Seisdeadh ???
Scarlet
for the final chapters of this little gem to come up?
If they have already been posted, then I didn't get them. So please do
tell me so I can stop chewing at my restraints. ;-)
And no, I'm not going to hassle the author one more time. Been there,
done that.
Patience? Wazzat?
Bye.
Scarlet, a fine one to talk about delayed posting...
Binah
>Is it just me, or is anyone else pacing like a lion in a cage
>waiting for the final chapters of this little gem to come up?
>If they have already been posted, then I didn't get them. So
>please do tell me so I can stop chewing at my restraints. ;-)
>
I started reading Seisdeadh because the author said it wasn't a
WIP, and that she thought it would broken into about 25 parts.
Yay! A novel-length story! I really have enjoyed it so far.
Poor Mulder! Poor Scully! I am hooked.
I've been checking her webpage daily to see when she put up the
chapters after 15. So you are so not alone in this. This story
rocks.
>And no, I'm not going to hassle the author one more time. Been
>there, done that.
>
>Patience? Wazzat?
Hassling authors can be good. They need to be reminded that
they're loved. Hmm, I think it's time for me to email mabtng
regarding her "Last One Standing" story. It's been WAAAY too
long since the last chapter came out!
Binah, usually allergic to WIPs (but makes exceptions)
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2Shy X-01001
>
> "Scarlet" <scarle...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Is it just me, or is anyone else pacing like a lion in a cage
> >waiting for the final chapters of this little gem to come up?
> >If they have already been posted, then I didn't get them. So
> >please do tell me so I can stop chewing at my restraints. ;-)
> >
>
> chapters after 15. So you are so not alone in this. This story
> rocks.
> Binah, usually allergic to WIPs (but makes exceptions)
You think it's been long for you guys? I found "Seisdeadh" last year
before Indi took a little writing break. It has been like that itch
that you just can't scratch, ya know? Thanks for wrapping this up,
Indi. I promise, I'm almost done with mine :-)
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IndigoMus1
<scarle...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>Is it just me, or is anyone else pacing like a lion in a cage waiting
>for the final chapters of this little gem to come up?
>
>If they have already been posted, then I didn't get them. So please do
>tell me so I can stop chewing at my restraints. ;-)
>
>And no, I'm not going to hassle the author one more time. Been there,
>done that.
>
..and your 'hassle' was very much appreciated, as were all
your comments and a reply is shortly coming your way. <g>
I am sorry for the delay with this; it *isn't* a WIP, is all
done and is all soon to be posted.
I had a bit of a problem (caused by the fact I'm an idiot)
in that, as a consequence of a past 'kidnapped' PC
and all the stuff I lost along with it when it went
(long story) I don't keep anything on my hard drive
any more just in case this one goes walkabout too.
Unfortunately, I wasn't bright enough to keep backups
of the disks either, (lesson well learnt now <g>) so when I
cleverly got one locked in my bosses desk (she thinking she
was doing me a huge farvour and preventing it getting lost) just
before she vanished ill for a couple of weeks, I was a bit stuck.
Having now got it back, I've spent the past few days
barely in the house, due to endless trips to visit
my partner at a not-very-local-at-all (especially
when you can't drive) hospital, and honestly I
have so much crap going on with that, that - not
that I want to mess anyone around - getting this
posted isn't top of my list of priorities right now.
The first point in the next couple of days that
I'm in the house and stationary for more than
five minutes, I'll get it all out.
Once again - sorry for the delay. It's not
my intent to mess anyone around. Just at the
moment, it's a little unavoidable.
Apologies too, to the various people who've e-mailed me
about it and not had a reply. This is the first chance
I've had to really check my post in the past few
days, and I will answer everyone as soon as I can.
Indi
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SeasideRN
<scarle...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Is it just me, or is anyone else pacing like a lion in a cage waiting
>for the final chapters of this little gem to come up?
>
>If they have already been posted, then I didn't get them. So please do
>tell me so I can stop chewing at my restraints. ;-)
>
>And no, I'm not going to hassle the author one more time. Been there,
>done that.
