OT: Non-AOL Access to Newsgroup
Nadia
through AOL. How do you Non-AOL people gain access to the ng? I heard
something about dejavu.com or something like that. Just curious.
Nadia --> no, not the gymnast
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Boondoggler
> Since I use AOL (don't make fun of me), I have always had access to the ng
> through AOL. How do you Non-AOL people gain access to the ng? I heard
> something about dejavu.com or something like that. Just curious.
>
Step 1:
You get an ISP that has a newsfeed. (AOL has a newsfeed, but it doesn't
tell you the name of its newsservers. Therefore you can't use any other
software except the AOL newsreader with it. As an aside, the AOL
newsreader sucks. You can't see how the posts are threaded. The
quoting is not automatic. It doesn't put attributions in there. You
have to click on list or the message itself to see who posted which
message. You don't have any indication of length or size of each post
before you click on them.)
Step 2:
You get a newsreader. (i.e. Forte Agent, The one in Netscape
Communicator, Outlook Express..and for the Mac side of the world, YA
Newswatcher, MT Newswatcher, MacSoup... (Some of it you can pay for,
some you can download free off the web.)
The newsreader will ask you for the name of the newsserver.
(usually some variation of news.yourispnamehere.com
That's what tells the software where to look for your newsfeed. It then
sets off to go contact your newsserver and download all the posts you
want.
Good newsreaders are set up with all sorts of options to make reading
the group a joy and pleasure.
Dejanews is a site where all the posts (except the x-no-archive-yes)
posts get archived. It's a good place to go look up past posts. IMHO,
it too sucks as a newsreader. It's slow in both page loading and getting
timely posts.
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laura capozzola
> Dejanews is a site where all the posts (except the x-no-archive-yes)
> posts get archived. It's a good place to go look up past posts. IMHO,
> it too sucks as a newsreader. It's slow in both page loading and getting
> timely posts.
Did you ever go to look something up in a Deja power search and wind up
spending an hour or so reading old Deja threads? That happens to me a
lot. I get a big kick out of, for example, 1997 threads where I have no
idea whatsoever of what we were all talking about or worse, 1997 threads
where you can't believe you said what you did.
Another fun thing to do is see how REMARQ rates (with stars, no less)
and ranks posts.
Laura
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Molly
> Did you ever go to look something up in a Deja power search and wind up
> spending an hour or so reading old Deja threads? That happens to me a
> lot. I get a big kick out of, for example, 1997 threads where I have no
> idea whatsoever of what we were all talking about or worse, 1997 threads
> where you can't believe you said what you did.
I spent a looong time once reading very old post-ep posts about Syzygy and
also spoilers about upcoming episodes (3rd season). Very amusing, but not
very productive on my part.
--Molly :)
Boondoggler
>
> Did you ever go to look something up in a Deja power search and wind up
> spending an hour or so reading old Deja threads? That happens to me a
> lot. I get a big kick out of, for example, 1997 threads where I have no
> idea whatsoever of what we were all talking about or worse, 1997 threads
> where you can't believe you said what you did.
Yes! That's so much fun. Sometimes I even go without the excuse of a
particular search. I just pick a day randomly and then following the
threads of the day.
Jen (is not a potato)
laura capozzola <laur...@erols.com> opined pensively:
>Another fun thing to do is see how REMARQ rates (with stars, no less)
>and ranks posts.
Yes, but HOW does REMARQ come by those ratings? Who decides which
threads and posts are worth **** or *? I read their FAQ and it didn't
say. I MUST know!
Jen
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Adora
> Boondoggler wrote:
>
> > Dejanews is a site where all the posts (except the x-no-archive-yes)
> > posts get archived. It's a good place to go look up past posts. IMHO,
> > it too sucks as a newsreader. It's slow in both page loading and getting
> > timely posts.
>
> spending an hour or so reading old Deja threads? That happens to me a
> lot. I get a big kick out of, for example, 1997 threads where I have no
> idea whatsoever of what we were all talking about or worse, 1997 threads
> where you can't believe you said what you did.
I do this way more often than I would care to admit ;-)
> Another fun thing to do is see how REMARQ rates (with stars, no less)
> and ranks posts.
I have never been to REMARQ, but I'm going now!
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Adora
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Binah
> Nadia <nka...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > How do you Non-AOL people gain access to the ng? I heard something
> >about dejavu.com or something like that. Just curious.
> >
> Step 1:
> You get an ISP that has a newsfeed. (AOL has a newsfeed, but it
> doesn't tell you the name of its newsservers. Therefore you can't
> use any other software except the AOL newsreader with it.
