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Fairly v. Carter
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The following is a transcription of court papers filed in
Los Angeles Superior Court. The case was brought by Judith A. Fairly against
Chris Carter, Howard Gordon and FOX.

The court papers were provided by Pisher.

These papers are transcribed exactly as they were filed. Poor punctuation is
the fault of the lawyers. Misspelling is probably my fault. - Jamie

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FILED - LOS ANGELES SUPERIOR COURT
Sep. 09, 1996
John A. Clarke, Clerk - by C. Coleman, Deputy


Benjamin Schonburn, Bar No. 118323
V. James De Simone, Bar Nol 119668
Michael D. Seplow, Bar No. 150183
SCHONBRUN & DE SIMONE
723 Ocean Front Walk, Suite 100
Venice, CA 90291
Telephone: (310) 396-0731

Attorneys for Plaintiff
Judith A. Fairly


SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES


JUDITH A. FAIRLY, Plaintiff

v.

20TH CENTURY FOX FILM CORPORATION, INC.,
20TH CENTURY FOX TELEVISION, INC.,
FOX, INC.,
10-13 PRODUCTIONS,
CHRIS CARTER, HOWARD GORDON,
and DOES 1 through 50, inclusive, Defendants.

NO. BC157040

COMPAINT FOR DAMAGES: SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND DISCRIMINATION IN VIOLATION OF
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 12940, ET SEQ. (FAIR EMPLOYMENT AND HOUSING ACT);
SEXUAL HARASSMENT, DISCRIMINATION AND RETALIATION IN VIOLATION OF PUBLIC
POLICY; RETALIATION FOR OPPOSING SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN VIOLATION OF GOVERNMENT
CODE SECTION 12940 (f),
VIOLATION OF RALPH CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, CIVIL CODE SECTION 51.7, ASSAULT AND
BATTERY; AGE DISCRIMINATION; INTENTIONAL AND NEGLIGENT INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL
DISTRESS, NEGLIGENT RETENTION AND SUPERVISION

Plaintiff JUDITH A. FAIRLY ("plaintiff" or "Ms. Fairly") make the following
allegations to support this
complaint:


JURISDICTION AND VENUE

1. This Court has personal jurisdiction over the defendants because they are
residents of and doing business in the State of California.

2. Venue is proper in this county in accordance with Sections 394 and 395(a) of
the California Code of Civil procedure because the defendants reside in this
county and/or the alleged wrongs occured in this county.


PLAINTIFF


3. Plaintiff Judith A. Fairly at all times during the events alleged in this
Complaint was an employee of defendants 20th Century Fox Film Corporation, 20th
Centrury Fox Television Inc., Fox Inc., Chris Carter, Howard Gordon, 10-13
Productions and DOES 1 through 50. Plaintiff began her employment with
defendants in or about July, 1993 on the production of "The X-Files" television
series. From 1993 through 1995 (seasons 1 and 2 of "The X-Files"), plaintiff's
primary job responsibility was to serve as defendant Howard Gordon's assistant.
From 1995 through 1996 (Season 3), plaintiff was the Script Coordinator for
defendant Chris Carter, the creator, writer and executive producer of "The
X-Files" television series. At all times mentioned herein, plaintiff was a
resident of the County of Los Angeles, State of California.

DEFENDANTS

4. The true names and capacities, whether corporate, associate, individual or
otherwise of defendants, DOES 1 through 50, inclusive, are unknown to the
plaintiff, who therefore sues said defendants by such fictitious names. Each of
the defendants designated herein as a DOE is negligently or otherwise legally
responsible in some manner for the events and happenings herein referred to and
caused injuries and damages proximately thereby to the plaintiff, as herein
alleged. Plaintiff will ask leave of Court to amend this Complaint to show
their names and capacities when the same have been ascertained.

5. At all times herein mentioned, defendants, and each of them, were the
agents, representatives, employees, successors and/or assigns, each of the
other and at all times pertinent hereto were acting within the course and scope
of their authority as such agents, representatives, employees, successors
and./or assigns.