>
That's why I don't read stories until ALL chapters are posted. To many
promises made by to many authors ... and though some of the good ones come
through ... most leave us hanging on forever. Because "real life" can often
get in the way for most, I no longer trust the 'this is not a WIP and will post
a chapter a week' or 'hang in there - just a three more chapters and they will
be done by Sunday' ... and a month later .........
There have been many cases that there is such a long time between chapters that
you can be totally lost and need to go back and re-read a chapter or two to
remember what the story is about.
And that does not mean I don't read those guys at all ... it just means that,
as I already said, I wait for the completed work. AND ... most times I really,
really like the finished product .... but I find I like it much more when I can
read it without the frustrations waiting can cause.
Sorry ... didn't mean to ramble on. This has just been a pet peave for me.
But I'm all better now.
Barbara
SIRPAUL10
>promises made by to many authors ... and though some of the good ones come
>through ... most leave us hanging on forever. Because "real life" can often
>get in the way for most, I no longer trust the 'this is not a WIP and will
>post
>a chapter a week' or 'hang in there - just a three more chapters and they
>will
>be done by Sunday' ... and a month later .........
>
>There have been many cases that there is such a long time between chapters
>that
>you can be totally lost and need to go back and re-read a chapter or two to
>remember what the story is about.
>
>Barbara
I agree. I keep a list of of WIP's I plan to read and change it daily as I
print out completed chapters.
I too have been burned too many times. Seisdeadh is a great read I started
months ago. It stopped after Chapter 12..then came back..completly rewritten
and reported as "complete". I'm waiting until I see the final chapter in my
mailbox before I try again.
I know the authors slave away for love not money...but saying that something
will be posted a chapter or two a day and then not doing it is not right.
IndigoMus1
(SeasideRN) writes:
>
>That's why I don't read stories until ALL chapters are posted. To many
>promises made by to many authors ... and though some of the good ones come
>through ... most leave us hanging on forever. Because "real life" can often
>get in the way for most, I no longer trust the 'this is not a WIP and will
>post
>a chapter a week' or 'hang in there - just a three more chapters and they
>will
>be done by Sunday' ... and a month later .........
>
>There have been many cases that there is such a long time between chapters
>that
>you can be totally lost and need to go back and re-read a chapter or two to
>remember what the story is about.
>
>And that does not mean I don't read those guys at all ... it just means that,
>as I already said, I wait for the completed work. AND ... most times I
>really,
>really like the finished product .... but I find I like it much more when I
>can
>read it without the frustrations waiting can cause.
>
>Sorry ... didn't mean to ramble on. This has just been a pet peave for me.
>But I'm all better now.
>
I have replied to Barbara privately with regard to this
and repeat here what I said to her there; that I am
sorry if I'm taking these comments unnecessarily
personally and getting snitty for no reason, but I'm
not in the best emotional state right now (for reasons
far far removed from this, obviously <g>) and am
probably over sensitive about everything and anything
as a consequence.
In the case of the story in the subject line, I will
reiterate - this is *not* a WIP. When I started
reposting it, it was fully written & beta'd. What is
wasn't - and this was a mistake and cock-up on
my part - was edited into post-sized chapters.
What is also wasn't - and this is a consequence of
utter stupidity on my part - was all in my possession.
I'd misplaced - safe but inaccessible - the disk with
the last 1/3 of the story on it.
Now I have it back, real life (as Barbara pointed
out it can do) has intruded in a big way. I currently have
very little time (for resons I touched on replying to Scarlet's
original inquiry) as well as some other stuff going on.
That's not an excuse, it's a fact, and whereas I'm very sorry
some people are waiting impatiently for the rest of the
story, in the overall scheme of things, that really doesn't
rate against the very real crap I'm having to deal with right
now. (And that's not intended to dismiss or devalue
people's interest and comments in any way. They
are all very much appreciated.)
Until last week, I was posting it exactly as and when I
said I would and I fully expected and intended to
carry on like that. Circumstances intruded. As soon
as they can be pushed aside for long enough for me to
sit down and chop it up, it'll be posted. I fully
intend to try and make that happen in the next couple of
days. Until then - I'm sorry for the delay.
