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No fooling, Captain! I could not believe her site. I am going
to post it again because a lot of servers flush out the posts
too quickly.
Here's my list of Mulder/porn references (from the inside jokes list):
* Jersey Devil - Scully catches Mulder looking at a model in a 'girlie'
magazine, which he attempts to cover up by saying she was an abductee.
* Beyond the Sea - Scully tells him "Last time you were that engrossed, it
turned out you were reading the Adult Video News"
* Blood - Mulder tells the Lone Gunmen that he must have overlooked their
August issue because it arrived on the same day as his issue of "Celebrity
Skin".
* One Breath - Can't tell for sure, but what was that tape he was watching
when he gets the call that Scully has reappeared?
* Excelsius Dei - Mulder claims that the tape Scully found in the VCR wasn't
his, and she replies that she put it back in the drawer with the rest of the
tapes that aren't his
* Paper Clip - Mulder tells Frohike that the he will have to wait a little
bit longer for Mulder's video collection (implying that Mulder will leave it
to him when he dies).
* D.P.O. - Upon finding Darren's copy of Playboy, Mulder comments (at
Scully's jibe) that he already has that issue
* Nisei - after asking Scully to watch a video "that came in the mail", she
mentions that "it's not your usual brand of entertainment".
* Pusher - after being fitted with the 2-lux video camera, Mulder asks
"Think I can get the Playboy Channel?"
* Small Potatoes - Eddie (as the faux Mulder) finds an answering machine
message to Mulder from a phone-sex company
Hope this helps!
Laura
Inside Jokes List: http://www.nashville.com/~subterfuge/xfiljoke.html
> Here's my list of Mulder/porn references (from the inside jokes list):
>
> * Jersey Devil - Scully catches Mulder looking at a model in a 'girlie'
> magazine, which he attempts to cover up by saying she was an abductee.
Was this "girlie" magazine pornography, or just women in swimsuits? Two
seperate things...
> * Beyond the Sea - Scully tells him "Last time you were that engrossed, it
> turned out you were reading the Adult Video News"
> * Blood - Mulder tells the Lone Gunmen that he must have overlooked their
> August issue because it arrived on the same day as his issue of "Celebrity
> Skin".
This one good very well be just a joke :-)
> * One Breath - Can't tell for sure, but what was that tape he was watching
> when he gets the call that Scully has reappeared?
> * Excelsius Dei - Mulder claims that the tape Scully found in the VCR wasn't
> his, and she replies that she put it back in the drawer with the rest of the
> tapes that aren't his
hahaha :-)
> * Paper Clip - Mulder tells Frohike that the he will have to wait a little
> bit longer for Mulder's video collection (implying that Mulder will leave it
> to him when he dies).
This one could just be a joke...
> * D.P.O. - Upon finding Darren's copy of Playboy, Mulder comments (at
> Scully's jibe) that he already has that issue
> * Nisei - after asking Scully to watch a video "that came in the mail", she
> mentions that "it's not your usual brand of entertainment".
> * Pusher - after being fitted with the 2-lux video camera, Mulder asks
> "Think I can get the Playboy Channel?"
Joke.
> * Small Potatoes - Eddie (as the faux Mulder) finds an answering machine
> message to Mulder from a phone-sex company
Hahaha... I've heard people listen to Mulder's answering machines and
hear messages like that... but never thought it meant anything... I DO
see your point thought and you're probably right :-)
>
> Hope this helps!
> Laura
> Inside Jokes List: http://www.nashville.com/~subterfuge/xfiljoke.html
Oh well... well anyways - basically Chris Carter is trying to hint to
fans that Mulder is interested pornography. Though, I believe it will
never be told or shown straight out that he is... so basically I think
there may be future evidence but no proof :-)
(Did what I just say make any sense?)
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Correct, Bruckman lets it be known to Mulder that of "all the ways
to go," autoerotic asphyxiation would be the best.
