Scully, a smoker ?
Blue4N
doesn't usually sleep around... They were making the point that the cosmic
concentration was making everyone crazy, and lose control of themselves to
bad urges, even our intrepid agents...
Shock value, you know?
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The Jan 26th epsiode of the X files was the first time I've ever seen Scully
smoking. Has she smoked before on the show ?
Thanks
Tony
Juliettt
snuck one of her mother's cigarettes when she was a young girl. But
evidently she thought it was "gross," and, of course, she is a doctor. . .
. You might want to post this on alt.tv.x-files, as I'm almost certain
there's a discussion going on there on this topic.
J
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: No, she's not a smoker, and Mulder doesn't drink, and that detective
: doesn't usually sleep around... They were making the point that the cosmic
: concentration was making everyone crazy, and lose control of themselves to
: bad urges, even our intrepid agents...
Yeah, but, Scully still drove through the stop signs without
braking, even though the comsic karma was supposed to have passed...well,
if we could view this positively, it probably means GA's going to do more
car chase scenes...:)
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Cyronwode
>No, she's not a smoker, and Mulder doesn't drink, and that detective
>doesn't usually sleep around... They were making the point that the
cosmic
>concentration was making everyone crazy, and lose control of themselves
to
>bad urges, even our intrepid agents...
>
>Shock value, you know?
Wrong. Mulder *said* he doesn't drink, but we know he was lying because we
saw him drinking scotch out of a bottle in "War of the Coprophages" only
ONE WEEK earlier.
We know NOTHING about whether Detective White "sleeps around," because
we've never seen her before.
Scully has never smoked.
This was not "shock value" -- it was a total lack of characterization
continuity. It was just a bad episode, that's all, but a *spectacularly*
bad one, definitely the all-time worst in the series.
catherine yronwode
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Juliettt
don't usually. . . ." I got the idea that he doesn't drink as a habit,
and doesn't get drunk.
In "War" he had a drink with the scientist (Dr. Bugrobot, as I have dubbed
him) -- and I thought it was out of a glass. . . . Oh, well.
I didn't think this ep was "spectacularly bad." There were some problems
with it, but I thought it was much, MUCH better than "The List," etc. In
fact, if this is the exception that proves the rule (that is, an
occasional funny episode amid a slew of dark ones), well and good. I do
question the advisability of airing this back-to-back with "War" the
previous week, however,
We've had some laughs -- I don't know about y'all, but I'm ready for some
shivers now. . . .
Juliettt
aired. I *believe* the discussion was about Ms. Anderson, not Scully,
because of the _Rolling Stone_ pictures.
Also, does anyone have any clue how to cut out some of the groups in a
cross-posted response? I'm responding to this from a.t.x.c., and it
shouldn't be here (that's why I suggested the poster post this to a.t.x.
in my last letter, before I knew it was a cross-post). It really doesn't
belong on the creative board, nor does it belong on alt.xfiles.binaries.
It should *only* be posted to alt.tv.xfiles, but I have no way of fixing
it that I can see, so I'm posting anyway hoping someone else can correct
this so it doesn't waste bandwidth. . . .
Thanks.
Christine Gust
: continuity. It was just a bad episode, that's all, but a *spectacularly*
: bad one, definitely the all-time worst in the series.
My friend and I decided, while watching the episode in question,
that the creative team behind x-files must've thrown a party for
themselves and the new season pickup, gotten insidiously wasted,
and this show was the fruit from that soiree.
We knew something was very odd when we realized the elegies were
identical (first 15 minutes) And we giggled when we saw Mulder
using the orange juice concentrate for his beverage. Happy college
days!
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>No, she's not a smoker, and Mulder doesn't drink, and that detective
>doesn't usually sleep around... They were making the point that the
cosmic
>concentration was making everyone crazy, and lose control of
themselves to
>bad urges, even our intrepid agents...
>
>Shock value, you know?
Although, it was mentioned in "Beyond the Sea" that 14-year-old Scully
once took one of her mother's cigarettes and tried it - and hated it.
Victor Pavski
: blu...@aol.com (Blue4N) wrote:
: We know NOTHING about whether Detective White "sleeps around," because
: we've never seen her before.
: Scully has never smoked.
On the show. Who knows about her past?
: This was not "shock value" -- it was a total lack of characterization
: continuity. It was just a bad episode, that's all, but a *spectacularly*
: bad one, definitely the all-time worst in the series.
Shuuure
Much worse than,say
"Space", "Fearful Symmetry", "Dold Kalm", "Soft Light", "DPO", "2Shy"
"Excelius Dei"....
Nothing like a good'ole Monster of the Week episode for ingenuity,
creativity...character development.
GWaaad. You may not have appreciated any of the humour in this one
but, face it, it was completely unlike anything ever attempted before,
and I'll take originality over The Formula any day of the week.