Wouldn't it be news.aol.com? At least that's how most ISPs do it.
Then again, you don't see the "ladder" stuff in non-AOL headers. Seems
like AOL treats it's customers like mushrooms. (Keep 'em in the dark
and...)
> As an
> aside, the AOL newsreader sucks. You can't see how the posts are
> threaded. The quoting is not automatic. It doesn't put attributions
> in there. You have to click on list or the message itself to see who
> posted which message. You don't have any indication of length or
> size of each post before you click on them.)
I used the AOL newsreader once at a relative's house. I really thought
it was just not configured by the user and couldn't possibly be that
unhelpful. It was for only one night, so I didn't hunt too hard
to "fix" it. Yikes! Threaded messages are a must. I would hate not
knowing what size posts are. How would you avoid spammers or idiots
that are posting binaries or worse?
How do AOLers pick what posts are worth reading if you don't know who
wrote the post or what it was in response to or how big it is?
> Step 2:
> You get a newsreader. (i.e. Forte Agent, The one in Netscape
> Communicator, Outlook Express..and for the Mac side of the world, YA
> Newswatcher, MT Newswatcher, MacSoup... (Some of it you can pay for,
> some you can download free off the web.)
I'm using Outook Express 5, and Boonie seems to be using MacSoup. Many
of the regulars here use Forte Agent.
> Good newsreaders are set up with all sorts of options to make reading
> the group a joy and pleasure.
I can't imagine spending as much time as I do on the ng if I had to do
it with the AOL constraints. But I'd have to assume that new 5.0
version I keep seeing commercials for must have better ng options. At
least I hope for our poor AOL brethren.
> Dejanews is a site where all the posts (except the x-no-archive-yes)
> posts get archived. It's a good place to go look up past posts.
> IMHO,it too sucks as a newsreader. It's slow in both page loading and
> getting timely posts.
It's not speedy, but at least it threads the messages now. RemarQ is
speedier when reading threads since you download the whole thread on a
page, but I like the visual clarity of the threading. I agree 100%
with Boonie, Deja's major strength is its archive. It's especially
useful for looking up posting histories of individual posters or
researching certain subjects.
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Binah
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Nadia wrote:
> Since I use AOL (don't make fun of me), I have always had access to the ng
> through AOL. How do you Non-AOL people gain access to the ng? I heard
> something about dejavu.com or something like that. Just curious.
>
> Nadia --> no, not the gymnast
>
> "Mulder, it's me."
> -Scully in The X-files
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This is an Usenet newsgroup and is available to anyone who has
an Internet Service Provider that offers access to the newsgroup
alt.tv.x-files. Internet Service Providers are not required to provide
alt. groups, but most will do so if a request is made to them.
Usenet newsgroups are different from proprietary "Chat Rooms"
carried solely on AOL and available only to their customers.
Mike Walsh
Crazy Chick
>
>How do AOLers pick what posts are worth reading if you don't know who
>wrote the post or what it was in response to or how big it is?
I read everything and rely on quoting to know what it's responding to. I don't
pay attention to size.
<snippage>
>I can't imagine spending as much time as I do on the ng if I had to do
>it with the AOL constraints. But I'd have to assume that new 5.0
>version I keep seeing commercials for must have better ng options. At
>least I hope for our poor AOL brethren.
>
I use 3.0. Feel free to laugh. I don't want any of the newer versions,
because it just looks like more razzledazzle and more annoying features. I
tried 4.0 on a friends computer one time and absolutely hated it.
Crazy Chick
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D!S!DB, Samurai SMUTster
XFW#42; WotF Mistress-, *I*
Binah
> Binah wrote:
> >
> >How do AOLers pick what posts are worth reading if you don't know who
> >wrote the post or what it was in response to or how big it is?
>
> I read everything and rely on quoting to know what it's responding to. I
don't
> pay attention to size.
>
Oh jeez, I feel like the average American looking at the life a poor Third
World girl who sold her finger to buy a chicken head to feed her family.
> <snippage>
>
> I use 3.0. Feel free to laugh. I don't want any of the newer versions,
> because it just looks like more razzledazzle and more annoying features.
I
> tried 4.0 on a friends computer one time and absolutely hated it.
> Crazy Chick
I've heard that "I hate the new version of X" tale a few times. I just have
to say you ought to give newer versions of programs a chance. They really
are usually better. It just takes time to get used to it. The transition
period can be rough, but it's usually worth it. New features generally
gives you more control of your environment.