I think you will agree with me, William, that we're not being
teased. It is a fact that Mulder likes porn: his lifestyle
leaves him little option, right? He is a normal male with
normal needs. If I remember correctly, he liked D.P.O.'s
choice for a "playmate" in the magazine found in D.P.O's
closet. He, like you and me, understood that D.P.O. kept
the figure of the "playmate" but substituted the yearbook
photo of the teacher for the face. It's a "guy thing,"
right? If it isn't, then I guess Mulder and I are perverts;
but then that means there are millions and millions of
perverts out there! I await Meg's disapproval and Laura's
expression of horror at this insight into the male psyche:)
Not exactly the "best" way to go, at least in Bruckman's eyes.
Joe, Clyde Bruckman says, "You know, there are worse ways to go, but I
can't think of a more undignified one than auto-erotic asphyxiation."
That's not exactly an endorsement.
I don't mean to shock you, but normal women have normal needs, and porn
is not just "a guy thing." :-D
Tara
>Correct, Bruckman lets it be known to Mulder that of "all the ways to go,"
>autoerotic asphyxiation would be the best.
Didn't Clyde say that it would be the most undignified or humiliating way to
go? It definitely wasn't the best......
Heidi
::::::::with head in hands, rocking slowly::::::::::
"It just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter."
> In article <34A9A7...@telis.org>, Joe Mazzini <rom...@telis.org>
> writes:
>
> >Correct, Bruckman lets it be known to Mulder that of "all the ways to
> go,"
> >autoerotic asphyxiation would be the best.
>
> Didn't Clyde say that it would be the most undignified or humiliating
> way to
> go? It definitely wasn't the best....
The whole point of that statement was that Clyde himself dies of
autoerotic asphyxiation at the end of the show. He was foreseeing his
own death.
As for Mulder and porn, in the show with the guy with the tail (sorry
I'm not good with show titles) the guy impersonates Mulder and goes to
his apartment. He plays his phone messages and one is from a woman from
one of those phone-sex lines saying she misses his calls and offering a
discount for his next call. Also it is a running joke with Scully that
he reads pornographic magazines.
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>The whole point of that statement was that Clyde himself dies of autoerotic
>asphyxiation at the end of the show. He was foreseeing his own death.
No I don't think so. For it to be auto erotic and not just plain asphixiation
he would have to have derived sexual pleasure from it. And that I find highly
doubtful. He just asphixiated himself and it sure didn't look like he was
masturbating. Didn't he also have a pill bottle in his hands?
And the tears on his face indicated a deep sadness......not eroticisim.
¤Heidi
¤::::::::with head in hands, rocking slowly::::::::::
¤"It just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter."
Lars
who really think that the AEA thing gets a tad to much attention at times…
Does Mulder like porno? The evidence speaks for itself, he is more
than "a little" interested in girlie mags & film. Just read the
previous messages in this thread to see all the contextual evidence.
The question to me is this: without being judgmental of Mulders taste
(ahem!) in entertainment, what does his predilection for porno say
about the overall political bent of the series?
I guess what I am trying to ask is this: I find the underlying tone
of the series to be very conservative & right-wing, almost John Birch.
If you feel as I do then where does Mulders fascination with porno fit
in?
>
>The whole point of that statement was that Clyde himself dies of
>autoerotic asphyxiation at the end of the show. He was foreseeing his
>own death.
>
Woah! Sorry but I believe that.Clyde doesn't die of auterotic
asphyxiation; he is predicting that Mulder will. Clyde dies by suicide
- taking pills and sufficating himself. Auterotic asphyxiation (OK I
read this in a mystery book; don't get any ideas <g>) is when a person
achieves a heightened orgasm from blocking off air to the body while
masturbating...though I think the people who do this while having sex
with another person also might fall under this category (one partner
strangles the other - but stops before death - HOPEFULLY). Clyde is
therefore saying that Mulder will die this way - either intentionally
or not (let's hope that the accuracy of this prediction can be
altered!)
In the book (I forget who it was by - maybe Sue Grafton) the person
died by mistake, by hanging himself while masturbating.
