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"Never Again" Review
By Autumn Tysko

"This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."

This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode. Mulder
and Scully do not behave in the way that in our perfect world we want them
to behave towards each other, but guess what? The world isn't perfect.
Relationships aren't perfect. Mulder and Scully aren't perfect, and angst
abounds. This doesn't, in my opinion, make their behavior in this episode
the least bit out of character. This isn't a "Syzygy" with no planets to
blame. It was instead an intriguing look into a rough spot in this
relationship, their motivations, and both the characters. What writers
Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we care about and who
care about each other avoiding talking about the real problems that they
have and what happens because of it. The bloom is off the rose for Scully.

Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when Mulder
orders her around, and her frustration at being continually ditched by her
partner. This is about a lot more than desk or a nameplate, it is about
control. Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells here,
to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she has stood
up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past. It is as if she feels
the need to do something out of character to get out of the rut - to keep
from swallowing her own tail - to define herself differently from whom
that authority figure - that she needs and wants - would have her be.

The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful we've
ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she has been
drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another one of
Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - a "poorly
veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How appropriate
that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes shows up at this
time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling Moose than he is here
- constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong things. As a contemplative
Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in like a hurricane telling her all
about a vacation he must take and doling out assignments for her. David
Duchovny is wonderful in this scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully
of "abandoning" him (like *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when
Scully hits him with "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to
petulant as he starts his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder)
"this work is my life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You
don't want it to be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish
little world as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

And why doesn't she have a desk? Why does she have "an area" in the back?
I'm surprised it took her this long to start in on Mulder about this.
Oops. Sorry, just the Scullyist in me getting worked up there.

So where does an Elvis obsessed investigator go for vacation? Why
Graceland of course, but in his attempt to hurt Scully back a little more
for his feelings of rejection he won't even tell her where he is going
when she asks with resigned emotion in her voice. Spiritual journey
indeed. At least the guilt appeared to set in somewhat as he did a cell
phone reception dance trying to call just to see how she was doing -
though I doubt that was all he was calling for as his next call continues
to rub Scully the wrong way. Poor clueless Mulder is at "that special
place" complete with a new winner in the scary shades category and wants
to share - oh, and check up on her. Bad move Moose.

Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than Scully. As
usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny moments of brilliance
with which she paints this character. So what is Scully looking for here?
I don't think that she even knows. She tells Ed "Sometimes I wish I were
that impulsive" and his reply "Careful what you wish for" couldn't have
been more apt. Somewhat surprised at Ed's initial overture she manages an
"I'd like that" answer to his date before her Scully filter kicks in and
she thinks it wiser to lie about leaving town. It is only when Mulder
sends her over the edge again as he easily tracks her down due to her
predictable nature, questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks
her about a date that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder.
"I did as told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk
is. In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed celebrates
the moment by self mutilation.

Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun since
joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen Ross" came
out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only long term
relationship was with an older authority figure which falls in with her
"there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So, Scully opts for
the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're feeling down, has a
few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes philosophic about her choices, and
then decides to act impulsively - not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting
the tattoo she deserves - in what turns out to be a scene with
surprisingly sexual overtones. When they go back to Ed's place and she
tries to play Doctor the episode cops out in ambiguity - I'm not saying
that Scully should have slept with him, but for some reason they were
afraid to even do more than imply a kiss despite all those serious looks
and heavy breathing.

Now we reach "the morning after" and despite not getting any that's not
how it looks to the other detectives much to her chagrin. We learn about
hallucinogenic ergotism and Action! Scully gets another workout. She
wasn't too successful despite fighting pretty darn dirty - you'd think
Scully of all people would know better than to run into the bathroom on
The X-Files - she is rewarded by being tossed into a door. Thwap.

As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling final
scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more depressed
than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move fueled by his
confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her second appearance in
the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a desk?" No, Mulder all
this because you didn't have a clue.

Random Musings
-------------------------
-This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an episode
before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How folks can
continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves on obviously
exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots" rumor among others
was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a motivation for Scully.

-The "stunt" casting of the show with Jodie Foster playing "Winky" the
wonder tattoo worked for me - it was clear that Foster relished her chance
to lend her voice - her maniacal laugh as Ed prepared to make Scully
flambe' combined with that music and the fire lit cinematography was
really quite eerie. How dare that tattoo call Scully a "cheap redhead"
though.

-What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys": "I get
tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about wanting to
be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that loud and then I
had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to kick her door down
without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar scene a song by the
group X.

-The bird cage liner for the Partridge Family girl was *too* funny. A mock
Entertainment Weekly featuring a picture of Co-Executive Producer Bob
Goodwin with the headline "The Wisest Man in Hollywood".

-I spotted a time line reference on the report Mulder hands to Scully. The
case was opened January 13, 1997.

-Anyone else get a kick out of the names Mulder handed her? I caught
references to various vodkas including Smirnoff and Popov.

-Who can blame her for not wanting to go to Philly. Not only was the case
weak, but the ever sensitive Mulder booked her a middle seat.

-So the "Batphone" in The X-Files office is complete with a big "X" on
their special hotline.

-Talk about your "red light" district that tattoo shop at night just
glowed.

-I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room in
that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him he
would have at least had her name on the door by the time she returned, but
nooooo.

-Did we really need to have a permanent reminder of Millennium indelibly
marked on Scully's back?

-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed (and
you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not only does
he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the morning she still
has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet. What woman would have sex
and then put pantyhose back on - I rest my case.

-You'll find this URL for the Forensic Information Database in Scully's
bookmark file: http://fbi.lab.rl.fns.gov/FORENSICS/chem/haluc.drugs.html

Autumn
"I've always gone around in this circle."

Autumn Tysko
"Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
My episode reviews now available at:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
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Alyssa Fernandez

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Aut...@aol.com wrote:

> -The bird cage liner for the Partridge Family girl was *too* funny. A mock
> Entertainment Weekly featuring a picture of Co-Executive Producer Bob Goodwin
> with the headline "The Wisest Man in Hollywood".

After discussing the bird cage liner with a fellow COGster, I realized
it was even better insult than I'd first thought. The girl had just
been visited by Jehovah's Witnesses, and could have used some of the
tracts that they were handing out. Instead she decided that EW was more
deserving of bird droppings.

Alyssa,
Who was terrorized for two solid months this summer by Witnesses and
still shudders when someone rings the doorbell.

Rufie710

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Once again ,Autumn, you astound me -excellent piece. By the way , do you
write professionally??
Ruth , impressed.

--
rufie710
"I tried Reality once, I found it too confining"

Bernardine

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aut...@aol.com wrote:

>-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed (and
>you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not only does
>he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the morning she still
>has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet. What woman would have sex
>and then put pantyhose back on - I rest my case.

Now who's in denial? <tsking> Maybe they were anklets or knee-highs
and she put them BACK on as she was getting dressed in the morning --
more typical choice for pants anyway. Would you walk around that
apartment in bare feet?

Sorry, but the preponderance of the evidence (including Ed's glowing
little face the next day -- I thought he was going to propose)
suggests otherwise, the pantyhose evidence is shaky and open to
different interpretations.

*If the shirt didn't fit -- you MUST convict!*

- Bernardine


Coleen Sullivan-Baier

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In <19970203224...@ladder01.news.aol.com> aut...@aol.com
writes:

>-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed
>(and you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not
>only does he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the
>morning she still has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet.
>What woman would have sex and then put pantyhose back on


Maybe she never took them off.....kinda makes your toes
curl up, don't it???

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


Nick Pedicini

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Bernardine <pett...@istar.ca> wrote in article
<5d60pu$j...@news.istar.ca>...

> aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed (and
> >you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not only
does
> >he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the morning she still
> >has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet. What woman would have
sex
> >and then put pantyhose back on - I rest my case.
>
> Now who's in denial? <tsking> Maybe they were anklets or knee-highs
> and she put them BACK on as she was getting dressed in the morning --
> more typical choice for pants anyway. Would you walk around that
> apartment in bare feet?
>

I once knew a young lady who had regular afternoon assignations with a
young gentleman in the back of his vehicle during their respective lunch
hours. There was neither the time nor opportunity to disrobe and she would
usually show up at the office with a package containing a new pair of
pantyhose. I must tell you that one of the funniest moments I've ever had
was when the housekeeping fellow emptied her trash can, fished out a pair
of crumpled hose and mutely held them up to the whole office to revealing
this gaping hole.......