Sorry too for the rant. Like I said - over sensitive
right now. I think the people who've asked
specifically know the reason for that, and I hope
they can appreciate it.
Out of my system now too I think <g>.
Apologies again.
Indi
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Morex8
>Until last week, I was posting it exactly as and when I
>said I would and I fully expected and intended to
>carry on like that. Circumstances intruded. As soon
>as they can be pushed aside for long enough for me to
>sit down and chop it up, it'll be posted. I fully
>intend to try and make that happen in the next couple of
>days. Until then - I'm sorry for the delay.
>
>Sorry too for the rant. Like I said - over sensitive
>right now. I think the people who've asked
>specifically know the reason for that, and I hope
>they can appreciate it.
>
>Out of my system now too I think <g>.
>Apologies again.
I'm sorry for any personal problems you might be having. I know that "real
life" is more important than positing a story. But...in the time it takes to
read and post two answers to this ng, as well as reply individually to the
people waiting for your story, you could have parceled out the last few
chapters.
Pardon me, your posting of chapers started slowing down well before 5/28 when
I first wrote to you.
Again, I'm sorry for any problems you might be having...and I've long since
given up on reading your story.
Binah
mor...@aol.com (Morex8) wrote:
>FROM:>Indi
<snip>
>>Sorry too for the rant. Like I said - over sensitive
>>right now. I think the people who've asked
>>specifically know the reason for that, and I hope
>>they can appreciate it.
>>
>>Out of my system now too I think <g>.
>>Apologies again.
>
>
>I'm sorry for any personal problems you might be having. I
>know that "real life" is more important than positing a story.
>But...in the time it takes to read and post two answers to this
>ng, as well as reply individually to the people waiting for
>your story, you could have parceled out the last few chapters.
>
>Pardon me, your posting of chapers started slowing down well
>before 5/28 when I first wrote to you.
Did she say it was NOT a WIP then? I bet not. It's your own
damned fault for getting into a WIP, if you ask me. That's the
risk you take.
>Again, I'm sorry for any problems you might be having...and
>I've long since given up on reading your story.
>
Now that's class. Okay, it's low class, but it's class. :-P
She has a loved one in the hospital and you're giving her shit?
That's seriously low.
Binah, disgusted
Teddi Litman
IndigoMus1 wrote:
>
> In the case of the story in the subject line, I will
> reiterate - this is *not* a WIP. When I started
> reposting it, it was fully written & beta'd. What is
> wasn't - and this was a mistake and cock-up on
> my part - was edited into post-sized chapters.
> What is also wasn't - and this is a consequence of
> utter stupidity on my part - was all in my possession.
> I'd misplaced - safe but inaccessible - the disk with
> the last 1/3 of the story on it.
>
> Now I have it back, real life (as Barbara pointed
> out it can do) has intruded in a big way. I currently have
> very little time (for resons I touched on replying to Scarlet's
> original inquiry) as well as some other stuff going on.
> That's not an excuse, it's a fact, and whereas I'm very sorry
> some people are waiting impatiently for the rest of the
> story, in the overall scheme of things, that really doesn't
> rate against the very real crap I'm having to deal with right
> now. (And that's not intended to dismiss or devalue
> people's interest and comments in any way. They
> are all very much appreciated.)
>
> Until last week, I was posting it exactly as and when I
> said I would and I fully expected and intended to
> carry on like that. Circumstances intruded. As soon
> as they can be pushed aside for long enough for me to
> sit down and chop it up, it'll be posted. I fully
> intend to try and make that happen in the next couple of
> days.
This is *not* intended to upset this writer further; but I think
this beautifully illustrates why people don't want to start
reading a story until all parts are posted regardless
of whether the writer claims the story is finished or not.
It's *not* personal at all. It's not about the writer doing anything
*wrong.* It's just that stuff happens.