Christine Tilden
>I guess what I am trying to ask is this: I find the underlying tone of the
>series to be very conservative & right-wing, almost John Birch. If you feel
>as I do then where does Mulders fascination with porno fit in?
I don't think there really is a political "tone" to the series. But if you
wanna look at in the context of the writers......isn't the overwhelming
majority of hollywood liberal? I would expect them to write what they know,
for the most part. No, I don't see a political overtone either towards
conservative or liberal. In fact, from Mulders (and now Scullys) point of
view, politics and politicians of any persuasion are bad.....or at least not to
be trusted in the slightest. I also think that Mulder exaggerates his own
facination with porn just to get a reaction from those around him. Nearly
every reference to porn has been made by him to Scully or the gunmen. I don't
deny that he has videos and magazines, I just don't think it as much a part of
him as he likes to have everybody believe. Mulder goes for a reaction in so
many of his comments, why would the porn references be any different. But,
don't get me wrong.....I don't have a problem with guys collecting videos
and/or magazines. To each his own. Whatever flips your switch.......as long
as its legal.
In my personal experience, guys 13-15 and men 40+ go through the
"porn phase." FM is an exception, and that is why I think he is
sexually repressed. (Hey, I know this comment belongs in some
weirdo TXF newsgroup and not this sane one, but this is the
best NG, and I only have time to read one, OK Meg, Laura, et. al?)
Considering all the anti-government paranoia in the show, if there's any
real political bent I'd have to say it's Libertarian -- the government
should stay out of people's lives except where it's absolutely necessary.
And since Libertarians don't advocate anti-porn laws, Mulder's little
hobby fits in just fine.
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>¤In article <34AB4E3E...@BLOCKccnet.com>, Valerie
>¤<valer...@BLOCKccnet.com> writes:
>¤
>¤>The whole point of that statement was that Clyde himself dies of autoerotic
>¤>asphyxiation at the end of the show. He was foreseeing his own death.
>That was my opinion the first time that I saw the episode. Since revisiting it,
>I've changed my mind. I think that the comment was directed towards Mulder,
>being the truth or a bizarre joke. Let's hope that we never have to find out...
>¤
>¤No I don't think so. For it to be auto erotic and not just plain asphixiation
>¤he would have to have derived sexual pleasure from it. And that I find highly
>¤doubtful. He just asphixiated himself and it sure didn't look like he was
>¤masturbating. Didn't he also have a pill bottle in his hands?
>Agreed.
>¤
>¤And the tears on his face indicated a deep sadness......not eroticisim.
>He did foresee that Scully would share his bed, and that would be tears in his
>eyes. That comes true in that scene.
>
>¤Heidi
>¤::::::::with head in hands, rocking slowly::::::::::
>¤"It just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter."
>
>Lars
>who really think that the AEA thing gets a tad to much attention at times…
>
>
>
He died of asphixiation and a drug overdose. Those wern't tears in his
eyes.It was condensation on the inside of the plastic he was wrapped
in.There was nothing erotic about it. He just couldn't stand to see
any more deaths.
¤ Those wern't tears in his
¤ eyes.It was condensation on the inside of the plastic he was wrapped
¤ in.
I’ve must have been hugely unclear. I refereed to CBs, poetically described by
him, vision of his own death, though he did not present it to Scully as such,
but as a love scene. Through the eyes of his mind, it was tears. What prop stuff
the team used on the set to create the illusion, that I don’t know of or care
about. This scene does, IMO, exclude the comments made to Mulder from being a
reference to his own [CBs] demise.
¤ There was nothing erotic about it.
I think that the two posts before yours in this thread stated that.
¤ He just couldn't stand to see any more deaths.
I do think that the character was a little more complex than that, and that it
does not deserve to be described like a cartoon figure cut out of cardboard.
If you, or anyone else, really need to discuss this further, then please e-mail
me.
Lars
who knows that he has written on this subject himself before, but has seen the
light and thinks that enough is enough….
