50 Greatest Science Fiction Pioneers
laura capozzola
Top 50 Greatest Science Fiction Pioneers (no actors, we're
talking movies, TV, books, comic books)
Want to take a whack at guessing who made their Top 10?
You name the name, I'll tell you if they made the Top 50 and
at what number.
Laura
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W. Blaine Dowler
> You name the name, I'll tell you if they made the Top 50 and
> at what number.
I'd include (in alphabetical order):
For novels:
Philip K. Dick
Robert A. Heinlein
Stanislaw Lem
Larry Niven
Jules Verne
H. G. Wells
For magazines:
Hugo Gernsback
For comics:
Jack Kirby
Stan Lee
Jerry Siegel and Joel Shuster
For movies:
George Lucas (for the impact of "Star Wars")
The Lumiere Brothers (for "A Trip to the Moon")
Steven Spielberg
For TV:
Irwin Allen
Gene Roddenberry
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hun...@attcanada.net
W. Blaine Dowler wrote:
> laura capozzola wrote:
>
> > You name the name, I'll tell you if they made the Top 50 and
> > at what number.
>
> I'd include (in alphabetical order):
>
> For novels:
> Philip K. Dick
> Robert A. Heinlein
> Stanislaw Lem
> Larry Niven
> Jules Verne
> H. G. Wells
May I add:
Isaac Asimov
Arthur C. Clarke
William Gibson
/hunter,
trying to think of a woman who ought to be on the list - Mary Shelley
maybe
Alan Hurshman
>
> Isaac Asimov
So you think illiterates who type fast should qualify?
> /hunter,
> trying to think of a woman who ought to be on the list - Mary Shelley
> maybe
Think? A definite yes. Then there is Marion Zimmer Bradley,
though hers was more fantasy.
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hun...@attcanada.net
> <hun...@attcanada.net> wrote in message
> >
> > Isaac Asimov
>
> So you think illiterates who type fast should qualify?
I believe my opinion really isn't at issue (though I must admit I've
never heard him described quite that way). The task was to guess who's
on the list as determined by some magazine. And I'm thinking that Isaac
has achieved some some level of awareness within the general public
consciousness...
> > /hunter,
> > trying to think of a woman who ought to be on the list - Mary
Shelley
> > maybe
>
> Think? A definite yes. Then there is Marion Zimmer Bradley,
> though hers was more fantasy.
I'll bet there isn't a woman in say the top 25.
/hunter,
distracted
Alan Hurshman
> Alan Hurshman wrote:
>> <hun...@attcanada.net> wrote in message
>> > Isaac Asimov
>> So you think illiterates who type fast should qualify?
> I believe my opinion really isn't at issue (though I must admit I've
> never heard him described quite that way).
Back in the early days of what was then called the
microcomputer, Asimov got extensive coverage by
Byte and magazines of that sort. They went into some
detail on how many pages a day he wrote. He really
churned them out. But to be fair, literacy is not something
most scifi fans seem to focus on.
--
AlanH
lynx
<hun...@attcanada.net> wrote in message
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Mary Shelley
MZ Bradley, as noted above by [Alan?] - IMHO the Darkover novels weren't as
much fantasy as anthropological science fiction, one of my fav sub-genres
Ursula LeGuin
Anne McCaffrey
Sherry Tepper
CJ Cherryh
and little known but seminal Naomi Mitchison, for 1962's Memoirs of a
Spacewoman
It depends upon the audience or group that made up the list. If it
contained an equivalent number of women, then maybe some of these names -
and others - would appear, IMHO.
--
lynx
Goo Bee Goo Bee Do
R.V. Gronoff
>
> For movies:
> George Lucas (for the impact of "Star Wars")
> The Lumiere Brothers (for "A Trip to the Moon")
> Steven Spielberg
>
I'd add Stanley Kubrick (2001 ASO), Andrej Tarkovsky (Solaris) and
Ridley Scott (Alien) + Jack Arnold and Byron Haskin back in the 50s.
> For TV:
> Irwin Allen
> Gene Roddenberry
>
>
And Patrick McGoohan with his series "The Prisoner".
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laura capozzola
laura capozzola
> <hun...@attcanada.net> wrote in message
> news:1108936831....@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Alan Hurshman wrote:
>>
>>><hun...@attcanada.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>Isaac Asimov
>>>
>>>So you think illiterates who type fast should qualify?