Examples:
The story could be finished
in the writer's eyes when she starts posting then as she's
about to post one of her last chapters, she catches a spelling
error so she decides to re-proof it. Re-reading that chapter,
she finds other things she'd like to change; and it becomes
a rewrite. Now, I'm fully in favor of writers rewriting if they
see fit to do it ... even if the fully story has been posted.
However, the fact remains that if the full story hasn't been posted,
the readers have been left hanging.
The story could be finished and perfectly formatted. The writer is satisfied
and wouldn't change a thing. She's just posting a few chapters a day
in honor of certain mailing list rules (which I happen to hate btw).
Then, on her third day of posting, something happens in RL that
keeps her away from the computer for months. Or her cat
erases the last chapters ... or her computer crashes ...
or her computer is stolen! This stuff happens. It isn't the writer's
fault; but the end result is if you have been reading her story,
you have been left hanging.
That is why the *only* way to avoid being left hanging is not to
start reading until you can actually *see* the end of the story
somewhere ... whether it be here, on a mailing list, or on a web site.
If you don't see the end of the story, you are taking a risk ... plain
and simple. Some readers choose not to take the risk, it is nothing
personal towards the writers.
On my own personal note: I do start reading stories not completely
posted and even some WIPs; though not as many as I used to. I never
really and truly blame the writer if I find myself hanging on a really
great unfinished story though I do frequently blame *myself.*
I do try to be careful. There are many reasons though why I
often find myself hanging over a great story. Usually, it's because
I enjoyed the author's previous work too much to resist the
unfinished story. In the case of the one I caught myself in last
night, "A Captive Fox," I just didn't expect the story to be so damned
good. When I read the author's advertisement I thought,"Oh some
naughty fluff, I can go for a bit of that!" Even though I knew it
was an unfinished story, I didn't think it was of much consequence
because I wasn't really expecting the story itself to matter. I was
very pleasantly surprised to be wrong in my assumptions. It
turned out to be a very intriguing, intelligent story! So now
*I'm* the captive one ... damn!<G>
Honestly, it's usually only because the writer is doing something
*right* that the readers are frustrated. :)
Teddi
Scarlet
long since
> given up on reading your story.
ALL RIGHT! Now I really, really feel bad I started this thread in the
first place.
Give the girl a break for Christ Sake!
She said she was sorry. She took the time to apologize. If I was going
through the same things she does at the moment I wouldn't even have
bothered.
And don't serve me that bullshit about how she could have spent the
time apologizing posting chapters. Did it occured to you, that maybe
she wasn't in the mood to deal with the final revisions of a angst
heavy fic?
I should consider myself lucky, it took me a year and a half to
complete a WIP, and I never, ever had to deal with this kind of
insensitive "I've given up on your story." comments. And believe me I
was far from regular in my postings. People teased me about it but it
was never nasty.
Had I received such comments I would probably have stopped posting
alltogether.
As I told her in a private mail We owe Indy everything and she owes
us nothing. Compassion would be a good one to start with.
The Seisdeadh journey is a superb and heartwrenching one and even if
patience is not my major virtue, now that I know I haven't missed any
chapters I'm content to wait.
Now, this said, I have no desire to see this thread degenerate any
further. As far as I'm concerned this conversation is over.
Scarlet, utterly pissed off.
Teddi Litman
Binah wrote:
>
>
> >Again, I'm sorry for any problems you might be having...and
> >I've long since given up on reading your story.
> >
>
> Now that's class. Okay, it's low class, but it's class. :-P
> She has a loved one in the hospital and you're giving her shit?
> That's seriously low.
>
> Binah, disgusted
>
Gotta agree. Fortunately, I think readers who truly have this type
of lousy attitude are not the norm. As I stated in my last post,
I think most readers recognize it's their *own* fault if
they find themselves hanging frustrated on a great story.
Again, if you don't actually see the end of the story posted
somewhere, you're taking a risk.
Badgering the writer is *usually* only meant as encouragement.<G>
The fact that readers are clamoring for more should
be taken as a complement and assurance that the writer
is actually doing something *right* as far as the actual
writing goes.
Teddi
DBKate
posting schedule of their durned FANFIC is beyond silly, and I'm not going to
comment further on that.