>It's more a question of priorities. Mulder doesn't have the time
>or inclination to go out and find the right long-time companion (at
>the moment) - other things take precedence. OK, so maybe that
>*is* repression, technically. I guess I have always associated
>sexual repression with sublimation, with redirection into things *other*
>than sex (oh, you mean like newsgroups?)...so that one doesn't recognize
>the horniness for what it is. I believe Mulder does recognize it - and that's
>where the porn comes in.
Exactly and well said. If a facination, or at least an interest, in porn by
men can be likened to womens facination with reading erotica, both with the
same end result <g> then I am repressed as well. But ya know, that is *not*
what my past relationships tell me. ;-)
>In article <68i27e$o...@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>, radag...@worldnet.att.net
>writes:
>>I guess what I am trying to ask is this: I find the underlying tone of the
>>series to be very conservative & right-wing, almost John Birch. If you feel
>>as I do then where does Mulders fascination with porno fit in?
>I don't think there really is a political "tone" to the series. But if you
>wanna look at in the context of the writers......isn't the overwhelming
>majority of hollywood liberal? I would expect them to write what they know,
>for the most part. No, I don't see a political overtone either towards
>conservative or liberal. In fact, from Mulders (and now Scullys) point of
>view, politics and politicians of any persuasion are bad.....or at least not to
I agree that politics itself isn't the subject of the show, and that
political beliefs of its characters have very little or no importance
for its quality. However, show creators, as anyone else, have their own
political beliefs and those beliefs, intentionally or not, reflect on
some elements of the show.
I agree with you that the political overtone of the show isn't
conservative or liberal. I think it is very moderate - both critical
towards extremes on the Right and Left. Nicest example would be
"Darkness Falls" - bad guys are represented by both big-business Right
and tree-hugging Left.
>be trusted in the slightest. I also think that Mulder exaggerates his own
>facination with porn just to get a reaction from those around him. Nearly
>every reference to porn has been made by him to Scully or the gunmen. I don't
>deny that he has videos and magazines, I just don't think it as much a part of
>him as he likes to have everybody believe. Mulder goes for a reaction in so
>many of his comments, why would the porn references be any different. But,
>don't get me wrong.....I don't have a problem with guys collecting videos
>and/or magazines. To each his own. Whatever flips your switch.......as long
>as its legal.
I also agree that people shouldn't make such a big deal about Mulder's
fascination with porn. However, what should be interesting is the fact
that Mulder happens to be the first major character in mainstream
cinema/TV to have this "affliction". Before him, any cinema/TV character
who happened to own/watch porns was destined to be portrayed as the most
sleazy and despicable pervert. After XF it became easy to imagine people
who like porn as at least tolerable people who pay taxes, work hard for
their money, raise families and have all the characteristics of good
citizens and normal human beings. Of course, Mulder doesn't fit some of
the criteria, but he is more than normal - he is the Good Guy.
Dragan Antulov a.k.a. Drax
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>The fact that he is *really*(it seems to me) big on porns and is still the good
>guy is exactly what bothers me. Pornography becomes progressive and
>occaisonally addictive for many people, and *can* lead to sexual crimes(i.e.
>sexual criminals use a lot of pron, but not everyone who uses a lot of porn is
>a sexual criminal).
The link between pornography and sexual crimes, AFAIK, was never
established as scientific fact. It could even be argued that pornography
actually prevents sexual crimes allowing potential perpetrators to
satisfy their fantasies in socially more acceptable manner.
However, even if the link exist and the consumation of porn ranks
together with smoking, alcoholism, gambling or drug addiction, I would
say that it only makes the character of Mulder seriously flawed, thus
more realistic.
Personally, I think that Mulder's consumation of porn serves only to
illustrate his inability to satisfy sexual needs in serious romantic
relationship.
> Dragan Antulov a.k.a. Drax
> Fido: 2:381/100
> E-Mail: dragan....@st.tel.hr
> dragan....@altbbs.fido.hr
I don't think TXF has a political slant other than to say that it is
highly cynical, wouldn't you agree?