6. Plaintiff is informed and believes, and thereon alleges, that at all times
herein mentioned, defendants 20th Century Fox Film Corporation, 20th Century
Fox Television, Inc. and Fox, Inc. ("the Fox defendants") and 10-13 Productions
are corporations or other business entities with their principal office located
in the county of Los Angeles, State of California, and are and were, at all
relevant times mentioned herein, "employers' within the meaning of both
Sections 12926 (d) and 12940 (h) (3) (A) of the California Government Code.

7. Plaintiff is informed and believes, and thereon alleges, that defendants
Chris Carter (hereinafter "Carter"), and Howard Gordon (hereinafter "Gordon"),
and DOES 25 through 50 were at all relevant times herein mentioned, individuals
employed by defendants 20th Centruy Fox Film Corporation, 20th Century Fox
Television, Inc., Fox, Inc., and 10-13 Producitons as supervisions, managerial
employees, and/or managing agents. Defendant Carter, was, and is, the creator,
writer and executive producer of "The X-Files" television series and at all
times alleged herein was plaintiff's ultimate supervisor. Defendant Gordon was,
and is, the co-executive producer and head writer for "The X-Files" television
series and was plaintiff's direct and immediate supervisor from 1993 through
1995. "The X-Files" was and is one of the top rated television shows on the Fox
network, generating millions
of dollars in advertising revenue for the Fox defendants. In addition, "The
X-Files" has spawned a legion of cult followers, who spend millions of dollars
on "The X-Files" related merchandise, in what has become a very lucrative
cottage industry. Further, defendants collect additional considerable sums
through syndication rights, foreign sales and licensing of "The X-Files."

8. Plaintiff is informed and believes, and thereon alleges, that at all
relevant times herein mentioned, defendants Carter and Gordon were residents of
the County of Los Angeles, State of California.


FACTS COMMON TO ALL COUNTS

9. Beginning in or about July 1993, and lasting up through and including April
1996, defendants Carter, Gordon and DOES 26 through 50, and each of them, while
acting in the course and scope of their employment with defendants 20th Century
Fox Film, Corp., 20th Century Fox Television, Inc., Fox, Inc., 10-13
Productions and DOES 1 through 25 and/or in carrying out the policies and
practices of these defendants, sexually harassed and discrimanted against
plaintiff by engaging in a pattern of continous, pervasive and ongoing
offensive and unwelcome sexual conduct, including, but not limited to, those
alleged herein.


10. Throughout the course of plaintiff's employment with defendants, there
existed a sexually hostile work environment which included, without limitation,
verbal, physical and visual harassment. Defendants' pattern and practice of
sexual harassment began shortly after plaintiff commenced working for
defendants in July, 1993. The sexually hostile environment was pervasive and
filtered down from defendant Carter to other supervisory executives, including
but not limited to, defendant Gordon and others.

11. Commencing with the first season of "The X-Files" in 1993-1994, defendants
Carter and Gordon regularly initiated discussions about sex with plaintiff
during the course of business. On one occasion Carter asked about plaintiff's
private relationship with her boyfriend. When plaintiff responded that her
relationship did not have a future because her boyfriend did not want to get
married and have a family, Carter told plaintiff to lie down on his couch and
he would get her pregnant.

Plaintiff was shocked and embarrassed by Carter's statement. On another
occasion at a company Christmas party, plaintiff was in a conversation with
female co-workers when Carter lifted up his shirt and demanded that they pay
homage to his physique.

