What was the name of the epp where Fox was regressed into another life?
(The Civil War Soldier?) That show has to be my favorite.
What did everyone else think of the one where Fox found the ship in the
devil's triangle? Also a fav of mine. The long shot of Scully at the
FBI office was classic!
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"Screw you guys. I'm goin' home."
Hey, it's my wish. I get to wish for anything. :)
Two people can hardly be called a group... ;)
Lots of people like TFWID and there are more than two members of
the Support Group. Just because attendance at meetings is limited
due to physical constraints, doesn't mean other members aren't
present in spirit. We can do that kind of thing in a FWID group ;-P
>Lots of people like TFWID and there are more than two members of
>the Support Group. Just because attendance at meetings is limited
>due to physical constraints, doesn't mean other members aren't
>present in spirit. We can do that kind of thing in a FWID group ;-P
I agree with this post. TFWID was the most heartbreaking story I've ever seen
on network television. If TFWID were a wrestler, it would kick all other
network tv sad story wrestlers' asses.
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I agree with this post.
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>Hey... dead people don't count! ;)
Hey Ad, look at this!
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They vote in Chicago.
>On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:05:55 -0500, "Igor McBain"
><furry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey... dead people don't count! ;)
>
>Hey Ad, look at this!
I will be starting an organization to monitor the activities of anti-dead
individuals and organizations in the year 2000. This madness must not be
allowed to spread.
-ad, you can't spell "dead" without him
>"Igor McBain" <furry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey... dead people don't count! ;)
>
>They vote in Chicago.
Even the ng has gone into reruns. ;-P
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> I agree with this post. TFWID was the most heartbreaking story I've ever seen
> on network television.
Oh yeahhhhh, I get all weepy-eyed just thinking about it. C'mon you
guys. You didn't say, "Oh brother!" even once when you watched TFWID?
He's an FBI agent for cryin' out loud.
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Nope, didn't say that once. He's a *sensitive* FBI agent who is prone to
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Wait, wait, if you buy the weepy-eyed FBI agent how about the totally
messy sensitive-boy hair-do? For an FBI agent? <shudder> Or the poetry
reading in the grass? Or the hypno-regression "Scully was my sergeant"
stuff? That is just tooo Hollywood for me and waaaaay over the top,
pretentiousness-wise. If I needed the assistance of the FBI and an FBI
agent showed up at my door in that condition (hole-in-the-head scars,
weepy-eyed, hypno-regressed mentality and a with a book of poetry) I'd
"Oh brother!" him right to his face and address my troubles to his
"Sergeant" Scully.
I think what bothered me the most was he was in his FBI "uniform" when
most of this sensitive boy in the grass stuff was going down.
CC said eps that work best when you can reference them to what you know
to be real so that you buy off on the outrageous stuff. This one was
just too artsy-fartsy (looking and sounding) for an FBI agent involved
in a very serious investigation...and it was serious. You can pull this
artsy character stuff off in the movies, maybe even a TV movie, but not
on episodic TV where the character has to be an FBI agent, week in and
week out. You shouldn't mess with your characters' *professional*
demeanor (and I'm not even going to mention my other favorite bone to
pick ep - MoaCSM). Play with the story, the setting, the music, etc. if
you want to go artsy. That's perfectly okay to me. That ends when the
ep does. But leave the recurring characters alone. All of the above is
an IMHO post.
By the way, I just saw Charles Cioffi (Section Chief Blevins) get gunned
down on the street on a first season episode of Law & Order. He was
playing a mob kingpin. Christine Baranski was his sister and arranged
the hit. I think Michael Duggan had his hand in that ep, too. Not sure
about Sackheim.
>C'mon you
>guys. You didn't say, "Oh brother!" even once when you watched TFWID?
I didn't like TWFID for several reasons the first couple of time I watched it,
the "Oh brother!" factor being a major one. It wasn't until a third, fourth,
or maybe fifth viewing before I started to come to my sense. You wanna know
the thing that finally started to draw me in? Well, I'll tell you! ;) It was
Mark Snow's music. That third, fourth, or maybe even fifth viewing, something
clicked and I was suddenly fascinated by what was happening and it was Mark
Snow's fault.
My biggest "Oh brother!" moment comes from an episode I like a lot - Pusher.
So, um, Mulder shoots an unarmed and weakened suspect at close range and keeps
his job? Oh brother!
Fourth or fifth viewing? Did someone tie you to a chair and make you watch it
that many times?
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I almost never have "Oh, brother!" moments on the X-Files. Do you know
why? You guys are applying real life standards to a show who's storys are
all about improbable if not impossible things happening every week. A guy
that "pushes" his will on other people? A half-human, half-fluke thing
alive in the sewers of Newark? Eons-old glowing lightning bugs that carry
human beings off and suck them dry of all life? And yet, all of the
scoffers point out things like, a real FBI agent wouldn't do this, or look
like that. Well, DUH. I know that. The writers know that. But if you can
suspend your disbelief long enough to enjoy the rest of the story, why let
something this insignificant get your goat?