NJP

Nick Pedicini

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Coleen Sullivan-Baier <giz...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5d6433$o...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>...
> In <19970203224...@ladder01.news.aol.com> aut...@aol.com

> writes:
>
> >-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed
> >(and you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not
> >only does he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the
> >morning she still has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet.
> >What woman would have sex and then put pantyhose back on
>
>
> Maybe she never took them off.....kinda makes your toes
> curl up, don't it???
>

Well, they didn't have any condoms around, did they? Some of those Hanes
are so tightly woven they aren't even *gas* permeable.....

NJP

Richard K Lingenfelter

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Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead
of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the
> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.
I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."



> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder
is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?


> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I
laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p



> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman
cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling
> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)
has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>
> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name
calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":
> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching
MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room
> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.



> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--
"Open yourself to extreme possibilities."

Richard K Lingenfelter

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Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

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Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to rkls...@pitt.edu

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to rkls...@pitt.edu

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

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Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to rlh...@stulab.sfcpa.edu

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to rlh...@stulab.sfcpa.edu

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

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Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

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Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

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Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

unread,
Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
to

Some selective snipping follows.

aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

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aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

--

Richard K Lingenfelter

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aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> "Never Again" Review
> By Autumn Tysko
>
> "This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
> This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy
> episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode.

Quite. Scully of course is the more unhappy of the two. And instead


of _telling_ us how lost and lonely she feels, Dana tells us with her
expressions. Now if only that boneheaded Moose of a partner of hers
could see that something is not quite right with her.

> What writers Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we > care about and who care about each other avoiding talking about the

> real problems that they have and what happens because of it. The bloom > is off the rose for Scully.
>
> Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
> frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
> from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when
> Mulder orders her around, and her frustration at being continually
> ditched by her partner.

No doubt about it, Mulder was more of an ass here than in most outings.


I'm sure we'll be debating as to why he acts the way he does. I have
two thoughts on that. First, he's a man on a mission. What matters to
him is "The Truth," or at least the truth he wants to find. What if,
after all his searching, he found that history had not unfolded as he
had imagined, that he had deluded himself? Or that his whole career
with the X-Files was merely a dream, or that he was actually an agent of
The Conspiracy, brainwashed into thinking that he was on a sacred quest,
having been given the memories of his sister's abduction as motivation,
and set loose to test the security of the secrets that CSM and his
healthier (and more well-manicured) cronies hold? I know you're out
there, Nowhere Man fans!
Another possibility is that he doesn't want to get too close to
anyone,and uses his brand of humor and his... uhhh... abrasiveness to
keep people away. Of course he pushes Scully away the most. She's
taken the place in his life that his sister used to occupy. He's given
up the chance to Have Samantha back in order to save Scully. Ahhh,
saving Scully, that wondrous pasttime. "Scully in jeoapardy. Must
save." And yes, she has the "Mulder in jeoapardy. Must save" mantra in
her head. And of course there's "David's on Jeoapardy. But no one can
save him now."

> Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion against
> authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells > here, to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she > has stood up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past.

She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what Mulder


is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
behavior just a guy thing?

> The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful
> we've ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she
> has been drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another >one of Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - > a "poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How > appropriate that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes
> shows up at this time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling > Moose than he is here - constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong > things. As a contemplative Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in
> like a hurricane telling her all about a vacation he must take and
> doling out assignments for her. David Duchovny is wonderful in this
> scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully of "abandoning" him (like
> *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when Scully hits him with
> "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to petulant as he starts > his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder) "this work is my
> life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You don't want it to > be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish little world > as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk thing.

Being new here, I never heard the Rocky & Bullwinkle references, but I


laughed my ass off anyway!! It's great when TV characters talk about TV
shows. It's so spooky. Like some weird meta-fiction gone terribly
right.
What's up with Fox? I know we're supposed to not like him a little
more right now, but still, he's more caustic than necessary here. Maybe
chasing the Consortium and their alien allies around is taking its toll.
Wasn't it Nietschze or one of those dour philosopher guys who said
something like, 'Be careful when you stare into the void, that it does
not stare into you,' or something as equally pithy and depressing? I
think it fits. My personal favorite line of philosophy is, "We demand
rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" :-p

> Above all this is clearly Gillian Anderson's show as she is given the
> chance to explore a much more personal side to Dana rather than
> Scully. As usual she gives us work filled with hundreds of tiny
> moments of brilliance with which she paints this character. So what is > Scully looking for here? I don't think that she even knows. She tells > Ed "Sometimes I wish I were that impulsive" and his reply "Careful
> what you wish for" couldn't have been more apt. Somewhat surprised at
> Ed's initial overture she manages an "I'd like that" answer to his
> date before her Scully filter kicks in and she thinks it wiser to lie
> about leaving town. It is only when Mulder sends her over the edge
> again as he easily tracks her down due to her predictable nature,
> questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks her about a date
> that she decides to retaliate against herself and Mulder. "I did as
> told. As always." isn't the answer for her here - taking a risk is.
> In the scene where Scully paces and asks Ed out Anderson gives us a
> great moment of nervous insecurity - unfortunately for her, Ed
> celebrates the moment by self mutilation.
>
> Scully has, as we've all speculated, been living the life of a nun
> since joining the X-Files. For those who don't know "Glengarry Glen
> Ross" came out in 1992. From what we know her last and perhaps only
> long term relationship was with an older authority figure which falls > in with her "there are other fathers" comment along with Mulder. So,
> Scully opts for the crummy bar as it is a good place to go when you're > feeling down, has a few drinks (though is not drunk), waxes
> philosophic about her choices, and then decides to act impulsively -
> not by sleeping with Ed, but by getting the tattoo she deserves - in
> what turns out to be a scene with surprisingly sexual overtones.

Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this woman


cannot do? I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian (we have a
mature realationship, so we can talk in an objective manner about
beautiful actresses with pouty lips, alluring eyes, great... oh, ahhh,
never mind), and she couldn't believe that she's not even thirty yet,
given the way she plays the character

> As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling

> final scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more
> depressed than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move
> fueled by his confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her
> second appearance in the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a > desk?" No, Mulder all this because you didn't have a clue.

Isn't it weird that Gillian's personal life (vis a vis Clyde and Piper)


has been in the news again, the same time that the show is revisiting
parts of Scully's life that were explored last time Gillian's life was
so public? nothing profound to say, I just think its weird.

>

> Random Musings
> -------------------------
> -This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an
> episode before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How
> folks can continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves
> on obviously exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots"
> rumor among others was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a
> motivation for Scully.

Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name


calling to Congressmen and journalists.

> -What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys":

> "I get tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about > wanting to be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that
> loud and then I had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to
> kick her door down without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar
> scene a song by the group X.

The music caught me by surprise. For awhile, i thought I was watching


MTV. I think it made the episode seem more surreal, like things were
not quite as they usually are, even on this show.

> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room

> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
> returned, but nooooo.

When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.


> Autumn
> "I've always gone around in this circle."
>
> Autumn Tysko
> "Are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
> My episode reviews now available at:
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1411/main_rev.html
> or email me for mailing list information

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In article <5d6kpp$a...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Richard K Lingenfelter
<rkl...@pitt.edu> wrote:

> I was talking to my girlfriend about Giliian and she couldn't believe that
> she's not even thirty yet, given the way she plays the character.

I've always thought that TPTB would always alter her hair and wardrobe to
change the 'feel' of her look. I was really confused when I started
catching up by watching all of the first season shows because she looks so
much younger and inexperienced. When I compared later I noticed that it
was mostly in the way they changed her hairstyle and the shapes of her
outfits. We have 'Fresh out of the Academy' Scully, 'Matronly and
Protective Trenchcoat' Scully 'Boots and Slacks Action' Scully and in NA
it's 'Super-Model' Scully with the very flat and straight hair (gives her
face a more tapered look) and something about her outfit that gave us the
vague suspicion that she has a Waist <gasp!> under there somewhere.

rich lingenfelter

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"Would you say that I have sent a plethora of replies?"
"Si, senor."
"Do you know what a plethora is?"
"Si, senor.... uhhhh, no, senor."
"Do not use a word you don't know the meaning of!"

I guess I should not use mailers that I don't understand.
Sorry about the multitude of my replies.

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In article <5d60pu$j...@news.istar.ca>, pett...@istar.ca (Bernardine)
writes:

>Now who's in denial? <tsking> Maybe they were anklets or knee-highs
>and she put them BACK on as she was getting dressed in the morning --
>more typical choice for pants anyway. Would you walk around that
>apartment in bare feet?
>
So, what you are saying is that they had sex and then instead of sleeeping
together afterwards Ed got up and got completely dressed and slept on the
couch and Dana also got dressed and slept in the bed? it couldn't just be
that he loaned her a shirt to be more comfortable?