12. On numerous occasions during her employment with defendants, Carter rubbed
plaintiff's neck in a familiar and suggestive manner even though plaintiff did
nothing to initiate this unwanted touching. These neck rubs were unwelcome and
made plaintiff uncomfortable. Moreover, on numerous other occasions Carter
would engage plaintiff in conversations of a personal and sexual nature.
Although plaintiff was uncomfortable with the personal content of Carter's
conversations, she feared alienating her boss. Accordingly, in a non-combative
manner, plaintiff would often try to steer the conversation away from sex or
would try to brush his comments aside. Further, plaintiff noticed that during
these incidents, Carter would act friendlier towards plaintiff. Consequently,
plaintiff quickly learned that by tolerating Carter's penchant for sexual
dialogue, she would be able to maintain her job security. Plaintiff desperately
needed her job to pay her bills and was afraid that alienating her employer
would cause her to lose her job. Thus, plaintiff's accommodation of Carter's
unwelcome sexual dialogue had implicitly been made a condition of her continued
job security. Accordingly, plaintiff tolerated these unwelcome sexual
conversations and the unsolicited neck rubs despite her uneasiness.

13. Moreover, plaintiff witnessed defendant Gordon fondling female employees in
the work place. In addition to Carter and Gordon, other employees on "The
X-Files" would reqularly comment on Ms. Fairly's body, make sexual gestures,
grab their croches and suggest that Ms. Fairly get drunk with them and have sex
together. Plaintiff was embarrassed and offended by these unwelcome sexual
remarks and gestures.

14. Defendant Carter appeared to enjoy talking about sexual matters in the
presence of plaintiff during working hours. Plaintiff always felt uncomfortable
engaging in such sexual discussions with her employer: nonetheless she was led
to believe that such conversations had become a "de facto" job requirement and
tht if she did not participate in such conversations, Carter and other
supervisors would become upset with her and her job and career would be
jeopardized. Based upon her observations plaintiff reasonably believed that
Carter was unstable. Indeed, plaintiff often witnessed Carter, Gordon and other
male writers consuming Scotch in the workplace during regular work hours.
Further, plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that Carter was
taking prescription drugs, such as Xanax and Valium. Moreover, plaintiff was
aware of incidents in which Carter had exploded in violent anger. On one
occasion, Carter kicked a hole in the wall of his office. Accordingly,
plaintiff believed that Carter was volatile and would retaliate against her if
she objected too strenuously to his sexually harassing conduct.


15. By the Fall of 1995, Carter's actions towards plaintiff were becoming
progressively more personal and more overtly sexual and offensive. In one
incident which occurred in or about October or November 1995, Carter physically
confronted plaintiff. While Carter was chest to chest with plaintiff, he
mockingly told plaintiff "this is not sexual harassment, I'm just getting in
your face." Plaintiff was deeply offended and frightened by Carter's offensive
conduct.

16. From 1993 through 1996, plaintiff was subjected to a sexually hostile and
intimidating environment which existed throughout the entire "X-Files"
production offices and which was perpetrated by defendans Carter, Gordon and
other executives.

This hostile environment included, without limitation:

---Ongoing sexual remarks, offensive sexual conduct and comments by male
executives and employees,
including defendants Carter and Gordon, regarding plaintiff, other female
employees and the female
anatomy in general. Such unwelcome remarks included asking women what kind of
underwear they were
wearing. On one occasion, a male employee downloaded a memo from the internet
on how to give
oral sex and stood in the hallway outside of plaintiff's office reading from
the memo. Plaintiff was
disgusted and slammed her door shut.

---Displaying and viewing pornographic magazines, videotapes and other sexually
explicit objects in
the work place, including such titles as the "Sex Files" and the "XXX-Files."
Indeed, a producer of the
"X-Files" proudly displayed a small wooden penis on his desk. On another
occasion, a male employee
taped a photograph to the computer of a female employee which depicted a male
actor clad in a
bodysuit to which the employee had added a long curved penis. Plaintiff was
offended by this display
and removed the photograph.

---Inviting female strippers and adult film actresses to visit the offices to
meet with the show's producers,
writers and directors, including defendants Carter and Gordon, on the pretext
of casting for parts.


17. Plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that defendants
pursued a discriminatory policy and
practice of hiring young women whom they could manipulate emotionally and
sexually. In that regard, defendant Gordon counselled plaintiff (who was over
40 years old) to lie about her age for both professional and
social reasons. Indeed, Gordon indicated to plaintiff that if she pretended to
be younger than she was, her
career would benefit.

18. Plaintiff is informed and believes, and thereon alleges, that her workplace
was infested with sexually
harassing and discriminatory conduct from the highest levels of management
down, and that defendants 20th Century Fox Films, 20th Century Fox Television,
Inc., Fox, Inc., 10-13 Productions, and Does 1 through 25, and each of them,
acquiesced in and permitted such conduct to occur, in a manner which was
grossly negligent, reckless, wilful, malicious and deliberately indiffernet to
plaintiff's personal rights to a discrimination-free work environmnt. This
conduct included creating an environment in which women were treated and
referred to as mere sexual objects existing primarily for the prurient interest
of the male executives and employees.

19. Plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that defendants 20th
Century Fox Film Corporation, 20th Century Fox Television, Inc., Fox, Inc.,
10-13 Productions, and DOES 1 through 25, and each of them, knew or should have
known of the sexually hostile environment surrounding the production of "The
X-Files" television series, yet chose to ignore this problem because the show
was a tremendous financial success. In particular, plaintiff is informed and
believes and thereon alleges that defendants 20th Century Fox Film Corporation,
20th Century Fox Televisin, Inc., Fox, Inc., 10-13 Productions, and DOES 1
through 25, and each of them, knew or should have known that Carter and Gordon
had tendencies to abuse their positions of power to create a sexually hostile
environment for female employees. Despite their actual and constructive
knowledge of the prurient tendencies of Carter, Gordon and other employees, the
Fox defendants failed to take any action to protect female employees such as
plaintiff from being subjected to the sexually hostile environment surrounding
the production offices of "The X-Files."


20. In particular, plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that
Carter was known in the Vancouver production offices of "The X-Files" as the
"Walking Orgasm." Moreover, plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon
alleges that while in Los Angeles, defendants Carter, Gordon and other male
"X-Files" writers and employees regularly visited the "20-20 Club" during work
hours to leer at naked woman and receive "lap dances" from female strippers.
Plaintiff is further informed and believes and thereon alleges that Carter and
Gordon have engaged in inappropriate sexual contact with other women in the
workplace, including but not limited to, assistants, researcheres, secretaries
and others.


21. Plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that despite their
actual and constructive knowledge of Carter's and Gordon's sexual conduct and
the pervasive hostile environment surround "The X-Files", defendants 20th
Century Fox Film Corporation, 20th Century Fox Television Inc., Fox, Inc.,
10-13 Productions, and Does 1 through 25 continued to coddle and reward Carter
because he was and is their "golden boy" whose crative talents translated into
enormous revenues for these defendants. Indeed, plaintiff is informed and
believes and thereon alleges that these defendants have recently entered into a
new multi-million dollar deal with Carter to produce a new series for Fox
entitled "Millennium". Accordingly, these defendants effectively ratified
Carter's and Gordon's extreme and outrageous sexual conduct.


22. In or about April, 1996, plaintiff complained to the Fox Human Resources
Department about the sexually hostile environment at "The X-files." Plaintiff
stated that she could no longer continue to work in such a hostile environment,
and that she feared retaliation by Carter, Gordon and others who worked on "The
X-Files." Moreover, plaintiff filed charges of sexual harassment with the
California Department of Fair Employment & Housing ("DFEH"). In connection with
her internal and DFEH complaints, plaintiff was subjected to numerous
interviews by Fox Human Resources personnel and by Fox attorneys. Thereafter,
plaintiff was moved to a different position with the Fox defendants. Despite
the Fox defendants' assurances that plaintiff would not be in contact with
members of "The X-Files" production company, plaintiff regularly is exposed to
executives and other employees with knowledge of her complaints. Nonetheless,
plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that defendants 20th
Century Fox Films, 20th Century Television Inc., Fox, Inc. and 10-13
Productions and Does 1 through 25 have failed to take any appropriate action to
discipline Carter, Gordon and others for their involvement in creating and
maintaining the sexually hostile work environment at "The X-Files".
Accordingly, these defendants have effectively ratified Carter's and Gordon's
sexually inappropriate conduct in the workplace by failing to promptly and
adequately investigate and discipline these individuals.