Sorry, I am not trying to take anyone to task here, I guess I just feel
like, enjoy the show for what it's meant for: an entertaining hour of
television in which the creative people at 1013 try to enthrall us with a
good story, or a familiar story told in a different way than we are used to.
--
TrueBlueStef (stepping down from the soapbox now)
>I almost never have "Oh, brother!" moments on the X-Files. Do you know
>why? You guys are applying real life standards to a show who's storys are
>all about improbable if not impossible things happening every week. A guy
>that "pushes" his will on other people? A half-human, half-fluke thing
>alive in the sewers of Newark? Eons-old glowing lightning bugs that carry
>human beings off and suck them dry of all life? And yet, all of the
>scoffers point out things like, a real FBI agent wouldn't do this, or look
>like that. Well, DUH. I know that. The writers know that. But if you can
>suspend your disbelief long enough to enjoy the rest of the story, why let
>something this insignificant get your goat?
I couldn't snip a word of the above. It is beautiful, Stef,
beautiful. <sniff> I love ya, woman!
Oh, I agree with this post!
>I love ya, woman!
Pssst, Jen -- you're not getting her Bud Light.
>Fourth or fifth viewing? Did someone tie you to a chair and make you watch it
>that many times?
With the exceptions of RK and GV, I watch all episodes multiple times. Within
a week after 6thE:AF aired, I probably watched it twelve times or more.
If I were to be tied to a chair and made to watch an ep, I think DPO would be
the one I would want to be made to watch. I don't know why.
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>Adhokk7 <adh...@aol.coma> wrote in message
>news:19991231142309...@ng-fe1.aol.com...
>: laura capozzola <laur...@erols.com> wrote:
>:
>: >C'mon you
>: >guys. You didn't say, "Oh brother!" even once when you watched TFWID?
>:
>: I didn't like TWFID for several reasons the first couple of time I watched
it,
>: the "Oh brother!" factor being a major one.
<snip>
>: My biggest "Oh brother!" moment comes from an episode I like a lot -
Pusher.
<snip>
>I almost never have "Oh, brother!" moments on the X-Files. Do you know
>why?
No man, but you know one thing that really drives me nuts about The X-Files?
All those times that, as much as I dig Mulder, I would have fired him and liked
it. I mean, how does this guy keep his job? Of particular unbelievability is
the little gig at the end of 1S where a
quitting-without-notice-and-walking-right-the-hell-out-on-Kersh Spender is able
to get Mulder and Scully back on the X-files. Any real life Kersh would have
shot all four of them (M, S, Spender, and Skinner) for bringing that "the
future is here and all bets are off" crap into his office.
>You guys are applying real life standards to a show who's storys are
>all about improbable if not impossible things happening every week. A guy
>that "pushes" his will on other people? A half-human, half-fluke thing
>alive in the sewers of Newark? Eons-old glowing lightning bugs that carry
>human beings off and suck them dry of all life? And yet, all of the
>scoffers point out things like, a real FBI agent wouldn't do this, or look
>like that. Well, DUH. I know that. The writers know that. But if you can
>suspend your disbelief long enough to enjoy the rest of the story, why let
>something this insignificant get your goat?
Well, it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the show usually. If it does,
it's usually only one of a number of problems, as in the case of RK. I imagine
one could argue, and I would be arguing this if I were more passionate about
the subject, that the granted suspension of disbelief should not be abused
given the already generous nature of accepting a guy that "pushes" his will on
other people, fluke-people, and eons-old glowing lightning bugs. The viewer is
doing his/her part by accepting the larger unlikely characteristics of a story,
so the storyteller(s) should insure that the remaining story be as easily
believed as possible, pretty much.
>Sorry, I am not trying to take anyone to task here, I guess I just feel
>like, enjoy the show for what it's meant for: an entertaining hour of
>television in which the creative people at 1013 try to enthrall us with a
>good story, or a familiar story told in a different way than we are used to.
I'm pretty good about getting my mail at that address. It's rare, this
thread's subjects notwithstanding, that any "Oh brother!" effect is strong
enough to completely derail an episode for me. I mean, I love TOE and Alpha,
so there ya go. so U nd 2 get a LIFE!!1!!
Now make with the $20.00 (which looks a lot like 2000, no?).
> My biggest "Oh brother!" moment comes from an episode I like a lot - Pusher.
> So, um, Mulder shoots an unarmed and weakened suspect at close range and keeps
> his job? Oh brother!
Pusher? Justifiable homicide...except he didn't die but after seeing
Kitsunegari, maybe he should have. Pusher was armed with his brain.
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> I almost never have "Oh, brother!" moments on the X-Files.
Me either, that's why TFWID stands out. It was totally pretentious to
have Fox Mulder acting like that.
Do you know
> why? You guys are applying real life standards to a show who's storys are
> all about improbable if not impossible things happening every week.