>>
>>I believe my opinion really isn't at issue (though I must admit I've
>>never heard him described quite that way). The task was to guess who's
>>on the list as determined by some magazine. And I'm thinking that Isaac
>>has achieved some some level of awareness within the general public
>>consciousness...
>>
>>
>>>>/hunter,
>>>>trying to think of a woman who ought to be on the list - Mary
>>
>>Shelley
>>
>>>>maybe
>>>
>>>Think? A definite yes. Then there is Marion Zimmer Bradley,
>>>though hers was more fantasy.
>>
>>I'll bet there isn't a woman in say the top 25.
>>
>
> Well, among authors:
> Mary Shelley
Just her from your list.
> MZ Bradley, as noted above by [Alan?] - IMHO the Darkover novels weren't as
> much fantasy as anthropological science fiction, one of my fav sub-genres
> Ursula LeGuin
> Anne McCaffrey
> Sherry Tepper
> CJ Cherryh
> and little known but seminal Naomi Mitchison, for 1962's Memoirs of a
> Spacewoman
No, remember the category is 50 Greatest Sci Fi **Pioneers**
laura capozzola
> W. Blaine Dowler wrote:
>
>>laura capozzola wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You name the name, I'll tell you if they made the Top 50 and
>>>at what number.
>>
>>I'd include (in alphabetical order):
>>
>>For novels:
>>Philip K. Dick
>>Robert A. Heinlein
>>Stanislaw Lem
>>Larry Niven
>>Jules Verne
>>H. G. Wells
>
>
> May I add:
>
> Isaac Asimov
Number 27
> Arthur C. Clarke
Number 21
> William Gibson
Number 41
>
> /hunter,
> trying to think of a woman who ought to be on the list - Mary Shelley
> maybe
Number 50
laura capozzola
Sorry, only 2 women on the list and not her.
(SFX is a Brit magazine...)
laura capozzola
> laura capozzola wrote:
>
>
>>You name the name, I'll tell you if they made the Top 50 and
>>at what number.
>
>
> I'd include (in alphabetical order):
>
> For novels:
> Philip K. Dick
Number 11
> Robert A. Heinlein
Not on the list
> Stanislaw Lem
Not on the list
> Larry Niven
Not on the list
> Jules Verne
Number 40
> H. G. Wells
Number 2
> For magazines:
> Hugo Gernsback
Not on the list
>
> For comics:
> Jack Kirby
Not on the list
> Stan Lee
Number 5
> Jerry Siegel and Joel Shuster
Number 38
>
> For movies:
> George Lucas (for the impact of "Star Wars")
Number 1
> The Lumiere Brothers (for "A Trip to the Moon")
Not on the list
> Steven Spielberg
Number 4
> For TV:
> Irwin Allen
Not on the list
> Gene Roddenberry
Number 3
Not bad. You got the Top 5
laura capozzola
> W. Blaine Dowler a écrit :
>
>>
>> For movies:
>> George Lucas (for the impact of "Star Wars")
>> The Lumiere Brothers (for "A Trip to the Moon")
>> Steven Spielberg
>>
>
> I'd add Stanley Kubrick (2001 ASO),
Number 13
Andrej Tarkovsky (Solaris) and
Not on the list
> Ridley Scott (Alien)
Number 39
+ Jack Arnold and Byron Haskin back in the 50s.
Not on the list
>
>> For TV:
>> Irwin Allen
>> Gene Roddenberry
Just Roddenberry at Number 3
> And Patrick McGoohan with his series "The Prisoner".
Not on the list
laura capozzola
pioneer aspect:
"SFX celebrates the achievement of the 50 men and women who
have done most **to shape** the science fiction and fantasy
landscape into what it is today."
They are the most influential sci fi and fantasy pioneers.
It isn't the richest, most powerful, most successful. They
say if you removed any of the Top 50 (I have to take their
word for it because I don't know about 10 of them) so they
never existed, then the current state of SF would be very
different and almost certainly for the worse.
You are also missing some who were sci fi and/or fantasy
technical pioneers or who were firsts who used technical
wizardry creatively...
If you get 25 out of 50 I'll tell you the rest of them. And
if you question any I'll tell you why SFX picked them.
I will recap who you have so far:
1. George Lucas
2. HG Wells
3. Gene Roddenberry
4. Steven Spielberg
5. Stan Lee
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11. Philip K Dick
12.
13. Stanley Kubrick
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
21. Arthur C Clarke
22.
