An assessment of PMP
Cynthia Reis
Teddi Litman wrote:
>
> In article <19971201024...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> ioc...@aol.com (Iocaste) wrote:
>
> >Ed Wood meets Edward Scissorhands ... looks like CC is a _major_ Tim Burton
> >fan.
> >
> No. CC is just paying homage to the same sources Tim Burton did.
But it sure sounded like Danny Elfman.
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Kashka
>
>And, in case it hasn't been mentioned, Polidori was the 4th player in the
>contest that led to the writing of Frankenstein -- the other 3 being Percy
>Shelley, Byron, and of course, Mary Shelley.
>
>
>Ann
>ioc...@aol.com
Ann, I am so impressed with that information. No kidding. I knew
Frankenstein was the result of several writers trying to create the most
horrifying story, but never knew who they were except for Mary and her
husband. Your post reminded me again of how sharp the X-Files writers are,
and how very tongue-in-cheek.
By the way, all through the episode, the newspaper writer reminded me of
some kind of bird ... at the end, I found out why.
Incidentally, I've seen all kinds of gross things on X-Files. For some
reason, blood, guts, monsters, slime and aberrations don't bother me, but I
definitely could have done WITHOUT the scene where the diner cook spits on
Mulder's egg. Yecch. I won't eat a sunnyside up egg for weeks after that
one!!!!
John W. Adkins
TONY445 wrote:
>
> Also....
>
> almost forgot...
>
> did anyone see some basic similarities with a Tales From the Crypt episode
> concerning a turn of the century freak who looked similar to the creature in
> this episode?????
>
> Ton...@AOL.COM
That episode was definitally running through my mind throughout the
whole episode, and when I saw what he looked like it brought that whole
episode back to me. It was very cool. This is already one of my favorite
episodes. Black and White does real well in the dark, especially with
torches as the main lighting. I'm going to watch this one a couple of
times again.
Chris Adkins
Teddi Litman
TONY445
Iocaste
>No. CC is just paying homage to the same sources Tim Burton did.
I know that's what CC _said_, but I don't think that's what he _did_ -- this
ep. looked, and sounded, a helluva lot more like Edward Scissorhands than Boris
Karloff. The soundtrack alone was pure Danny Elfman/Tim Burton.
Richard Arnold
The "circus"-style music reminded me of the score to David
Lynch's "The Elephant Man," which was probably another
inspiration for this episode.
Richard
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On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 04:35:56 GMT, *rar...@clark.net (Richard Arnold)
wrote:
>On 1 Dec 1997 03:43:02 GMT, ioc...@aol.com (Iocaste) wrote:
>
>>>No. CC is just paying homage to the same sources Tim Burton did.
>>
>>
>>I know that's what CC _said_, but I don't think that's what he _did_ -- this
>>ep. looked, and sounded, a helluva lot more like Edward Scissorhands than Boris
>>Karloff. The soundtrack alone was pure Danny Elfman/Tim Burton.
>>
>>
>The "circus"-style music reminded me of the score to David
>Lynch's "The Elephant Man," which was probably another
>inspiration for this episode.
>
*ahem* Takes a deep breath, and says, profoundly: "Me, too!"
The scene in the barn, when Mutato speaks to the townsfolk, also had
an "Elephant Man" feel to it, mixed in with the Frankenstein.
Actually, I found his speech very touching -- against my better
judgement when he got to the "multimedia centres" line. I also found
the burial scene in the barn very touching, as well. The best
off-the-wall episodes are the ones like Clyde Bruckman, where there's
a mighty element of poignancy mixed in with the zaniness.
Why did I write this? Because I can.
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Ms. Quickly-Krycek
Teddi Litman wrote in message <65t9ss$f...@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com>...
>In article <19971201024...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> ioc...@aol.com (Iocaste) wrote:
>
>>Ed Wood meets Edward Scissorhands ... looks like CC is a _major_ Tim
Burton
>>fan.
>>
>No. CC is just paying homage to the same sources Tim Burton did.
OK, I'm one who loved the ep to death, and reading this ng, with it's
divergent opinions (you know, the ones that tell me I'm obviously an idiot
for loving the ep) and it's way smart posters (the ones that fill me in on
the finer points of literature and film) makes me feel all warm and fuzzy...
But for how long has Mark Snow been hanging out with Danny Elfman? Don't get
me wrong - I loved the music too, but boy was it sounding Elfman-esque. I
for one can't wait to hear his music in THX surround sound.
For me, this ep reaffirms what I thought when I started watching X during
the 3rd season...
CC is a god.
DD is *adorable (not that I don't love MulderTorture and angst, but
sometimes it's nice to see him smile)
Mark Snow is a genius.
(that GA is brilliant has *always been evident)
Oh, and I never want to see *kissing or any such *schmoopiness going on
between Mulder and Scully, but CC can tease me all he wants with the UST.
Ms. Quickly-Krycek...
... who's never found a man in a suit and tie studly until the fantasy end
of the ep.
lynx mulderite
Ms. Quickly-Krycek wrote:
> Oh, and I never want to see *kissing or any such *schmoopiness going on
> between Mulder and Scully, but CC can tease me all he wants with the UST.
There's only a fine line between schmoopiness and lust IMHO :-)
> Ms. Quickly-Krycek...
> ... who's never found a man in a suit and tie studly until the fantasy end
> of the ep.