I'm not against her having sex like some people - in fact I wish they'd
been less ambiguous, but I just can't see given the way that it was
presented that they slept together.

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Richard,

Thanks for your comments... all of them ;-)

In article <5d6lhc$a...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Richard K Lingenfelter


<rkl...@pitt.edu> writes:
> She rebels against authority, but what is he for? We know what
Mulder
>is for, but what about Scully? We know that, as opposed to Fox who's
>mainly interested in "The Big Picture," Dana shows more concern for the
>victims of the cases they investigate. This is indeed noble, but what
>underlying vision motivates Scully? Does she have a life-goal, an
>achievement she wants to accomplish? Or is this whole goal-oriented
>behavior just a guy thing?

Good questions - and they go to the oft asked questions of why does she
stay with the X-Files - what is she getting out of all this. These
questions have been postulated time and time again here, but really never
by Scully - all we know is that she says she loves her job or that she too
wants to find the answers - maybe it is as simple as that. I wish we knew.

> Pleasantly surprising sexual overtones. Is there anything this
woman
>cannot do?

She's an amazingly talented actress. How lucky we are to have her.

> Right on, sister. I thought we left baseless speculation and name
>calling to Congressmen and journalists.

Apparantly not.

>> -I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room
>> in that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him
>> he would have at least had her name on the door by the time she
>> returned, but nooooo.
>
> When all this is over, he had better get her _something_.

I'm not holding my breath. This is Moose we are talking about...

Linda M Rosland

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: In article <5d60pu$j...@news.istar.ca>, pett...@istar.ca (Bernardine)


: writes:
:
: >Now who's in denial? <tsking> Maybe they were anklets or knee-highs
: >and she put them BACK on as she was getting dressed in the morning --
: >more typical choice for pants anyway. Would you walk around that
: >apartment in bare feet?

: >

aut...@aol.com wrote:
: So, what you are saying is that they had sex and then instead of sleeeping


: together afterwards Ed got up and got completely dressed and slept on the
: couch and Dana also got dressed and slept in the bed? it couldn't just be
: that he loaned her a shirt to be more comfortable?
:
: I'm not against her having sex like some people - in fact I wish they'd
: been less ambiguous, but I just can't see given the way that it was
: presented that they slept together.
:
: Autumn Tysko

I don't know, after that tattoo scene...that was big time foreplay, how
could they not have sex?

LindaR

nel...@vax1.mankato.msus.edu

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In article <01bc1240$91134f60$32d2...@netcom.ix.netcom.com>, "Nick Pedicini" <jny...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> Coleen Sullivan-Baier <giz...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
> <5d6433$o...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>...
>> In <19970203224...@ladder01.news.aol.com> aut...@aol.com
>> writes:
>>
>> >-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed
>> >(and you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not
>> >only does he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the
>> >morning she still has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet.
>> >What woman would have sex and then put pantyhose back on
>>
>>
>>

Well what woman goes to bed with her pantyhose still on? That makes
even less sense to me. I HATE the things and get out of them as soon
as possible. I decided she was wearing his shirt when the detectives
knocked, but put on pants and hose before answering the door. Full of
holes, I know, but it's my brain.

Denise A. Agnew

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In article <5d8eo3$n...@uwm.edu>, Linda M Rosland
<lin...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> writes

:) Lots of people get to the point of imagining making love with each
other and having a "foreplay of sorts" but never do the deed. I thing
CC and company having the audience wonder and wonder and wonder...
--
Denise A. Agnew

Jolo

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In article <19970204194...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, aut...@aol.com
wrote:

> Richard,
>
> Thanks for your comments... all of them ;-)

All 30 copies? Heh, I knew Autumn's reviews rox, but I was still surprised
to see the thread grow over 40 articles long!

> Autumn Tysko

Richard: get a real news reader, Netscape sux, and in any event, next time
just hit "send" once. :)

Jolo

aut...@aol.com

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Per some requests I am reposting ...

>"Never Again" Review
>By Autumn Tysko
>
>"This isn't about you. Well maybe it is indirectly."
>
>This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
>everything to do with him - indirectly of course. This isn't an easy

>episode to watch, but it is fascinating. It isn't a happy episode. Mulder
>and Scully do not behave in the way that in our perfect world we want
them
>to behave towards each other, but guess what? The world isn't perfect.
>Relationships aren't perfect. Mulder and Scully aren't perfect, and angst
>abounds. This doesn't, in my opinion, make their behavior in this episode
>the least bit out of character. This isn't a "Syzygy" with no planets to
>blame. It was instead an intriguing look into a rough spot in this
>relationship, their motivations, and both the characters. What writers


>Morgan and Wong have given us is two characters that we care about and
who
>care about each other avoiding talking about the real problems that they
>have and what happens because of it. The bloom is off the rose for
Scully.
>
>Actually, it has been a long time coming. We've seen hints at this
>frustration on her part for a while now - the conversation on the rock
>from "Quagmire", her edgy "what are you going to do?" replies when Mulder
>orders her around, and her frustration at being continually ditched by
her

>partner. This is about a lot more than desk or a nameplate, it is about
>control. Scully has always had an interesting history of rebellion


against
>authority from the "Beyond the Sea" cigarette story that she retells
here,
>to joining the FBI against her family's wishes, to the way she has stood

>up to both Skinner and the OPC folks in the past. It is as if she feels
>the need to do something out of character to get out of the rut - to keep
>from swallowing her own tail - to define herself differently from whom
>that authority figure - that she needs and wants - would have her be.

>
>The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful we've
>ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she has been
>drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another one of
>Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - a
"poorly
>veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle". How appropriate
>that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes shows up at this
>time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling Moose than he is
here
>- constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong things. As a
contemplative
>Scully ponders her life Mulder blows in like a hurricane telling her all
>about a vacation he must take and doling out assignments for her. David
>Duchovny is wonderful in this scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully
>of "abandoning" him (like *he* can even begin to talk) to defensive when
>Scully hits him with "That makes it sound like you're my superior" to
>petulant as he starts his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder)
>"this work is my life" speech to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You
>don't want it to be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish
>little world as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk
thing.
>

>And why doesn't she have a desk? Why does she have "an area" in the back?
>I'm surprised it took her this long to start in on Mulder about this.
>Oops. Sorry, just the Scullyist in me getting worked up there.
>
>So where does an Elvis obsessed investigator go for vacation? Why
>Graceland of course, but in his attempt to hurt Scully back a little more
>for his feelings of rejection he won't even tell her where he is going
>when she asks with resigned emotion in her voice. Spiritual journey
>indeed. At least the guilt appeared to set in somewhat as he did a cell
>phone reception dance trying to call just to see how she was doing -
>though I doubt that was all he was calling for as his next call continues
>to rub Scully the wrong way. Poor clueless Mulder is at "that special
>place" complete with a new winner in the scary shades category and wants
>to share - oh, and check up on her. Bad move Moose.

>surprisingly sexual overtones. When they go back to Ed's place and she
>tries to play Doctor the episode cops out in ambiguity - I'm not saying
>that Scully should have slept with him, but for some reason they were
>afraid to even do more than imply a kiss despite all those serious looks
>and heavy breathing.
>
>Now we reach "the morning after" and despite not getting any that's not
>how it looks to the other detectives much to her chagrin. We learn about
>hallucinogenic ergotism and Action! Scully gets another workout. She
>wasn't too successful despite fighting pretty darn dirty - you'd think
>Scully of all people would know better than to run into the bathroom on
>The X-Files - she is rewarded by being tossed into a door. Thwap.


>
>As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling final
>scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more depressed
>than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move fueled by his
>confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her second appearance in
>the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a desk?" No, Mulder all
>this because you didn't have a clue.
>

>Random Musings
>-------------------------
>-This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an episode
>before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How folks can
>continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves on obviously
>exaggerated hearsay always amuses me. The "reshoots" rumor among others
>was false, and frankly I didn't need cancer as a motivation for Scully.
>

>-The "stunt" casting of the show with Jodie Foster playing "Winky" the
>wonder tattoo worked for me - it was clear that Foster relished her
chance
>to lend her voice - her maniacal laugh as Ed prepared to make Scully
>flambe' combined with that music and the fire lit cinematography was
>really quite eerie. How dare that tattoo call Scully a "cheap redhead"
>though.


