe CSM sees his
*daughter* now on a regular basis? And he's letting Mulder live because
he loves MA Mulder.
Just a thought.
Missy <braver but not much smarter><and officially dead>
Chris Wuchte
I've been saying the same thing to people since last season. Mulder's father
had them take Samantha out of spite, because he was angry that she wasn't his
daughter. Okay, I have to admit I didn't become a fan till last season, but
from the reruns I've seen and what I've read, Mulder's name was originally on
that file to go, yet it was switched to Samantha. Mulder's father had some
role in the choice of which sibling was to be abducted.
And Cancer Man could still be protecting Mulder out of love for Mulder's
mother, regardless of the fact that Mulder may not be his son. If he cares
about her, could he really bear to see her lose her other child as well?
Chris (who just realized that he's spending New Year's online and feels
exposed as a geek of some kind)
Terry Stacey
In message <5acuj3$7...@reader.seed.net.tw>
phos...@prairienet.com (Chris Wuchte) writes:
> In article <32C5CD...@ozemail.com.au>, mis...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> >kba...@global.california.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Keith Barnes
> >> kba...@global.california.com>
Mulder's father
> had them take Samantha out of spite, because he was angry that she
wasn't his
> daughter.
> Chris (who just realized that he's spending New Year's online and feels
> exposed as a geek of some kind)
Perhaps, however Bill could have fist put down Mulder's name to be
taken out of spite he wasn't his. Then Cancer man later changed the
name to Samantha as he didn't want to lose his son. Cancer man is
portrayed in the show as having more power than Bill and so in the
end Bill may not have had a choice.
Bear in mind my view here is likely to be very biast as I think a
story line were Cancer man turns out to be Mulder's father would be a
most amazing one. ( Are you hearing me Chris Carter ? )
Julie
mini...@aol.com
What would seem even more dramatically ironic would be if Bill Mulder did
NOT know that Samantha was his only child until after he'd sacrificed her.
He'd naturally be cold toward the remaining child. That could explain
the falling out between Mulder, Sr., and CSM. CSM would have known from
the beginning and allowed his "friend" to sacrifice an offspring to save
his own. Regardless of their respective paternity she would have hated
both for their own heinous actions with her children.
Terry Stacey
Ok, I have a theory on this subject I'm sticking to at the moment.
Cancer Man is Mulder's father as he had an affair with Mrs Mulder.
Bill Mulder knew about this affair. - Could be linked to his divorce
from Mrs Mulder.
" I hated him for it, and in his grave I hate him still "
This is what Mrs Mulder said in 'Paper Clip' regarding 'the choice'
We know 'Fox Mulder' was the name origionally on the file and this
could have been down to Bill Mulder. ( Out of spite he wasn't his
child ). Then Cancer Man, not wishing to lose his own son to the
government experiment had the name changed to 'Samantha Mulder'. This
became the final decision and Bill Mulder was unable to do anything about it.
Oh and before I forget, there was something recently on the newsgroup
about Mulder's tendency to violence and how this could be due to
'Black Cancer'.
Is this concerning Cancer Man being Mulder's father?
Somebody had also mentioned Mulder needed to be shown 'the error of
his ways' before he turns into what he hates most. Could this be the
Cancer Man genes kicking in?
Julie Stacey.
"If people were to know of the things that I know, it would all fall
apart" - Cancer Man.
John A. Coffin
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< < > / I'm glad to hear that Samantha isn't Mulder's father....oh, you
\ ~ / mean that CSM isn't Samantha's father...how silly of me.
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Andromeda
I have thought CM was Mulder's father from the end of season 2. The
"Black Cancer" can't be a reason for Mulder to have been violent in the
past eps because he only got the stuff put into him in "Tunguska" two
parter and thse were recent eps. I havn't seen him be violent in any eps
after the "Tunguska" two parter.
Andromeda
I have thought CM was Mulder's father from the end of season 2. The
Maru" two parter. The stuff Mulder has in him is pretty much the
same, but it doesn't posses him...yet, and can't be a reason for Mulder
Coleen Sullivan-Baier
In <32DF5B...@thepentagon.com> Andromeda
Yeah, when he ordered the soldier guy to burn the boxcar
with Mulder in it, it was such a Kodak moment.
Thanks, Dad
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(who thinks Butt Man and Mama NoName did the horizontal rhumba, but no
spawnlings were produced)
Andromeda
But the guy said Mulder wasn't IN the box car. So of course CM said burn
it. :)