23. As part of the defendants' purported "investigation" of sexual harassment
charges regarding "The X-Files," Ms. Fairly was subjected to several interviews
by defendants. Despite Ms. Fairly's cooperation in submitting to several
interviews without counsel present, in July 1996 defendants demanded yet
another interview of plaintiff without her counsel present. Plaintiff is
informed and believes and thereon alleges that defendants' demand for a future
interview was pre-textual, vexing and harassing in that defendants have already
interviewed plaintiff on numerous occasions without the presence of her
counsel. indeed, plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that
because plaintiff has filed charges with the DFEH and has indicated her
intention to commence litigation against defendants, the true purposes of
defendants' request is to vex and annoy plaintiff and obtain undue advantage in
this litigation. Nonetheless, plaintiff offered to provide defendants with yet
another interview if her counsel were present or to respond to written
questions in the event that defendants have any follow-up questions. Despite
plaintiff's willingness to cooperate with defendants, defendants have placed a
letter of reprimand in plaintiff's personnel file and have threatened to
discipline plaintiff and/or terminate her employment.
Accordingly, plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that
defendants' reprimand of plaintiff is in retaliation for plaintiff's having
filed discrimination charges against defendants.

24. As a direct and legal result of the acts and omissions of the defendants,
and each of them, plaintiff was greatly injured, distressed and disturbed and
suffered, among other things, insomnia, headaches, neck and back pain, skin
rashes and infections, extreme fatigue, depession, suicidal ideation, inability
to concentrate, stomach and intestinal pain, fear, discomfort and anxiety.
Plaintiff does not know at this time the exact nature, extent or duration of
said injuries, but is informed and believes, and thereon alleges, that some of
the injuries are reasonably certain to be permanent in character.

25. As a further legal result of the acts and omissions of the defendants, and
each of them, plaintiff has been forced to incur expenses for medical and
psychological care, and is informed and believes, and thereon alleges, that
plaintiff will in the future be forced to incur additional expenses of the same
nature, all in an amount which is at present unknown. Plaintiff will pray leave
of Court to show the exact amount of said expenses at time of trial.

dimduk

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"SIRPAUL10" <sirp...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Fairly v. Carter
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
I knew he was a Shipper, but damn CC, hit the showers. : )
( dimduk, her ass ment trouble ) : P
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Vice is the spice of life.


kim

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Jun 5, 2002, 11:10:43 PM6/5/02
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(1) Old news

(2) And exactly *what* was proven *in court*?

(3) I've seen better petitions.

(4) Did you get off reading this SirPaul?

No, don't answer the last one. Don't want to know. Ewww.

W. Blaine Dowler

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Jun 5, 2002, 11:34:16 PM6/5/02
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kim wrote:

> (1) Old news

He can't answer you until he finished cleaning his keyboard, anyway.

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TrueBlueStef

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"W. Blaine Dowler" <fiz...@bureau42.com> wrote in message
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Actually, SirPaul is a female...but don't judge us all by her actions, okay?


--

TrueBlueStef
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pica...@yahoo.com

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Jun 6, 2002, 8:19:17 AM6/6/02
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>
> > > (2) And exactly *what* was proven *in court*?
>

The California courts dismissed the case with prejudice (which
basically means the case was dismissed for good reason and the
plantiff can't sue again on the same matter.) So, absolutely nothing
was proven in court. We've still got that innocent until proven
guilty rule, right?

W. Blaine Dowler

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Jun 6, 2002, 8:56:59 AM6/6/02
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TrueBlueStef wrote:

> Actually, SirPaul is a female...but don't judge us all by her actions,
> okay?