23.
24.
25.
26.
27. Isaac Asimov
28.
29.
30.
31.
32.
33.
34.
35.
36.
37.
38. Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster
39.
40. Jules Verne
41. William Gibson
42.
43.
44.
45.
46.
47.
48.
49.
50. Mary Shelley
lynx
"laura capozzola" <laur...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe this will help you. I think you are missing the pioneer aspect:
>
Ray Harryhausen
JRR Tolkien
Bram Stoker
James Cameron
Frank Herbert
Ray Bradbury
Frank Frazetta
Tim Burton
Stan Lee
Arthur C Clarke
Anthony Burgess
Ed Wood ;-)
Aldous Huxley
George Orwell
Karel Capek
Chris Carter
Joss Whedon
Roger Zelazny
Kurt Vonnegut
Alfred Bester
Theodore Sturgeon
Harlan Ellison
Bob Kane
Kelly Freas
oh..I don't know. Pioneers are so hard.
laura capozzola
>
> OK - I'll try further
I think you've got it.
>
> Ray Harryhausen
Number 47
> JRR Tolkien
Number 12
> Bram Stoker
Number 36
> James Cameron
Number 19
> Frank Herbert
> Ray Bradbury
> Frank Frazetta
Not on the list
> Tim Burton
Number 10
> Stan Lee
Got him already
> Arthur C Clarke
Got him already
> Anthony Burgess
> Ed Wood ;-)
> Aldous Huxley
> George Orwell
> Karel Capek
Not on the list.
> Chris Carter
YES! NUMBER 7
> Joss Whedon
Number 14
> Roger Zelazny
> Kurt Vonnegut
> Alfred Bester
> Theodore Sturgeon
> Harlan Ellison
> Bob Kane
> Kelly Freas
Not on the list.
Okay, a recap:
>>1. George Lucas
>>2. HG Wells
>>3. Gene Roddenberry
>>4. Steven Spielberg
>>5. Stan Lee
>>6.
>>7. Chris Carter
>>8.
>>9.
>>10. Tim Burton
>>11. Philip K Dick
>>12. JRR Tolkien
>>13. Stanley Kubrick
>>14. Joss Whedon
>>15.
>>16.
>>17.
>>18.
>>19. James Cameron
>>20.
>>21. Arthur C Clarke
>>22.
>>23.
>>24.
>>25.
>>26.
>>27. Isaac Asimov
>>28.
>>29.
>>30.
>>31.
>>32.
>>33.
>>34.
>>35.
>>36. Bram Stoker
>>37.
>>38. Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster
>>39.
>>40. Jules Verne
>>41. William Gibson
>>42.
>>43.
>>44.
>>45.
>>46.
>>47. Ray Harryhausen
>>48.
>>49.
>>50. Mary Shelley
>>
>
> oh..I don't know. Pioneers are so hard.
Okay, if you guys get 5 more, I'll give you the rest.
lynx
"Hank" <ah...@GARBAGEphilipkdick.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Rumor has it that Hank put forth the following:
>
>>Rumor has it that laura capozzola put forth the following:
>>
>>>Okay, if you guys get 5 more, I'll give you the rest.
>>
>
>
> Dammit! He's also not on the list? Well, the following, then, is even more
> The
> Truth:
>
>>... though since this list does not include Ray Bradbury or Frank Herbert
>>it's
>>rather suspect.
>
> Seriously. Josh Whedon, but no Bradbury.
>
> Oooooookay.
>
You can say that again, Hank. They've gotta have Rod Serling [one of your
nominees], since they're so TV oriented.. And Fritz Lang, excellent pick!
How about some more directors:
Peter Jackson
Ridley Scott
Robert Zemeckis
the Wachowskis
Orson Wells
and then
Jack Finney
Are there any actors on the list [for their actng]?
lynx
laura capozzola
> Rumor has it that laura capozzola put forth the following:
>
>
>
>
Number 44
> Alfred Bester
> Charles Beaumont
> Richard Matheson
> Rod Serling
None of those
>>44. Fritz Lang
>>45.
>>46.
>>47. Ray Harryhausen
>>48.
>>49.
>>50. Mary Shelley
>>
laura capozzola
> "Hank" <ah...@GARBAGEphilipkdick.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:421d4850....@news.west.earthlink.net...
>
>>
>>Seriously. Josh Whedon, but no Bradbury.