Plainly, it speaks for itself.
And as for the author, if she wants a web based copy of the whole story put up,
I'd be very glad to do it for her on my own FTP space. Ship it over to me in a
text or HTML attachment and I'll slap it up today, and annouce an URL if you'd
like, Indi.
But either way, you take care of what you have to take care of, and lots of us
will be waiting patiently for you, no problem.
Kate
dbk...@aol.com
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jerry
"real
> life" is more important than positing a story. But...in the time it takes
to
> read and post two answers to this ng, as well as reply individually to the
> people waiting for your story, you could have parceled out the last few
> chapters.
:::mouth hanging open:::
Are you kidding?
>>Pardon me, your posting of chapers started slowing down
well before 5/28 when I first wrote to you.
>>Again, I'm sorry for any problems you might be having...
and I've long since given up on reading your story.
:::shaking head in utter disbelief:::
I...uh...Indi -- obviously I can't apologize for someone else's behavior...I
just hope you know that there are some of us who understand and support you
and remember that this is only fanfic.
Jerry
Morex8
be posted 2-3 chapters per day. After more than a week of not hearing anything
20+ people I worked with asked me to write her.
She advised she left the story at work. Weeks later she says she can't post
because she has a sick friend. I'm sorry.
I don't believe it.
This adventure has been in the works and rewritten for months. If you don't
have it don't say you do.
I know fanfiction is a gift...but giving half a gift and then saying I left the
rest of it somewhere else is not right. Period.
DBKate
>I would suggest, Morex, that it is time for you to crawl out from in
>front of the computer, go outside, and experience the wonderful world
>of perspective.
See, this is an example of a good writer.
Such a literate way to say "GET A LIFE, YOU NIT!"
<clapping wildly>
Kate
PS: MoreX? Get a life, you nit.
IndigoMus1
Firstly, in reply to your previous post - the time
it took me to write the two posts I'd replied to that
you suggested I could have taken to reply to post
the story instead? They were answered
at two very separate times. I think I probably
spent a little over five minutes answering them, and
five here and there replying to e-mail. If you
have a way to completely reformat 120k of
story, split and post it in five minutes, please share.
Maybe I'm just really slow, but I'd love to know it.
If you think it's more appropriate for me to spend time
doing that, than taking the little I have to send long
overdue responses to some of the poeple who've
taken the time to contact me personally, then
we obvioulsy have pretty different ideas re common
courtesy.
In article <20000607181844...@ng-bg1.aol.com>, mor...@aol.com
(Morex8) writes:
>
>The author stated that the story was complete.
Because it is. It disappeared as a WIP almost a
year ago. What in the world do you imagine would possess
me to jump up and declare it finished after ALL that time if it
wasn't? Nobody but me actually gave a damn at that point.
If anyone remembered it (apart from one person I know
of) then I had no idea as my e-mail address changed in the
interim,so no-one was telling me, even if they were out
there (which I doubt). If I hadn't finished it, it could have
happily remained forgotten. No-one was asking for it. I chose
to finish it.
> She also stated that it would
>be posted 2-3 chapters per day.
Actually, what I said (an exact quote) was
"hopefully 3 - 5 chapters every other day."
That's *hopefully* not definately, and every
other day, not per day.
After more than a week of not hearing
>anything
>20+ people I worked with asked me to write her.
You actually wrote to me on 28th May, and more has
been posted since then, as well as which it certainly hadn't
been a week since the posting prior to the 28th either. In fact,
as I last posted on 30th, the first period of "more than
a week" actually only begins...today.
>
>She advised she left the story at work. Weeks later she says she can't post
>because she has a sick friend. I'm sorry.I don't believe it.
Bitching at me for being ineffecient is one thing.
Calling me a liar is well and truly out of order.
Point 1 - the disk got left at work. Stupid without a doubt, but
fact. One you're more than welcome to verify if it matters
so damn much to you. I'll give you the college phone number.
I'm far from the only one whose stuff she managed to lock
up so there are plenty of people there with their own
bitching to do on the subject. You want to tell me how
stupid I am for leaving it there in the first place, or not
actually having a back-up anywhere - go ahead.