And that out-of-character aspect you refer two is called PARODY or
SATIRE, in case you were wondering.
Vic
Who's amazed that some people will go to amazing lengths to find a
YTV spoof, but go into apoplectic fits the minute X-files satirizes
itself.
Rick Seiden
> continuity.
I don't agree. I think that she was smoking because of the planetary
alignment garbage that was going around. We know that the principal, for
example, wasn't normally like that because detective white told us so when
Mulder asked. We know that Scully doesn't smoke, so I don't think it was
a lack of "characterization continuity," but rather showing us just how
much the planets were affecting the people of this city.
>It was just a bad episode, that's all, but a *spectacularly*
> bad one, definitely the all-time worst in the series.
>
Have to agree with you on that one. As the girls Terry and Margie would
say "Hate it!"
Rick Seiden
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Constance Farmer
it up until this ep. People who don't smoke normally don't go out and
start out of the blue at thirtyone. If however they tried it out in HS
or college it isn't inconceivable that she would start again under
stress.
As for the ep itself -- I don't know if I like it or not. I want to
see what they are going to do with it. If they ignore it then bummer.
If they make the relationship worse I'll hate it. If they use it as a
jumping off point to get them together I'll like it. It definitely
doesn't stand alone well.
It is sure going to inspire a lot of Fan fic.--From the looks of stuff
I've read after people watched this ep the fan fic is going to be
depressing.
E
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Ray A. Hill
rab...@primenet.com (Robert A. Black) wrote:
**In article <4efjku$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, blu...@aol.com (Blue4N)
**wrote:
**>No, she's not a smoker, and Mulder doesn't drink, and that detective
**>doesn't usually sleep around... They were making the point that the
**cosmic
**>concentration was making everyone crazy, and lose control of
**themselves to
**>bad urges, even our intrepid agents...
**>
**>Shock value, you know?
**
**Although, it was mentioned in "Beyond the Sea" that 14-year-old Scully
**once took one of her mother's cigarettes and tried it - and hated it.
It could have been my reception, but I watched that seen over and over (about
5x), and I saw NO smoke coming from the cigarette. There are cigs that actors
use that light up to simulate a smoke. I think this one was a fake. Watch it
again, carefully too! Notice how long the cig is, she took at least 2 puffs,
the cig appeared to remain the same size. Check again.
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Juliettt
pedals. . . .
I got the idea that she just wanted to get out of Dodge, ya know? And who
could blame her?
J
Sure. Fine. Whatever.
Arlene Ogden
>blu...@aol.com (Blue4N) wrote:
>>No, she's not a smoker, and Mulder doesn't drink, and that detective
>>doesn't usually sleep around... They were making the point that the
>cosmic
>>concentration was making everyone crazy, and lose control of themselves
>to
>>bad urges, even our intrepid agents...
>>
>>Shock value, you know?
>Wrong. Mulder *said* he doesn't drink, but we know he was lying because we
>saw him drinking scotch out of a bottle in "War of the Coprophages" only
>ONE WEEK earlier.
>We know NOTHING about whether Detective White "sleeps around," because
>we've never seen her before.
>Scully has never smoked.
>This was not "shock value" -- it was a total lack of characterization
>continuity. It was just a bad episode, that's all, but a *spectacularly*
>bad one, definitely the all-time worst in the series.
>
I think you REALLY missed it. It WAS a commedy about the town Comity.
Geeze people! Lighten up. My husband and I thought it was a great
ep.
Regards,
Arlene
Spring Nguyen
As a smoker, and VCR owner, I watched the seen several times to determine
whether or not there was smoke- yes there was!!! Of course that doesn't
prove anything since Smoking Man (have we forgotten!!!!) has smoke coming
out of every crevice in his body, but those are "herbal cigarettes"
(don't ask me I have no idea what that means either!). Nonetheless, the
tape is inconclusive, but still fun for "smoke interested" XF Fans. We
are to that scene as the Lone Gunmen are to the MaGruder film- trust me
on this
-spring
smoke springer (oh the days of yore)
Marisa Blenman
On 28 Jan 1996, Cyronwode wrote:
> Wrong. Mulder *said* he doesn't drink, but we know he was lying because we
> saw him drinking scotch out of a bottle in "War of the Coprophages" only
> ONE WEEK earlier.
Actually, he said he doesn't... usually. Saying he's lying is
stretching it a bit since we haven't really seen him drink a lot.
Ryan Storm
likely be the last, now that the planets are back to normal.