I had a problem with Whedon, myself. I'll have to read
exactly what it is he's a pioneer of over Rod Serling, for
example.
>>Oooooookay.
>>
>
> You can say that again, Hank. They've gotta have Rod Serling [one of your
> nominees], since they're so TV oriented.. And Fritz Lang, excellent pick!
>
> How about some more directors:
> Peter Jackson
Number 28
> Ridley Scott
Number 39
> Robert Zemeckis
Not on the list
> the Wachowskis
Number 18
> Orson Wells
>
> and then
> Jack Finney
Not on the list.
>
> Are there any actors on the list [for their actng]?
No.
And I must say there are a few on the list I associate with
horror not sci fi or fantasy. If you guys get one more,
I'll give you the other 25.
Some hints: Horror books and movies, some Brits (SFX is a
Brit magazine, two own stores), games, anime, Number 6,
Number 16 and Number 23 are tech guys, one is a comic book
guy...some popular Brit shows didn't exactly light up this
side of the pond but one was hot stuff over there for many
years.
>>1. George Lucas
>>2. HG Wells
>>3. Gene Roddenberry
>>4. Steven Spielberg
>>5. Stan Lee
>>6.
>>7. Chris Carter
>>8.
>>9.
>>10. Tim Burton
>>11. Philip K Dick
>>12. JRR Tolkien
>>13. Stanley Kubrick
>>14. Joss Whedon
>>15.
>>16.
>>17.
>>18. The Wachowskis
>>19. James Cameron
>>20.
>>21. Arthur C Clarke
>>22.
>>23.
>>24.
>>25.
>>26.
>>27. Isaac Asimov
>>28. Peter Jackson
>>29.
>>30.
>>31.
>>32.
>>33.
>>34.
>>35.
>>36. Bram Stoker
>>37.
>>38. Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster
>>39. Ridley Scott
>>40. Jules Verne
>>41. William Gibson
>>42.
>>43.
>>44. Fritz Lang
>>45.
>>46.
>>47. Ray Harryhausen
>>48.
>>49.
>>50. Mary Shelley
Laura
laura capozzola
> Rumor has it that lynx put forth the following:
>
>
>>How about HR Giger?
>
>
> Yes. That's what I meant by "UberTech". ;-)
Yes, Number 16.
lynx
and Tobe Hooper
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W. Blaine Dowler
> Seriously. Josh Whedon, but no Bradbury.
>
> Oooooookay.
The Lumiere brothers didn't make it, and they were the first to film sci-fi.
In fact, "A Trip To The Moon" used the first dissolves, the first
constructed sets, the first multiple-shot storytelling, and some amazing
special effects for the time. The only way they didn't make the list would
be if the names were selected by write-in poll of the uncultured and
uneducated masses. :)
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- Blaine
Those who are not shocked when they first come across quantum
mechanics cannot possibly have understood it.
- Niels Henrik David Bohr (1885-1962) Danish physicist.
W. Blaine Dowler
> See, I tried for a movie director, given others on the list, and surely
> Lang, with his ground breaking Metropolis, is thus on the list.
If not Lang, then F.W. Murnau or Robert Wiene.
Ted...@aol.com
Octavia Butler (female and black)?
Ann McCaffrey?
W. Blaine Dowler
> Some hints: Horror books and movies, some Brits (SFX is a
> Brit magazine, two own stores), games, anime, Number 6,
> Number 16 and Number 23 are tech guys, one is a comic book
> guy...some popular Brit shows didn't exactly light up this
> side of the pond but one was hot stuff over there for many
> years.
OK, how about
- Douglas Adams
- creator of "Dr. Who" (whose name I don't know)
- Alan Moore
- Mark Millar
- Rob Grant and Doug Naylor
- Neil Gaiman
- Alfred Hitchcock
laura capozzola
>
> Talking Horror - How about HP Lovecraft, and Tobe Hooper
> -- lynx
>
>
laura capozzola
> Rumor has it that lynx put forth the following:
>
>
>> HP Lovecraft
>
>
>
> Yes!!
>
> Has to be on the list, or I'll eat my set up paper clips
> right here <points>.
Photos please. ;-)
laura capozzola
> laura capozzola wrote:
>
>
>>Some hints: Horror books and movies, some Brits (SFX is a
>>Brit magazine, two own stores), games, anime, Number 6,
>>Number 16 and Number 23 are tech guys, one is a comic book
>>guy...some popular Brit shows didn't exactly light up this
>>side of the pond but one was hot stuff over there for many
>>years.