Oh yeeeeeeah. Very very studly. Enormously studly. This is how my
Armani!Mulder from Boys4Us will look, dancing under my Christmas tree.
Studly (but unfortunately only 11 inches....er....tall).
Actually, Ms. Q-K, I liked the episode too - fantasy dancing and
Elfman-Snow et al.
lynx
mulderite
Paula O'Keefe
Teddi Litman <dayb...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <19971201024...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> ioc...@aol.com (Iocaste) wrote:
>>Ed Wood meets Edward Scissorhands ... looks like CC is a _major_ Tim Burton
>>fan.
>>
>No. CC is just paying homage to the same sources Tim Burton did.
Well yeah, true, but the ep still had a strong Burton feel to it. All
my housemates mentioned "Scissorhands". And Snow's gorgeous music was
very Danny Elfman as well.
marti...@rocketmail.com
child of the redworld
jose bermudez
On 1 Dec 1997, Iocaste wrote:
> Ed Wood meets Edward Scissorhands ... looks like CC is a _major_ Tim Burton
> fan.
>
> And, in case it hasn't been mentioned, Polidori was the 4th player in the
> contest that led to the writing of Frankenstein -- the other 3 being Percy
> Shelley, Byron, and of course, Mary Shelley.
>
>
> Ann
> ioc...@aol.com
>
>
I would assume this episode was more a tribute to the late James
Whale..director of the Universal Frankenstein..rather than an homage to
Tim Burton
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Deletha D.
jose bermudez wrote:
<snip>
> I would assume this episode was more a tribute to the late James
> Whale..director of the Universal Frankenstein..rather than an homage to
> Tim Burton
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Have to agreee with you here. The entire thing was structured like the
old Frankenstein films. There's the monster searching for his bride.
He's physically hideous, but just wants to be happy. There's the mad
mob of townspeople and, of course, the nosy reporter. It was a very
good homage to these.
Of course, Tim Burton also owes a lot to these films, so perhaps that's
why people see the similarities.
Deletha D.
Peter La Casse
>>And, in case it hasn't been mentioned, Polidori was the 4th player in the
>>contest that led to the writing of Frankenstein -- the other 3 being Percy
>>Shelley, Byron, and of course, Mary Shelley.
>Ann, I am so impressed with that information. No kidding. I knew
>Frankenstein was the result of several writers trying to create the most
>horrifying story, but never knew who they were except for Mary and her
>husband. Your post reminded me again of how sharp the X-Files writers are,
>and how very tongue-in-cheek.
They even managed to keep the oxymoron of a mostly self-educated
monster with the vocabulary and speaking ability of an English
professor. I felt that it greatly enhanced the tongue-in-cheek
atmosphere of the episode.
Peter La Casse
m2...@utdallas.edu
TONY445 (ton...@aol.com) wrote:
> Also....
> almost forgot...
The story was just a derivation of Lynch's Elephant Man movie
Linda Terrell
In <19971201031...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, ton...@aol.com (TONY445) writes:
>Ahhhhh....
>
>Polidori was also the man to write VAMPYRE in that contest, which was the most
>popular vampire novel until Bram Stoker wrote Dracula some years later.
>
And the vampyre was based on George Gordon - Lord Byron -because "Polly
Dolly" and Byron had had a tiff.
Richard Arnold
On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 05:42:24 GMT, perse...@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 04:35:56 GMT, *rar...@clark.net (Richard Arnold)
>wrote:
>
>>The "circus"-style music reminded me of the score to David
>>Lynch's "The Elephant Man," which was probably another
>>inspiration for this episode.
>>
>
>*ahem* Takes a deep breath, and says, profoundly: "Me, too!"
>
>The scene in the barn, when Mutato speaks to the townsfolk, also had
>an "Elephant Man" feel to it, mixed in with the Frankenstein.
>Actually, I found his speech very touching -- against my better
>judgement when he got to the "multimedia centres" line. I also found
>the burial scene in the barn very touching, as well. The best
>off-the-wall episodes are the ones like Clyde Bruckman, where there's
>a mighty element of poignancy mixed in with the zaniness.
>
>Why did I write this? Because I can.
>
Actually, the scene in the barn reminded me of the penultimate
scene in "Young Frankenstein," when the monster (played by Peter
Boyle, who played Clyde Bruckman in an XF ep... coincidence?),
and who acquired the gift of speech through a brain transference
with Dr. Frankenstein, spoke eloquently to the mob about his
right to exist.
I don't know if the all of the influences -- Elephant Man, Mask,
Young Frankenstein, etc. -- were intentional. Certainly Mask and
the original Universal Studios' Frankenstein movies were.
R
damontegration
perse...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 04:35:56 GMT, *rar...@clark.net (Richard Arnold)
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>
> >>ep. looked, and sounded, a helluva lot more like Edward Scissorhands than Boris
> >>Karloff. The soundtrack alone was pure Danny Elfman/Tim Burton.
> >>
> >>
> >Lynch's "The Elephant Man," which was probably another
> >inspiration for this episode.
> >
>
> *ahem* Takes a deep breath, and says, profoundly: "Me, too!"
>
> The scene in the barn, when Mutato speaks to the townsfolk, also had
> an "Elephant Man" feel to it, mixed in with the Frankenstein.
somebody else mentioned tales from the crypt.
there was a definate tfc influence there.
looks like carter was going all out and combining
several camp sources.
neat thing was it's the first show i've seen to mention hox
genes, and carter actually got the science
right this time.
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