I knew IE/Outlook Express 4 like the back of my hand. I upgraded to IE/OE5
and all of a sudden I didn't know how to do some of the basic things that I
hadn't given a thought to forever. OE5 even looked dramatically different.
It sucks having to set up your filters and reading preferences all over. In
OE4, your filters/preferences applied to all groups. In OE5, you set up
preferences for each particular ng. I thought I was going crazy thinking my
preferences has 'unset' themselves when I'd switch ngs.
In another cute move, OE decided to change the wording of 'download marked
threads' to 'synchronize newsgroup'. I was so damned confused and
frustrated for awhile. The situation improved and then got even better. I
realized I was working with a much better (and prettier) program.
So all I'm saying is don't be afraid of newer versions of programs.
--
Binah
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Boondoggler
> Boon...@aol.com (Boondoggler) wrote:
> > Nadia <nka...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > How do you Non-AOL people gain access to the ng? I heard something
> > >about dejavu.com or something like that. Just curious.
> > >
> > Step 1:
> > You get an ISP that has a newsfeed. (AOL has a newsfeed, but it
> > doesn't tell you the name of its newsservers. Therefore you can't
> > use any other software except the AOL newsreader with it.
>
> Wouldn't it be news.aol.com? At least that's how most ISPs do it.
> Then again, you don't see the "ladder" stuff in non-AOL headers. Seems
> like AOL treats it's customers like mushrooms. (Keep 'em in the dark
> and...)
Nope, it's not news.aol.com.
> > As an
> > aside, the AOL newsreader sucks. You can't see how the posts are
> > threaded. The quoting is not automatic. It doesn't put attributions
> > in there. You have to click on list or the message itself to see who
> > posted which message. You don't have any indication of length or
> > size of each post before you click on them.)
>
> I used the AOL newsreader once at a relative's house. I really thought
> it was just not configured by the user and couldn't possibly be that
> unhelpful. It was for only one night, so I didn't hunt too hard
> to "fix" it. Yikes! Threaded messages are a must. I would hate not
> knowing what size posts are. How would you avoid spammers or idiots
> that are posting binaries or worse?
Well they do thread them, but they put it all in one big thread. There
is no subthreading within the original thread.
> How do AOLers pick what posts are worth reading if you don't know who
> wrote the post or what it was in response to or how big it is?
When all the threads come up, you can highlight a thread and then click
list. Up will pop a window of the posters' names and the size of the
post. However, having to do this for each thread to judge it's
reading-worthiness is time consuming and extrememly annoying.
They also don't seem to have a way to indicate if a reply to your post
has come through. I would hate to have to remember which threads I
posted to if I wanted to make sure I read the responses to my posts.
Another thing I hate is that I can't seem to find a way to click,
highlight and drag and mark all highlighted messages read. So you
either have to do it a thread at a time, or all of them at once.
<snip>
>
> I can't imagine spending as much time as I do on the ng if I had to do
> it with the AOL constraints. But I'd have to assume that new 5.0
> version I keep seeing commercials for must have better ng options. At
> least I hope for our poor AOL brethren.
I don't read half as much stuff I would normally read when I go visiting
my parents and read through AOL. It's just that annoying.
Miss Moo
>When all the threads come up, you can highlight a thread and then click
>list. Up will pop a window of the posters' names and the size of the
>post. However, having to do this for each thread to judge it's
>reading-worthiness is time consuming and extrememly annoying.
>
Heh. You can? Well, you learn something new every day.
Marita--off to play w/ her still shitty newsreader
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Jim
considered view:
> I'm using Outook Express 5, and Boonie seems to be using MacSoup. Many
> of the regulars here use Forte Agent.
MicroPlanet Gravity all the way for me :)
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Bill k.
"Adora" <hea...@nospam.ctaz.com> wrote:
> "laura capozzola" <laur...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> > Another fun thing to do is see how REMARQ rates (with stars, no
less)
> > and ranks posts.
>
> I have never been to REMARQ, but I'm going now!
I say we mailbomb the bastards.Our engagement post only got 1 star.
Bill k.
FEB
> Adora
> Cherry Sundae
> FEB
>
> "Screw you guys. I'm goin' home."
>
>
Adora
> "Adora" <hea...@nospam.ctaz.com> wrote:
> > "laura capozzola" <laur...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> > > Another fun thing to do is see how REMARQ rates (with stars, no
> > > less) and ranks posts.
> >
> > I have never been to REMARQ, but I'm going now!
>
> I say we mailbomb the bastards.Our engagement post only got 1 star.
Damn them!! That's it! Boycott RemarQ!
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