>////////////|=========================================== Brandon Storm
Dana Winrow
> It is most likely that Scully smoked breifly at one time but had given
> it up until this ep. People who don't smoke normally don't go out and
> start out of the blue at thirtyone. If however they tried it out in HS
> or college it isn't inconceivable that she would start again under
> stress.
and cyro...@aol.com wrote
> I simply cannot imagine a grown woman, a medical doctor, going into a
store and >saying, "Hmmmm, i feel tense -- i know -- i will try smoking
tobacco!"
There are a surprising amount of physicians who smoke cigarettes. There
was a group of students when I was in medical school who would go outside,
even in the cold Northeast winter, to smoke. So it is entirely possible
that Scully used to smoke in the past. (As shameful as that may be for a
medical student as well... maybe she smoked in high school... who knows
what she did in high school? Better yet, who knows what she and her best
friend did in high school....)
Dana
dee aye enn aye
Bart Gerardi
>In "War" he had a drink with the scientist (Dr. Bugrobot, as I have
>him) -- and I thought it was out of a glass. . . . Oh, well.
I remember the scene you're talking about, and I think you're right.
The bugguy needed a drink after seeing what Mulder brought him.
>I didn't think this ep was "spectacularly bad." There were some >problems
I agree, it was okay.
>fact, if this is the exception that proves the rule (that is, an
>occasional funny episode amid a slew of dark ones), well and good. I do
>question the advisability of airing this back-to-back with "War" the
>previous week, however,
Weren't there like two reruns in a row, too. That bugged me. So,
was it really back to back?
>We've had some laughs -- I don't know about y'all, but I'm ready for some
>shivers now. . . .
Mee tooo...
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Signifying Nothing
>
>As a smoker, and VCR owner, I watched the seen several times to determine
>whether or not there was smoke- yes there was!!! Of course that doesn't
>prove anything since Smoking Man (have we forgotten!!!!) has smoke coming
>out of every crevice in his body, but those are "herbal cigarettes"
>(don't ask me I have no idea what that means either!).
As an example, you can buy cigarettes made with cloves rather than
tobacco. They are legal no matter how old you are; they smell and
taste much better (IMO) but I have no idea whether they have a similar
effect to nicotine, moodwise. But I believe they are safe on the lungs,
which tobacco isn't.
I too watched the scene carefully. At first we see Scully with the cig
already in her mouth, no smoke. She removes it from her mouth, paces
around, puts it back in her mouth and takes a puff. We see the end of
the cigarette light up, and there is a little smoke.
OK, call me fanatical. *shrug*
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john lowe
wrote:
> In article <4ekam3$s...@merlin.delphi.com>, Spring Nguyen
<lpc...@mci.newscorp.com> writes:
> >
> >As a smoker, and VCR owner, I watched the seen several times to determine
> >whether or not there was smoke- yes there was!!! Of course that doesn't
> >prove anything since Smoking Man (have we forgotten!!!!) has smoke coming
> >out of every crevice in his body, but those are "herbal cigarettes"
> >(don't ask me I have no idea what that means either!).
>
> As an example, you can buy cigarettes made with cloves rather than
> tobacco. They are legal no matter how old you are; they smell and
> taste much better (IMO) but I have no idea whether they have a similar
> effect to nicotine, moodwise. But I believe they are safe on the lungs,
> which tobacco isn't.
>
This is off the subject somewhat, but still tangential, so...
As far as I know, cloves are actually much worse than tobacco cigarettes.
This could all be rumors, But I used to smoke 'em. Apparently, the tobacco
used for the filler is pretty low grade compared to the tobacco in basic
American cigs, a lot higher in the bad stuff. Plus, the cloves themselves
tear apart your lung lining, much like menthol cigs. I quit the first time
I coughed up blood.
There's alos ginseng cigarettes, btw, which smell utterly foul and taste
even worse.
SO, if cancer man or Scully are smoking cloves, they've got more than
cancer to worry about.
john
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billie
>I too watched the scene carefully. At first we see Scully with the cig
>already in her mouth, no smoke. She removes it from her mouth, paces
>around, puts it back in her mouth and takes a puff. We see the end of
>the cigarette light up, and there is a little smoke.
>OK, call me fanatical. *shrug*
>-joan the english chick
Ah...but did she inhale? :)
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>
>sdl...@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu (Signifying Nothing) wrote:
>
>
>>I too watched the scene carefully. At first we see Scully with the cig
>>already in her mouth, no smoke. She removes it from her mouth, paces
>>around, puts it back in her mouth and takes a puff. We see the end of
>>the cigarette light up, and there is a little smoke.
>
>>OK, call me fanatical. *shrug*
>>-joan the english chick
>
>
>Ah...but did she inhale? :)
Yes she did inhale....simply because Gillian Anderson smokes... like
crazy. I live in Vancouver where the series is shot and have seen her go
through four or five cigarettes in about half an hour
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> The Jan 26th epsiode of the X files was the first time I've ever seen Scully
> smoking. Has she smoked before on the show ?