>
>-What *COOL* music choices. The Pretenders "Tattooed Love Boys": "I get
>tattoos because I need it.". The Partridge Family singing about wanting
to
>be wanted (frankly if my neighbor was playing this that loud and then I
>had to face Jehovah's Witnesses I might be tempted to kick her door down
>without Jodie Foster's help), and in the last bar scene a song by the
>group X.
>

>-The bird cage liner for the Partridge Family girl was *too* funny. A
mock
>Entertainment Weekly featuring a picture of Co-Executive Producer Bob
>Goodwin with the headline "The Wisest Man in Hollywood".
>
>-I spotted a time line reference on the report Mulder hands to Scully.
The
>case was opened January 13, 1997.
>
>-Anyone else get a kick out of the names Mulder handed her? I caught
>references to various vodkas including Smirnoff and Popov.
>
>-Who can blame her for not wanting to go to Philly. Not only was the case
>weak, but the ever sensitive Mulder booked her a middle seat.
>
>-So the "Batphone" in The X-Files office is complete with a big "X" on
>their special hotline.
>
>-Talk about your "red light" district that tattoo shop at night just
>glowed.


>
>-I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room in
>that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him he
>would have at least had her name on the door by the time she returned,
but
>nooooo.
>

>-Did we really need to have a permanent reminder of Millennium indelibly
>marked on Scully's back?

>
>-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed (and
>you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not only
does
>he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the morning she still
>has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet. What woman would have
sex

>and then put pantyhose back on - I rest my case.
>
>-You'll find this URL for the Forensic Information Database in Scully's
>bookmark file: http://fbi.lab.rl.fns.gov/FORENSICS/chem/haluc.drugs.html


>
>Autumn
>"I've always gone around in this circle."

Autumn Tysko

R. Scott Carr

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Enough of this Mulder-bashing! :-) I post again because this entire
newsgroup is ganging up on him, and for once in his life, he was not to
blame. Ms. Tysko, please forgive my snips.

aut...@aol.com wrote:

<snip>

> >This episode, while definitely not focusing on Mulder, still does have
> >everything to do with him - indirectly of course.

True, it's about Mulder, but it's coming from Scully.

<snip>

> >The Mulder and Scully scenes in this episode were the most painful we've
> >ever had to watch. We open with Scully wandering off after she has been
> >drug out in the middle of the night to listen to yet another one of
> >Mulder's farfetched cases - this one - as she points out later - a
> "poorly
> >veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle".

As far-fetched as Mulder's ideas are, they almost always prove correct,
don't they? (If one doesn't like that fact, one should complain to CC,
but it cannot be denied.) How is it that Scully has not noticed this?
Yes, the X-Files are often ambiguous, but as wild-eyed as Mulder can be,
Scully ought to give him some credit. Even she's seen that he's right
most of the time. Thus, her skepticism becomes ever more hard to
credit, and there certainly was no excuse for her recalcitrant attitude
toward the "X-File that wasn't" in "Never Again."

> How appropriate
> >that the "Moose and Squirrel" nickname for Our Heroes shows up at this
> >time because Mulder has never been more the bumbling Moose than he is
> here
> >- constantly stumbling and saying all the wrong things.

How is it that Mulder is supposed to read Scully's mind in this episode?
For their entire partnership, she has always been direct with him.
Suddenly, she becomes a near caricature of the stereotypical woman.
Mulder, blind-sided, fails to do just the right thing, and for this he
is called "insensitive," a "jerk," even a "consummate asshole," as one
poster so delicately phrased it. This criticism of him is most unfair.

<snip>

> >Duchovny is wonderful in this scene as Mulder moves from accusing Scully
> >of "abandoning" him (like *he* can even begin to talk)

He has "abandoned" her to protect her from his own adventures
(Colony/Endgame), or to save his own mother (Talitha/Herrenvolk). In
the latter case, Mulder had to move or he would have lost contact with
Jeremiah Smith, and he did not know he was leaving her in danger,
because he believed he had just killed the shape-shifting alien bounty
hunter. In "One Breath," when Ma Scully and Melissa have given up on
dear Dana, Mulder is the only one who argues for her life. In any
event, Mulder has never abandoned Scully from sheer uninterest, yet
that's what she does to him. Who can blame him from feeling let down?

> to defensive when
> >Scully hits him with "That makes it sound like you're my superior"

Which he is, arguably.

> to
> >petulant as he starts his "you were just assigned" (oooo, cold Mulder)
> >"this work is my life" speech

Not petulant so much as let down and angry.

> to bewildered hurt when as he asks "You
> >don't want it to be?". Moose is clearly very very confused in his selfish
> >little world as to what to give Scully here. He's stuck on the desk
> thing.

From Mulder's point of view, it's not a "little world" he lives in. How
can one argue that Mulder should not remain committed to his life's work
and his lost sister? If Scully had a problem, she should have been more
direct with Mulder. She has done a lot for him, over the years, but he
has been there for her too. Once, he even traded Samantha for Scully's
life (Colony/Endgame -- well, he *believed* it was Samantha). He
deserved better from her.

> >And why doesn't she have a desk? Why does she have "an area" in the back?

Mulder cares first about the X-Files. He sacrificed his own career to
do that work, and now he is "FBI's most unwanted." He himself cares for
nameplates and desks not at all, and if Scully doesn't have a proper
desk, why can't she get her own? Surely she can fill out a logistics
order form! Is she so helpless that Mulder has to do it for her, or
does she just like to be waited upon? Neither, I think. (That's part
of why I think M&W really lost track of Scully in this episode.)

> >I'm surprised it took her this long to start in on Mulder about this.
> >Oops. Sorry, just the Scullyist in me getting worked up there.

Is there a "Mulderist" movement out there? If not, perhaps I'll turn in
my 'shipper badge and secret decoder ring and start one. Nah, on second
thought, it ain't worth it.

> >So where does an Elvis obsessed investigator go for vacation? Why
> >Graceland of course, but in his attempt to hurt Scully back a little more
> >for his feelings of rejection he won't even tell her where he is going
> >when she asks with resigned emotion in her voice.

Attempt to "hurt her back?" That's a reach. I have no idea why he did
not just say "Graceland," unless M&W wanted to surprise the audience
with his destination later, but to say he just wanted to hurt Scully is
an unsubstantiated assertion.

<snip>

> Poor clueless Mulder is at "that special
> >place" complete with a new winner in the scary shades category and wants
> >to share - oh, and check up on her. Bad move Moose.

He does care for her, and perhaps he just wanted to talk to her, as well
as see how the case was going. He has a legitimate interest in both.
She was uninterested in his "spiritual journey" -- indeed, she rejects
all of his olive branches in this episode -- and thus the quarrel about
the case began.

<snip>

> It is only when Mulder
> >sends her over the edge again as he easily tracks her down due to her
> >predictable nature, questions her decisions on the case, and then mocks
> >her about a date that she decides to retaliate against herself and
> Mulder.

I must take issue with this. I watched that scene carefully, and my
interpretation is that Mulder has several reactions. One, he is upset
that she tossed the case in the hopper so quickly. She never did have
any enthusiasm for it, so who can blame Mulder for suspecting she didn't
put her full effort into it? When he wants to discuss it, she tries to
avoid the issue by saying she has to go. Mulder asks whether she has a
date, and yes, he was being a bit sarcastic, but when she lets on that
she does (indirectly), he is rightly incredulous. From his point of
view, she initially rejected the case, then reluctantly undertook it,
then she passed it on, and finally Mulder is appalled to learn that she
dropped an X-File so she could go out. (I know that's not what
happened, but he interprets it that way.) When Mulder says "I new you
wouldn't abandon me," he is not mocking her predictability, he is saying
"I knew I could count on you", but then he finds to his dismay that he
couldn't count on her after all, hence his incredulous "you're kidding."

<snip>

> >tries to play Doctor the episode cops out in ambiguity - I'm not saying
> >that Scully should have slept with him, but for some reason they were
> >afraid to even do more than imply a kiss despite all those serious looks
> >and heavy breathing.

Worse, they played the simplistic "Uniblonder" trick. That and the
"Millenium" tattoo were just insulting.

<snip>

> >As if we didn't have enough pain on the show we have that chilling final
> >scene as Scully returns to her still deskless office even more depressed
> >than when she left. In an astoundingly insensitive move fueled by his
> >confusion over her behavior Mulder jokes about her second appearance in
> >the X-Files. "All this because I didn't get you a desk?" No, Mulder all
> >this because you didn't have a clue.

No, all this because either Scully is really a twit or M&W just blew it.
I'm giving Scully the benefit of the doubt. After "Never Again," Scully
deserved any ribbing she got, and when Mulder asks his desk question,
what he's really asking is "what's going on?" Again, Scully doesn't
give him a clue.