>
>
> OK, how about
> - Douglas Adams
Yes. Number 20
> - creator of "Dr. Who" (whose name I don't know)
Yes. Sydney Newman is the guy's name.
> - Alan Moore
> - Mark Millar
> - Rob Grant and Doug Naylor
No.
> - Neil Gaiman
Number 45.
> - Alfred Hitchcock
No
laura capozzola
>>1. George Lucas
>>2. HG Wells
>>3. Gene Roddenberry
>>4. Steven Spielberg
>>5. Stan Lee
>>6. Ed Catmull & Steve Jobs (Pixar)
>>7. Chris Carter
>>8. Terry Nation (creator of the Daleks???)
>>9. Gerry Anderson (puppet guy - Thunderbird creator)
>>10. Tim Burton
>>11. Philip K Dick
>>12. JRR Tolkien
>>13. Stanley Kubrick
>>14. Joss Whedon
>>15. Sydney Newman (Dr Who, Avengers creator)
>>16. HR Giger
>>17. Osamu Tezuka (Anime pioneer)
>>18. The Wachowskis
>>19. James Cameron
>>20. Douglas Adams (Brit merchant & Hitchikers Guide writer
>>21. Arthur C Clarke
>>22. M Night Shyamalan
>>23. Stan Winston (Special effects genius - I really
tried hard to get you to guess this one)
>>24. Jack Kirby (Comic book artist - Marvel & DC)
>>25. JK Rowling (the other woman)
>>26. John Carpenter (director)
>>27. Isaac Asimov
>>28. Peter Jackson (director)
>>29. Russell T Davies (the man who resurrected Dr Who)
>>30. Sam Raimi (director)
>>31. JM Straczynski (Babylon 5)
>>32. Nick Landau (Forbidden Planet store owner???)
>>33. Terry Pratchett (writer)
>>34. John Wyndham (classic Brit sci fi writer - Day of
The Triffids, etc.)
>>35. Stephen King (author)
>>36. Bram Stoker
>>37. Gary Gygax (role playing games D&D)
>>38. Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster
>>39. Ridley Scott
>>40. Jules Verne
>>41. William Gibson
>>42. Bob Kane (comic book artist - Batman principal creator)
>>43. Pat Mills (comic book guy - Judge Dredd)
>>44. Fritz Lang
>>45. Neil Gaiman (author)
>>46. David Lynch (director)
>>47. Ray Harryhausen
>>48. Michael Moorcock (editor of New Worlds magazine)
>>49. George Romero (as SFX puts it, Don of the dead)
>>50. Mary Shelley
Don't shoot the messenger for these picks. I still can't
get over Joss Whedon over Rod Serling. Maybe The Twilight
Zone wasn't on Brit TV back in those days.
laura capozzola
lynx
> Here are the Top 50 pioneers according to SFX:
>
> >>15. Sydney Newman (Dr Who, Avengers creator)
> >>23. Stan Winston (Special effects genius - I really
> tried hard to get you to guess this one)
I just couldn't think of his name. I knew who you were trying to get at,
but my googling was inept.
> >>24. Jack Kirby (Comic book artist - Marvel & DC)
I thought they might pick a Marvel artist.
> >>25. JK Rowling (the other woman)
Shoulda known
> >>26. John Carpenter (director)
Thought of him several times while trying to come up with James Cameron,
whose name I seem to always confuse with John Carpenter
> >>33. Terry Pratchett (writer)
Oh yeah, the Brits love him. I haven't been able to get into him.
> >>34. John Wyndham (classic Brit sci fi writer - Day of
> The Triffids, etc.)
Considered him, passed.
> >>35. Stephen King (author)
Dang, shoulda thought
> >>37. Gary Gygax (role playing games D&D)
Once again, I passed on him
> >>46. David Lynch (director)
For Dune? For quirky stuff? If for Dune, why not Frank Herbert?
> >>49. George Romero (as SFX puts it, Don of the dead)
OK, pretty good horror.
> Don't shoot the messenger for these picks. I still can't get over Joss
> Whedon over Rod Serling. Maybe The Twilight Zone wasn't on Brit TV back
> in those days.
> Laura
Thanks, Laura - this was fun.
In Through The Out Door
sci-fi movie in film history.