Those comments accepted as fact. But you have neither
right nor justification for accusing me of lying about it.
Again, what the hell would be the point? And if I were
so inclined, believe me, I'd come up with something that
made me look a whole lot less stupid.
Point 2. Weeks later? Actually, 7 days later, and I
haven't for a second claimed I 'can't post because I
have a sick friend'. What I said was that I don't have the
time, or quite frankly, the inclination to do so right now
because a fanfic story is nowhere on my list of priorities
at this moment, and those priorities stretch way past even
him at this point. He also hasn't suddenly materialised in
hospital. He's been there since way before this debacle
began - a fact plenty of other people about here are aware of,
and have been for quite a while.
As Scarlet said (and thank you Scarlet) this isn't getting
posted by me right now because on top of the fact that
I don't have the sort of time it takes slow old me to do all the
formatting/posting malarky, I just haven't got the
emotional wherewithal to pay even the slightest attention
to something with a content that is even remotely
angsty right. I have no intention of explaining that
further and you can interpret that any way you please.
>
>This adventure has been in the works and rewritten for months.
Actually it hasn't. It vanished totally a year ago,
with no promises at all of it ever returning. I only
started working on it again around Feb time, and
mentioned nothing of that to anyone except a few
friends and the people betaing it for me, so where this
implication that I've been playing people along with it comes
from I have no idea.
> If you don't have it don't say you do.
And again, if I don't have it, why the hell would I say I did?
It's not as if I'm getting paid for it or anything. Just what is
it you imagine I'd have gained by that?
>
>I know fanfiction is a gift...but giving half a gift and then saying I left
>the rest of it somewhere else is not right. Period.
And bitching at someone because they can't deliver
it when you'd like it, with no interest in or respect for the
circumstances is sooo *right*, yeah? I personally think
not.
And as this is, as I said, the last time I'm doing this
can I add here to Kate - thank you so much for the
offer of putting that up for me. It's very much
appreciated. However, a couple of people have
already stepped in and said they'll sort it for me. One,
who won't read this and the other being Deirdre
whom I'd like to thank once again.
Thanks to their kindness and willingness to give
the time I just don't have at the moment, this
allegedly unwritten story should be posted
some time tomorrow. Note *should*. I don't want
anyone else whinging at me if it doesn't happen <g>.
Now, as it's gone midnight here and I'm not long back
from the hospital I'm accused of having made up, after
a shitty trip on the nightbus, I'm tired and fed up and
am going to bed.
Apologies to anyone not casting various aspersions my
way and/or getting overly concerned about a story which, in
the overall scheme of things, matters not a jot, for being
subjected to my irritated rant. I'm miserable as all hell
right now, and that leaves me disinclined toward trying
for a happy, smily response. It's not my intention to
be obnoxious, even if it seems that way.
Goodnight one and all.
Indi
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2Shy X-01001
>
> The author stated that the story was complete. She also stated that it would
> be posted 2-3 chapters per day. After more than a week of not hearing anything
> 20+ people I worked with asked me to write her.
>
> I don't believe it.
>
> have it don't say you do.
>
> rest of it somewhere else is not right. Period.
You are really going to have to forgive me for being blunt, but you just
royally pissed me off. First of all, what the hell is your problem? Do
you realize that some people have personal lives that sometimes
interfere with their online ones? We don't all live online, and in fact
do carry on ordinary lives. In addition to all that, you don't even
have all of your facts straight. I saw Indi's response to your bullshit
post, so I'm not going to go into all the details and cause a needless
rehashing of the facts. Once you write a 120K fic and go through all of
the hell that Indi's been through, then you can complain and bitch.
Until then, be happy that she even cared enough in the first place to
write such a wonderful story for our enjoyment.
kazondax
Indi -- why you even bothered to post a response is beyond me.
Morex8 -- patience is a virtue -- cliche but true.
There are times when I cannot believe some of the crap I read on this ng.
And this is supposed to be the civil one. Sheesh.