<snip>

> >-This again was one of those times when all that brouhaha over an episode
> >before it airs seems just so silly to me in perspective. How folks can
> >continue to judge things that they haven't seen themselves on obviously
> >exaggerated hearsay always amuses me.

The newsgroup was not judging things it hadn't seen, it was judging
various possibilities, most of which were based on rumor. Yes, there
was some hysteria, but the bottom line is that the fans don't trust CC
and co to take care of the X-Files any more. "Never Again" did not
restore the audience's confidence, I suspect.

<snip>

> >-I don't know about you folks, but I think there is *plenty* of room in
> >that office for another desk. If Mulder knew what was good for him he
> >would have at least had her name on the door by the time she returned,
> but
> >nooooo.

Again, when did Scully start needing all this coddling? No wonder
Mulder's bewildered.

> >-Did we really need to have a permanent reminder of Millennium indelibly
> >marked on Scully's back?

No, we did not.

> >-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed (and
> >you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not only
> does
> >he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the morning she still
> >has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet. What woman would have
> sex
> >and then put pantyhose back on - I rest my case.

Yet the legions of the bewildered keep insisting she did. It boggles
the mind.

<snip>

It may appear that I hated this review, but that's not really the case.
I snipped all the parts I basically agreed with. However, I had to
stand up and say something on behalf of Mulder -- he has taken a lot of
abuse, and I truly believe that most of it was unwarranted.

--
Scott Carr
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/7503

GravesPA2

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Scott Carr writes:

<<It may appear that I hated this review, but that's not really the case.
I snipped all the parts I basically agreed with. However, I had to
stand up and say something on behalf of Mulder -- he has taken a lot of
abuse, and I truly believe that most of it was unwarranted.>>

Ooo, I agree. I gave Scully the benefit of the doubt in order to follow
the miscommunication theme that weaves through Never Again, but I continue
to believe that my original review of Never Again is nearly as valid. I
STILL think that Scully was handled badly in this episode. Her
devolution, as Scott points out, into a sulking woman speaking in
metaphors, while it propels the plot in the direction M & W apparently
want it to go, does NOTHING good for the character of Scully, IMO. Scott
made excellent points in his previous post---Scully is not incompetent. If
she wanted a desk, why didn't she ask for one directly or get one for
herself? I realize she really doesn't want a desk in this episode--she
wants appreciation. But if that's what she wants, why did she ask about
the desk?

Mulder was the only character I recognized in this one, frankly---and I
ACHED for him. I have had to step back and see what I believe Morgan and
Wong wanted me to see about Scully in order to be able to appreciate Never
Again at all. But I had to suspend some major disbelief about Scully and
her character to do so. Which is why I still say that while the idea of
rebellion isn't a bad notion, I need better motivation and better
execution.

Paula G.

aut...@aol.com

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Scott,

I think perhaps you are using my review to post a general frustration.

>Enough of this Mulder-bashing! :-)

If you want Mulder-bashing, I can dish it out - I don't think this was it.
;-)

>As far-fetched as Mulder's ideas are, they almost always prove correct,
>don't they? (If one doesn't like that fact, one should complain to CC,
>but it cannot be denied.) How is it that Scully has not noticed this?

This is an old argument. Just because Mulder is almost always right does
not mean he shouldn't be questioned or challenged. For instance, because
someone is right about a flukeworm how does that validate their opinion on
alien abduction? It doesn't. He should be challenged, and frankly Scott he
likes being challenged. Their are many many many instances where Mulder's
wierd initial ideas are *not* correct and the answer lies somewhere in
between the ideas of both Mulder and Scully. I contend that the truth is a
synthesis of both of them reaching the correct answer together. Mulder's
first answers are often total BS - with Scully he reached the correct
hypothesis. And sometimes he is flat out wrong. How is it that Mulder has
not notice this?

>Yes, the X-Files are often ambiguous, but as wild-eyed as Mulder can be,
>Scully ought to give him some credit.

She does.

>Thus, her skepticism becomes ever more hard to
>credit, and there certainly was no excuse for her recalcitrant attitude
>toward the "X-File that wasn't" in "Never Again."

I totally disagree. Where in this story did you see that it was legit? The
script supported Scully. I suspect that what we don't see on this show is
the legions of wild goose chases that Scully dutifully follows Mulder on.


>How is it that Mulder is supposed to read Scully's mind in this episode?
>For their entire partnership, she has always been direct with him.

What? I'm not asking him to read her mind. I'm asking him to be sensitive.
Mulder *is* selfish. When she has been direct with him he's deflected her
- see the conversation in the car in "Tooms" or the way he dismisses her
cancer fears in "Nisei". She has learned to *not* be direct with him as
when at even her most honest he sometimes just doesn't get it.

>Suddenly, she becomes a near caricature of the stereotypical woman.
>Mulder, blind-sided, fails to do just the right thing, and for this he
>is called "insensitive," a "jerk," even a "consummate asshole," as one
>poster so delicately phrased it. This criticism of him is most unfair.

As you are replying to my review I will point out that I called him none
of the above.

>He has "abandoned" her to protect her from his own adventures
>(Colony/Endgame), or to save his own mother (Talitha/Herrenvolk).

BS! He could have waited 1 minute to pick her up on that boat. He was
driving.

> In any
>event, Mulder has never abandoned Scully from sheer uninterest, yet
>that's what she does to him. Who can blame him from feeling let down?

So Mulder can ditch her, order her around, and not treat her as an equal
partner for *how* long, and when she doesn't want to follow up one silly
lead she abandons him? So, all of his ditching his parter (which happens
time and time again) is somehow noble and her reluctance (BTW, she does
not abandon him or ditch him) is a let down?

You are saying that Mulder did not abandon Scully when:
1) He left her screaming his name on the shore in "Herrenvolk".
2) He ran off with Roche without her in "Paper Hearts".
3) He took off for HongKong and the only reason she knew is she called
him.

I could go on with the complete list of Mulder physical and emotional
ditches but I'm sleepy.

>> to defensive when
>> >Scully hits him with "That makes it sound like you're my superior"
>
>Which he is, arguably.

Maybe to you, but I have never seen on the show that she reports to him -
younger partner or not - she reports to her boss (Blevins or Skinner).
Just because you have the job longer does not make you someone's boss.

>From Mulder's point of view, it's not a "little world" he lives in. How
>can one argue that Mulder should not remain committed to his life's work
>and his lost sister? If Scully had a problem, she should have been more
>direct with Mulder. She has done a lot for him, over the years, but he
>has been there for her too. Once, he even traded Samantha for Scully's
>life (Colony/Endgame -- well, he *believed* it was Samantha). He
>deserved better from her.

The problem is both of theirs, but I have to say that while Scully follows
him almost anywhere he consistently take her for granted rather than the
other way around. I think Scully's got some skin in the game here. Her
allegiance to Mulder's quest has lost her a sister, her career, and a
chunk of her life. Please do not trivialize her commitment as Mulder does.

>He himself cares for
>nameplates and desks not at all, and if Scully doesn't have a proper
>desk, why can't she get her own? Surely she can fill out a logistics
>order form! Is she so helpless that Mulder has to do it for her, or
>does she just like to be waited upon? Neither, I think. (That's part
>of why I think M&W really lost track of Scully in this episode.)

It isn't about a desk - that is a metaphor. It is about respect and
control and being treated as a partner and not a helper or sidekick.

>
>I must take issue with this. I watched that scene carefully, and my
>interpretation is that Mulder has several reactions. One, he is upset
>that she tossed the case in the hopper so quickly. She never did have
>any enthusiasm for it, so who can blame Mulder for suspecting she didn't
>put her full effort into it?

Because she does put her full effort into everything he asks as always
whether or not she agrees. She's disagreed with him for years, but she
*always* backs him up. Now he is questioning her.

>No, all this because either Scully is really a twit or M&W just blew it.
>I'm giving Scully the benefit of the doubt. After "Never Again," Scully
>deserved any ribbing she got, and when Mulder asks his desk question,
>what he's really asking is "what's going on?" Again, Scully doesn't
>give him a clue.

She expects the person she has spent 4 years with to be sensitive to her
needs and feelings. I knew what she was getting at. Mulder shouldn't need
it written out in big letters - instead he mocks her abduction. Now that
is a cool move.

>The newsgroup was not judging things it hadn't seen, it was judging
>various possibilities, most of which were based on rumor.

Which is judging things it hadn't seen.

>It may appear that I hated this review, but that's not really the case.
>I snipped all the parts I basically agreed with. However, I had to
>stand up and say something on behalf of Mulder -- he has taken a lot of
>abuse, and I truly believe that most of it was unwarranted.