Oh nooooo! This one was not "Oh brother!" material because of the woman
with multiple personalities and the cult issue which should have been
the focus of attention. This was "Oh brother!" material because Fox
William Mulder, an FBI agent for cryin' out loud, went off on some
artsy-fartsy sensitive-boy bent replete with messy sensitive boy hair
for a single episode. Mulder's curiosity and his believing in UFOs and
conspiracies may be strange for an FBI agent but THAT personality was
cultivated over 3 seasons before TFWID, and Mulder never deviated much
from it no matter where one unbelievable story after another took him.
He may have gotten more jaded as the seasons went on but it was a
natural evolution of his character. Also, don't mix up the character
traits of Fox Mulder with what you know about David Duchovny. This is
strictly an over-the-top *character* issue.
A guy
> that "pushes" his will on other people? A half-human, half-fluke thing
> alive in the sewers of Newark? Eons-old glowing lightning bugs that carry
> human beings off and suck them dry of all life? And yet, all of the
> scoffers point out things like, a real FBI agent wouldn't do this, or look
> like that. Well, DUH. I know that. The writers know that. But if you can
> suspend your disbelief long enough to enjoy the rest of the story, why let
> something this insignificant get your goat?
Because it's totally pretentious to have a character with which you are
very familiar, and see week in and week out, go off and do these
over-the-top things for the sake of "art." Again, they could play with
the story and NON-recurring characters all they want as far as I am
concerned. I can accept and enjoy that as creative artistic
experimentation. I think PMP was a good example of that. The story was
out there, BUT Mulder and Scully, remained true to their characters
because when the story ends you still have to deal with Mulder and
Scully next week and all of the weeks after that. It is the same reason
why MoaCSM didn't work for me. CSM acting silly totally destroyed for
me the fear and loathing I felt for that supposedly all-powerful
character. For cryin' out loud he was voted The Most Evil Character on
Television by readers of TV Guide earlier that same year...and then they
Gumped him for an artsy-fartsy scene and an in-joke between the two
writers about football teams? Oh nooooo!
And I want to remind you that in Season 4, The X-Files pulled in a whole
new audience because that's when it moved to Sunday night. Some
people's first impressions of Mulder and CSM were formed with TFWID and
MoaCSM sending to the crapper 3 seasons of carefully crafted character
development. The newbie questions after those eps aired gave me
headaches.
> Sorry, I am not trying to take anyone to task here, I guess I just feel
> like, enjoy the show for what it's meant for: an entertaining hour of
> television in which the creative people at 1013 try to enthrall us with a
> good story, or a familiar story told in a different way than we are used to.
Like I said, IMHO if you want to get artsy, do it with the one-time
story or the guest characters or the imagery. Don't mess with the
characters we see week in and week out just to fulfill some one-time
artistic bent.
>I can accept and enjoy that as creative artistic
>experimentation. I think PMP was a good example of that.
Nah. TWFID was creative artistic experimentation. PMP was "Oh brother!". ;)
-ad, who wanted to talk to the writer after PMP
"Jen (is not a potato)" wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:12:18 GMT, in alt.tv.x-files the esteemed
> "Adora" <hea...@nospam.ctaz.com> opined pensively:
>
> >"Igor McBain" <furry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hey... dead people don't count! ;)
> >
> >They vote in Chicago.
>
> Even the ng has gone into reruns. ;-P
>
> Jen
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Okay- so say a dead person wanted to vote in Chicago-
would they prop him up and wait for a body part to fall off, and then
the candidate's name that the part fell nearest to would that be...
wait- I have the most strange and strong feeling of deja vu...
ummmm.. never mind...
I am!
Kimba
but- would they vote for a dead issue? Depending on which arm fell off
would they vote for a left wing or right wing candidate?
Oh well - no sense beating a dead horse....
If Santiago turns out to be a cross-dresser in a very special Harsh
Realm, you'll be humming a different tune. ;-D
I agree with this post!!
> -ad, who wanted to talk to the writer after PMP
More or less than you wanted to "talk to" the writer of TGV?
>"Adhokk7" <adh...@aol.comX> wrote:
>
>> -ad, who wanted to talk to the writer after PMP
>
>More or less than you wanted to "talk to" the writer of TGV?
Yes.
<snip>
>TWFID was creative artistic experimentation.
You spelled "embarassing bit of angst-ridden tripe" wrong.
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>ad said:
>
><snip>
>
>>TWFID was creative artistic experimentation.
>
>You spelled "embarassing bit of angst-ridden tripe" wrong.
the h311 u s@y!
<checks spelling carefully>
No....no he didn't. <g>
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>Adhokk7 wrote:
>>
>> laura capozzola <laur...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I can accept and enjoy that as creative artistic
>> >experimentation. I think PMP was a good example of that.
>>
>> Nah. TWFID was creative artistic experimentation. PMP was "Oh brother!".
;)
>>
>> -ad, who wanted to talk to the writer after PMP
>
>If Santiago turns out to be a cross-dresser in a very special Harsh
>Realm, you'll be humming a different tune. ;-D
Ouch.
I think if there are any very special Harsh Realm eps, they'll be "Santiago,
Please Eat Something" or "Virtual Diseases: Why Hobbes Should Play It Safe".