OK.

kim

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Jun 6, 2002, 2:14:38 PM6/6/02
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pica...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:<533ff5c8.02060...@posting.google.com>...

Indeed, nothing was proven in court at all. It's a matter of
accusation, some discovery, settlement, and dismissal.

To Ms. Fairly, the settlement means she possibly 'got less' than a
jury would have awarded her but she also didn't take on the burden,
and risk, of proving every element of her case before the finder of
fact (in this case, a jury.) . That was her choice at settlement.

To the defendants, the settlement means they 'bought peace', throwing
some money the Plaintiff's way, possibly paying more money than they
would have had a jury sided with them, but also reducing their risk of
greater financial exposure, and further, ending heartache,
distraction, bad PR and the accumulation of attorneys fees.

I note that the DOE plaintiffs were corporate entities and officers
associated up the chain of the FOX ladder, not, as someone had
previously claimed, the X-Files male actors.

The amount of settlement has not, we notice, been disclosed. It could
be a dollar. It could be lot of dollars. It isn't, I'm sure, a million
dollars.

So what does a settlement 'prove' as far as who is 'guilty' and the
'real facts' ? Say it with me children - nothing.

One more time: anyone with a filing fee and piece of paper can accuse
anyone of anything. Doesn't mean beans. Neither do settlements.

Buffy

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Jun 6, 2002, 3:48:33 PM6/6/02
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>
>
>"SIRPAUL10" <sirp...@aol.com> wrote

>
>> On another
>> occasion at a company Christmas party, plaintiff was in a conversation with
>> female co-workers when Carter lifted up his shirt and demanded that they
>pay
>> homage to his physique.
>
>
>There's a problem with this? Oh, shit.

>
>
>> Based upon her observations plaintiff reasonably believed that
>> Carter was unstable. Indeed, plaintiff often witnessed Carter, Gordon and
>other
>> male writers consuming Scotch in the workplace during regular work hours.
>
>Unstable, or throwbacks?

>
>
>
>> 20. In particular, plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges
>that
>> Carter was known in the Vancouver production offices of "The X-Files" as
>the
>> "Walking Orgasm."
>
>I'll betcha GWB didn't come up with that nickname.

>
>
>
>> Plaintiff is further informed and believes and thereon alleges that Carter
>and
>> Gordon have engaged in inappropriate sexual contact with other women in the
>> workplace, including but not limited to, assistants, researcheres,
>secretaries
>> and others.
>
>..others, like, redheaded co-stars?
>
>
>
>--
>
>Tony

I am no CC fan, but this case was dismissed years ago.
Buffy

dimduk

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"TrueBlueStef" <True_...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> Actually, SirPaul is a female...but don't judge us all by her actions,
okay?
>
Is she single? : P
( dimduk, horney )

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Buffy

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Jun 6, 2002, 10:14:24 PM6/6/02
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>
>
>Rumor has it that Buffy put forth the following:
>
>>I am no CC fan
>
>But you enjoyed the XF? Watched it every week for years? Participated in the
>fandom it created? Followed the careers of at least one of the stars the show
>created? Bought the videos, DVDs, magazines, and movie tickets?
>
>I don't get it, but oh well. I guess TXF was just created spontaneously out
>of
>nothing, springing as it were from a rock somewhere completely and totally
>formed, and had a life of its own for nine years without the input of any one
>human being, since it was born a living, breathing entity that owned nothing
>to
>no one.
>
>Maybe that's it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hank Vaughn

I didn't say I wasn't a fan of CC shows, just not of the man himself. It is
possible to like something that someone has created and not like the person who
created it.
Buffy