I didn't think you hated the review, and I appreciate the time you spent
to comment. I do think however that we have a basic disagreement over the
way we see the show as is outlined by my comments above. Oh well, to each
his/her own.-)

Thanks,
Autumn

achase

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aut...@aol.com wrote:
><32FA9C...@mediasoft.net>, Car...@mediasoft.net wrote:

Just jumping in, not that Autumn needs my help!

> >As far-fetched as Mulder's ideas are, they almost always prove correct,
> >don't they? (If one doesn't like that fact, one should complain to CC,
> >but it cannot be denied.) How is it that Scully has not noticed this?
>
> This is an old argument. Just because Mulder is almost always right does
> not mean he shouldn't be questioned or challenged. For instance, because
> someone is right about a flukeworm how does that validate their opinion on
> alien abduction? It doesn't. He should be challenged, and frankly Scott he
> likes being challenged. Their are many many many instances where Mulder's

> weird initial ideas are *not* correct and the answer lies somewhere in


> between the ideas of both Mulder and Scully. I contend that the truth is a
> synthesis of both of them reaching the correct answer together. Mulder's
> first answers are often total BS - with Scully he reached the correct
> hypothesis. And sometimes he is flat out wrong. How is it that Mulder has
> not notice this?

Also, Scully often comes down on the side of actually doing something useful.
In El Mundo Gira (bad episode, I know, but recent) it doesn't really matter
if the guy is the chupacabras or victim of alien abduction. What matters is
that he's on the loose and killing people. Scully's work in the labs to
find out
how people are dying is much more pragmatic than all of Mulder's running
about after wild theories. I dunno, I've never seen an episode where I've
said "Mulder was right and Scully is blind". I say: "Well, Mulder may have
been close on the "why" of that one, but Scully is the one who cared to find
the "how" and worked on saving lives."

Also, we the audience often "see" much more proof than Scully ever does. If you
think Scully if a fool for not believing Mulder, try and re-watch the
episode to
see what she actually witnessed. Remember, she isn't there for that pre-credits
teaser or that manifestation of the MOTW, only we see that "proof."

> >Yes, the X-Files are often ambiguous, but as wild-eyed as Mulder can be,
> >Scully ought to give him some credit.
>
> She does.

She gives him credit by providing him with loyalty and her stalwart scientific
back-up. However, her world view differs from his and there is no reason
I can see for her to be shy about voicing that.

<<<major snips>>>


> >He himself cares for
> >nameplates and desks not at all, and if Scully doesn't have a proper
> >desk, why can't she get her own? Surely she can fill out a logistics
> >order form! Is she so helpless that Mulder has to do it for her, or
> >does she just like to be waited upon? Neither, I think. (That's part
> >of why I think M&W really lost track of Scully in this episode.)

Besides, did you hear Scully _ask_ Mulder for a desk? I didn't. She asked
_why_ she didn't have one. Mulder chose to interpret it as a request, as
did you.

Autumn said "It isn't about a desk - that is a metaphor. It is about respect and
control and being treated as a partner and not a helper or sidekick." I agree
with that somewhat, but I also saw it as Scully mulling over her role, her
place in the X-Files, her investment, and what she has achieved after
so many years and so many sacrifices.


> >No, all this because either Scully is really a twit or M&W just blew it.
> >I'm giving Scully the benefit of the doubt. After "Never Again," Scully
> >deserved any ribbing she got, and when Mulder asks his desk question,
> >what he's really asking is "what's going on?" Again, Scully doesn't
> >give him a clue.

Jeepers, Mulder sees her come in the office and just rips into her. He mocks
and demeans her, doesn't ask a single direct or concerned questions and she's
supposed to put aside her feelings and be the great communicator? Fuck that.
What he's really asking with the famous desk question is, or what Scully (as
well as I) seems to have heard was: "It wasn't my fault, was it?" And that
comes after him demeaning her experience by say "All this..." "All this"
implies over-reaction and criticizes and belittles what she went through,
which was personal stuff that she chose to do and wasn't really any of Mulder's
business. We know Scully thinks Mulder was actually saying "This wasn't
because of me, was it?" because she responds that not everything is about
him, that it's her life.
--anne

R. Scott Carr

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achase wrote:

> I dunno, I've never seen an episode where I've
> said "Mulder was right and Scully is blind". I say: "Well, Mulder may have
> been close on the "why" of that one, but Scully is the one who cared to find
> the "how" and worked on saving lives."

Disclaimer: my tone of voice, if you could hear it, would not be as
harsh as my written words may appear. Really. I tried not to seem
overly sarcastic, but I probably failed. Suffice to say I am not going
to be gentle with your arguments.

Now, that said, let the debate continue:

Who cares whether Scully saves lives or gives to the poor or feeds stray
cats or whatever? The issue is who ought to believe whom vis-a-vis
these nutty cases. My contention is that Mulder, crazy as his ideas
are, is closer to the truth most of the time. How many X-Files really
were about some natural phenomenon? Not many. We've had ghosts,
demons, freaks, mutants, and conspirators, and all this time, Mulder has
been calling them correctly (or close) while Scully's "scientific"
explanations have fallen apart.

> Also, we the audience often "see" much more proof than Scully ever does. If you
> think Scully if a fool for not believing Mulder, try and re-watch the
> episode to
> see what she actually witnessed. Remember, she isn't there for that pre-credits
> teaser or that manifestation of the MOTW, only we see that "proof."

Do you suppose she noticed when she was lifted and thrown against the
wall by the invisible force in "Calusari?" Reckon she figured out that
it wasn't natural when she and Mulder found Tooms in his paper mache
playpen? Do you suppose she missed all the shotguns going off in
"Syzygy?" Or maybe she just never noticed all those squishy green
things in "Colony/Endgame" (or that a shape-shifting alien bounty hunter
tossed her around like a rag-doll). She has seen a *lot,* no doubt
about it. (And I have watched nearly all of the episodes at least
twice. In 3.5 years, I've missed fewer than 10.)

> She gives him credit by providing him with loyalty and her stalwart scientific
> back-up. However, her world view differs from his and there is no reason
> I can see for her to be shy about voicing that.

Sure. Fine. Whatever.

> Besides, did you hear Scully _ask_ Mulder for a desk? I didn't. She asked
> _why_ she didn't have one. Mulder chose to interpret it as a request, as
> did you.

I did not, actually. I think I must have failed to be clear. I
interpreted it as an uncharacteristic Scully-whine, which she had no (or
little) business indulging in. What I like about Scully is that she
usually does not whine, and if Mulder gets out of line, she lets him
know.

> Jeepers, Mulder sees her come in the office and just rips into her. He mocks
> and demeans her, doesn't ask a single direct or concerned questions and she's
> supposed to put aside her feelings and be the great communicator? Fuck that.

Come off it, already. He wasn't that harsh. Her skin isn't that thin.

> What he's really asking with the famous desk question is, or what Scully (as
> well as I) seems to have heard was: "It wasn't my fault, was it?"

Don't think so. He was asking "what on earth was all this about?"

> And that
> comes after him demeaning her experience by say "All this..." "All this"
> implies over-reaction and criticizes and belittles what she went through,
> which was personal stuff that she chose to do and wasn't really any of Mulder's
> business.

Hmmm. She drops an investigation, gets a tattoo that gives her a nasty
parasite, almost gets killed, ends up in the hospital, you're right: no
biggie.

Sorry, cannot agree with you on this matter.

SC

R. Scott Carr

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aut...@aol.com wrote:

> I think perhaps you are using my review to post a general frustration.

Yes I was. I hope you don't mind -- it was an interesting review, so it
made a good launchpad.

> If you want Mulder-bashing, I can dish it out - I don't think this was it.
> ;-)

No need, this newsgroup has done plenty! :-)

> This is an old argument. Just because Mulder is almost always right does
> not mean he shouldn't be questioned or challenged. For instance, because
> someone is right about a flukeworm how does that validate their opinion on
> alien abduction? It doesn't.

Of course, but what I am saying is that Scully was too quick to jump on
Mulder and say, in effect, "this case is bogus and I refuse to look into
it." I am not saying Mulder is *always* right, just that he's right
often enough that Scully ought to be a little more willing to make a
quick trip to Philadelphia.

> Their are many many many instances where Mulder's
> wierd initial ideas are *not* correct and the answer lies somewhere in
> between the ideas of both Mulder and Scully. I contend that the truth is a
> synthesis of both of them reaching the correct answer together.

Hmmm. Have not done any careful counts, but my sense is that the common
pattern is M comes up with a wacky idea, Scully doesn't buy it, he keeps
making his case, her attempts to explain away the unexplainable become
thinner and thinner, and then at the end it's an X-File. Not saying
she's always wrong, but if Mulder weren't usually right, this show would
not be TXF.