"laura capozzola" <laur...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> SFX magazine, in a supplement, named who they think are the Top 50
> Greatest Science Fiction Pioneers (no actors, we're talking movies, TV,
> books, comic books)
>
> Want to take a whack at guessing who made their Top 10?
>
> You name the name, I'll tell you if they made the Top 50 and at what
> number.
hun...@attcanada.net
lynx wrote:
> "laura capozzola" <laur...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:M-SdnV1IE4A...@rcn.net...
> > Here are the Top 50 pioneers according to SFX:
> >
> Shoulda known
I would never have considered her books as anything remotely resembling
*science* fiction. More in the fantasy catagory IMHO. But then they
were probably stretching the definition to place another woman and a
Brit at that.
Thanks Laura!
/hunter
R.V. Gronoff
> R.V. Gronoff wrote:
>
>
> + Jack Arnold and Byron Haskin back in the 50s.
>
> Not on the list
>
Your list sucks.
Haskin is the man behind War of the World, the finest non-CGI aliens movie.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046534/
J. Arnold directed "The Incredible Shrinking Man" and "Tarentula", among
other B movies.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000791/
For TV, I should have mentioned Rod Serling for "Twilight Zone" -
without which the X-Files would have been, uh, not a 90s sequel to TZ,
basically. ;-)
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W. Blaine Dowler
> 24. Jack Kirby (Comic book artist - Marvel & DC)
I guessed him with Stan Lee and you said he wasn't on the list.
W. Blaine Dowler
>> >>46. David Lynch (director)
> For Dune? For quirky stuff? If for Dune, why not Frank Herbert?
Probably for Naked Lunch, too.
Alan McHurshman
> Here are the Top 50 pioneers according to SFX:
>
> Don't shoot the messenger for these picks. I still can't
> get over Joss Whedon over Rod Serling. Maybe The Twilight
> Zone wasn't on Brit TV back in those days.
Better yet, Whedon's core work is fantasy
not scifi.
--
AlanH
Alan McHurshman
Agreed. But there are more than a few other
people on that list who are more fantasy than
scifi. Even Lucas with Star Wars created something
that was closer of sci-fantasy than sci-fi.
--
AlanH
W. Blaine Dowler
> Better yet, Whedon's core work is fantasy
> not scifi.
Perhaps they've chosen to recognize "Firefly."
I certainly agree that, while Whedon makes good shows, there are people more
deserving of a place on the list, and Rod Serling is one of them. There
have now been three iterations of "The Twilight Zone" on TV and one on the
big screen, not even looking at two TV iterations of "The Outer Limits,"
which probably wouldn't have made it to the air without the success of "The
Twilight Zone." I can't even think of another fiction anthology show.
laura capozzola
> laura capozzola wrote:
>
>
>>24. Jack Kirby (Comic book artist - Marvel & DC)
>
>
> I guessed him with Stan Lee and you said he wasn't on the list.
>
Sorry.
laura capozzola
> hun...@attcanada.net wrote:
>
>>lynx wrote:
>>
>>>"laura capozzola" <laur...@erols.com> wrote in message
>>>news:M-SdnV1IE4A...@rcn.net...
>>>
>>>>Here are the Top 50 pioneers according to SFX:
>>>>
>>>>>>25. JK Rowling (the other woman)
>>>
>>> Shoulda known
>>
>>I would never have considered her books as anything remotely
>
> resembling
>
>>*science* fiction. More in the fantasy catagory IMHO. But then they
>>were probably stretching the definition to place another woman and a
>>Brit at that.
>
>
> Agreed. But there are more than a few other
> people on that list who are more fantasy than
> scifi.
I think you missed my post where I said what's below to make
sure that you all knew that fantasy was included despite the
title being 50 Greatest Sci Fi Pioneers (maybe they should
have said "science fiction or fantasy" rather than "science
fiction and fantasy"):
Maybe this will help you. I think you are missing the
pioneer aspect:
"SFX celebrates the achievement of the 50 men and women who
have done most **to shape** the science fiction and fantasy
landscape into what it is today."
They are the most influential sci fi and fantasy pioneers.
It isn't the richest, most powerful, most successful. They
say if you removed any of the Top 50 (I have to take their
word for it because I don't know about 10 of them) so they
never existed, then the current state of SF would be very
different and almost certainly for the worse.
You are also missing some who were sci fi and/or fantasy
technical pioneers or who were firsts who used technical
wizardry creatively...