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> The Jan 26th epsiode of the X files was the first time I've ever seen Scully
> smoking. Has she smoked before on the show ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony
I don't think so.....Dana was smoking and Fox was drinking Vodka because
of the "harmonic convergence" or whatever it was that made everybody
crazy.
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>No... I think they were sort of accenting the fact that things aren't
>exactly normal on the show right now. Not that there is a real standard
>of normal on The X-Files. The idea is that they're all acting strange
>because of the astrology thing. Get it?
>
That was the impression I got too... but it was still very very
odd.... for a moment I was going to have to rethink my opinion of
GA... but she's still a fox...errr... babe.. err.. will 'cute'
suffice? ehhe..
-Griffin
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Al Dahlen
asked her when she started smoking again.
Chris Turner
> In article
<Pine.PTX.3.91j.96013...@carson.u.washington.edu> Marisa
Blenman <risi...@u.washington.edu> writes:
> >From: Marisa Blenman <risi...@u.washington.edu>
> >Subject: Re: Scully, a smoker ?
> >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:47:24 -0800
> Does it really matter??
>
Well, no, it doesn't. :)
The point of that episode was that the whole town was going a little wacky
because of that star alignment thing. EVERYONE was doing things that were
out of character. That was the point. Having Mulder drinking and Scully
smoking was MEANT to make you go "Hey, there's something wrong here.
That's not right."
It was setting the mood for the episode in general. It did a good job
too, in my opinion.
-----Chris
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Sorry.
Mark Nobles
Marisa Blenman
On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, James Boe wrote:
> >From: Marisa Blenman <risi...@u.washington.edu>
>
> >On 28 Jan 1996, Cyronwode wrote:
> >> Wrong. Mulder *said* he doesn't drink, but we know he was lying because we
> >> saw him drinking scotch out of a bottle in "War of the Coprophages" only
> >> ONE WEEK earlier.
>
> > Actually, he said he doesn't... usually. Saying he's lying is
> > stretching it a bit since we haven't really seen him drink a lot.
>
> Does it really matter??
In the grand scheme of things? No. With regards to the
X-files? Yes.
Juliettt
requested this before and have even posted with the "Scully, a smoker"
heading to alt.tv.x-files in an attempt to redirect the thread, but to no
avail.
Please, please, PLEASE -- somebody fix or kill this thread so it doesn't
cross-post anymore, okay? Please?
<sigh>
Arrrrrgh.
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Will you please start watching your crossposts when responding?
QuarterMaster
> Spring Nguyen <lpc...@mci.newscorp.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >As a smoker, and VCR owner, I watched the seen several times to determine
> >whether or not there was smoke- yes there was!!! Of course that doesn't
> >prove anything since Smoking Man (have we forgotten!!!!) has smoke coming
> >out of every crevice in his body, but those are "herbal cigarettes"
> >(don't ask me I have no idea what that means either!). Nonetheless, the
> >tape is inconclusive, but still fun for "smoke interested" XF Fans. We
> >are to that scene as the Lone Gunmen are to the MaGruder film- trust me
> >on this
>
> It could always have been that Mulder was drinking and Scully was
> smoking because of the mystical forces at work in the town. Who knows
> who else it was affecting?
>
>
I'm not absolutly sure but haven't we seen Scully smoke before? I think
she may have started to smoke after
her meeting with the abductees who'd shared her experience. Don't know
about you but if I thought I'd been abducted by aliens or the government
or some wierd little oriental guy, I'd probably start smoking too!
QuarterMaster
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LOABN
>In article <Chris_Turner-0...@cturner.livingbooks.com>,
>Chris_...@LivingBooks.com (Chris Turner) wrote:
>~The point of that episode was that the whole town was going a little wacky
>~because of that star alignment thing. EVERYONE was doing things that were
>~out of character. That was the point. Having Mulder drinking and Scully
>~smoking was MEANT to make you go "Hey, there's something wrong here.
>~That's not right."
>I agree that becuase the drinking and smoking are so noticeably out of
>character that it added the right mood to the episode.
>Loved the episode myself. Thought it was great fun. Should have been
>played at Halloween - trick or treat :-)
>Yee
Which episode was this?
ac5...@mail.atcon.com
Sarah Spring
<Pine.PTX.3.91j.96020...@carson.u.washington.edu>,
risi...@u.washington.edu says...
I'd like to know if the comic x-files we saw three weeks ago is
going to be the norm. I found the sexual tension and subtle jokes really
refreshing. whoever wrote that episode should do a few more. what do
you think?
Mark Nobles
Please just let this thread die.
Mark Nobles
post. This does belongs in neither the binaries nor the creative groups.
Sorry about this.
Mark