<snip>

> >Yes, the X-Files are often ambiguous, but as wild-eyed as Mulder can be,
> >Scully ought to give him some credit.
> She does.

She didn't in "Never Again." That's why Mulder was annoyed with her.

> >Thus, her skepticism becomes ever more hard to
> >credit, and there certainly was no excuse for her recalcitrant attitude
> >toward the "X-File that wasn't" in "Never Again."
>
> I totally disagree. Where in this story did you see that it was legit? The
> script supported Scully. I suspect that what we don't see on this show is
> the legions of wild goose chases that Scully dutifully follows Mulder on.

I was not saying that Mulder was right in this episode. What I'm saying
is that at the *outset,* when Scully expressed utter disdain for the
case, she had little basis for her attitude. She's skeptical at the
outset of *every* X-File, but most of the time, *something* paranormal
is up, so even if she can't buy the "Russian Connection" in NA, she
ought not have been so snippy about it. She should have said, "well,
this is another wild Mulder-idea, but gee, odd as his ideas are, they
keep proving right, so maybe I'd better look into this." Instead, she
says "I'm not going."

> What? I'm not asking him to read her mind. I'm asking him to be sensitive.
> Mulder *is* selfish. When she has been direct with him he's deflected her
> - see the conversation in the car in "Tooms" or the way he dismisses her
> cancer fears in "Nisei".

They way I interpret the conversation in "Tooms" (the "Fox, I..."
conversation is the one I presume you mean) is that Scully was coming on
to him a bit and he wasn't ready, so he stiff-armed her. Dumb, I'll
grant you, but what can I say?" As for "Nisei," that's one I missed, so
I cannot comment.

<snip>



> >Suddenly, she becomes a near caricature of the stereotypical woman.
> >Mulder, blind-sided, fails to do just the right thing, and for this he
> >is called "insensitive," a "jerk," even a "consummate asshole," as one
> >poster so delicately phrased it. This criticism of him is most unfair.
>
> As you are replying to my review I will point out that I called him none
> of the above.

True. I was referring to the ng in general, and I did not mean to imply
that you had called him those things. I apologize for being unclear.

> >He has "abandoned" her to protect her from his own adventures
> >(Colony/Endgame), or to save his own mother (Talitha/Herrenvolk).
>
> BS! He could have waited 1 minute to pick her up on that boat. He was
> driving.

Not BS, I think. As I recall, Jeremiah was *very* anxious to get out of
Dodge, and Mulder had to go with him right then because had he not, J
would have been long gone. Because M was very worried about mom and
because he thought Scully was in no danger, his decision to leave her
was logical. I do not blame him for not sparing her feelings.

> So Mulder can ditch her, order her around, and not treat her as an equal
> partner for *how* long, and when she doesn't want to follow up one silly
> lead she abandons him? So, all of his ditching his parter (which happens
> time and time again) is somehow noble and her reluctance (BTW, she does
> not abandon him or ditch him) is a let down?

She did abandon him during the questioning, and she dropped his case
rather quickly. Again, to some extent I am presenting events as they
would have appeared to him, rather than what really went on. Scully may
have been fully justified in dropping the case, but from what Mulder had
seen up to that point, she never gave a damn to begin with and probably
just said "to heck with it." She gave him grounds for doubting her.

> You are saying that Mulder did not abandon Scully when:
> 1) He left her screaming his name on the shore in "Herrenvolk".
> 2) He ran off with Roche without her in "Paper Hearts".

Are you suggesting that Scully would have wanted to accompany him on
that absurd adventure? I did not read that as "ditching" Scully, since
she would never have gone along with it anyway. (Something similar
happened in "Fallen Angel," you may recall.)

> 3) He took off for HongKong and the only reason she knew is she called
> him.

He called her from a pay phone, did he not? I seem to recall him saying
"Look, I have to go to Hong Kong." They had been pursuing different
angles to the case, and his had led him to the airport. She had been
off at some army base. Did she call him on his cell-phone? Are you
sure? (I cannot remember clearly). Anyway, when events unfold quickly,
he can't always take 5 to bring her up to date.

> I could go on with the complete list of Mulder physical and emotional
> ditches but I'm sleepy.

My feeling is here we may have to agree to disagree. My sense is that
he does ditch her now and then, but usually he has a reason. I consider
*most* of the complaints about ditching to be on the whiney side, to be
honest.

> >> to defensive when
> >> >Scully hits him with "That makes it sound like you're my superior"
> >
> >Which he is, arguably.
>
> Maybe to you, but I have never seen on the show that she reports to him -
> younger partner or not - she reports to her boss (Blevins or Skinner).
> Just because you have the job longer does not make you someone's boss.

If there is anyone out there who works for the FBI, now would be a good
time to weigh in. I contend that, as the senior partner, Mulder has
some authority over her. He's not her supervisor, but he is senior, and
my guess is that carries a lot of weight in old J. Edgar's Bureau.

> The problem is both of theirs, but I have to say that while Scully follows
> him almost anywhere he consistently take her for granted rather than the
> other way around. I think Scully's got some skin in the game here. Her
> allegiance to Mulder's quest has lost her a sister, her career, and a
> chunk of her life. Please do not trivialize her commitment as Mulder does.

I do not disagree. I just think that it was unfair of you to suggest
that Mulder is nothing more than a petulant 12-year-old. I agree that
Scully is usually a rock and that M does take her for granted. (Another
reason I did not like NA -- Scully went from rock to twit without any
transition.) I do not trivialize Scully's commitment -- but in NA she
did let him down.

> It isn't about a desk - that is a metaphor. It is about respect and
> control and being treated as a partner and not a helper or sidekick.

Well, I'll just say that because Mulder respects Scully, he treats her
the way he would if she were a man (to a point). He does not coddle the
"weak female," because she doesn't need it. For 3.5 years, she's just
barked back at him when he deserved it, but in NA, she's suddenly made
of porcelain.

> Because she does put her full effort into everything he asks as always
> whether or not she agrees. She's disagreed with him for years, but she
> *always* backs him up. Now he is questioning her.

Remember, her wandering off during questioning was "a first." Her
attitude was unusually sullen, and all in all, she wasn't acting like
Scully, so he had grounds to doubt her. Yes, he could have gone the
extra mile for her, but in a sense, he did try to contact her and
re-connect, and she's the one who kept pushing him away.

> She expects the person she has spent 4 years with to be sensitive to her
> needs and feelings. I knew what she was getting at. Mulder shouldn't need
> it written out in big letters - instead he mocks her abduction. Now that
> is a cool move.

Well, he was exasperated, and with some reason. I won't go so far as to
say that Mulder is utterly blameless -- he did contribute to all of
this, but I still say that Scully was the real cause and that Mulder is
*not* a punk.

> >The newsgroup was not judging things it hadn't seen, it was judging
> >various possibilities, most of which were based on rumor.
>
> Which is judging things it hadn't seen.

Do I hear a hair splitting? Yes I do, and I'm the one splitting it.
Most of the discussion was about various rumors and possibilities, and
most of the posts included caveats such as "if this rumor is true...."
No harm in that. In cases where people posted rumors and represented
them as facts, you have grounds for complaint. In cases where the
discussion was hypothetical, it was legitimate.

> I didn't think you hated the review, and I appreciate the time you spent
> to comment. I do think however that we have a basic disagreement over the
> way we see the show as is outlined by my comments above. Oh well, to each
> his/her own.-)

Gosh, this is turning into a mutual back-patting session. :-)
Seriously, it was a good review -- just a bit rough on my boy Mulder.

Thank you. Now I'm going to go watch "Pusher" and get some 'shipper
therapy.

Alyssa Fernandez

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R. Scott Carr wrote:

>
> aut...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I could go on with the complete list of Mulder physical and emotional
> > ditches but I'm sleepy.
>
> My feeling is here we may have to agree to disagree. My sense is that
> he does ditch her now and then, but usually he has a reason.

The reason, BTW, is almost always that Chris Carter has written the
episode. Nearly all of the classic ditches were written by Carter, or
perhaps Carter/Spotnitz, or even Carter/Gordon/Spotnitz.

Carter's mytharc shows seem to place greater emphasis on plot than on
characterization. On the other hand, characterization is usually pretty
strong in MOTWs (heck, it's Chris Williams's rule #3). Mulder rarely
ditches Scully in MOTWs; even "Paper Hearts" was a monster/myth hybrid.
While I know that for some X-philes, the mytharc IS the show, in terms
of percentages the MOTWs outnumber the conspiracy episodes. So *I* say,
our opinion of Mulder should be based more on MOTW-Mulder, rather than
on "selfish," Scully-ditching Mytharc-Mulder. (Scullyists unfortunately
tend to disagree.)