Buffy

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Jun 6, 2002, 10:18:42 PM6/6/02
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>
>
>Rumor has it that Buffy put forth the following:
>
>>I am no CC fan
>
>But you enjoyed the XF? Watched it every week for years? Participated in the
>fandom it created? Followed the careers of at least one of the stars the show
>created? Bought the videos, DVDs, magazines, and movie tickets?
>
>I don't get it, but oh well. I guess TXF was just created spontaneously out
>of
>nothing, springing as it were from a rock somewhere completely and totally
>formed, and had a life of its own for nine years without the input of any one
>human being, since it was born a living, breathing entity that owned nothing
>to
>no one.
>
>Maybe that's it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hank Vaughn

You know, this is pretty uncalled for really. I say that even though I don't
particularly like CC that I don't think bringing up a dismissed lawsuit
(dismissed by the plaintiff, even, I believe) is a good thing and you find that
offensive somehow? Whatever.
Buffy


SamPiper

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Jun 6, 2002, 10:28:23 PM6/6/02
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>From: david...@aol.com (Buffy)

>I didn't say I wasn't a fan of CC shows, just not of the man himself. It is
>possible to like something that someone has created and not like the person
>who created it.

Precisely.

There is a potential triple crown on the line Saturday, something that hasnt
been done in 24 years. Do you have any idea how many people who are supposed
to be more open minded and know better I have run across in the last week that
not only hope the horse loses but some even want it to *breakdown*! just
because the owner is an Arab prince. It's fucking asinine. I'm cheering for
the horse, I dont give a shit who owns him, the owner isnt the one that has to
run the race.

Likes and dislikes should be determined by merit, not based on how you feel
about some individual behind the scenes.

Sam
Baseball Whore, MBC Shapeshifter, and Official ATXF Debunker
"Shut up, Mulder. I'm playing baseball"

Buffy

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Jun 6, 2002, 11:48:01 PM6/6/02
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>
>
>david...@aol.com (Buffy) wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Rumor has it that Buffy put forth the following:
>>>
>>>>I am no CC fan
>>>
>>>But you enjoyed the XF? Watched it every week for years? Participated in
>the
>>>fandom it created? Followed the careers of at least one of the stars the
>show
>>>created? Bought the videos, DVDs, magazines, and movie tickets?
>>>
>>>I don't get it, but oh well. I guess TXF was just created spontaneously out
>>>of
>>>nothing, springing as it were from a rock somewhere completely and totally
>>>formed, and had a life of its own for nine years without the input of any
>one
>>>human being, since it was born a living, breathing entity that owned
>nothing
>>>to
>>>no one.
>>>
>>>Maybe that's it.
>>
>>You know, this is pretty uncalled for really. I say that even though I don't
>>particularly like CC that I don't think bringing up a dismissed lawsuit
>>(dismissed by the plaintiff, even, I believe) is a good thing and you find
>that
>>offensive somehow? Whatever.
>
>It wasn't really necessary to qualify your statement with "I am no CC
>fan" though, was it?
>
>Cindy

I don't wanna wrestle.

Buffy

Robin Tyme

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sirp...@aol.com (SIRPAUL10) wrote in message news:<20020605165007...@mb-fe.aol.com>...
>
>

>
> > 13. plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that Carter was


> taking prescription drugs, such as Xanax and Valium. Moreover, plaintiff was
> aware of incidents in which Carter had exploded in violent anger. On one
> occasion, Carter kicked a hole in the wall of his office. >


Is that all?? Jeez I have a less stressful job; don't have to deal
with FOX assholes and have taken more prescriptions than that!! :-)
And don't ask me about the time my beeper mysteriously was found in
pieces under my desk!

Hear that Mr. Sorkin? "prescription drugs"

Anyhoo, agree with other posters here...this happened years ago and
the case was settled. Get a life Madam Paul.

Robin Tyme
who's glad her boss hasn't lifted up his shirt!!

TomBli

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Jun 7, 2002, 4:49:03 PM6/7/02
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dimduk-> <<I knew he was a Shipper, but damn CC, hit the showers. : )>>

When it read that Carter went in for lap dances by female strippers...I did a
double take after reading it as female SHIPPERS!

ToM

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