> > >> >Scully hits him with "That makes it sound like you're my superior"
> > >
> > >Which he is, arguably.
> >
> > Maybe to you, but I have never seen on the show that she reports to him -
> > younger partner or not - she reports to her boss (Blevins or Skinner).
> > Just because you have the job longer does not make you someone's boss.
>
> If there is anyone out there who works for the FBI, now would be a good
> time to weigh in. I contend that, as the senior partner, Mulder has
> some authority over her. He's not her supervisor, but he is senior, and
> my guess is that carries a lot of weight in old J. Edgar's Bureau.

With all due respect to Autumn's argument that Scully has never reported
to Mulder, I tend to think that he does have some authority over the
X-Files, and that includes Scully's work on them. When an outsider
seeks the help of the X-Files division (for example, Frank Burst in
"Pusher"), the outsider usually addresses his remarks to Mulder, not
Scully. That might just reflect sexism, but since Scully has never
commented on this aspect of such encounters, it seems to imply a tacit
understanding that Mulder has greater decision-making power.
Occasionally Scully provides the entre to a case, as in "Teliko," but
more often it is Mulder who seems to be familiar with the case file and
who fills Scully in on the reason for their involvement.

BTW, I think the reason we don't see Scully "reporting" to Mulder is
that they are always working together (except when Carter has Mulder
ditching Scully, and she could hardly report to him then, could she?).
Additionally, Mulder does not seem to me to be the type who would put
much emphasis on protocol and official reporting.

Finally, I would like to add that if Mulder was NOT Scully's superior,
there would be little point in Scully's asking Mulder (not Skinner) why
she didn't have a desk, or in Mulder saying at the end, "All this
because I didn't get you a desk...?"

Alyssa,
Who is surprised that this Mulder-defense thread has become associated
with Autumn's review, since Autumn is actually one of the ng's fairest
and most objective commentators.

JN Cotton

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In <19970207054...@ladder01.news.aol.com> grav...@aol.com
(GravesPA2) writes:
>
>Scott Carr writes:
>
><<It may appear that I hated this review, but that's not really the
case.
>I snipped all the parts I basically agreed with. However, I had to
>stand up and say something on behalf of Mulder -- he has taken a lot
of
>abuse, and I truly believe that most of it was unwarranted.>>
>
>Ooo, I agree. I gave Scully the benefit of the doubt in order to
follow
>the miscommunication theme that weaves through Never Again, but I
continue
>to believe that my original review of Never Again is nearly as valid.
I
>STILL think that Scully was handled badly in this episode. Her
>devolution, as Scott points out, into a sulking woman speaking in
>metaphors, while it propels the plot in the direction M & W apparently
>want it to go, does NOTHING good for the character of Scully, IMO.

It made her more human. It made her flawed. To me, that does WONDERS
for a character. As much as I joke about calling her a "Saint," I don't
want her to be. I want her to be "real" in a sense. And yes, I want her
to make mistakes. While I can admire Scully's cool, calm, "obsence
intelligence" as GA calls it, I cannot always relate to it. It's
episodes like this, where it is hard to watch, difficult to admire,
that help flesh out the characters for me.


Nancy (no clever sig)

THE WOLF

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In article <5d6433$o...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>,
giz...@ix.netcom.com(Coleen Sullivan-Baier) wrote:

> In <19970203224...@ladder01.news.aol.com> aut...@aol.com


> writes:
>
> >-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed
> >(and you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not
> >only does he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the
> >morning she still has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet.
> >What woman would have sex and then put pantyhose back on
>
>

> Maybe she never took them off.....kinda makes your toes
> curl up, don't it???
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>Kinda hard to eat at the Y with those things on don't-cha think?

The wolf

aut...@aol.com

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Scott, I think we are going to have to do that agree to disagree thing
here, but I wanted to make a few points:

>> Their are many many many instances where Mulder's
>> wierd initial ideas are *not* correct and the answer lies somewhere in
>> between the ideas of both Mulder and Scully. I contend that the truth
is a
>> synthesis of both of them reaching the correct answer together.
>
>Hmmm. Have not done any careful counts, but my sense is that the common
>pattern is M comes up with a wacky idea, Scully doesn't buy it, he keeps
>making his case, her attempts to explain away the unexplainable become
>thinner and thinner, and then at the end it's an X-File. Not saying
>she's always wrong, but if Mulder weren't usually right, this show would
>not be TXF.

Just a few examples - his *first* ideas are often not right and by arguing
back and forth with Scully he comes to different conclusions (remember
"worm holes" in Dod Kalm? How 'bout the "foxfire" in Our Town? to name a
few).

>She didn't in "Never Again." That's why Mulder was annoyed with her.

No, she *did* give him credit. She flew to Philly and spent the day
following his lead alone. She gathered evidence (that we also saw) showing
it was a mob deal. They were trying to extort money for this UFO
information just like they were extorting from the shop owners. She did
"as told".

>I was not saying that Mulder was right in this episode. What I'm saying
>is that at the *outset,* when Scully expressed utter disdain for the
>case, she had little basis for her attitude.

Well, I think the cartoon connection was a little much for her.

>She did abandon him during the questioning, and she dropped his case
>rather quickly. Again, to some extent I am presenting events as they
>would have appeared to him, rather than what really went on. Scully may
>have been fully justified in dropping the case, but from what Mulder had
>seen up to that point, she never gave a damn to begin with and probably
>just said "to heck with it." She gave him grounds for doubting her.

She walked away - it isn't like she left the country like some people we
know. I'm looking at what went on in this episode and I don't think she
gave him reason to doubt her and I do think she was justified in (not
dropping as you say), but handing over the case to the proper division.

>Are you suggesting that Scully would have wanted to accompany him on
>that absurd adventure?

A phone call woulda been nice as her ass was on the line for him.

>> 3) He took off for HongKong and the only reason she knew is she called
>> him.
>
>He called her from a pay phone, did he not? I seem to recall him saying
>"Look, I have to go to Hong Kong." They had been pursuing different
>angles to the case, and his had led him to the airport. She had been
>off at some army base. Did she call him on his cell-phone? Are you
>sure? (I cannot remember clearly). Anyway, when events unfold quickly,
>he can't always take 5 to bring her up to date.

No he didn't call her - she called him and luckily caught him before he
left the country. Sorry, but it wouldn't have been difficult for him to
call her while driving to the airport.

>If there is anyone out there who works for the FBI, now would be a good
>time to weigh in. I contend that, as the senior partner, Mulder has
>some authority over her. He's not her supervisor, but he is senior, and
>my guess is that carries a lot of weight in old J. Edgar's Bureau.

Well, I just don't know. Their superiors always seem to treat them as
equals.

>I do not disagree. I just think that it was unfair of you to suggest
>that Mulder is nothing more than a petulant 12-year-old.

Hmm. I'm not sure that I did.

>Well, he was exasperated, and with some reason. I won't go so far as to
>say that Mulder is utterly blameless -- he did contribute to all of
>this, but I still say that Scully was the real cause and that Mulder is
>*not* a punk.

LOL. Scott, that is spelled PUNK not punk. ;-) You don't want to invoke
wrath of MYRKE.

Thanks again for the fun,

Milton L. Campbell

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Feb 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/9/97
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>>-For the people out there who will insist that Scully slept with Ed
>>(and you know they are out there) I offer the following evidence: not
>>only does he wake up on the couch and she in the bed, but in the
>>morning she still has on her pantyhose when you see her bare feet.
>>What woman would have sex and then put pantyhose back on
>
>
> Maybe she never took them off.....kinda makes your toes
>curl up, don't it???
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>

Wouldn't that...welll...CHAFE a bit??
annie
cog2/3
XV MS Teacher & GG


CARNIE ONE

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Feb 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/21/97
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I know it's been argued well on both sides, but I have to comment: "Never
Again" was absolutely relevant on its central theme: S & M each fighting
their own approach-avoidance battle within as sexual-emotional tension
increases. Each is coming to grips with their own need for boundary &
control vs. mutual attraction, even (gasp) mutual dependence. So naturally
Mulder pulls back via humor and pretended obliviousness, while
Scully...seems to play a high school trick by getting herself into awkward
situation with another man. (Even if he hadn't turned out to be a freak.)
CC right: it all fits what we know about each one, though I had a few
problems with Scully going home with a guy she just met, knowing what she
does about the freaks at large.

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